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* heath waves goedemorgen | 05:23 | |
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@heath | hello yorick | 05:52 |
yorick | hello | 05:55 |
@heath | neat | 05:56 |
@heath | http://wg.oftn.org/ | 05:56 |
* heath didn't know what the oftn stood for in your cloak | 05:57 | |
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@heath | nanorex's website is gone | 06:46 |
@heath | github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer has broken links in its readme | 06:46 |
@kanzure | i haven't deployed the backup yet | 06:52 |
@kanzure | nmz787: yes i'm awake | 06:52 |
yorick | heath: hah it's a joke; ohm*fahrad to none :) | 07:29 |
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anannie | http://jayporter.com/dispatches/observations-from-a-tipless-restaurant-part-2-money-and-the-law/ <--- I wonder if automation could change this | 09:26 |
@kanzure | .title http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-releases-swartz-report-0730.html | 09:41 |
yoleaux | MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case - MIT News Office | 09:41 |
@kanzure | http://swartz-report.mit.edu/ | 09:41 |
@kanzure | http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-swartz-report-faq-0730.html | 09:42 |
@kanzure | .title http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-swartz-report-faq-0730.html | 09:42 |
yoleaux | FAQ on report to President Reif regarding MIT and Aaron Swartz - MIT News Office | 09:42 |
@kanzure | "Prior to January 2011, any computer connected to MIT’s open wireless network could access JSTOR. As a direct result of the Oct. 9, 2010, downloading incident, MIT developed an authorization system to more narrowly restrict access to certain electronic databases. Under this system, implemented on Jan. 10, 2011, only MIT faculty, students, or staff — not guests — can freely access JSTOR. Guests seeking access to JSTOR must now use ... | 09:44 |
@kanzure | ... certain workstations located in MIT’s libraries. " | 09:45 |
@kanzure | http://swartz-report.mit.edu/docs/report-to-the-president.pdf | 09:45 |
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@kanzure | ha ha http://tarensk.tumblr.com/post/56881327662/mit-report-is-a-whitewash-my-statement-in-response | 09:47 |
ParahSailin | wow fuck mit | 09:49 |
@kanzure | "However, the report says that MIT’s neutrality stance did not consider factors including “that the defendant was an accomplished and well-known contributor to Internet technology”; that the law under which he was charged “is a poorly drafted and questionable criminal law as applied to modern computing”; and that “the United States was pursuing an overtly aggressive prosecution.” While MIT’s position “may have been ... | 09:49 |
@kanzure | ... prudent,” the report says, “it did not duly take into account the wider background” of policy issues “in which MIT people have traditionally been passionate leaders.”" | 09:49 |
@kanzure | i think that is called empathy | 09:50 |
@kanzure | the most annoying thing about this report is that it assumes aaronsw was guilty | 10:00 |
@kanzure | "he was arrested, therefore he must be guilty!" | 10:00 |
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@kanzure | https://github.com/qdot/jiggly.js | 11:34 |
klafka | that is quite a common problem kanzure | 11:42 |
klafka | hence why even having an arrest record | 11:42 |
ParahSailin | for running js stuff in shell, is there something smaller than node.js? | 11:44 |
nmz787 | anannie: that article started out interesting, but ended with not much of a show... does this mean I should stop tipping (which is what my heart wants to do) and hope it forces businesses to change their management? | 11:54 |
@kanzure | ParahSailin: spidermonkey, v8, javascriptcore, seedjs | 11:55 |
@kanzure | there's also one called rhino something.. i forget. | 11:55 |
gradstudentbot | I hope they kick me out. | 11:58 |
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nmz787 | kanzure so i'm starting a list of potential lab equipment needed for a synthesis research and dev project | 12:03 |
@kanzure | nmz787: put it on diyhpluswiki.git ? | 12:06 |
nmz787 | hplc ok | 12:06 |
nmz787 | ok | 12:06 |
nmz787 | hplc, uv vis spec, optical filters and fiber optic cable | 12:06 |
@kanzure | for manual synthesis, there's whatever is listed in here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Syringe%20method%20for%20stepwise%20chemical%20synthesis%20of%20oligonucleotides.pdf | 12:07 |
