2013-07-30.log

--- Log opened Tue Jul 30 00:00:40 2013
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nmz787kanzure: up?00:14
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@heathhello yorick05:52
yorickhello05:55
@heathneat05:56
@heathhttp://wg.oftn.org/05:56
* heath didn't know what the oftn stood for in your cloak05:57
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@heathnanorex's website is gone06:46
@heathgithub.com/kanzure/nanoengineer has broken links in its readme06:46
@kanzurei haven't deployed the backup yet06:52
@kanzurenmz787: yes i'm awake06:52
yorickheath: hah it's a joke; ohm*fahrad to none :)07:29
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ananniehttp://jayporter.com/dispatches/observations-from-a-tipless-restaurant-part-2-money-and-the-law/ <--- I wonder if automation could change this09:26
@kanzure.title http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-releases-swartz-report-0730.html09:41
yoleauxMIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case - MIT News Office09:41
@kanzurehttp://swartz-report.mit.edu/09:41
@kanzurehttp://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-swartz-report-faq-0730.html09:42
@kanzure.title http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-swartz-report-faq-0730.html09:42
yoleauxFAQ on report to President Reif regarding MIT and Aaron Swartz - MIT News Office09:42
@kanzure"Prior to January 2011, any computer connected to MIT’s open wireless network could access JSTOR. As a direct result of the Oct. 9, 2010, downloading incident, MIT developed an authorization system to more narrowly restrict access to certain electronic databases. Under this system, implemented on Jan. 10, 2011, only MIT faculty, students, or staff — not guests — can freely access JSTOR. Guests seeking access to JSTOR must now use ...09:44
@kanzure... certain workstations located in MIT’s libraries. "09:45
@kanzurehttp://swartz-report.mit.edu/docs/report-to-the-president.pdf09:45
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@kanzureha ha http://tarensk.tumblr.com/post/56881327662/mit-report-is-a-whitewash-my-statement-in-response09:47
ParahSailinwow fuck mit09:49
@kanzure"However, the report says that MIT’s neutrality stance did not consider factors including “that the defendant was an accomplished and well-known contributor to Internet technology”; that the law under which he was charged “is a poorly drafted and questionable criminal law as applied to modern computing”; and that “the United States was pursuing an overtly aggressive prosecution.” While MIT’s position “may have been ...09:49
@kanzure... prudent,” the report says, “it did not duly take into account the wider background” of policy issues “in which MIT people have traditionally been passionate leaders.”"09:49
@kanzurei think that is called empathy09:50
@kanzurethe most annoying thing about this report is that it assumes aaronsw was guilty10:00
@kanzure"he was arrested, therefore he must be guilty!"10:00
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@kanzurehttps://github.com/qdot/jiggly.js11:34
klafkathat is quite a common problem kanzure11:42
klafkahence why even having an arrest record11:42
ParahSailinfor running js stuff in shell, is there something smaller than node.js?11:44
nmz787anannie: that article started out interesting, but ended with not much of a show... does this mean I should stop tipping (which is what my heart wants to do) and hope it forces businesses to change their management?11:54
@kanzureParahSailin: spidermonkey, v8, javascriptcore, seedjs11:55
@kanzurethere's also one called rhino something.. i forget.11:55
gradstudentbotI hope they kick me out.11:58
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nmz787kanzure so i'm starting a list of potential lab equipment needed for a synthesis research and dev project12:03
@kanzurenmz787: put it on diyhpluswiki.git ?12:06
nmz787hplc ok12:06
nmz787ok12:06
nmz787hplc, uv vis spec, optical filters and fiber optic cable12:06
@kanzurefor manual synthesis, there's whatever is listed in here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Syringe%20method%20for%20stepwise%20chemical%20synthesis%20of%20oligonucleotides.pdf12:07
nmz7874-10 syringe pumps12:07
nmz7873-way pneumatic valves12:07
@kanzurei have no idea who edited that document. it has some handwritten corrections.12:07
nmz787gaseous nitrogen tank with regulator(s)12:08
nmz787oscilloscope12:08
@kanzurei know nothing about keeping the system pressurized with whatever gas.12:08
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anannienmz787: I meant more from the margins point of view... A robot based restaurant would be more profitable and cheaper12:09
