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| archels | some interesting lectures http://videolectures.net/nips2012_laketahoe/ | 01:21 |
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| archels | .title | 01:21 |
| yoleaux | 26th Annual Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems (NIPS), Lake Tahoe 2012 - VideoLectures - videolectures.net | 01:21 |
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| strangewarp | http://www.foc.us/ - Interesting, it looks like someone is selling a consumer-friendly transcranial electrical stimulation device... marketed towards gamers, of course. | 03:46 |
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| archels | ha | 04:02 |
| archels | The name "cepstrum" was derived by reversing the first four letters of "spectrum". Operations on cepstra are labelled quefrency analysis, liftering, or cepstral analysis. | 04:02 |
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| @kanzure | tomkinsc: you receive negative a billion points for linking to scribd | 06:03 |
| @kanzure | strangewarp: `and you receive -1000 for not paying attention whenever that was first linked months ago | 06:03 |
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| strangewarp | having read the logs: ah | 06:40 |
| strangewarp | oh interesting, I hadn't realized tdcs devices were /that/ cheap to make | 06:50 |
| strangewarp | looks simple enough.. now I'm tempted to build one. hnn! probably in a few months. | 07:05 |
| @kanzure | i don't recommend it | 07:06 |
| @kanzure | you can get more precision out of ultrasound | 07:07 |
| @kanzure | i feel like a broken mp3 player at this point | 07:07 |
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| @heath | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1385%2F0-89603-127-6%3A193 | 09:05 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1385/0-89603-127-6%253A193.pdf | 09:05 |
| @heath | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1385%2F0-89603-127-6%3A165.pdf#page-1 | 09:08 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e45c56d52597576c01faacf2b4547f9a.txt | 09:08 |
| @heath | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1385%2F0-89603-127-6%3A193 | 09:08 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1385/0-89603-127-6%253A193.pdf | 09:08 |
| @heath | grr at my copy/paste skills | 09:09 |
| @heath | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1385%2F0-89603-127-6%3A165.pdf | 09:09 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bb54f17b677390c0d88957494619ec07.txt | 09:09 |
| @heath | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1385%2F0-89603-127-6%3A165 | 09:09 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9acd94ee51b80b9976d2f2b2b628ddbb.pdf | 09:09 |
| @heath | also relevant to these links: http://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar/comments/1je4rm/ | 09:13 |
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| @kanzure | paperfairy is infringing on paperbot, kill it with fires | 09:17 |
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| @kanzure | hehe monoprice is selling pdms/abs filament spools now | 11:16 |
| @bkero | Really? | 11:29 |
| @bkero | That's pretty awesome. | 11:29 |
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| @nmz787 | kanzure: scribd isn't /that/ bad... | 12:09 |
| @kanzure | scribd charges for access to anything past the second page | 12:10 |
| @nmz787 | i'm on the 3rd page | 12:10 |
| @nmz787 | just scrolled to the end | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | shrug. i have heard reports of it charging for CC-NC content. | 12:11 |
| @nmz787 | it won't let me download without signing in, and maybe paying, i can't tell | 12:11 |
| @nmz787 | but a pdf is definitely in my browser | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | if it is on your screen then you have already downlloaded it | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | that's a png actually | 12:11 |
| @nmz787 | err | 12:12 |
| @nmz787 | yeah | 12:12 |
| @nmz787 | not a pdf | 12:12 |
| @nmz787 | "Tanner was himself a naturopathicdoctor, establishmentarian doctorseschewed the affair. Establishmentslike nothing so little as progress notestablished by themselves" | 12:16 |
| @nmz787 | kanzure: we could set up something like this fast... the guy fasted " and a little chatting with his public, the size of which would be familiar to a short-story writer on book tour to-day. " | 12:20 |
| @nmz787 | 'starving for synthesis' a hunger-strike on kickstarter to raise $ for DNA synthesis research | 12:20 |
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| @nmz787 | 'Nathan McCcorkle survives on nothing but water and primary literature' | 12:21 |
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| @nmz787 | "Decadeslater, studies would show that fast-ing followed by a high-fat diet wasas effective against seizures as manymodern anticonvulsants and thatvariants of the Allen Diet were ef-fective against diabetes. But Ameri-ca, then as now, preferred the prom-ise of the pill over a mod-i | 12:25 |
| @nmz787 | cation of menu." | 12:25 |