nmz787 | 4-10 syringe pumps | 12:07 |
nmz787 | 3-way pneumatic valves | 12:07 |
@kanzure | i have no idea who edited that document. it has some handwritten corrections. | 12:07 |
nmz787 | gaseous nitrogen tank with regulator(s) | 12:08 |
nmz787 | oscilloscope | 12:08 |
@kanzure | i know nothing about keeping the system pressurized with whatever gas. | 12:08 |
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anannie | nmz787: I meant more from the margins point of view... A robot based restaurant would be more profitable and cheaper | 12:09 |
@kanzure | "Thin layer chromatography was carried out with Whatman K5f silica and MKC18 plates. HPLC was performed with a Perkin Elmer series 2 Liquid Chromatograph equipped with a Whatman Partisil PX10/25 ODS-2 column or PXS 10/25 SAX column." | 12:09 |
@kanzure | anannie: lumnos labs was incubating a company that was building a hamburger machine restaurant | 12:09 |
@kanzure | "The total time required for each cycle is about 13 min." geeze. | 12:10 |
nmz787 | anannie: I emailed the author asking for 'what to do' 'do i stop tipping and hope darwinian evolution breeds tipless restaurants' | 12:10 |
anannie | kanzure: Yes, I've read about it | 12:10 |
nmz787 | kanzure: yes diffusion sucks | 12:10 |
@kanzure | 12:13 <@qDot_> I'm supposed to be implementing joystick haptics for the firefox joystick API. | 12:14 |
@kanzure | the dildo/vibrator guy is responsible for javascript/joystick things? geeze. department of irony is in full force at mozilla. | 12:14 |
nmz787 | "I'm going to address this in the final installment of the series. But the spoiler: I think tipping should be made, and will be made, illegal. I think this will happen fairly soon. Like, within 20 or 30 years." | 12:24 |
nmz787 | anannie ^ from the article writer | 12:25 |
@kanzure | nmz787: btw have you ever read merrifield's nobel prize acceptance speech about dna synthesis? | 12:25 |
anannie | nmz787: That didn't interest me as much as the 4% profit margin stuff | 12:26 |
@kanzure | http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1984/merrifield-lecture.pdf | 12:26 |
nmz787 | kanzure: yes, I remember we tried finding audio of that | 12:26 |
nmz787 | or something | 12:26 |
@kanzure | oh yeah. i remember we failed. | 12:26 |
@kanzure | wtf? why aren't those available. | 12:27 |
nmz787 | guess I need to reread this | 12:27 |
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@kanzure | nmz787: feel free to dump random lists, BOMs, notes, whatever into the wiki, just make a folder or something | 12:31 |
nmz787 | ok, trying to make a worst case BOM essentially | 12:32 |
nmz787 | or rather, best case with safety margins | 12:32 |
nmz787 | cheapest case with safety | 12:32 |
@kanzure | i think you posted a list of the chemical BOM to the wiki somewhere already | 12:32 |
nmz787 | yea i have that in gdrive at least | 12:33 |
nmz787 | gonna ask the eugene lab to help with idea development and equipment procurement | 12:33 |
@kanzure | hmm it's not on http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/ | 12:33 |
nmz787 | since I don't know how to properly ask you for money or motivation | 12:34 |
@kanzure | once we figure out a rough bom for a macro synthesizer, we'll price out the parts and then i'll cut you a check probably | 12:34 |
nmz787 | supposedly the one guy down there developed a bunch of the safe dyes and some life tech devices | 12:34 |
@kanzure | the sybrsafe stuff was 1 guy? | 12:35 |
nmz787 | so i imagine they might know some stuff | 12:35 |
nmz787 | he made it sounds like it | 12:35 |
nmz787 | but i dont think that could be true | 12:35 |
nmz787 | rather, i think he was the tester on cells and with fluorescense | 12:35 |
nmz787 | not the chemist | 12:35 |
nmz787 | dunno how wide the team pyramid could be though | 12:36 |
nmz787 | i guess theres a cutoff somewhere before your pyramid includes the whole company structure | 12:36 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac303153a?journalCode=ancham | 12:37 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1021/ac303153a.pdf | 12:37 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a | 12:38 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1021/ac303153a.pdf | 12:38 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a/suppl_file/ac303153a_si_002.pdf | 12:39 |
