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| juri_ | T minus less than a week until i'm running plastic through a liquid cooled polycarbonate printing .45mm hot end. | 01:13 |
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| kanzure | "Python threads cannot be used for CPU heavy loads because they all run on a single core.[0][1]" | 11:57 |
| kanzure | "[0]: CPython threads are kernel threads but effectively act like user threads. All threads run within a single VM and thus restricted to a single core." | 11:57 |
| kanzure | "[1]: Jython does not have the same limitation." | 11:57 |
| kanzure | i guess that's just like jruby | 11:57 |
| brownies | kanzure: cRuby actually has more hilarious limitations | 12:00 |
| brownies | specifically it uses a *global* lock | 12:00 |
| ThomasEgi | the infamous GIL in python. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | the problem with jython is that the latest version is jython2.7 | 12:01 |
| kanzure | and there's nothing for python 3.x | 12:01 |
| brownies | are people actually using python 3 though? | 12:03 |
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| kanzure | yes | 12:08 |
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| brownies | amazing | 12:09 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130619091319.htm | 12:51 |
| brownies | .title | 12:53 |
| yoleaux | New research backs genetic 'switches' in human evolution | 12:53 |
| jrayhawk | Summary: transcription factor binding sites are three times as mutable as protein-coding genes | 12:55 |
| brownies | wild | 13:05 |
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| jrayhawk | in humans, that is | 14:56 |
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| nmz787_ | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016816990100179X | 16:19 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3bb91dd25db172ec9a27c4a9b9a686d1.txt | 16:19 |
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| kanzure | jonathan___: hi | 17:12 |
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| jonathan___ | question of the week | 18:40 |
| jonathan___ | how many thousands of dollars will I lose because of bernanke | 18:40 |
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| klafka | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806146824/melon-a-headband-and-mobile-app-to-measure-your-fo thoughts ? | 19:00 |
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| klafka | this brings up an interesting idea for google glass | 19:01 |
| klafka | integrate eeg into it | 19:01 |
| yashgaroth | can normal EEGs with 2 dozen electrodes detect 'focus'? | 19:02 |
| klafka | how is focus defined? | 19:03 |
| yashgaroth | well, exactly | 19:03 |
| klafka | i like the idea of using eeg for something like google glass / eyetap | 19:04 |
| klafka | of course that makesit even creepier to people | 19:05 |
| yashgaroth | for that matter, can PET or MRI even be like 'this guy is hella focused right now' | 19:05 |
| klafka | (some people) | 19:05 |
| yashgaroth | hell you're already wearing glass, anyone who can handle that can deal with your focus-halo | 19:05 |
| yashgaroth | I'd think that the 3 electrodes it comes with would be lucky to tell if you're alive but I'm not a neuro person | 19:06 |
| klafka | i don't mean eeg for focus | 19:06 |
| klafka | eeg as an interface | 19:06 |
| klafka | yeah that was my belief too | 19:06 |
| kanzure | eeg is just extremely disappointing | 19:06 |
| klafka | kanzure: can't it do binary sort of shit? | 19:07 |
| yashgaroth | if it prevents people from doing that chin-up motion then I'm sure they'll buy it | 19:07 |
| kanzure | 3 electrodes have been used in other devices to track input, but again i've always been disappointed in them :( | 19:07 |
| klafka | aah | 19:07 |
| kanzure | emotiv epoc has 5-7 sensors i think | 19:07 |
| klafka | kanzure idk i feel like you could at least get binary or quaternary | 19:08 |
| kanzure | have you ever used it? | 19:08 |
| kanzure | also why wouldn't you just use emotiv, neurosky, openeeg, or any of the others. why this kickstarter.com project? | 19:09 |
| klafka | no idea | 19:09 |
| klafka | idk | 19:09 |
| klafka | cheaper | 19:09 |
| kanzure | actually, i'm relatively impressed with their limited scope they are marketing on that page | 19:09 |
| klafka | this headband is 100 bucks | 19:09 |
| kanzure | most of these fucking products are marketed as life-changing bci | 19:10 |
| kanzure | but they claim only focus, (but what they really mean is a specific type of "wave" that they track with signal processing, it's not actually "focus") | 19:10 |