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| @nmz787 | whoops, I meant to edit the spaces into that | 12:25 |
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| @nmz787 | kanzure: searching monoprice for pdms comes up with no results | 12:37 |
| @kanzure | hmm | 12:39 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103513001644 | 12:44 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Wind%20driven%20capillary-gravity%20waves%20on%20Titans%20lakes%3A%20Hard%20to%20detect%20or%20non-existent%3F.pdf | 12:44 |
| @fenn | kanzure: tDCS is safe, cheap, demonstrated to be beneficial. ultrasound is expensive/unobtainable, carries significant danger of accidentally frying parts of your brain, and nobody knows how to use it for good (yet). given these, how can you recommend ultrasound over tDCS? | 12:46 |
| @kanzure | nobody has demonstrated a practical benefit of tdcs except new age bullshit | 12:47 |
| @fenn | pretty sure they demonstrated increased learning rates | 12:47 |
| @kanzure | whereas transcranial ultrasound has caused potentials in the motor cortex to move limbs and even whole whiskers | 12:47 |
| @fenn | i can already move my limbs and whiskers | 12:47 |
| @kanzure | the point of limb movement is that it's extremely obvious that the device is working | 12:48 |
| @kanzure | (or not working) | 12:48 |
| @fenn | if i wanted to induce a seizure, there are much safer methods | 12:48 |
| * kanzure puts on his placebo cap | 12:48 | |
| @kanzure | http://alittleleftofright.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/BeaniePropellerCap-.jpg | 12:49 |
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| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v30/n30/pdf/onc201191a.pdf | 12:50 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fonc.2011.91 | 12:50 |
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| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v30/n30/abs/onc201191a.html | 12:50 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fonc.2011.91 | 12:50 |
| @nmz787 | friggin | 12:50 |
| delinquentme | whats the psycholgical effect observed in the netflix prize | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | why | 12:51 |
| delinquentme | I'm observing it happening in me right now | 12:52 |
| delinquentme | every girl is a fucking perfect 10 | 12:52 |
| @nmz787 | paid ezproxy triumphs! http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Fasting_vs_dietary_restriction_in_cellular_protection_and_cancer_treatment_from_model_organisms_to_patients.pdf | 12:52 |
| delinquentme | im CRANKED | 12:52 |
| @nmz787 | delinquentme: maybe you're JACKED | 12:52 |
| gradstudentbot | No no no no! Use your key commands! | 12:52 |
| @fenn | delinquentme: you're wearing beer goggles? | 12:52 |
| @nmz787 | or STACKED | 12:52 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, haha nah I'm not actually surfing any meds right now | 12:52 |
| delinquentme | green tea at most | 12:53 |
| @nmz787 | i'm sure there's a primary lit article on green tea increasing libido | 12:53 |
| @nmz787 | there's even probably a meme to describe that | 12:53 |
| @nmz787 | 'given sufficient time, one can find vague references to almost any information desired, whether it's true or not' | 12:53 |
| @nmz787 | in fact, if it's on the internet, it's true | 12:54 |
| gradstudentbot | I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space. | 12:55 |
| @fenn | gradstudentbot: i'm sure there's an article that shows you're right | 12:55 |
| gradstudentbot | Who has the latest revisions on the paper? | 12:55 |
| @fenn | delinquentme: are you talking about the napoleon dynamite problem? | 12:56 |
| delinquentme | fenn, thats part of it | 12:57 |
| delinquentme | lulzz got her number | 12:58 |
| delinquentme | FUCK shes a Comp sci kid!?!?! | 12:58 |
| delinquentme | AND SMOKING HOT | 12:58 |
| @fenn | otherwise all i can think of is echo chamber | 12:58 |
| delinquentme | just moved here. | 12:58 |
| ThomasEgi | delinquentme, hot comp sci girl?.. chances are she's not into guys ;) | 12:59 |
| delinquentme | hahahah | 12:59 |
| delinquentme | nah dude I was geeking out w her she was all touchy n shit too | 12:59 |
| delinquentme | GAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 12:59 |
| delinquentme | The world bends. | 12:59 |
| ThomasEgi | someone divided by zero then. | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | ... | 13:00 |
| @nmz787 | lol | 13:00 |
| @fenn | delinquentme: how old are you anyway? | 13:01 |
| @nmz787 | if she's into delinquentme she's gotta be far out | 13:01 |
| delinquentme | fenn 28 | 13:01 |
| delinquentme | hahah nmz787 PREaCH! hahah | 13:01 |
| @nmz787 | delinquentme: i woulda guess 24 | 13:01 |
| delinquentme | hahahaha | 13:01 |
| delinquentme | so far death is losing | 13:01 |
| @nmz787 | lol | 13:01 |
| delinquentme | well in the short term. | 13:01 |
| delinquentme | ok srsly. focus. | 13:01 |
| @fenn | we are all immortal | 13:02 |
| delinquentme | *breathes* | 13:02 |
| @fenn | delinquentme: go run around the block | 13:02 |
| delinquentme | I DID! | 13:02 |