@kanzure"Thin layer chromatography was carried out with Whatman K5f silica and MKC18 plates. HPLC was performed with a Perkin Elmer series 2 Liquid Chromatograph equipped with a Whatman Partisil PX10/25 ODS-2 column or PXS 10/25 SAX column."12:09
@kanzureanannie: lumnos labs was incubating a company that was building a hamburger machine restaurant12:09
@kanzure"The total time required for each cycle is about 13 min." geeze.12:10
nmz787anannie: I emailed the author asking for 'what to do' 'do i stop tipping and hope darwinian evolution breeds tipless restaurants'12:10
ananniekanzure: Yes, I've read about it12:10
nmz787kanzure: yes diffusion sucks12:10
@kanzure12:13 <@qDot_> I'm supposed to be implementing joystick haptics for the firefox joystick API.12:14
@kanzurethe dildo/vibrator guy is responsible for javascript/joystick things? geeze. department of irony is in full force at mozilla.12:14
nmz787"I'm going to address this in the final installment of the series. But the spoiler: I think tipping should be made, and will be made, illegal.  I think this will happen fairly soon. Like, within 20 or 30 years."12:24
nmz787 anannie ^ from the article writer12:25
@kanzurenmz787: btw have you ever read merrifield's nobel prize acceptance speech about dna synthesis?12:25
anannienmz787: That didn't interest me as much as the 4% profit margin stuff12:26
@kanzurehttp://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1984/merrifield-lecture.pdf12:26
nmz787kanzure: yes, I remember we tried finding audio of that12:26
nmz787or something12:26
@kanzureoh yeah. i remember we failed.12:26
@kanzurewtf? why aren't those available.12:27
nmz787guess I need to reread this12:27
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@kanzurenmz787: feel free to dump random lists, BOMs, notes, whatever into the wiki, just make a folder or something12:31
nmz787ok, trying to make a worst case BOM essentially12:32
nmz787or rather, best case with safety margins12:32
nmz787cheapest case with safety12:32
@kanzurei think you posted a list of the chemical BOM to the wiki somewhere already12:32
nmz787yea i have that in gdrive at least12:33
nmz787gonna ask the eugene lab to help with idea development and equipment procurement12:33
@kanzurehmm it's not on http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/12:33
nmz787since I don't know how to properly ask you for money or motivation12:34
@kanzureonce we figure out a rough bom for a macro synthesizer, we'll price out the parts and then i'll cut you a check probably12:34
nmz787supposedly the one guy down there developed a bunch of the safe dyes and some life tech devices12:34
@kanzurethe sybrsafe stuff was 1 guy?12:35
nmz787so i imagine they might know some stuff12:35
nmz787he made it sounds like it12:35
nmz787but i dont think that could be true12:35
nmz787rather, i think he was the tester on cells and with fluorescense12:35
nmz787not the chemist12:35
nmz787dunno how wide the team pyramid could be though12:36
nmz787i guess theres a cutoff somewhere before your pyramid includes the whole company structure12:36
nmz787paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac303153a?journalCode=ancham12:37
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1021/ac303153a.pdf12:37
nmz787paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a12:38
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1021/ac303153a.pdf12:38
nmz787paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a/suppl_file/ac303153a_si_002.pdf12:39
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paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1bd2eb0f722ac5d52a9403c857c1a1e5.pdf12:39
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nmz787paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/doi/suppl/10.1021/ac303153a/suppl_file/ac303153a_si_001.avi12:40
@kanzurehmm that one might take paperbot a while12:42
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/804add8a6a5c2dc27a4d61288af64753.txt12:43
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nmz787paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF0032164812:44
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF00321648.pdf12:44
nmz787paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/chem.201300655/abstract12:45
nmz787heh, MPEG is a chemistry acronym to me now too12:45
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1002%2Fchem.20130065512:46
nmz787monomethoxy polyethylene glycol12:46
nmz787huh, paperbot failed, though pdx has it12:46
nmz787this paper is actually looking quite interesting12:47
nmz787'Liquid-Phase RNA Synthesis by Using Alkyl-Chain-Soluble Support'12:47
nmz787nice and it has supplementary info12:48
