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| jonathan__ | it's the JOURNALISTS who are as much at fault as anyone in the igem/biobrick lameness | 00:01 |
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| jonathan__ | they fail to do any objective and investigative reporting to discover that biobricks DO NOT WORK and instead publish stories and articles about how 15 year olds are "solving cancer" or whatever. | 00:02 |
| jonathan__ | which is why I told the journalist who came to austin and wanted to talk to me to basically go talk to the real star of bio, i.e. the PI of the lab, not a bunch of punks | 00:03 |
| jonathan__ | guess what... she DIDNT.. | 00:03 |
| jonathan__ | most of diybio is hype and marketing and that is not a bad thing | 00:04 |
| jonathan__ | the world needs more open discussion about GMO and zombie creating viruses to come to terms with biotech before anyone freaks out and everything is really made illegal to do. That is the real purpose of diybio and the real purpose of iGEM, it's called Public Outreach and it is doing a great job and Drew Endy deserves a lot of congratulations on that point, for sticking his neck way out there and taking the risk with flaky tech | 00:05 |
| jonathan__ | to put the public and the bio institution into a different mode of operation. | 00:05 |
| jonathan__ | case in point, he gets a lot of flack for this non-working technology, there's even some web site about how he's never done anything meaningful in bio at all or whatever. Not all tech has to work to be a game changer. | 00:06 |
| jonathan__ | biobricks has been part of what has changed the game. | 00:07 |
| jonathan__ | 'game' meaning in this sense, the meme in the bio institutions. | 00:07 |
| jonathan__ | correciton, not changed yet, but slowly changing and making the change more rapid, i.e. innovating. | 00:08 |
| jonathan__ | No Thanks to the journalists. | 00:08 |
| jonathan__ | the true valid complaint is how, due to the "false prestige", the stuff surrounding synbio and biobricks has been able to whittle $$$ funding $$$ away from perhaps more valid (and possibly legitimate / successful) bio projects. That is the real contention. But that's only a big problem because NIH funding of bio is so ridiculously small. Compared to, say, some dumb Nth robot sent to mars to look for new types of rocks or | 00:11 |
| jonathan__ | billions spent on the Nth particle accellerator to smash yet another set of particles in search of absolutely Nothing Useful meanwhile cancer still has no solution today. | 00:11 |
| jonathan__ | if there's any complaints about biobricks or etc it should be blamed on NIH and funding problems of biotech esp. emerging tech, not about how such-and-such floundering tech is lame or doesn't work... well.. throw some money at it, attract smarter people, then slowly people will get it working. Until biologists learn not to want to pipette all day "because they enjoy it", there won't be much innovation. | 00:12 |
| jonathan__ | end rant. | 00:12 |
| jonathan__ | now you can go on about your business lol | 00:13 |
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| nmz787_ | yashgaroth and since he's not here kanzure please mention this: do you think it's easily in reach to transform the cells that end up becoming/extruding fingernails and/or hair? GFP nails/hair would be the proof of concept, but there are plenty of compounds that are worth $ in milligram quantities. Caffeinated finger nails somehow... | 01:42 |
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| archels | RIP Douglas Engelbart | 02:58 |
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| heath | http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110810/full/news.2011.472.html | 03:03 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Cell%20therapy%20fights%20leukaemia.pdf | 03:03 |
| heath | http://americablog.com/2013/06/hiv-being-used-to-cure-cancer-leukemia.html | 03:03 |
| heath | news article two years later of this therapy in trial ^ | 03:03 |
| heath | so if i order pathogens, i'm a terrorist? | 03:04 |
| heath | solution: partner with a nearby lab | 03:06 |
| heath | http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/root/vumc.php?site=cfar over here | 03:07 |
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| heath | synthetic genomics started Agradis | 03:18 |
| heath | Agradis was acquired by Monsanto in January of this year | 03:18 |
| heath | random fact of the wee hours ^ | 03:18 |