| delinquentme | hahaha | 13:02 |
| delinquentme | I fucking walked away from my computer and wallet | 13:02 |
| delinquentme | stupid instincts | 13:02 |
| gradstudentbot | Hey, does anyone have an extra undergrad? | 13:02 |
| @kanzure | go stare at a blank wall for 5 hours | 13:02 |
| delinquentme | do you feel alive? | 13:03 |
| delinquentme | hahah | 13:03 |
| @fenn | go hook your brain up to an electrode | 13:03 |
| delinquentme | chemicalsssssss | 13:03 |
| delinquentme | im shaking | 13:03 |
| delinquentme | hahaha I LOVEEE ITTTT | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | ugh | 13:03 |
| @fenn | go learn to tapdance and tell us if it's faster than average after being tazed | 13:03 |
| @kanzure | today we've learned that delinquentme doesn't know how to handle relationships or girls | 13:04 |
| @fenn | no, we already knew he's a spazz | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | hahahaha | 13:04 |
| delinquentme | YESSSSSSSS | 13:04 |
| ThomasEgi | my guess upon observing this conversation is: mankind tries to come up with drugs to get the same good feelings like being in a relationship. but without the breakup-pain. | 13:04 |
| @kanzure | uh.. no. | 13:05 |
| @nmz787 | delinquentme: playing in traffic might be more edgy now | 13:05 |
| @fenn | dodging cars is the new rock climbing? | 13:05 |
| @nmz787 | though that buzz is probably associated with evolving to do serial monogamy | 13:06 |
| ThomasEgi | bouldering => lorrying? | 13:06 |
| @nmz787 | parkour | 13:06 |
| @fenn | park whore? | 13:06 |
| @kanzure | i don't really like it when delinquentme shows up to jizz all over everything in here | 13:06 |
| @kanzure | but that's practically all he does | 13:06 |
| delinquentme | ThomasEgi, nah I think the drugs we're after are for effects we want | 13:07 |
| delinquentme | its not advantageous to be tweaking shaky and fight / flight when I'm trying to focus | 13:07 |
| @fenn | hmm. are there any OTC beta blockers? propanolol isnt exactly available at the corner store | 13:08 |
| @fenn | eucommia (chinese rubber tree) bark, one of the fifty fundamental herbs of TCM | 13:13 |
| @fenn | come on, nobody knows anything about beta blockers besides me? | 13:18 |
| @nmz787 | wtf is that? | 13:19 |
| @nmz787 | beta particles? | 13:19 |
| @fenn | le sigh | 13:19 |
| @nmz787 | jk | 13:19 |
| @nmz787 | but nothing specific comes to mind | 13:19 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=107&cp_id=10724 | 13:27 |
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| @nmz787 | fenn: have you ever used comsol? | 13:30 |
| @kanzure | i've used comsol. | 13:30 |
| @nmz787 | i'm trying to find out what air turbulence looks like in an s curve | 13:30 |
| @kanzure | i haven't done turbulence of anything in comsol | 13:30 |
| @nmz787 | eseentially which of these designs would lead to smoother flow | 13:30 |
| @nmz787 | http://pics.tdiclub.com/showphoto.php?photo=89028&title=3-26quot-3b-mk4-tdi-downpipe&cat=5519 | 13:30 |
| @nmz787 | or http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2000-2001-2002-2003-VW-Jetta-TDi-high-flow-performance-converter-ALH-engine-/190731568056?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item2c687cc3b8 | 13:30 |
| @nmz787 | the first having less S shape | 13:31 |
| @nmz787 | so the path length on each side is different | 13:31 |
| @nmz787 | or opposite sides aren't equal at least | 13:31 |
| @nmz787 | kanzure: but I don't see PDMS listed anywhere there | 13:33 |
| @nmz787 | didn't you say pdms in the logs? | 13:33 |
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| @kanzure | i might have. maybe i was wrong? i think it's entirely possible for me to be wrong about a thing. | 13:35 |
| @nmz787 | i think so | 13:36 |
| @nmz787 | using paperbot is like gambling, as it's succesful results seemed to have changed since last week | 13:37 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/17/6959.abstract | 13:37 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Fnar%2F17.17.6959 | 13:37 |
| @kanzure | well, someone needs to fix it | 13:37 |
| @kanzure | i have been astounded by the amount of lazy in this channel | 13:38 |
| @kanzure | you should all be ashamed in yourselves | 13:38 |
| @nmz787 | kanzure: did you ever get this series somehow sometime? http://www.springer.com/series/126 | 13:39 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.springer.com/chemistry/organic+chemistry/book/978-3-211-81255-6 | 13:40 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/40afa26e37bd4c84832b39081d77f3.txt | 13:40 |
| @kanzure | i don't remember | 13:41 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-7091-7083-0_6 | 13:46 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c0c998c8aa37db694f645fe45d279eb5.txt | 13:46 |
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| @nmz787 | fenn no input on S curve vs half S curve turbulence? | 14:11 |
| @nmz787 | kanzure: facebook ping | 14:19 |
| @kanzure | shouldn't you be doing dna things | 14:19 |
| @kanzure | why facebook ping | 14:19 |