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paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1bd2eb0f722ac5d52a9403c857c1a1e5.pdf | 12:39 |
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nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a/suppl_file/ac303153a_si_001.avi | 12:40 |
@kanzure | hmm that one might take paperbot a while | 12:42 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/804add8a6a5c2dc27a4d61288af64753.txt | 12:43 |
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nmz787 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00321648 | 12:44 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF00321648.pdf | 12:44 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/chem.201300655/abstract | 12:45 |
nmz787 | heh, MPEG is a chemistry acronym to me now too | 12:45 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1002%2Fchem.201300655 | 12:46 |
nmz787 | monomethoxy polyethylene glycol | 12:46 |
nmz787 | huh, paperbot failed, though pdx has it | 12:46 |
nmz787 | this paper is actually looking quite interesting | 12:47 |
nmz787 | 'Liquid-Phase RNA Synthesis by Using Alkyl-Chain-Soluble Support' | 12:47 |
nmz787 | nice and it has supplementary info | 12:48 |
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nmz787 | "The liquid-phase method, in which a soluble polymer supports the chemical synthesis of simple organic molecules, as well as of large biopolymers, has seen in these last years an explosion of successful applications (1). It is worth recalling that the replacement of insoluble crosslinked resins, such as those employed in the Merrifieldlike solid-phase procedures, can solve the problems of converting solution-based reaction protocols for their use und | 12:52 |
nmz787 | paperbot: link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02787908 | 12:55 |
ParahSailin | anyone have a morbid curiosity to see some really bad resumes for mechanical engineers? | 13:03 |
ParahSailin | this one guy buy a big fucking microscope image as the background | 13:04 |
ParahSailin | put | 13:04 |
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nmz787 | ParahSailin: hit me | 13:17 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02787908 | 13:18 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF02787908.pdf | 13:18 |
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@kanzure | ParahSailin: sure i'll take some. email em over. | 14:07 |
@kanzure | nmz787: the rewrite of paperbot is going to be much better at fetching supplementary materials. by default all supplementary materials will be downloaded. | 14:07 |
cpopell_ | ParahSailin: Sure. | 14:09 |
ParahSailin | warning, lots of them are doc files, lol | 14:09 |
gradstudentbot | Can I defend with just one aim done? | 14:11 |
@kanzure | niice. doc file resumes. | 14:13 |
nmz787 | my username at gmail | 14:14 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac400163u?journalCode=ancham | 14:14 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/ac400163u.pdf | 14:14 |
@kanzure | i often wonder how many people still accept resumes as .doc forma | 14:14 |
@kanzure | ~format | 14:14 |
nmz787 | i hate when companies want .doc | 14:14 |
@kanzure | and, if you inject javascript into it, what percentage of companies still execute untrusted javascript? | 14:14 |
nmz787 | heh | 14:14 |
nmz787 | something I haven't thought | 14:14 |
gradstudentbot | The real reason I wanted to join this lab was because I love to clean glassware. | 14:15 |
@kanzure | because you can use phone-home things to give you analytics/data about the open rate and whatever | 14:15 |
@kanzure | lots of holes have been plugged in the last decade on that front | 14:15 |
nmz787 | huh, I can get the supplement to that without being logged in | 14:16 |
@kanzure | but lots of people will just click 'yes, run this program' | 14:16 |
nmz787 | but not the main article | 14:16 |
@kanzure | which publisher? | 14:16 |
@kanzure | acs? | 14:16 |
nmz787 | yea | 14:16 |
gradstudentbot | You know they keep the mice in better conditions than us. | 14:16 |
anannie | Okay I have a question, is it okay to replicate some robot that I've seen as a beginning project? | 14:17 |
anannie | Is it okay to replicate projects at all? | 14:17 |
nmz787 | wait a sec, paperbot stripped out the page nums | 14:17 |
@kanzure | nmz787: file a bug report against https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues and be specific | 14:18 |
nmz787 | anannie: replication of results is a foundation of scientific experimentation | 14:18 |