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nmz787"The liquid-phase method, in which a soluble polymer supports the chemical synthesis of simple organic molecules, as well as of large biopolymers, has seen in these last years an explosion of successful applications (1). It is worth recalling that the replacement of insoluble crosslinked resins, such as those employed in the Merrifieldlike solid-phase procedures, can solve the problems of converting solution-based reaction protocols for their use und12:52
nmz787paperbot: link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF0278790812:55
ParahSailinanyone have a morbid curiosity to see some really bad resumes for mechanical engineers?13:03
ParahSailinthis one guy buy a big fucking microscope image as the background13:04
ParahSailinput13:04
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nmz787ParahSailin: hit me13:17
nmz787paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF0278790813:18
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF02787908.pdf13:18
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@kanzureParahSailin: sure i'll take some. email em over.14:07
@kanzurenmz787: the rewrite of paperbot is going to be much better at fetching supplementary materials. by default all supplementary materials will be downloaded.14:07
cpopell_ParahSailin: Sure.14:09
ParahSailinwarning, lots of them are doc files, lol14:09
gradstudentbotCan I defend with just one aim done?14:11
@kanzureniice. doc file resumes.14:13
nmz787my username at gmail14:14
nmz787paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac400163u?journalCode=ancham14:14
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1021/ac400163u.pdf14:14
@kanzurei often wonder how many people still accept resumes as .doc forma14:14
@kanzure~format14:14
nmz787i hate when companies want .doc14:14
@kanzureand, if you inject javascript into it, what percentage of companies still execute untrusted javascript?14:14
nmz787heh14:14
nmz787something I haven't thought14:14
gradstudentbotThe real reason I wanted to join this lab was because I love to clean glassware.14:15
@kanzurebecause you can use phone-home things to give you analytics/data about the open rate and whatever14:15
@kanzurelots of holes have been plugged in the last decade on that front14:15
nmz787huh, I can get the supplement to that without being logged in14:16
@kanzurebut lots of people will just click 'yes, run this program'14:16
nmz787but not the main article14:16
@kanzurewhich publisher?14:16
@kanzureacs?14:16
nmz787yea14:16
gradstudentbotYou know they keep the mice in better conditions than us.14:16
anannieOkay I have a question, is it okay to replicate some robot that I've seen as a beginning project?14:17
anannieIs it okay to replicate projects at all?14:17
nmz787wait a sec, paperbot stripped out the page nums14:17
@kanzurenmz787: file a bug report against https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues and be specific14:18
nmz787anannie: replication of results is a foundation of scientific experimentation14:18
ParahSailinkanzure: yeah, like 90% of them are doc files14:18
@kanzureanannie: it depends on what you want to do with the replicant. are you going to sell it? are you going to advertise loudly that it is your design? then that's mostly a bad idea.14:18
ParahSailinthankfully gmail has preview for doc14:18
anannienmz787: Yes, but I feel ashamed... I like being originl14:18
ananniekanzure: Just to learn from it14:18
@kanzureanannie: if the robot's licensing says it's open source or free software or creative commons, then go to town and don't give a shit 0~just be in compliance1~14:19
gradstudentbotShould I still be wearing gloves?14:19
ananniehttp://youtu.be/tuqeaIT8X8I14:19
anannieIt's a pretty standard design14:19
anannie(for a walking robot)14:19
@kanzureanannie: yeah, you're fine. just don't claim it is your own design, and don't start a business around it. also, you can potentially ask the original designer for advice about making your own.14:20
@kanzureanannie: also, if you are concerned about licensing it out as an open source project for other people to work on, then these issues shift slightly..14:20
nmz787kanzure: done14:20
ananniekanzure: That's one of the most common designs out there when it comes to hexapods14:20
ananniekanzure: I'm not worried about any of that14:20
ananniekanzure: I just want to build a robot to satisfy my weekly quota :)14:21
ParahSailinanannie: you're in india ffs, ip isnt an issue14:21
@kanzurenmz787: thanks for the bug report. i will fix it soon.14:21
@kanzureParahSailin: oh yeah, i forgot about that. india wont care that much.14:21
anannieParahSailin: I won't be for long.14:21