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| jonathan___ | max | 08:13 |
| jonathan___ | max | 08:13 |
| jonathan___ | max | 08:13 |
| jonathan___ | "PLOS Hubs: Clinical Trials. PLOS will shortly be retiring this publication. " | 08:14 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: backlog | 08:39 |
| yashgaroth | rummaging through 'em | 08:40 |
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| yashgaroth | another one of my co-workers left for synthetic genomics yesterday | 08:40 |
| chris_99 | anyone cryogenically frozen yeast per chance? i'm just wondering what the YEPD is for | 08:41 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: hard to say no to $600 million | 08:41 |
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| yashgaroth | she's doing QA for their dna synthesis I guess, though she has no idea about it | 08:42 |
| @kanzure | haha | 08:42 |
| yashgaroth | she's pretty good at QA though I guess | 08:42 |
| yashgaroth | chris_99 YEPD is to keep the cells fed | 08:43 |
| chris_99 | why do they need feeding if they're @ -80C though? | 08:43 |
| yashgaroth | it's for while they're being frozen, and while they're thawing afterward | 08:43 |
| chris_99 | aha gotcha | 08:43 |
| chris_99 | one other thing, vortexing, does just mean centrifuging right? | 08:44 |
| yashgaroth | oh hell no | 08:44 |
| yashgaroth | vortexers are more like vibrators | 08:45 |
| chris_99 | oh! | 08:45 |
| yashgaroth | it's for resuspending pellets and general mixing | 08:46 |
| chris_99 | would an orbital shaker be a 'vortexer' | 08:46 |
| jonathan___ | hm, does that mean a vibrator can be substituted for a vortexer | 08:46 |
| chris_99 | lol | 08:46 |
| jonathan___ | that's an interesting diy twist for the journalists | 08:46 |
| yashgaroth | vortexers are a hundred times faster than orbital shakers | 08:46 |
| jonathan___ | "nobel prize laureate used adult vibrator in garage experiments to do his early work" | 08:47 |
| chris_99 | haha | 08:47 |
| jonathan___ | mr. max I got an email from joe that "all the equip" including the PC's "needed to be moved around" | 08:48 |
| yashgaroth | well at least he's warning us this time | 08:48 |
| jonathan___ | so I'm assuming reorganizing stuff will be on the list of busy work | 08:48 |
| yashgaroth | to be fair there are a bunch of benches now to put stuff on | 08:49 |
| jonathan___ | it wasn't really advanced warning it was a reply to my email saying "dont move those PCs" | 08:49 |
| yashgaroth | oh haha | 08:49 |
| jonathan___ | so, whatever, I told him just do whatever he needs to do.... | 08:49 |
| jonathan___ | dont let me get in the way of progress.... so to speak | 08:50 |
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| jonathan___ | "Using a bridge rectifier($0.30) one can basically use AC mains voltage to | 08:53 |
| jonathan___ | run your gel electrophoresis. You can buy all the components for under $5. | 08:53 |
| jonathan___ | I tested it out and it works great." ---> Freakin dude wants to kill himself | 08:53 |
| yashgaroth | why what would that do | 08:54 |
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| yashgaroth | oh it just straight up converts ac to dc? | 08:54 |
| chris_99 | yup | 08:55 |
| jonathan___ | oh but don't worry bryan is sure that diybio isn't full of script kiddies | 08:56 |
| jonathan___ | that idea is basically like telling an electrical engineer: "I love visual basic look at my kiddie script" with the added bonus of fatality | 08:57 |
| @kanzure | i never said they weren't script kiddies | 08:57 |
| yashgaroth | nmz787_ I'd imagine transforming nail-forming cells would be difficult since they're not really soft tissue, hair perhaps easier, but it depends how you define 'within reach' | 09:00 |
| yashgaroth | also guessing it's inspired by that article about gfp-producing silkworms | 09:00 |
| yashgaroth | and also please clarify caffeinated fingernails | 09:01 |
| @kanzure | you would probably have better chance coming up with a nail paint that had caffeine in it | 09:01 |
| yashgaroth | some of the women at work were discussing a magnetic fingernail paint where you apply it and then hold a magnet under your finger and it makes 'cool patterns' | 09:02 |
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| yashgaroth | I don't think caffeine would really diffuse across a fingernail though | 09:02 |
| chris_99 | sort of like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field_viewing_film yashgaroth? | 09:03 |
