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| JayDugger | Let me get this straight. PRISM makes the news, and there's a group worried about wearable cameras? | 00:44 |
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| JayDugger | What a batch of sheltered and ignorant fools. | 00:45 |
| JayDugger | Let me scold my child about playing with matches while I smoke in bed. | 00:45 |
| dre | Noting that wearable cameras have potential to compromise privacy doesn't mean that PRISM is any less of a big deal | 00:52 |
| JayDugger | Correct. | 00:57 |
| JayDugger | One poses a greater risk than the other. | 00:57 |
| JayDugger | Just as smoking in bed poses a greater risk than a child playing with matches. | 00:57 |
| dre | PRISM sets the stage for everything, is what you're saying? | 00:58 |
| JayDugger | No. I'm saying PRISM poses a greater threat to privacy than Google Glass or other wearable cameras. | 00:58 |
| dre | I agree with you. | 00:59 |
| JayDugger | Opposing the latter without opposing the former (an assumption) marks the "stopthecyborgs" as a group organizing against an inferior threat. | 00:59 |
| JayDugger | A sinking ship needs working bilge pumps more than a working propeller. | 01:00 |
| JayDugger | We might talk past each other on this point. | 01:01 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's the new grad student's fault. | 01:01 |
| JayDugger | No. More likely a knee-jerk response on my part. | 01:02 |
| dre | My initial point was that PRISM sets the stage for Google Glass being a live feed of your life to the government, but that we should also point out, to the group worrying about wearable cameras, that we are just concerned about privacy in this realm as they are. | 01:03 |
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| nmz787_ | paperbot: link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FB00665671 | 01:53 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/la401074y | 03:01 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a80c6f4e0b5c600b46f8a30fffebae6f.pdf | 03:02 |
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| fenn | as much as i hate the name "stopthecyborgs" they do have a lot of valid points | 03:45 |
| fenn | i didn't realize the PRISM thing was news; EFF has been raging about "lawful intercept" for years | 03:50 |
| superkuh | Maybe the press needed it explained in powerpoint to understand. | 03:51 |
| superkuh | Or maybe they're scared now that their own have been targeted by the justice department. | 03:52 |
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| fenn | "Folks, it’s right there in the name. BOUNDLESS INFORMANT is a narrowly tailored program with no risk of spiraling out of control." | 05:29 |
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| ThomasEgi | i think i get a slight reading on my irony decetor.. | 05:46 |
| ThomasEgi | might be background noise tho. | 05:46 |
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| JayDugger | Nahh...PRISM's in the news slightly ahead of the Sino-American summit so as to demonstrate FedGov's on the job when Chinese espionage successes make the news. Everybody wins. | 07:34 |
| JayDugger | Including all the defense contractors now specializing in "cybersecurity." | 07:34 |
| JayDugger | That mostly likely makes me sound like a loyal member of the tinfoil hat brigade. :) | 07:34 |
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| JayDugger | But BOUNDLESS INFORMANT uses FOSS, so that makes it alright. (I will now show mercy to this dead horse.) | 07:45 |
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| kanzure | i am trying to find a better argument against "nothing to hide" | 09:29 |
| kanzure | so far the only half-good argument i've seen this week is "People that say they have nothing to hide from the government are making the mistake of assuming they know what the government is looking for." | 09:29 |
| kanzure | but iirc there are even better arguments than that | 09:29 |
| yashgaroth | if the government arbitrarily criminalizes something, or acts illegally in some way, you're gonna wish the NSA wasn't doing domestic surveillance | 09:39 |
| abetusk | I think it's more about information asymmetry. I also think it's also more of an empirical observation. People, as a general rule, use the power they're given. If you give a government, or any other organization, the power to spy on it's citizens/users, they'll tend to use it. | 09:39 |
| abetusk | though that doesn't really address your point head on... | 09:40 |
| yashgaroth | and I believe the founding fathers specifically mention the internet in the 4th amendment, will have to check | 09:40 |
| JayDugger | If I've nothing to hide, then it's none of your business. | 09:44 |
| JayDugger | If the government has nothing to hide, why keep it secret? | 09:44 |
| JayDugger | Oh, that's right: secrecy defends fragile status. That's why cargo plane air crews work inside classified access buildings. | 09:45 |
| JayDugger | Sorry. Dead horse flogging. | 09:45 |
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| kanzure | that's not a good argument because it assumes privacy is only for secrets | 09:45 |
| JayDugger | Fair enough. You didn't ask about government secrecy. I shouldn't combine the two. | 09:55 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://precedings.nature.com/documents/6037/version/1 | 09:55 |
| kanzure | .title | 09:55 |
| yoleaux | Measuring impact in online resources with the CInumber (the CitedIn Number for online impact) : Nature Precedings | 09:55 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Measuring%20impact%20in%20online%20resources%20with%20the%20CInumber%20%28the%20CitedIn%20Number%20for%20online%20impact%29.pdf | 09:55 |
| archels` | kanzure: ftp://ftp.turingbirds.com/misc/freedom_nothing_to_hide.pdf | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | "When the government engages in surveillance, many people believe that there is no threat to privacy unless the government uncovers unlawful activity, in which case a person has no legitimate justification to claim that it remain private." blah blah blah innocent until proven guilty as decided by a group of peers, existence of accusation does not make claims true, etc. | 10:03 |
| gradstudentbot | That's the control group, right? | 10:04 |
| kanzure | his "taxonomy of privacy" is missing something like "exclusion" (which is present) but the type that is used for timing attacks (e.g., by the nature of being somewhere, you are simultaneously not everywhere/anywhere else, and therefore this gives off a small number of bits of information) | 10:05 |
| kanzure | well, i guess that could be what he means by exclusion. | 10:06 |