nmz787anannie: my ex roommate made this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDsKEexQtwI14:21
ParahSailinwhere you going?14:22
gradstudentbotShould I be doing this in the fume hood?14:22
anannieCanada14:22
ananniethen SV14:22
@kanzurenmz787: also, please post notes/links/whatever into diyhpluswiki.git..14:22
nmz787here ir is walking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83LnRTKE1qw14:22
anannienmz787: That's impressive how long did it take for him to get the control algo right?14:23
nmz787maybe a month or so14:23
nmz787i believe he used reverse kinematics14:23
anannieWhat did he use?14:23
anannieyou mean inverse kinematics?14:23
nmz787yes14:23
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gradstudentbotSo, I'll let you have my reagents when I'm done with my project.14:24
nmz787he simulated it in something as well first14:24
anannieThat's a bit beyond me at the moment as I'm lacking in the essential fundamentals14:24
@kanzuredidn't fenn write a lot of inverse kinematics software14:24
nmz787but he's a savant-type genius boy, sort of14:24
@kanzurei feel like that's something he did..14:24
anannie(linear algebra and so on)14:24
nmz787i believe it was running controlled via MATLAB14:24
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@fennis it just me or did yoleaux stop working for all but the simplest wolfram queries?14:33
@fennit gives up on things that wolframalpha.com does alright on14:33
@fenn.wa protein per gram salmon14:34
yoleauxfenn: Sorry, no result!14:34
@fennthat ought to work14:34
@fennor at least do something14:35
ParahSailinthat might have been too powerful of an api for them to expose14:35
@fennit seems like this sort of query used to work14:36
ParahSailinwell they probably intentionally limited it14:37
@fennis there an open source NLP database/math thingy?14:37
@fenni dont even know what you call this...14:38
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klafkaNLP database for?14:39
klafkathere is google's n-gram dataset14:40
klafkathat's pretty huge14:40
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klafkathere are a couple of fairly large n-gram datasets14:40
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@fennhplus, a transhumanist anal ointment cream company <- hilarious, i wonder if that's what gradstudentbot is researching14:47
gradstudentbotI don't have enough data to form a hypothesis.14:47
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eudoxiacures post-{kurzweil/silva/yudkowsky/prisco}-hate-session anal frustration14:49
nmz787heh, one of those resumes lists football as an employment14:51
nmz787paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jo901931z14:52
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paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5b45d6cc5d53f6f01e05b87b10d085cd.pdf14:52
nmz787paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1081/NCN-120039215#.Ufg34Y1OSSp15:02
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gradstudentbotI haven't seen my PI in like a week.15:02
nmz787paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1055364215:03
@kanzureazco sells both microarray-based and column-based synthesizers. hrm.15:04
@kanzurehttp://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/NewSynthesizers.php15:04
@kanzure"The Dr. Oliogo XC is custom made, fully automated system designed for high throughput synthesis in either column or plate format"15:04
@kanzurei wonder how that works. it just reconfigures to do the other format?15:05
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@kanzurehttp://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/droligo.php15:05
@kanzurehaha $95k15:05
@kanzurei mean $100k15:05
@kanzurepfft "Controlled via Dr. Oligo Software that includes full audit tracking, protocol optimization, pause ahead capabilities and easy operation of the system."15:05
nmz787cambrian uses one of those15:06
nmz787it was either the oligo array, or a dr oligo15:06
nmz787i remember the blue color of it though15:07
@kanzurei don't understand how it's microarray "or" columnar15:07
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@kanzurewhat's the point of building both into one unit?15:07
@kanzurethe oligomaker is the one that does 192 columns in a circle shape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBbjfEj1lCc15:08
@kanzurearound 40s they show how the unit rotates over the columns15:09
@kanzureszostak lecture on non-enzymatic dna synthesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfq5-i8xoIU15:10
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nmz787that's copying not synthesis15:12
@kanzurecopying is still important for other reasons15:12