| yashgaroth | probably, and then I believe it cures in the shape | 09:03 |
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| jonathan___ | That type of post is what the FAQ is supposed to squash | 09:07 |
| jonathan___ | raise the level of discourse, yo. | 09:07 |
| jonathan___ | every newbie in the world apparently thinks they can go off and register a domain do-synbio-at-home.com and post cheesy script kiddie stuff to it's blog. | 09:08 |
| jonathan___ | "Make sure all the components are covered before you plug it in to prevent spectacular shorts and electrocution. I used duct tape because I am cheap and simple." ---> OH yea that'll really work too, not. | 09:15 |
| yashgaroth | not even electrical tape? | 09:16 |
| jonathan___ | duct tape is sometimes conductive! | 09:17 |
| jonathan___ | certainly not rated for 120V | 09:17 |
| jonathan___ | and certainly does not do well in a wet lab | 09:17 |
| jonathan___ | geez | 09:17 |
| jonathan___ | I am smacking my forehead right now | 09:17 |
| jonathan___ | "a Graduate Student in Biochemistry and Biophysics at the University of Chicago " ---> Should know better! | 09:17 |
| jonathan___ | at least do a literature search, there's plenty of warnings about what not to do. or even a google search. well whatever... | 09:18 |
| jonathan___ | I guess I should just write up my circuit and publish it anywhere and everywhere so these simple mistakes are squashed for good or something. | 09:19 |
| jonathan___ | but that assumes people will actually do 10 minutes of homework first. | 09:20 |
| @kanzure | jonathan___: btw i'd be willing to pay you to do things like that. probably. | 09:33 |
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| jonathan___ | I'll do it for $50/hour. | 09:37 |
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| @kanzure | jonathan___: sold | 09:40 |
| @kanzure | jonathan___: i wont ask for writeups of project proposals, but i will ask for guestimates and project descriptions | 09:41 |
| jonathan___ | cash only | 09:43 |
| @kanzure | meh okay | 09:43 |
| jonathan___ | net 15 days payment | 09:44 |
| @kanzure | fair. but let's skip to the interesting stuff. | 09:44 |
| jonathan___ | ok deal | 09:45 |
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| @kanzure | haha it's not really a deal yet because (1) no signatures and (2) scope | 09:46 |
| jonathan___ | scope doesn't matter you agreed to hourly rate with no max cap, lol I win ;-D | 09:49 |
| jonathan___ | signature is a legal formality if you plan on contract dispute which is a lame waste of time anyway. | 09:51 |
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| jonathan___ | what this room needs is a pair of grant writers | 09:53 |
| @kanzure | pair? | 09:53 |
| @kanzure | why n=2? | 09:53 |
| jonathan___ | yea so they can disagree then come to a conclusion | 09:53 |
| jonathan___ | amazingly there was a grant writer who showed up to the carlsbad lab meet | 09:53 |
| jonathan___ | what a great resource | 09:53 |
| @kanzure | what do grant writers look like? pocket protector nerds? | 09:54 |
| jonathan___ | unfortunately a resource never used | 09:54 |
| jonathan___ | the grant writers Ive known have been female | 09:54 |
| jonathan___ | office lady type | 09:54 |
| @kanzure | why is the stereotype that gradstudentbots write the grants themselves with their PIs? | 09:54 |
| @kanzure | wait.. | 09:54 |
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| xl0 | Guys, why are you in h+, and not in diybio? | 09:55 |
| jonathan___ | Ummm I think the grad students wrote proposals | 09:55 |
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| @kanzure | xl0: because the topics are very similar, and this happens to be more active of a channel | 09:55 |
| jonathan___ | the proposals go to the grant writer who then polishes and frames it and picks where it can be sent. | 09:55 |
| @kanzure | jonathan___: do universities have staff grant writers? or is this only contracting/defense agency corps? | 09:56 |
| brownies | gradstudentbot: what do you think about that? | 09:56 |
| gradstudentbot | I haven't written the abstract. | 09:56 |
| jonathan___ | well diybio channel is for talking about bizarre fetishes with flies and shrimp and stuff | 09:56 |
| jonathan___ | Ummm are we clocking this time or is it off the clock. lol | 09:57 |
| jonathan___ | so I dated this one hottie grant writer at UCLA once | 09:57 |
| xl0 | I mean, I don't see the pop-sci link cross-post spam, let's implant an arduino and freeze ourselfs to wake up in the future crap that I'm used to associate with transhumanists. | 09:57 |