ParahSailin | kanzure: yeah, like 90% of them are doc files | 14:18 |
@kanzure | anannie: it depends on what you want to do with the replicant. are you going to sell it? are you going to advertise loudly that it is your design? then that's mostly a bad idea. | 14:18 |
ParahSailin | thankfully gmail has preview for doc | 14:18 |
anannie | nmz787: Yes, but I feel ashamed... I like being originl | 14:18 |
anannie | kanzure: Just to learn from it | 14:18 |
@kanzure | anannie: if the robot's licensing says it's open source or free software or creative commons, then go to town and don't give a shit 0~just be in compliance1~ | 14:19 |
gradstudentbot | Should I still be wearing gloves? | 14:19 |
anannie | http://youtu.be/tuqeaIT8X8I | 14:19 |
anannie | It's a pretty standard design | 14:19 |
anannie | (for a walking robot) | 14:19 |
@kanzure | anannie: yeah, you're fine. just don't claim it is your own design, and don't start a business around it. also, you can potentially ask the original designer for advice about making your own. | 14:20 |
@kanzure | anannie: also, if you are concerned about licensing it out as an open source project for other people to work on, then these issues shift slightly.. | 14:20 |
nmz787 | kanzure: done | 14:20 |
anannie | kanzure: That's one of the most common designs out there when it comes to hexapods | 14:20 |
anannie | kanzure: I'm not worried about any of that | 14:20 |
anannie | kanzure: I just want to build a robot to satisfy my weekly quota :) | 14:21 |
ParahSailin | anannie: you're in india ffs, ip isnt an issue | 14:21 |
@kanzure | nmz787: thanks for the bug report. i will fix it soon. | 14:21 |
@kanzure | ParahSailin: oh yeah, i forgot about that. india wont care that much. | 14:21 |
anannie | ParahSailin: I won't be for long. | 14:21 |
nmz787 | anannie: my ex roommate made this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDsKEexQtwI | 14:21 |
ParahSailin | where you going? | 14:22 |
gradstudentbot | Should I be doing this in the fume hood? | 14:22 |
anannie | Canada | 14:22 |
anannie | then SV | 14:22 |
@kanzure | nmz787: also, please post notes/links/whatever into diyhpluswiki.git.. | 14:22 |
nmz787 | here ir is walking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83LnRTKE1qw | 14:22 |
anannie | nmz787: That's impressive how long did it take for him to get the control algo right? | 14:23 |
nmz787 | maybe a month or so | 14:23 |
nmz787 | i believe he used reverse kinematics | 14:23 |
anannie | What did he use? | 14:23 |
anannie | you mean inverse kinematics? | 14:23 |
nmz787 | yes | 14:23 |
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gradstudentbot | So, I'll let you have my reagents when I'm done with my project. | 14:24 |
nmz787 | he simulated it in something as well first | 14:24 |
anannie | That's a bit beyond me at the moment as I'm lacking in the essential fundamentals | 14:24 |
@kanzure | didn't fenn write a lot of inverse kinematics software | 14:24 |
nmz787 | but he's a savant-type genius boy, sort of | 14:24 |
@kanzure | i feel like that's something he did.. | 14:24 |
anannie | (linear algebra and so on) | 14:24 |
nmz787 | i believe it was running controlled via MATLAB | 14:24 |
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@fenn | is it just me or did yoleaux stop working for all but the simplest wolfram queries? | 14:33 |
@fenn | it gives up on things that wolframalpha.com does alright on | 14:33 |
@fenn | .wa protein per gram salmon | 14:34 |
yoleaux | fenn: Sorry, no result! | 14:34 |
@fenn | that ought to work | 14:34 |
@fenn | or at least do something | 14:35 |
ParahSailin | that might have been too powerful of an api for them to expose | 14:35 |
@fenn | it seems like this sort of query used to work | 14:36 |
ParahSailin | well they probably intentionally limited it | 14:37 |
@fenn | is there an open source NLP database/math thingy? | 14:37 |
@fenn | i dont even know what you call this... | 14:38 |
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klafka | NLP database for? | 14:39 |
klafka | there is google's n-gram dataset | 14:40 |
klafka | that's pretty huge | 14:40 |
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klafka | there are a couple of fairly large n-gram datasets | 14:40 |
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@fenn | hplus, a transhumanist anal ointment cream company <- hilarious, i wonder if that's what gradstudentbot is researching | 14:47 |