| @fenn | larger radius turns have less turbulence.. however the air will take a path of least momentum change so D shaped cross sections are best. are you seriously modeling your car's exhaust in comsol? do something useful | 14:19 |
| @fenn | fwiw the second one looks higher quality | 14:20 |
| @nmz787 | they;re made by same manufacturer, but the second is a different design | 14:21 |
| @nmz787 | bith mandrel bent | 14:21 |
| @nmz787 | both | 14:21 |
| @nmz787 | this problem /does/ seem easier than microfluidics shit | 14:21 |
| @nmz787 | since I only care about the turbulence | 14:21 |
| @fenn | it's pretty much a solved problem | 14:21 |
| @nmz787 | though I guess i could add heat transfer | 14:22 |
| @nmz787 | but I don't have any comsol experience | 14:22 |
| @nmz787 | i watched an hour lecture on youtube | 14:22 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand the facebook thing | 14:22 |
| @kanzure | where am i supposed to be looking | 14:22 |
| @nmz787 | kanzure: a soul needs help with getting a job, doesn't know how to code | 14:22 |
| @nmz787 | i mentioned you | 14:22 |
| @nmz787 | should be in the earth icon | 14:23 |
| @kanzure | it didn't seem to ping me | 14:23 |
| @nmz787 | huh | 14:23 |
| @nmz787 | maybe you're signed into some pseudonomous account? | 14:23 |
| @kanzure | i am signed into facebook.com/kanzure | 14:23 |
| @fenn | btw nmz787 the length of the pipe changes the resonance frequency, which affects at what speed you get the best efficiency/power | 14:24 |
| @fenn | most older cars are tuned for 55 mph which is sort of slow these days | 14:24 |
| @nmz787 | i think not in this case fenn since this is post-turbo | 14:25 |
| @nmz787 | heard it chops up that | 14:25 |
| @fenn | oh right, TDI, duh | 14:25 |
| @nmz787 | seems by upsizing at most i'll achieve lower exhaust temps and thus increase lifespan of turbo | 14:26 |
| @nmz787 | since i'm not adding turbo upgrades or bigger injectors or a chip tune | 14:26 |
| @fenn | shh dont tell ybit | 14:29 |
| @fenn | i lost interest in piston engines when i learned about turbonique and realized the whole industry is fake | 14:30 |
| @bkero | fenn: How about six strokes? | 14:31 |
| @fenn | i dont even know what that is or why it would matter | 14:31 |
| @fenn | heat scavenging? | 14:31 |
| @bkero | efficiency | 14:31 |
| @fenn | yeah, diesel is interesting from an efficiency standpoint, but that's not what most car hobbyists are trying to do | 14:32 |
| @nmz787 | atkinson cycle is close | 14:33 |
| @nmz787 | but you can't double the hp and torque in a prius like you can with this car | 14:33 |
| @fenn | or maybe this is something like an internal combustion stirling engine | 14:34 |
| @nmz787 | (with aforementioned mods) | 14:34 |
| @nmz787 | not including a new clutch and flywheel to take the power | 14:34 |
| @nmz787 | which i just changed 2 years ago | 14:34 |
| @fenn | you'll still get spanked by any stock motorcycle | 14:36 |
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| @nmz787 | yeaa but i do like the cage around me in the car | 14:41 |
| @fenn | the way i see it, you're never going to beat the efficiency of a nuclear/solar/wind powered electric car, and you're never going to beat the power density of rockets (until we get artificial gravity generators) so piston engines are somewhere in the middle | 14:45 |
| @fenn | why not just put rockets on your electric car, with a recuperative diesel cruise engine | 14:45 |
| @nmz787 | >| | 14:47 |
| gradstudentbot | I'll be at the microscope. | 14:47 |
| @fenn | the only sticking point is whether you need to drag the cruise engine around with you all the time, or you're able to plan on cross-country journeys beforehand | 14:47 |
| @fenn | re tDCS: | 14:50 |
| @fenn | Applying the electrodes to the prefrontal cortex can improve learning and increase your working memory. | 14:50 |
| @fenn | Applying them to the motor cortex can raise your threshold for pain and make you more adept with your nondominant hand. | 14:50 |
| @fenn | Position them above the posterior portion of the left perisylvian area (in right-handed people) and they can facilitate language acquisition. | 14:50 |
| @fenn | Stimulation of the parietal cortex can improve numerical reasoning. | 14:50 |
| @kanzure | i don't think those are easily tested at all | 14:51 |
| @kanzure | numerical reasoning could mean anything | 14:51 |
| @kanzure | threshold for pain is not something i'm interested in testing | 14:52 |
| @fenn | name something beneficial that is easy to measure | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | it doesn't have to be beneficial. you just need something equivalent to an "on" light that works. | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | s/light/indicator | 14:52 |
| @fenn | please elaborate | 14:52 |
| @kanzure | beneficial stuff comes later | 14:53 |
| @fenn | oh, i see, like the blinking LED hello world | 14:53 |
| @fenn | but for brain hacking | 14:53 |
| @kanzure | oscilloscope can check if it's "working" but that doesn't tell you if it is working.. | 14:53 |
| @fenn | how about phosphenes, would that be objective enough? | 14:55 |
| @kanzure | yes, that would be fine | 14:56 |