| xl0 | This is basically #diybio, just the name is wrong. | 09:57 |
| jonathan___ | clarification we dated not just once but only one time was it someone at UCLA | 09:57 |
| @kanzure | there is nothing about pop-sci in here | 09:58 |
| @kanzure | pop-sci is explicitly banned | 09:58 |
| @kanzure | arduinos are popular but they actually work, so i don't think that's a fair connection | 09:58 |
| jonathan___ | diybio is for discussing script kiddie technology | 09:58 |
| @kanzure | i mean, you can make much better choices than an arduino | 09:58 |
| @kanzure | jonathan___: the diybio channel is empty and always has been. so people just go here instead. | 09:59 |
| jonathan___ | we don't need to freeze ourselves to see the future beause we are creating it now | 09:59 |
| xl0 | I'm more concerned with people implanting stuff in their hands for the sake of it. ;) | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | xl0: sure, we hate those fuckers too | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | just because it's a magnet doesn't mean it's a good idea | 09:59 |
| jonathan___ | anyways I'm pretty sure every major institution Univ or biz will have one/more grant writers | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | jonathan___: so, i'm curious why i didn't abuse the staff grant writers while i was at university | 10:00 |
| @kanzure | jonathan___: maybe they were hidden | 10:00 |
| jonathan___ | well because you overlooked it | 10:00 |
| @kanzure | "Hello, is this the office of making me big bucks?" | 10:00 |
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| jonathan___ | lets see, a dedicated resource whose sole job is to seek, find, win money from other people | 10:00 |
| xl0 | Btw, how do I add a new group to the diybio map? Editing the google map does not seem to work. | 10:01 |
| jonathan___ | ut austin also had a whole team of people for patent licensing | 10:01 |
| @kanzure | xl0: you add it to http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups | 10:01 |
| @kanzure | xl0: their map is incomplete. this list seems to be more comprehensive. | 10:01 |
| jonathan___ | it's great to be smart in technology but what techies often forget is that there's a whole lot of stuff going on just purely based on paper | 10:02 |
| xl0 | Yeah, but the other one is the one people see first. | 10:02 |
| xl0 | I mean, http://diybio.org/local/ | 10:02 |
| @kanzure | there used to be a screenshot floating around about how to edit that map | 10:02 |
| jonathan___ | I mean, wars (all types including technology marketplace competition) is really won with paper in many cases | 10:02 |
| @kanzure | imo it was too complicated. it involved clicking like 20 buttons. | 10:02 |
| @kanzure | all i want to do is just edit a file and make it work. | 10:03 |
| xl0 | Seen it, tried twice. Maybe did somethig wrong. | 10:04 |
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| @kanzure | xl0: you can file an angry email complaint to diybio@googlegroups.com | 10:06 |
| xl0 | Nah, I'll just ask nicely. | 10:06 |
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| jonathan___ | bryan maybe you should get a grant writer girlfriend too | 10:06 |
| jonathan___ | then you can get the inside scoop | 10:07 |
| @kanzure | yeah let's just search okcupid for grant writer | 10:07 |
| jonathan___ | the old social engineering gambit | 10:07 |
| @kanzure | in fact.. now i'm curious. | 10:07 |
| jonathan___ | nah that's too hard | 10:07 |
| jonathan___ | just find the places where the grant writers are and chat them up | 10:08 |
| jonathan___ | i guess if you want to be cold about it you could post hiring ads for grant writers and use the interview as a 1 hour consulting session | 10:09 |
| jonathan___ | that kind of prevents you from getting it on though. | 10:10 |
| @kanzure | nah, there's the whole forbidden boss ting | 10:10 |
| @kanzure | *thing | 10:10 |
| @kanzure | i wonder if the grant writing market is saturated in terms of employees | 10:10 |
| @kanzure | i.e. are they cheap? | 10:10 |
| jonathan___ | compared to.... | 10:11 |
| @kanzure | i guess i should go lookup salary expectations for grant writers | 10:11 |
| jonathan___ | typical office worker wages | 10:11 |
| @kanzure | http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/grant-writer-salary-SRCH_KO0,12.htm | 10:12 |
| @kanzure | 33k-50k hahah | 10:12 |
| @kanzure | great | 10:12 |