gradstudentbot | I don't have enough data to form a hypothesis. | 14:47 |
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eudoxia | cures post-{kurzweil/silva/yudkowsky/prisco}-hate-session anal frustration | 14:49 |
nmz787 | heh, one of those resumes lists football as an employment | 14:51 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jo901931z | 14:52 |
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paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5b45d6cc5d53f6f01e05b87b10d085cd.pdf | 14:52 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1081/NCN-120039215#.Ufg34Y1OSSp | 15:02 |
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gradstudentbot | I haven't seen my PI in like a week. | 15:02 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10553642 | 15:03 |
@kanzure | azco sells both microarray-based and column-based synthesizers. hrm. | 15:04 |
@kanzure | http://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/NewSynthesizers.php | 15:04 |
@kanzure | "The Dr. Oliogo XC is custom made, fully automated system designed for high throughput synthesis in either column or plate format" | 15:04 |
@kanzure | i wonder how that works. it just reconfigures to do the other format? | 15:05 |
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@kanzure | http://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/droligo.php | 15:05 |
@kanzure | haha $95k | 15:05 |
@kanzure | i mean $100k | 15:05 |
@kanzure | pfft "Controlled via Dr. Oligo Software that includes full audit tracking, protocol optimization, pause ahead capabilities and easy operation of the system." | 15:05 |
nmz787 | cambrian uses one of those | 15:06 |
nmz787 | it was either the oligo array, or a dr oligo | 15:06 |
nmz787 | i remember the blue color of it though | 15:07 |
@kanzure | i don't understand how it's microarray "or" columnar | 15:07 |
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@kanzure | what's the point of building both into one unit? | 15:07 |
@kanzure | the oligomaker is the one that does 192 columns in a circle shape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBbjfEj1lCc | 15:08 |
@kanzure | around 40s they show how the unit rotates over the columns | 15:09 |
@kanzure | szostak lecture on non-enzymatic dna synthesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfq5-i8xoIU | 15:10 |
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nmz787 | that's copying not synthesis | 15:12 |
@kanzure | copying is still important for other reasons | 15:12 |
nmz787 | well, not de novo | 15:12 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/17/6959.full.pdf+html | 15:15 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Fnar%2F17.17.6959 | 15:15 |
@kanzure | "New XC Versio- allows synthesis, cleave and deprotection all on the same instrument" | 15:16 |
@fenn | nmz787: so can you download the paper from the link paperbot just gave? | 15:16 |
@kanzure | that just doesn't make sense to me. how are you making oligos *without* deprotection? | 15:16 |
@kanzure | "Recommended gas: argon, nitrogen, air" | 15:17 |
nmz787 | fenn: no | 15:17 |
@kanzure | "Number of liquid reagents: 6 standard, expandable to 8" | 15:17 |
@kanzure | "Synthesis scale: 10nMole to 2uMole" | 15:17 |
nmz787 | deprotection is the last step | 15:17 |
@fenn | "Single-stranded RNA can be shipped in its 2' protected form to improve stability." maybe at the end of the reaction you can leave it in the protected form or not, whoopee | 15:17 |
nmz787 | not a cycle step | 15:17 |
nmz787 | they call the cycle step activation | 15:17 |
@kanzure | oh, i see. | 15:18 |
@fenn | is it just semantics about where the cycle ends? | 15:18 |
@kanzure | fine then | 15:18 |
@kanzure | sounds like it | 15:18 |
nmz787 | fenn: i'd say it's user directed choice | 15:18 |
nmz787 | some ppl want 10mers, some 100mers | 15:18 |
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nmz787 | hrmm | 15:19 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org.ezproxy.lib.umb.edu/content/17/17/6959.abstract | 15:19 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3351595cb30b257969233e8becdac3f4.txt | 15:19 |
@fenn | what doesn't make sense to me is why people keep using paperbot even though it apparently isn't working | 15:20 |
gradstudentbot | Oh that's interesting, do you want to write a paper together? | 15:21 |
nmz787 | fenn it sometimes does, i exhausted my ezproxy list which none worked | 15:21 |