| kanzure | "where Melon can monitor brainwave activity from the prefrontal cortex" oh boy "brainwaves" :( | 19:11 |
| klafka | BRAIN WAAAVES | 19:13 |
| gradstudentbot | I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself. | 19:15 |
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| kanzure | i wonder why i didn't know that golang had garbage collection | 19:29 |
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| brownies | golang has it all! | 20:18 |
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| brownies | except for pleasant syntax | 20:18 |
| crw | goodness. | 20:18 |
| brownies | that part is just right out. | 20:18 |
| kanzure | crw: hello | 20:20 |
| crw | howdy | 20:20 |
| crw | here via exi-chat, been catching up on many years subscribed but unread | 20:42 |
| kanzure | ah good | 20:48 |
| kanzure | well, exi-chat just gets progressively worse | 20:48 |
| kanzure | have fun! | 20:49 |
| crw | been about 10 years since the last time i really followed it. was nice to see some familiar names still around. | 20:51 |
| kanzure | you might be interested in http://diyhpl.us/cgit and http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 20:53 |
| crw | was pleased to see you'd posted something about what vinay gupta's up to, that was about 4 years ago | 20:53 |
| crw | shame it didn't get any good conversation going | 20:54 |
| kanzure | i haven't heard anything from vinay in a while now | 20:54 |
| crw | he's prolific on twitter lately. good stuff. | 20:54 |
| crw | did an amazing talk last winter | 20:54 |
| crw | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BORHRKg-VoI | 20:54 |
| kanzure | .title | 20:54 |
| yoleaux | Vinay Gupta at Meaning 2012: "Plausible utopias" - YouTube | 20:54 |
| crw | good stuff | 21:00 |
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| heath | this sucks | 22:02 |
| heath | i chose express and angular because that's what everyone is looking for in mobile developers, but really all i really want is mobile | 22:02 |
| heath | is meteor* | 22:02 |
| brownies | i am not sure those words go together like that. | 22:04 |
| brownies | people want express and angular for mobile developers? | 22:04 |
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| heath | for web development | 22:09 |
| heath | some people just say "fuck mobile apps" and just use mobile first css frameworks | 22:09 |
| heath | so it makes sense | 22:09 |
| heath | why aren't bio hackerspaces using IRC, grr | 22:10 |
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| strangewarp | heath: most people don't understand how to use IRC right, from a social perspective. the pattern of "webchat client joins a channel, asks a question, waits 40 seconds, leaves" is still going strong. also a bunch of people who used AIMchats when they were shitty teens and assume IRC is the same sort of thing. | 22:16 |
| crw | think the subtext is that denizens of hackerspaces (bio or otherwise) should know enough to make good use of such a tool. you're describing "regular folks" | 22:19 |
| strangewarp | also there is a bloc of people who think IRC is a primitive and inferior version of Twitter, because so many people use Twitter the same way a shitty person would use IRC | 22:19 |
| kanzure | no, the denizens of bio-spaces are not irc folks in general | 22:19 |
| kanzure | they are very much from a different culture that hates computing | 22:19 |
| kanzure | and computers and internet | 22:19 |
| kanzure | (biologists tend to hate computernets) | 22:19 |
| crw | odd | 22:20 |
| yashgaroth | hate, fear, whatever | 22:20 |
| kanzure | crw: why is it odd? | 22:20 |
| crw | why would they hate something with so much potential to help them in their work? | 22:21 |
| strangewarp | cognitive inertia | 22:22 |
| heath | "biology has become an information science", i hear this so often | 22:24 |
| heath | related words to follow at some point when i can word them nicely | 22:24 |
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| heath | guess i'm just frustrated tonight and need to just deal with it | 22:25 |
| crw | the field of bioinformatics would seem to indicate there's at least some culture within biology that embraces such stuff. | 22:25 |
| gradstudentbot | If I break my arm, do I still have to present tomorrow? | 22:26 |
| yashgaroth | a tiny, tiny fraction | 22:26 |
| * heath listens to the remastered ocarina of time ost to calm down for a bit :) | 22:26 | |
| strangewarp | it's like those stupid advertisements you see: "10 Weird Tricks a Mom Discovered" - most people just get through life by memorizing weird tricks. So of course they're going to compartmentalize their opinions. | 22:29 |
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