| @fenn | well, that's an observed "side effect" | 14:56 |
| @kanzure | in other words.. not targetable? | 14:57 |
| @fenn | oh, "if the electrode is placed near the eye" so it's not proof of a change in brain activity | 14:57 |
| @kanzure | without targeting i'm not sure what you expect to be able to do with a tdcs cap once you see a phosphene | 14:57 |
| @kanzure | haha what. i'm p. sure i've heard of other tdcs/phosphene things before that were not that. | 14:58 |
| @fenn | okay say you put your electrode on V1 and see phosphenes, does that change your opinion of tDCS? | 14:59 |
| @kanzure | no, i was already aware of phosphene reports | 14:59 |
| @fenn | then you're just willfully ignoring what you already know | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | you were the one asking for something to measure | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | so let's flip this around for a sec | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | with tdcs your plan is to get a bunch of electrodes, get some skull coordinate system, probably stereotactic something system | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | then record where you put the electrodes and what current you're using | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | and then write down what effects you experience? | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | or are you planning on targeting specific cubic volumes of bran matter somehow | 15:01 |
| @kanzure | or what's the plan here | 15:01 |
| @fenn | no, most effects would be difficult to notice | 15:01 |
| @fenn | if my language acquisition rate went up, i have no clue how that would affect my subjective experience | 15:01 |
| @kanzure | what was that story about a tms setup that was able to switch someone's auditory-verbal understanding on/off | 15:02 |
| @kanzure | it was something. it wasn't vision going on/off.. | 15:02 |
| @fenn | oh totally, but TMS works by inhibiting areas | 15:02 |
| @kanzure | different areas of the brain work differently based on what you mean by inhibiting.. for instance, thinking correlates to inhibition. | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | (positively, in the upward direction) | 15:03 |
| @nmz787 | kanzure: i told my friend to come in here on webchat | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | okay i will be extra mean | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | oh you mean your jobless friend | 15:03 |
| @fenn | erm. there's a difference between increasing activity in an area, and overwhelming normal activity with noise | 15:03 |
| @kanzure | what did you want me to do? | 15:03 |
| @fenn | tell him to send a resume in .doc format with embedded malware | 15:04 |
| @nmz787 | he needs to realize he's not stupid and can learn to make good money coding | 15:05 |
| @nmz787 | he had autism/aspergers supposedly when we were kids | 15:05 |
| @fenn | uh, autism doesn't magically go away when you grow up | 15:05 |
| @nmz787 | and i think his mom was overprotective or something, and ruined his confidence | 15:05 |
| @nmz787 | fenn: shh | 15:05 |
| EnLilaSko | A wrong diagnosis might | 15:06 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: that would be a shitty deal. if it did. | 15:06 |
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| @nmz787 | kanzure: he said working from home on coding sounded like a scam | 15:10 |
| @kanzure | hahah | 15:11 |
| @kanzure | ahahaha | 15:11 |
| @nmz787 | thats when i mentioned your name but i guess you can't see it for some reason | 15:12 |
| @kanzure | need to use @ | 15:12 |
| @kanzure | or something. i don't use facebook often. | 15:12 |
| @nmz787 | no it autocompleted your name in the comment | 15:12 |
| @kanzure | so he's saying that i'm the one being scammed? | 15:13 |
| @heath | nmz787: at some point it's up to the other person to decide what they want to do | 15:14 |
| @fenn | well working from work on coding is also an option | 15:14 |
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| @kanzure | how is office life less of a scam? | 15:14 |
| @kanzure | it seems like more of one | 15:14 |
| @fenn | hey at least you don't have to pay for office space | 15:15 |
| @kanzure | "Show up to an office, commute for hours every day, and get paid less"... how is that less of a scam.. | 15:15 |
| @kanzure | hahah | 15:15 |
| @kanzure | "also you need to pay us $100/week for your desk" | 15:15 |
| @kanzure | (that variant is called coworking) | 15:15 |
| @fenn | but coworking is hip and trendy | 15:16 |
| @fenn | everyone's doing it, how could it be a scam? | 15:16 |
| * heath is looking for just one epigenetic mark | 15:20 | |
| @heath | a name prease | 15:20 |
| @kanzure | "At Scamerica Industries, the opportunities are boundless" | 15:20 |
| @kanzure | ask nmz787. he did lots of epigenetic methylation stuff i think. | 15:20 |
| @heath | nmz787: can you name just one epigenetic mark? | 15:20 |
| @heath | h3k27me3 | 15:21 |
| @heath | got it | 15:21 |
| @fenn | heath: what is an epigenetic mark? | 15:22 |