| kanzure | also his "taxonomy of privacy" doesn't include the most common problems like "people making really bad decisions based on this information or lack of this information" | 10:07 |
| wizrobe | have you guys been ranting about privacy concerns since last night? | 10:13 |
| kanzure | also, i thought it was well known that privacy was a general requirement for the practical operation of any generic society interested in maintaining individual freedoms in contrast to the usual systemic government-encroachment. | 10:14 |
| wizrobe | when I posted the thing about google glass? | 10:14 |
| kanzure | wizrobe: no | 10:14 |
| kanzure | wizrobe: this is unrelated | 10:14 |
| wizrobe | ok | 10:14 |
| kanzure | s/encroachment/infringement | 10:14 |
| kanzure | "Information collection is a form of surveillance, or 'dataveillance'." ugh | 10:17 |
| kanzure | archels`: that article is a little disappointing. his final paragraphs about a power imbalance are important and seem to be the only legitimate argument that he could propose, but he squanders the opportunity. | 10:26 |
| kanzure | *seems | 10:26 |
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| kanzure | i guess this is as close as i'm going to get this week: "Commentators often attempt to refute the nothing-to-hide argument by pointing to things people want to hide. But the problem with the nothing-to-hide argument is the underlying assumption that privacy is about hiding bad things. By accepting this assumption, we concede far too much ground and invite an unproductive discussion about information that people would very likely want to hide. ... | 10:51 |
| kanzure | ... As the computer-security specialist Schneier aptly notes, the nothing-to-hide argument stems from a faulty "premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong." Surveillance, for example, can inhibit such lawful activities as free speech, free association, and other First Amendment rights essential for democracy." | 10:51 |
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| heath | http://bluelight.ru/ | 11:30 |
| kanzure | .title | 11:30 |
| yoleaux | Bluelight - The Front Page | 11:30 |
| heath | diy drugs? | 11:30 |
| kanzure | "*** The wiki is currently undergoing database restructure. All user accounts are suspended until further notice ***" | 11:31 |
| heath | example thread: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/364333-Euphoria-from-(particular)-benzos-mechanism(s) | 11:31 |
| kanzure | "Bluelight (www.bluelight.ru) is an international message board that educates the public about responsible drug use (with a focus on MDMA)" | 11:32 |
| kanzure | doesn't sound particularly original? | 11:32 |
| heath | was mentioned in one of the videos from the quantum biology workshop @google a few years ago | 11:32 |
| heath | +it | 11:33 |
| kanzure | oh brother | 11:33 |
| heath | you favorited one of those vids on youtube, sir :) | 11:34 |
| kanzure | i regret everything | 11:34 |
| kanzure | *deny | 11:34 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.edge.org/conversation/think-about-nature | 12:01 |
| yoleaux | THINK ABOUT NATURE | Edge.org | 12:01 |
| kanzure | blah stupid title. it should say "lee smolin says more things" | 12:01 |
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| kanzure | i was reading the comments here (apparently people hate lkcl, their loss) http://technogems.blogspot.com/2012/05/pyjamas-hijacked.html | 15:37 |
| kanzure | and saw cathal garvey popping up. | 15:37 |
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| kanzure | ugh http://lkcl.net/webkit/cross-compile-gtk.notes.txt | 16:11 |
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| kanzure | http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebBrowserProgramming | 18:11 |
| kanzure | i wasn't aware of this one: "python-wxWebKit is beginning to provide Python access to DOM model manipulation - via python bindings that are auto-generated using SWIG. The goal of the project is to provide full access to the entire DOM model, and this goal is, as of May 2011, approximately 25% completed." | 18:11 |
| kanzure | i wonder if the MSHTML/COM stuff works under wine.. "PyWin32 comtypes can be used (with care!) to create an MSHTML IWebBrowser2 ActiveX window and thus provide access to the full DOM features of the MSHTML (Trident) engine. PyjamasDesktop uses this technique to create the mshtml.py port. Note that creation and use of XMLHttpRequest is also shown in PyjamasDesktop's mshtml.py." | 18:11 |
| kanzure | huh, i didn't know about this one | 18:19 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/chromiumembedded/ | 18:19 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/cefpython/ | 18:19 |
| kanzure | api looks really unpython though.. http://code.google.com/p/cefpython/source/browse/cefpython/cef1/windows/binaries/cefadvanced.py#287 | 18:20 |
| kanzure | "def OnConsoleMessage".. yeah. | 18:20 |
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| kanzure | eww self.browser.GetMainFrame().ExecuteJavascript(jsCode) | 18:21 |
| kanzure | oh, at least they don't call it | 18:21 |
| kanzure | reading https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16401 | 18:32 |
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| kanzure | heath: why not ybit? | 18:41 |
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| kanzure | huh. webki1 is in "maintenance mode". that would have been worthing knowing sooner. webkit2 is now the right library to be using. | 19:40 |
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| kanzure | also reading https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33590 | 20:10 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, | 20:28 |
| delinquentme | http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bit.24856/abstract | 20:28 |
| delinquentme | paperbot, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bit.24856/abstract | 20:29 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/794ba68d3f0fceba837b9ea221851933.txt | 20:29 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, | 20:29 |
| delinquentme | paperbot, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bit.24856/full | 20:29 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/83261adbba9ce74e8e887e93954aafdb.txt | 20:29 |
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| abetusk | did you guys ever make any more progress on your laser cutter? | 21:39 |
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| kanzure | "sequence kiddies". eh, script kiddies sounds more demeaning. | 21:50 |
| Adifex | hahaha. | 21:53 |
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| delinquentme | yeaaap | 23:24 |
| delinquentme | im ready to be more than human | 23:25 |
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