nmz787 | it has more-than-ezproxy access it seems, at least more than I have | 15:21 |
nmz787 | (maybe still using ezproxy) | 15:22 |
@kanzure | earlier it seemed to have a few hits for nmz787 on some acs and springer stuff | 15:22 |
nmz787 | since i think i saw an exproxy error once on libgen or whatever the russian underhood stuff is | 15:22 |
@kanzure | that error was because scihub doesn't support proxies that are based on ports | 15:22 |
nmz787 | i believe it started working on some papers since last week too | 15:22 |
nmz787 | because i never closed the tabs since i didn't get a chance to download the papers, but i closed them today | 15:23 |
@kanzure | ezproxy has two modes of operation, subdomains and port forwarding. scihub doesn't support port forwarding because it just pastes the port number as a subdomain or some shit. | 15:23 |
nmz787 | (because I got the papers today) | 15:23 |
@fenn | they need to use a colon, not a period | 15:24 |
@fenn | example.com:1234 would work, but 1234.example.com is what they're pasting? | 15:24 |
nmz787 | now to paste these papers to facebook | 15:25 |
nmz787 | crowdsourced ezproxy! | 15:25 |
@fenn | sounds marginally more productive than manual dna synthesis | 15:26 |
@kanzure | fenn: no.. there's some ezproxy server for some school (or, n>1 school) that scihub is using that is configured to redirect sciencedirect.com instead of to sciencedirect.com.ezproxy.lib.university.edu to ezproxy.lib.university.edu:4591 and as a result it ends up being http://ezproxy.lib.university.edu:4591.scihub.org/ which is obviously a bad url. the scihub person isn't very uh.. careful. | 15:27 |
@kanzure | fenn: manual dna synthesis was only because it's nice to know that you know what you're doing | 15:27 |
@kanzure | nmz787: why was that machine air-ok? so far a bunch of machines have been nitrogen/argon-only. | 15:28 |
klafka | interesting bm project http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/26/genome-laser-burning-man | 15:28 |
@fenn | i know, i was just joking | 15:28 |
nmz787 | kanzure: the only thing that matters is lack of H2O | 15:30 |
@fenn | hm i guess there's only so many ways to make a bamboo laser tower (looks just like my tower design) | 15:30 |
nmz787 | that art looks like it will visually be interesting, but I'm not convinced it will be any more interesting than some random pattern fed into it, or other non-random stuff translated to weird visual events | 15:33 |
@fenn | i bet it will be much less interesting than patterns designed to be interesting | 15:33 |
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nmz787 | kanzure: the 5' OH looks exactly like water, thus the need for everything to be super dry of H20, else 'poser nucleotide' water molecules will react | 15:34 |
@fenn | one very weird thing i noticed about lasers shooting across the sky is that they look curved | 15:36 |
@kanzure | why is that weird.. the atmosphere scatters light, right? | 15:37 |
@fenn | it makes sense once you realize that two parallel beams will start at a single point and end at a single point | 15:37 |
@fenn | because of perspective | 15:38 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1081%2FNCN-120039215%26pubId%3D44684631 | 15:41 |
@fenn | i love it when the bots do their own original research | 15:42 |
@fenn | connection refused? | 15:44 |
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nmz787 | heh http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i7/e078101 | 16:00 |
nmz787 | .title | 16:00 |
yoleaux | Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 078101 (2012): Shape of a Ponytail and the Statistical Physics of Hair Fiber Bundles | 16:00 |
nmz787 | paperbot: http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i7/e078101 | 16:00 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.078101.pdf | 16:00 |
nmz787 | fenn see | 16:00 |
nmz787 | heh, some of these are pretty good http://www.improbable.com/ig/winners/ | 16:03 |
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nmz787 | "demonstrating that people make better decisions about some kinds of things but worse decisions about other kinds of things when they have a strong urge to urinate." | 16:06 |
nmz787 | "Theory of Structured Procrastination, which says: To be a high achiever, always work on something important, using it as a way to avoid doing something that's even more important." | 16:07 |