| @heath | proteins which encode instructions for dna to be compacted further or read | 15:22 |
| @heath | fenn: this woman mentions "epigenetics" at least 100 times in a 15min talk | 15:23 |
| @heath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTBg6hqeuTg&list=WL30BBA7FB07F4331D | 15:23 |
| @heath | .title | 15:23 |
| yoleaux | Epigenetics and the influence of our genes: Courtney Griffins at TEDxOU - YouTube | 15:23 |
| * heath was eating dinner and watching the video | 15:24 | |
| * heath returns to other readings while not looking at a computer screen | 15:24 | |
| @fenn | what the hell, youtube-dl doesn't work on ted videos | 15:25 |
| @kanzure | youtube-dl --upgrade | 15:25 |
| @fenn | hm weird it works if i delete the &list= part of the url | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | fenn: so, the only other complaint i have about the proposed method is that you can't really use information found in papers to inform your electrode positioning choices, since targeting isn't really doable yet. there was one paper that did some targetting.. maybe i should go review that. | 15:26 |
| @fenn | you have to change your paradigm of "targeting" | 15:26 |
| @fenn | obviously you're never going to turn on a single cell, that isn't the point | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | i don't mean stereotactic maps are impossible, but rather that given a name of a mm^3 region of brain goo, you can't do much with that. | 15:27 |
| @fenn | the whole idea is you're upregulating the activity of a broad area | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | i don't think you need a single cell, definitely | 15:27 |
| @fenn | believe it or not different swaths of brain do different things | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | yes, well, hitting 30% of the brain in a single blast isn't very useful | 15:27 |
| @fenn | i disagree | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | wh? | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | *why? | 15:28 |
| @fenn | increasing activity in 30% of the brain is useful | 15:28 |
| @fenn | see above list of benefits | 15:28 |
| @fenn | and it seems to be slightly more accurate than that | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | yeah, i pulled the number out of my ass, i don't actually know which number i would be happy about | 15:29 |
| @fenn | fMRI may not be as good as fluorescent calcium reporters in zebrafish, but it works on live humans and doesn't do any damage | 15:30 |
| @kanzure | i think it was http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/tdcs/A%20novel%20array-type%20transcranial%20direct%20current%20stimulation%20(tDCS)%20system%20for%20accurate%20focusing%20on%20targeted%20brain%20areas%20-%202011.pdf | 15:30 |
| @fenn | just because the tools we have aren't perfect doesn't mean we should never use them | 15:30 |
| * fenn mumbles about triple negatives | 15:30 | |
| @fenn | yeah i don't believe that paper | 15:31 |
| @kanzure | what do you not believe about it? | 15:31 |
| @fenn | it treats the brain an an isotropic medium, but tensor imaging shows that's obviously not the case, and further that the structure is different between individuals | 15:32 |
| @kanzure | the structure is different but they were using the scan of a single brain and i think their study was w.r.t that model | 15:33 |
| @kanzure | so that point isn't valid. i think it's okay if we demand everyone gets a brain scan before stimulating it. | 15:33 |
| gradstudentbot | Did you order the carbon nanotubes yet? | 15:33 |
| @fenn | also, even with their bogus assumptions, the specificity still sucks | 15:33 |
| gradstudentbot | If I was your endoplasmic reticulum, would you want me smooth or would you want me rough? | 15:33 |
| @kanzure | i agree that different regions of the brain are more conductive than others, and you can probably measure that under fMRI.. | 15:34 |
| @fenn | pretty sure they just scanned for geometry. see section II-A "since the inhomogeneous electrical conductivity distribution of a | 15:35 |
| @fenn | fucking pdfs | 15:35 |
| @fenn | human head cannot be estimated accurately even with the | 15:35 |
| @fenn | currently best imaging modalities, we used widely accepted | 15:35 |
| @fenn | effective electrical conductivity values of head structures. | 15:35 |
| @kanzure | that probably means skin/scalp/bone stuff and not the brain matter | 15:36 |
| @fenn | yes, it does | 15:36 |
| @fenn | but it shows they didnt even try to measure the brain conductivity itself, or weren't aware of it | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | i'm sure someone has tested the electrical conductivity between regions of the brain | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | and if they haven't then we should get the backyard brains guys to do that with some rabbit/cat brain or something | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | or rhesus brain. | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | i bet you could make an automatic test apparatus that rotates the brain and changes probe insertion points or something | 15:37 |