| jonathan___ | we're talking sociology majors and english majors here | 10:12 |
| jonathan___ | not science majors | 10:12 |
| @kanzure | science majors are also paid p. low, btw | 10:12 |
| @kanzure | but anyway, the idea is to get someone who has actually successfully got grant money, not fresh out of english major | 10:13 |
| jonathan___ | I bet there are some big spikes for grant writers because it often depends on social network not work quality | 10:13 |
| jonathan___ | I would look at it a different way | 10:13 |
| jonathan___ | SEO the grant process, thats what I've always wanted to look at | 10:13 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=1f5d873f xl0: diybio-kiev | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | seems hard to do analytics on grant writing because they are just pdfs and .doc files | 10:14 |
| jonathan___ | but it is seemingly difficult to get the grant proposals which "won" vs lost | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | although... if it's .doc, we could do a phone-home feature | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | depending on how locked down their ms word setup is | 10:14 |
| jonathan___ | just manually analyze 100 of them | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | we don't have 100 | 10:14 |
| jonathan___ | need the DATA first | 10:14 |
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| jonathan___ | 100 which won and 100 which lost | 10:15 |
| jonathan___ | no english major is going to ever do that type of analysis except their "intuition" which is mistaken at best | 10:15 |
| @kanzure | i think defense corps probably do that sort of analysis | 10:15 |
| jonathan___ | i.e. the grant writers themselves will not know which ones will be successful or how to optimize the problem. | 10:15 |
| jonathan___ | maybe, but that's a different ype of grant. I mean NIH or whatever | 10:16 |
| jonathan___ | heck even gates foundation. that would be great to look at. | 10:16 |
| @kanzure | NIH grants are worthless, NIH is just losing money and funding constantly. | 10:16 |
| jonathan___ | that could be an instant nyt best seller: how to win grants from xyz foundation | 10:16 |
| @kanzure | didn't their budget just get caught in half? | 10:16 |
| @kanzure | nyt best sellers are really easy to get, that's not a hard goal -_- | 10:16 |
| jonathan___ | who cares, the grants still won... somehow | 10:16 |
| gradstudentbot | We were out of the right dye, so I just used an equivalent. | 10:17 |
| jonathan___ | there's plenty of myths about what makes a good grant vs unacceptable grant. | 10:17 |
| @kanzure | is that so? | 10:17 |
| jonathan___ | I doubt any of these myths have been validated against data | 10:17 |
| @kanzure | which myths? | 10:17 |
| jonathan___ | google it | 10:17 |
| jonathan___ | there is tons on this topic | 10:18 |
| jonathan___ | all those english majors like to write articles about how to write their articles becuase at least they get paid for pretending to know what they're doing. | 10:18 |
| jonathan___ | geez one of the dudes at the carlsbad lab was suggesting that grants nowadays need to include marketing-hype-photos of the lab with "action shots of postdocs working" | 10:19 |
| jonathan___ | they even did a freakin *photo shoot* at the lab and mocked up a bunch of "work" | 10:20 |
| @kanzure | he did a photo shoot at carlsbad? | 10:20 |
| @kanzure | are you sure he didn't say "marketing campaign" and not "grant"? | 10:20 |
| jonathan___ | yes it is unbelievable, that is "how science happens" | 10:20 |
| jonathan___ | I am talking about a real, honest to goodness, grant application for real technology | 10:21 |
| jonathan___ | grey area between marketing campaign and grant.. | 10:21 |
| jonathan___ | this was a guy with a real startup co. and real startup team. | 10:21 |
| @kanzure | grants just seem like a losing game because there's only, what, $5B in available grant money, and >500k people writing grants? | 10:21 |
| jonathan___ | well... why do PI's hate each other? lol | 10:22 |
| @kanzure | seems hyper-competitive | 10:22 |
| @kanzure | not worth the trouble, etc. | 10:22 |
| @kanzure | gotta pick the right battles | 10:22 |
| jonathan___ | dude isn't it BBQ time in austin? | 10:22 |
| jonathan___ | don't you have some dead animal flesh to burn? | 10:22 |
| @kanzure | i had my bbq delivered to me. the american way. while i watch superhero movies. | 10:22 |
| jonathan___ | gates foundation is a good deal to get if it can be landed. | 10:23 |