nmz787 | "the observant reader may feel that structured procrastination requires a certain amount of self-deception, since one is, in effect, constantly perpetrating a pyramid scheme on oneself. Exactly. One needs to be able to recognize and commit oneself to tasks with inflated importance and unreal deadlines, while making oneself feel that they are important and urgent. This clears the way to accomplish several apparently less urgent, but eminently achievab | 16:10 |
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@kanzure | nmz787: quote cutoff | 16:17 |
@heath | has anyone purchased from new england biolabs? | 16:21 |
* heath is thinking about purchasing: https://www.neb.com/products/n4040-m13mp18-single-stranded-dna | 16:22 | |
* heath decides against it | 16:23 | |
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@heath | because that would be idiotic | 16:23 |
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@kanzure | heath: yashgaroth and ParahSailin most definitely have purchased from NEB | 16:45 |
ParahSail1n | yes | 16:51 |
ParahSail1n | why would that be idiotic? | 16:52 |
ParahSail1n | don't need that particular thing? | 16:52 |
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@heath | ParahSail1n: right | 17:02 |
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cpopell_ | paperbot: http://rev.sagepub.com/cgi/content/long/1/1/89 | 17:04 |
paperbot | http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sprev/1/1/89.full.pdf | 17:04 |
@fenn | pardon the wired, but this is neat http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/24/magnifying-contact-lenses | 17:08 |
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@fenn | delinquentme: interesting IP address, what's that you're connecting from? | 17:18 |
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@kanzure | monkeybrains is an isp in sf | 17:18 |
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@fenn | yeah, but what's "PUBLIC" | 17:19 |
gradstudentbot | Where's my pellets? | 17:19 |
@fenn | .botsnack | 17:19 |
yoleaux | :D | 17:19 |
delinquentme | a HUGE radio toew | 17:20 |
delinquentme | tower | 17:20 |
@fenn | which tower? | 17:20 |
delinquentme | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutro_Tower dish wan | 17:20 |
delinquentme | fenn, I thought you were a SF kid? | 17:22 |
@fenn | i know what monkeybrains and sutro tower is, i just didnt realize you could connect directly | 17:23 |
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@fenn | i was thinking about setting up my own guerilla repeater node on twin peaks | 17:24 |
@fenn | the security's too good though | 17:25 |
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@fenn | the motorcycle ninja came by and scoped out the roof connectivity at langton once | 17:29 |
nmz787 | heath: NEB is a great company, they've given me $1k or so of free stuff and have been very helpful in email and on the phone, customer service and their PhD research dudes | 17:29 |
@fenn | their microtrenching technique is pretty cool; just cut a 1/8" slice in the sidewalk with a concrete saw and throw the fiber down in there | 17:31 |
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delinquentme | oh damn thats elegant! | 17:41 |
delinquentme | fenn, you're at langton? I've thought about stopping by | 17:41 |
delinquentme | but like I wanna nerd down and the beats + boardgames seem casual | 17:41 |
@fenn | no, i'm in DC now | 17:44 |
@fenn | i'm surprised beats n boardgames is still going on | 17:44 |
@fenn | seemed like it was going to be orphaned | 17:45 |
@heath | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00401a041 | 17:47 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Synthesis%20of%20deoxyoligonucleotides%20on%20a%20polymer%20support.txt | 17:47 |
@heath | paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040403901904617 | 17:47 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Deoxynucleoside%20phosphoramiditesA%20new%20class%20of%20key%20intermediates%20for%20deoxypolynucleotide%20synthesis.txt | 17:47 |
@kanzure | that's probably already on http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ | 17:47 |
@heath | nmz787: wow, thanks for that info | 17:48 |
@kanzure | heath: i think you should consider taking a community college biology class | 17:51 |
@kanzure | or, rather, a biochem lab class, or a molecular biology lab class | 17:51 |
@kanzure | not a biology class (oops) | 17:51 |
gradstudentbot | I think I have ebola. | 17:53 |