| @fenn | and anyway, even if you do have a perfect model of a bowl of salty jello, you're never going to be able to focus DC on a single point that isn't close to the surface | 15:37 |
| @fenn | it's just not in the equations | 15:38 |
| @nmz787 | the only epigenetics i've followed is the starving while pregnant influencing insulin regulation in next generation | 15:39 |
| @nmz787 | figure it might impact me since my mom was bulemic during my carriage | 15:39 |
| @fenn | cool | 15:40 |
| @fenn | so you are like an X-men mutant or something? | 15:40 |
| @kanzure | fenn: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/664a7fef7c56221148ab75759d29f431.pdf | 15:42 |
| @fenn | wah, reading is too hard | 15:43 |
| @fenn | someone get to work on artificial genetic memory | 15:44 |
| @fenn | what's the epigenetic differential for "expert neuroscientist" | 15:44 |
| @kanzure | i regret naming files with random hashes | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | why the fuck did you guys let me get away with that | 15:48 |
| @fenn | didn't know they were random until too late | 15:49 |
| @fenn | why didnt you at least use md5? | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | no clue. | 15:50 |
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| anannie | I love this channel | 15:51 |
| anannie | I can't remember the last time I was being challenged like this... | 15:51 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: the other complicating factor- besides just randomly testing different electrode configuration- is that different stimulation patterns are different, and then you have to go through the whole test battery again. | 15:54 |
| @kanzure | fenn: this is partly why i think targeting helps with informed decisions about what stimulation to try | 15:54 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: how would you pick what to stimulate? | 15:54 |
| @fenn | "different stimulation patterns" meaning multiple areas at the same time? | 15:55 |
| @kanzure | i meant duration/timing | 15:55 |
| @fenn | or do you mean stuff like tACS | 15:55 |
| @kanzure | wave shape stuff | 15:55 |
| @kanzure | erm, i mean, timing function | 15:55 |
| @fenn | sure, same thing more or less | 15:55 |
| @kanzure | yeah, in the case of tACS it would be wave shape | 15:55 |
| @fenn | let's make up a new acronym, tPCS | 15:56 |
| @fenn | tMCS | 15:56 |
| @fenn | no that's too close to TMS | 15:56 |
| gradstudentbot | Are there any of those hamster ovaries left? | 15:56 |
| @kanzure | acronyms are dumb. transcranial dc is really obvious. | 15:56 |
| @fenn | any electrical engineer knows there's a world of difference between steady-state DC and some kind of pulse train or waveform with a positive bias | 15:57 |
| @fenn | but they're both technically "DC" so it's ambiguous | 15:57 |
| @fenn | if we're going to try to reduce the parameter space, we need to use some theory. in (ahem) "on intelligence" the idea that all cortical cells are pretty much the same means we can search for the optimal stimulation waveform and use it on any area | 15:59 |
| @fenn | if you're targeting non-cortex then you have to re-do the waveform tests.. | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | there are different regions of the brain that operate very distinctly. some are sparse ensemble encoders that work via inhibitory neurons. others are just the opposite.. i don't see your point. | 16:00 |
| @fenn | i didn't say the whole brain was the same, just the cortex | 16:00 |
| @kanzure | there are many cortexes yo | 16:00 |
| @fenn | bah | 16:01 |
| @fenn | anyway the number of permutations and the testing time are too big and sloppy to feasibly brute force | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | somatosensory cortex, primary motor cortex, auditory cortex, blah blah blah | 16:02 |
| @kanzure | yes, i agree | 16:02 |
| @fenn | anannie: did you decide on a project yet? you wouldn't want to end up like me | 16:03 |
| anannie | fenn: I'm building a hexapod this week | 16:03 |
| anannie | I've been busy with work, so the building bit hasn't happened | 16:04 |
| anannie | but I'm gonna build it | 16:04 |
| @fenn | did you know lego used to have pneumatic components? | 16:04 |
| poppingtonic | has anyone considered studying the relationship between isotropic temperature (through IR emission) regions in the entire nervous system and sensations? | 16:04 |
| anannie | fenn: It still does | 16:04 |
| anannie | fenn: I used to have those | 16:05 |
| @fenn | ouch. well if you can't afford $10 per cylinder, you can use syringes | 16:06 |
| anannie | fenn: Syringes have issues with the gasket breaking down after regular use... | 16:07 |
| @kanzure | fenn: using the same waveform on any region of the brain isn't going to work. can you think of something else? | 16:09 |
| @fenn | poppingtonic: it has more to do with blood flow than temperature, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FNIR | 16:09 |
| @kanzure | there are many studies about different types of neurons and how they behave to different stimulation (while in a dish) | 16:09 |