nmz787well, not de novo15:12
nmz787paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/17/6959.full.pdf+html15:15
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Fnar%2F17.17.695915:15
@kanzure"New XC Versio- allows synthesis, cleave and deprotection all on the same instrument"15:16
@fennnmz787: so can you download the paper from the link paperbot just gave?15:16
@kanzurethat just doesn't make sense to me. how are you making oligos *without* deprotection?15:16
@kanzure"Recommended gas: argon, nitrogen, air"15:17
nmz787fenn:  no15:17
@kanzure"Number of liquid reagents: 6 standard, expandable to 8"15:17
@kanzure"Synthesis scale: 10nMole to 2uMole"15:17
nmz787deprotection is the last step15:17
@fenn"Single-stranded RNA can be shipped in its 2' protected form to improve stability." maybe at the end of the reaction you can leave it in the protected form or not, whoopee15:17
nmz787not a cycle step15:17
nmz787they call the cycle step activation15:17
@kanzureoh, i see.15:18
@fennis it just semantics about where the cycle ends?15:18
@kanzurefine then15:18
@kanzuresounds like it15:18
nmz787fenn: i'd say it's user directed choice15:18
nmz787some ppl want 10mers, some 100mers15:18
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nmz787hrmm15:19
nmz787paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org.ezproxy.lib.umb.edu/content/17/17/6959.abstract15:19
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3351595cb30b257969233e8becdac3f4.txt15:19
@fennwhat doesn't make sense to me is why people keep using paperbot even though it apparently isn't working15:20
gradstudentbotOh that's interesting, do you want to write a paper together?15:21
nmz787fenn it sometimes does, i exhausted my ezproxy list which none worked15:21
nmz787it has more-than-ezproxy access it seems, at least more than I have15:21
nmz787(maybe still using ezproxy)15:22
@kanzureearlier it seemed to have a few hits for nmz787 on some acs and springer stuff15:22
nmz787since i think i saw an exproxy error once on libgen or whatever the russian underhood stuff is15:22
@kanzurethat error was because scihub doesn't support proxies that are based on ports15:22
nmz787i believe it started working on some papers since last week too15:22
nmz787because i never closed the tabs since i didn't get a chance to download the papers, but i closed them today15:23
@kanzureezproxy has two modes of operation, subdomains and port forwarding. scihub doesn't support port forwarding because it just pastes the port number as a subdomain or some shit.15:23
nmz787(because I got the papers today)15:23
@fennthey need to use a colon, not a period15:24
@fennexample.com:1234 would work, but 1234.example.com is what they're pasting?15:24
nmz787now to paste these papers to facebook15:25
nmz787crowdsourced ezproxy!15:25
@fennsounds marginally more productive than manual dna synthesis15:26
@kanzurefenn: no.. there's some ezproxy server for some school (or, n>1 school) that scihub is using that is configured to redirect sciencedirect.com instead of to sciencedirect.com.ezproxy.lib.university.edu to ezproxy.lib.university.edu:4591 and as a result it ends up being http://ezproxy.lib.university.edu:4591.scihub.org/ which is obviously a bad url. the scihub person isn't very uh.. careful.15:27
@kanzurefenn: manual dna synthesis was only because it's nice to know that you know what you're doing15:27
@kanzurenmz787: why was that machine air-ok? so far a bunch of machines have been nitrogen/argon-only.15:28
klafkainteresting bm project http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/26/genome-laser-burning-man15:28
@fenni know, i was just joking15:28
nmz787kanzure: the only thing that matters is lack of H2O15:30
@fennhm i guess there's only so many ways to make a bamboo laser tower (looks just like my tower design)15:30
nmz787that art looks like it will visually be interesting, but I'm not convinced it will be any more interesting than some random pattern fed into it, or other non-random stuff translated to weird visual events15:33
@fenni bet it will be much less interesting than patterns designed to be interesting15:33
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nmz787kanzure: the 5' OH looks exactly like water, thus the need for everything to be super dry of H20, else 'poser nucleotide' water molecules will react15:34
@fennone very weird thing i noticed about lasers shooting across the sky is that they look curved15:36
@kanzurewhy is that weird.. the atmosphere scatters light, right?15:37
@fennit makes sense once you realize that two parallel beams will start at a single point and end at a single point15:37
@fennbecause of perspective15:38