| jonathan___ | 1st round is fat, 2nd round is gravy | 10:23 |
| @kanzure | btw from my peers i hear that it's pretty easy to get grants foundation money. | 10:23 |
| @kanzure | 1-2 pages of text => $100k in grant money => year later get 500k-2M. | 10:23 |
| jonathan___ | ha, mine did not fly, but thats cause I didn't know how to write a proposal at all | 10:23 |
| @kanzure | uh | 10:23 |
| @kanzure | *gates foundation | 10:23 |
| jonathan___ | you know it's like anything else. even the font you pick will separate the clueless from the clued-in | 10:24 |
| jonathan___ | obviously basic things like horrible grammar would be a red flag, right. "dont give this guy any money at all" same with other things like how the 2 graphs are presented or whatever | 10:25 |
| jonathan___ | even in 2 pages it is easy to mess it up | 10:25 |
| jonathan___ | SEO is easy, right. grants are the same thing just gotta know the rules. | 10:26 |
| jonathan___ | also separate the fake rules from the real rules. | 10:26 |
| jonathan___ | Ok I gotta get my veggies ready for the BBQ | 10:28 |
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| brownies | have you guys actually applied for grants? | 10:44 |
| brownies | because it's more like 20 pages + spreadsheets, not 2 pages of bullshit | 10:44 |
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| jonathan___ | read up on the gates foundation, you are incorrect | 10:49 |
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| jonathan___ | Guys I have a great plan! let's implant an arduino and freeze ourselfs to wake up in the future! | 11:04 |
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| jonathan___ | "The teenage scientist revolutionising cancer detection" http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130701-perfecting-early-cancer-detection "Pancreatic cancer 's high death rate is partly blamed on the difficulty of early detection. Teenage scientist Jack Andraka has come up with a cheap and simple way to test for it. " | 11:08 |
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| @kanzure | maybe we should ban news links | 11:09 |
| jonathan___ | "the existing test is based on elisa .... overall it is a really crappy test. " LOL | 11:11 |
| jonathan___ | well the dude should be celebrated | 11:11 |
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| jonathan___ | obviously fought hard to get any work done and ta da, eventually gained Real Lab Access | 11:12 |
| jonathan___ | rather than complaining about not being able to get this or that or yadda yadda | 11:13 |
| @kanzure | "real lab access" is not hard to achieve. this is like celebrating an undergrad for being exploited to wash dishes. | 11:13 |
| jonathan___ | he'd probably look at diybio and say "well damn those guys are a bunch of crappy script kiddies, get me out of here" lol | 11:13 |
| jonathan___ | who cares, he got his access to do what he wants | 11:14 |
| jonathan___ | I'd only worry about the univ. claiming IP rights to his work | 11:14 |
| jonathan___ | that's the real danger | 11:14 |
| jonathan___ | "it's just a complete divergence from the current ideas" OMG he's the poster child for disruption lol | 11:15 |
| jonathan___ | I just wish there were lasers in his project. he's got the nanotubes already. oh yea and he needs to mention string theory. :-D | 11:17 |
| @kanzure | why does he need to mention string theory? | 11:18 |
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| jonathan___ | Bring on the medical revolution : Jack Andraka at TEDxNijmegen 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7_cDU7Idk | 11:38 |
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| heath | [12:00:32] <kanzure> "Hello, is this the office of making me big bucks?" | 12:02 |
| heath | :) | 12:02 |
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| heath | [12:01:07] <xl0> Btw, how do I add a new group to the diybio map? Editing the google map does not seem to work. | 12:02 |
| heath | jason bobe will do it for you | 12:02 |
| heath | just send him a link of your group | 12:03 |
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| heath | s/of/to | 12:05 |
| heath | s/link/uri | 12:05 |
| xl0 | Ok, thanks. | 12:07 |
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| jonathan___ | "Race, Ethnicity, and NIH Research Awards" "We investigated the association between a U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) R01 applicant’s self-identified race or ethnicity and the probability of receiving an award by using data from the NIH IMPAC II grant database, the Thomson Reuters Web of Science, and other sources. Although proposals with strong priority scores were equally likely to be funded regardless of race, | 12:52 |