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@heath | if i get to buenos aires, okay, but i don't want to spend ~500 - 1000 on a single course | 18:00 |
@fenn | what does buenos aires have to do with it? | 18:02 |
@heath | schools is free over there, even for foreigners | 18:02 |
@fenn | ah, good to know | 18:02 |
@heath | i'm in talks with a company over there that is willing to sponsor my visa: creativa77.com.ar | 18:02 |
@kanzure | isn't argentina the one that was in the middle of collapsing | 18:04 |
@heath | in 2001? | 18:04 |
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@kanzure | well i live in 2013, but sure, whatever.. | 18:05 |
rigel | TELL ME WHICH BOOK TO READ | 18:05 |
rigel | K&R, or Abelson/Sussman? | 18:05 |
@kanzure | K&R | 18:05 |
@kanzure | and then the red book | 18:05 |
rigel | red book? | 18:06 |
@kanzure | the dragon compiler one | 18:06 |
@fenn | the little schemer (actually i haven't read this) | 18:06 |
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@kanzure | oh.. i mean the dragon book. | 18:06 |
rigel | i also have "simply scheme" | 18:06 |
@kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilers:_Principles,_Techniques,_and_Tools | 18:06 |
@kanzure | red book is supposed to refer to an opengl book, actually. sorry about that. | 18:07 |
@heath | don't read a book? go through the python tutorial | 18:07 |
rigel | i already know a bit of python | 18:07 |
@kanzure | python tutorials wont teach these things | 18:07 |
rigel | i want to be a jack of all trades but a master of none | 18:07 |
@kanzure | rigel: also consider SICP | 18:07 |
@heath | then a book | 18:07 |
rigel | kanzure: thats abelson | 18:07 |
@fenn | SICP is abelson/sussman | 18:08 |
@heath | that is abelson/sussman | 18:08 |
@kanzure | well aren't i just terrible | 18:08 |
* kanzure sits in his corner | 18:08 | |
* heath cartwheels into the wall | 18:08 | |
rigel | ive tried to read sicp in the past | 18:08 |
rigel | and i cant get past how terrible scheme/lisp seems | 18:08 |
* heath fights the urge... | 18:11 | |
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@fenn | anyone played "the blind watchmaker"? this guy has some amazing faux developmental sculptures: http://www.nickervinck.com/prints.php http://www.nickervinck.com/ssculptures.php reminds me of topological optimization | 18:11 |
@fenn | i really like sniburtad and agrieborz (in multi color) | 18:14 |
@fenn | http://www.nickervinck.com/overview/AGRIEBORZ.php | 18:17 |
gradstudentbot | I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space. | 18:17 |
@heath | neat stuff fenn | 18:24 |
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@heath | paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2005/OB/b510458k | 18:39 |
paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1039/B510458K.pdf | 18:39 |
@heath | \o/ | 18:39 |
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@heath | paperbot: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/ij/2005/00000001/00000001/art00003 | 18:43 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a6e07d0cd2ae0c2631f550be1445771d.txt | 18:43 |
@ParahSail1n | paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1574090054484306 | 18:45 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e9eb5d37c5f27d3bad573d501275a8ff.txt | 18:45 |
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@kanzure | woh woh wah. | 18:48 |
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@heath | .title http://www.isnsce.org/ | 18:55 |
yoleaux | ISNSCE | 18:55 |
@heath | The 19th international Meeting on DNA Computing and Molecular Programming :: Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona, USA :: September 22- September 27, 2013 | 18:55 |
@heath | International Society for Nanoscale Science, Computation and Engineering (ISNSCE) | 18:56 |
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@kanzure | beep | 20:46 |
Adifex | boop | 20:46 |
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@ParahSail1n | hm, eg is doing work on the psyllid that carries the citrus greening virus | 21:41 |
@ParahSail1n | sorry, bacteria | 21:41 |
@ParahSail1n | pretty sure we have a liberibacter genome assembly | 21:42 |
@ParahSail1n | oh, but its a potato psyllid bacteria that we have | 21:43 |
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tomkinsc | Decent (non-academic) article on fasting in Harper's http://www.scribd.com/doc/95722979/Starving-Your-Way-to-Vigor | 23:48 |
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