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1081%2FNCN-120039215%26pubId%3D4468463115:41
@fenni love it when the bots do their own original research15:42
@fennconnection refused?15:44
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nmz787heh http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i7/e07810116:00
nmz787.title16:00
yoleauxPhys. Rev. Lett. 108, 078101 (2012): Shape of a Ponytail and the Statistical Physics of Hair Fiber Bundles16:00
nmz787paperbot: http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i7/e07810116:00
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.078101.pdf16:00
nmz787fenn see16:00
nmz787heh, some of these are pretty good http://www.improbable.com/ig/winners/16:03
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nmz787"demonstrating that people make better decisions about some kinds of things  but worse decisions about other kinds of things when they have a strong urge to urinate."16:06
nmz787"Theory of Structured Procrastination, which says: To be a high achiever, always work on something important, using it as a way to avoid doing something that's even more important."16:07
nmz787"the observant reader may feel that structured procrastination requires a certain amount of self-deception, since one is, in effect, constantly perpetrating a pyramid scheme on oneself. Exactly. One needs to be able to recognize and commit oneself to tasks with inflated importance and unreal deadlines, while making oneself feel that they are important and urgent. This clears the way to accomplish several apparently less urgent, but eminently achievab16:10
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@kanzurenmz787: quote cutoff16:17
@heathhas anyone purchased from new england biolabs?16:21
* heath is thinking about purchasing: https://www.neb.com/products/n4040-m13mp18-single-stranded-dna16:22
* heath decides against it16:23
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@heathbecause that would be idiotic16:23
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@kanzureheath: yashgaroth and ParahSailin most definitely have purchased from NEB16:45
ParahSail1nyes16:51
ParahSail1nwhy would that be idiotic?16:52
ParahSail1ndon't need that particular thing?16:52
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@heathParahSail1n: right17:02
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cpopell_paperbot:  http://rev.sagepub.com/cgi/content/long/1/1/8917:04
paperbothttp://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sprev/1/1/89.full.pdf17:04
@fennpardon the wired, but this is neat http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/24/magnifying-contact-lenses17:08
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@fenndelinquentme: interesting IP address, what's that you're connecting from?17:18
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@kanzuremonkeybrains is an isp in sf17:18
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@fennyeah, but what's "PUBLIC"17:19
gradstudentbotWhere's my pellets?17:19
@fenn.botsnack17:19
yoleaux:D17:19
delinquentmea HUGE radio  toew17:20
delinquentmetower17:20
@fennwhich tower?17:20
delinquentmehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutro_Tower dish wan17:20
delinquentmefenn, I thought you were a SF kid?17:22
@fenni know what monkeybrains and sutro tower is, i just didnt realize you could connect directly17:23
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@fenni was thinking about setting up my own guerilla repeater node on twin peaks17:24
@fennthe security's too good though17:25
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@fennthe motorcycle ninja came by and scoped out the roof connectivity at langton once17:29
nmz787heath: NEB is a great company, they've given me $1k or so of free stuff and have been very helpful in email and on the phone, customer service and their PhD research dudes17:29
@fenntheir microtrenching technique is pretty cool; just cut a 1/8" slice in the sidewalk with a concrete saw and throw the fiber down in there17:31
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delinquentmeoh damn thats elegant!17:41
delinquentmefenn, you're at langton? I've thought about stopping by17:41
delinquentmebut like I wanna nerd down and the beats + boardgames seem casual17:41
@fennno, i'm in DC now17:44
@fenni'm surprised beats n boardgames is still going on17:44
@fennseemed like it was going to be orphaned17:45
@heathpaperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00401a04117:47
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Synthesis%20of%20deoxyoligonucleotides%20on%20a%20polymer%20support.txt17:47
@heathpaperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004040390190461717:47