| jonathan___ | find that Asians are 4 percentage points and black or African-American applicants are 13 percentage points less likely to receive NIH investigator-initiated research funding compared with whites. " | 12:52 |
| jonathan___ | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6045/1015/F1.large.jpg | 12:53 |
| jonathan___ | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6045/1015/F2.large.jpg | 12:53 |
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| jonathan___ | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333/6045/1015/F3.large.jpg "Effects of affiliation and previous research on R01 award probability. 1 to 30 and 31 to 100 NIH-funded institutions were derived by ranking institutions by NIH funding received FY 2000 to FY 2006." | 12:55 |
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| delinquentme | <3 | 13:34 |
| delinquentme | Anyone in here familiar with scientific applications for C++ in code? | 13:34 |
| @kanzure | that sounds incredibly vague | 13:36 |
| @kanzure | "for C++ in code" ? | 13:37 |
| ParahSail1n | lol | 13:45 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: play nice | 13:45 |
| ParahSail1n | there is no scientific application for c++ | 13:46 |
| ParahSail1n | science applications are all in fortran | 13:46 |
| chris_99 | haha | 13:47 |
| ParahSail1n | c++ has a global interpreter lock making it useful for numerical computation | 13:47 |
| chris_99 | what?! | 13:47 |
| ParahSail1n | read the manpage | 13:47 |
| chris_99 | c++ isn't interpreted | 13:48 |
| ParahSail1n | useless not useful | 13:48 |
| @kanzure | chris_99: ParahSail1n is trolling | 13:48 |
| chris_99 | i gathered | 13:48 |
| ParahSail1n | right, c++ is compiled, but the standard runtime library has a GIL | 13:49 |
| chris_99 | sure | 13:49 |
| ParahSail1n | as it is written in fortran, but the limitations of the class system results in certain restrictions in behavior such as the GIL | 13:50 |
| chris_99 | does anyone use lua jit per chance? | 13:50 |
| chris_99 | GILs aren't a laughing matter ParahSai1in :P | 13:51 |
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| ParahSail1n | seems the default settings of common windows pdf viewers do not by default execute arbitrary http get requests in the embedded js | 13:52 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: right, that used to be a vulnerability and they have plugged those holes | 13:53 |
| @kanzure | i expect the open source pdf viewers never implemented javascript to that extent | 13:53 |
| @kanzure | for instance, do any of the pdf viewers even use v8 for javascript? | 13:53 |
| @kanzure | what the hell javascript engine is it? | 13:53 |
| ParahSail1n | the other pdf viewers all use pdf.js to run embedded js | 13:54 |
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| @kanzure | pdf.js is mozilla's pdf viewer, which runs in a browser. | 13:55 |
| gradstudentbot | Nobody is even going to read this paper. | 13:55 |
| @kanzure | that's not what i was asking :( | 13:55 |
| ParahSail1n | right, the interpreter is turtles all the way down like pypy | 13:57 |
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| chris_99 | Google's MapReduce stuff is C++ delinquentme, that could be used for some pretty scientificy stuff | 14:14 |
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| jonathan___ | paperbot http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/20002015732.html;jsessionid=25AF8353B84EEC8F433995BA41E590E6 | 15:42 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ca53351db64a6a6c67478f665e69e875.txt | 15:42 |
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| jonathan___ | paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac60085a720?journalCode=ancham | 15:50 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ARTHUR%20H.%20THOMAS%20COMPANY.txt | 15:50 |
| jonathan___ | poooooor paperbot | 15:50 |
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| jonathan___ | paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6329022 | 16:04 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ecc51d4c287f60c5facbe4210422b62f.txt | 16:04 |
| jonathan___ | dab nabbit | 16:04 |