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Deoxynucleoside%20phosphoramiditesA%20new%20class%20of%20key%20intermediates%20for%20deoxypolynucleotide%20synthesis.txt17:47
@kanzurethat's probably already on http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/17:47
@heathnmz787: wow, thanks for that info17:48
@kanzureheath: i think you should consider taking a community college biology class17:51
@kanzureor, rather, a biochem lab class, or a molecular biology lab class17:51
@kanzurenot a biology class (oops)17:51
gradstudentbotI think I have ebola.17:53
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@heathif i get to buenos aires, okay, but i don't want to spend ~500 - 1000 on a single course18:00
@fennwhat does buenos aires have to do with it?18:02
@heathschools is free over there, even for foreigners18:02
@fennah, good to know18:02
@heathi'm in talks with a company over there that is willing to sponsor my visa: creativa77.com.ar18:02
@kanzureisn't argentina the one that was in the middle of collapsing18:04
@heathin 2001?18:04
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@kanzurewell i live in 2013, but sure, whatever..18:05
rigelTELL ME WHICH BOOK TO READ18:05
rigelK&R, or Abelson/Sussman?18:05
@kanzureK&R18:05
@kanzureand then the red book18:05
rigelred book?18:06
@kanzurethe dragon compiler one18:06
@fennthe little schemer (actually i haven't read this)18:06
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@kanzureoh.. i mean the dragon book.18:06
rigeli also have "simply scheme"18:06
@kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilers:_Principles,_Techniques,_and_Tools18:06
@kanzurered book is supposed to refer to an opengl book, actually. sorry about that.18:07
@heathdon't read a book? go through the python tutorial18:07
rigeli already know a bit of python18:07
@kanzurepython tutorials wont teach these things18:07
rigeli want to be a jack of all trades but a master of none18:07
@kanzurerigel: also consider SICP18:07
@heaththen a book18:07
rigelkanzure: thats abelson18:07
@fennSICP is abelson/sussman18:08
@heaththat is abelson/sussman18:08
@kanzurewell aren't i just terrible18:08
* kanzure sits in his corner18:08
* heath cartwheels into the wall18:08
rigelive tried to read sicp in the past18:08
rigeland i cant get past how terrible scheme/lisp seems18:08
* heath fights the urge...18:11
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@fennanyone played "the blind watchmaker"? this guy has some amazing faux developmental sculptures: http://www.nickervinck.com/prints.php http://www.nickervinck.com/ssculptures.php  reminds me of topological optimization18:11
@fenni really like sniburtad and agrieborz (in multi color)18:14
@fennhttp://www.nickervinck.com/overview/AGRIEBORZ.php18:17
gradstudentbotI am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space.18:17
@heathneat stuff fenn18:24
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@heathpaperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2005/OB/b510458k18:39
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1039/B510458K.pdf18:39
@heath\o/18:39
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@heathpaperbot: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/ij/2005/00000001/00000001/art0000318:43
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a6e07d0cd2ae0c2631f550be1445771d.txt18:43
@ParahSail1npaperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/157409005448430618:45
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e9eb5d37c5f27d3bad573d501275a8ff.txt18:45
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@kanzurewoh woh wah.18:48
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@heath.title http://www.isnsce.org/18:55
yoleauxISNSCE18:55
@heathThe 19th international Meeting on DNA Computing and Molecular Programming :: Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona, USA :: September 22- September 27, 201318:55
@heathInternational Society for Nanoscale Science, Computation and Engineering (ISNSCE)18:56
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@kanzurebeep20:46
Adifexboop20:46
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@ParahSail1nhm, eg is doing work on the psyllid that carries the citrus greening virus21:41
@ParahSail1nsorry, bacteria21:41
@ParahSail1npretty sure we have a liberibacter genome assembly21:42
@ParahSail1noh, but its a potato psyllid bacteria that we have21:43
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tomkinscDecent (non-academic) article on fasting in Harper's http://www.scribd.com/doc/95722979/Starving-Your-Way-to-Vigor23:48
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