| jonathan___ | paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0003269784903634 | 16:05 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/An%20economic%20power%20supply%20using%20a%20diode%20for%20agarose%20and%20polyacrylamide%20gel%20electrophoresis%20.txt | 16:05 |
| jonathan___ | paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0003269784903634 | 16:05 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/An%20economic%20power%20supply%20using%20a%20diode%20for%20agarose%20and%20polyacrylamide%20gel%20electrophoresis%20.txt | 16:05 |
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| @kanzure | someone should make paperbot use sci-hub by default | 18:05 |
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| ParaSa1lin | paperbot, http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00203/papers/1176005/11760386.pdf | 19:26 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8a3b99087469cb09af4a269a5c7e6ba1.txt | 19:26 |
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| ParaSa1lin | sci-hub blocking open proxies | 19:30 |
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| kanzure_ | ParaSa1lin: hrm. i wonder why. | 19:32 |
| kanzure_ | ParaSa1lin: if i have to make sci-hub myself then i'm gonna be pretty annoyed | 19:32 |
| ParaSa1lin | might check if its not some problem localized to me | 19:34 |
| ParaSa1lin | it says "ip banned. contact support@sci-hub.org for more information | 19:35 |
| ParaSa1lin | ваш IP адрес заблокирован. электронная почта для связи support@sci-hub.org" on all the proxies i tried just now | 19:35 |
| ParaSa1lin | either clever boris is a) trying to send americans a message that they can no longer freeload off of russia's sensible copyright regime or b) boycotting america over the nsa | 19:39 |
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| kanzure_ | ParaSa1lin: mention my name to them when you email them, they seem to like me for whatever dumb reason | 19:48 |
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| cpopell | What's new, guys? | 20:22 |
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| heath | the glowing tree project... where's the research behind that? | 21:58 |
| kanzure_ | it's like you almost ignore what we say in here | 21:59 |
| heath | grr mr. kanzure_ | 21:59 |
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| kanzure_ | you should look at the logs about that | 21:59 |
| heath | not seeing a paper linked for any of the logs pertaining to the glowing plant project | 22:03 |
| kanzure_ | it was from a failed igem project | 22:03 |
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| heath | there it is: 2013-05-09.log | 22:06 |
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| jonathan___ | "A US man has devoured 69 hot dogs, beating his own world record at an annual 4 July competition at Coney Island in New York." -- sample this man's intestinal flora stat! | 22:18 |
| kanzure_ | we'll have to do a poop extraction | 22:18 |
| yashgaroth | I think his flora have been replaced by hot dogs | 22:18 |
| jonathan___ | I assume they all gag themselves later | 22:19 |
| jonathan___ | well carlsbad lab is very fond of performing fecal transplants so maybe it will happen here | 22:20 |
| jonathan___ | maybe that is TMI | 22:20 |
| jonathan___ | erase erase | 22:20 |
| yashgaroth | the infamous saturday night meetings | 22:21 |
| jonathan___ | this is a link to the genomic data of my microbiome, for real | 22:24 |
| jonathan___ | http://warehouse.personalgenomes.org/warehouse/154110ce62620ba073d18cdd382c5b49+82+K@ant/Mariposa_results.zip | 22:24 |
| jonathan___ | I think that link is the working one. | 22:25 |
| jonathan___ | inside the zip file is index.html | 22:27 |
| gradstudentbot | So what's a credit score? | 22:27 |
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| kanzure_ | gradstudentbot: it's like writing a paper | 22:28 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, I read the paper, I just don't remember the details. | 22:28 |
| kanzure_ | gradstudentbot: not that paper | 22:28 |
| gradstudentbot | The paper got rejected. | 22:28 |
| kanzure_ | gradstudentbot: you sure? | 22:28 |
| gradstudentbot | The lab meeting was cancelled. | 22:28 |
| jonathan___ | these little buggers like me. k__Bacteria; p__Firmicutes; c__Clostridia; o__Coriobacteriales | 22:30 |
| jonathan___ | ummm.. ahem.. many lives were lost to bring you this data. | 22:37 |
| jonathan___ | ( ... crickets ... ) | 22:37 |
| ParaSa1lin | what is that? | 22:55 |
| ParaSa1lin | is that just microarray stuff? | 22:58 |
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