| @kanzure | so if there's some way that information could be used to make informed decisions somewhere else, that would be useful | 16:09 |
| @fenn | but cortex is mostly pyramidal neurons | 16:10 |
| anannie | poppingtonic: Why did you specify isotropic, btw? | 16:10 |
| @fenn | so who cares what's in the blob of the day | 16:10 |
| @fenn | isotropic usually means the blackbody is in temperature equilibrium (i think) | 16:11 |
| @fenn | or maybe there are crystals that emit directionally? | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | what would the plan be for the problem space anyway? this is a very combinatorial problem. more than there are potential test subjects. | 16:15 |
| poppingtonic | anannie: Because of how information travels between neurons. | 16:15 |
| anannie | poppingtonic: That's a gradient right? | 16:15 |
| @fenn | kanzure: so you're assuming tDCS/tACS has a permanent effect | 16:16 |
| @kanzure | no | 16:16 |
| poppingtonic | anannie: yeah. My explanation is quite lengthy, I'll have to put it up on refheap. | 16:17 |
| @fenn | "A body in the cavity is at thermal equilibrium with the thermal isotropic radiation inside the cavity temperature T of its surrounding." mumble grumble | 16:17 |
| @kanzure | i can imagine effects that last for a few seconds during stimulation, that last for a few minutes after stimulation, that last a few hours after stimulation, some that are permanent, others that occur only after 20 minutes of stimulation and only then for 15 seconds, etc. | 16:17 |
| @kanzure | this is why i think we need to be able to model parts of the brain and then predict what stimulation will do, or ways to break its normal operation | 16:18 |
| @kanzure | and then repeat that in a physical test | 16:18 |
| @fenn | i bet most of the effects are of duration 1-2 days and don't appear for several hours | 16:18 |
| @fenn | since it seems to be based on genetic transcription (for tDCS at least, dunno about tACS) | 16:19 |
| @kanzure | transcription..? according to a paper? | 16:19 |
| @fenn | yeah haven't you read any of the papers? supposedly it activates BDNF (a protein hormone) | 16:20 |
| @kanzure | i have been occupied with a totally different set of things in working memory today | 16:20 |
| @fenn | but there could be other mechanisms at work in addition to BDNF | 16:22 |
| @fenn | want to study it? add another 1000 free parameters to your testing regime | 16:22 |
| @fenn | poppingtonic: also considering that the only source of energy in the brain is oxygen, fMRI is mathematically equivalent to your idea, since burning more oxygen means more energy is emitted | 16:25 |
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| poppingtonic | fenn: there's another source of energy: light from the eyes. I think this is overlooked. | 16:28 |
| @fenn | um, what? | 16:28 |
| poppingtonic | https://www.refheap.com/17074 | 16:28 |
| @fenn | are you a breatharian? | 16:29 |
| poppingtonic | what is that? | 16:29 |
| @fenn | uh, it doesn't matter | 16:29 |
| @fenn | anyway you're vastly overestimating the signal to noise ratio available from (non-calorimeter) temperature measurements | 16:30 |
| @fenn | let's make it easy, say you have a slice of neural tissue culture firing away on a microscope slide, and you point your microbolometer array at it | 16:31 |
| poppingtonic | Oh, No no, I'm not a breatharian. | 16:32 |
| @fenn | after a neuron fires, its temperature increases by, oh, let's say one microjoule | 16:32 |
| poppingtonic | uh huh | 16:32 |
| @fenn | hrm units units | 16:33 |
| @kanzure | you should bug superkuh to say things about that | 16:34 |
| poppingtonic | wow I just realized how speculative I was getting. | 16:36 |
| @fenn | oh, water is 4.18J/g | 16:37 |
| @fenn | degree | 16:37 |
| @fenn | guh | 16:37 |
| @fenn | i hate temperature units | 16:38 |
| @kanzure | make your own | 16:39 |
| @kanzure | and make sure it resolves to bits somehow | 16:39 |
| poppingtonic | fenn: I understand how it would be extremely difficult to measure, since a synapse is such a tiny region of space, surrounded by a mass of (non-uniformly) heat-absorbent meat. I'd underestimated the s/n ratio. Some time in the future, maybe it'll be possible to run such an experiment and not get useless noisy data. | 16:40 |
| @fenn | i'm not sure you'd ever get useful data out, even with perfect sensors | 16:41 |
| @fenn | mostly because of the opacity of the skull, and of the brain itself | 16:42 |
| @fenn | the CLARITY technique is useful because it makes the whole brain have the same refractive index (and thus it becomes clear to visible light) | 16:43 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: ping | 16:43 |
| poppingtonic | anannie: thanks for that link. Awesome. | 16:43 |
| @kanzure | fenn: http://superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Lipid%20Membrane/A%20note%20on%20the%20local%20current%20associated%20with%20the%20rising%20phase%20of%20a%20propagating%20impulse%20in%20nonmyelinated%20nerve%20fibers_%20tasak.pdf | 16:44 |
| @fenn | i'm not sure what the transmittance (opacity) spectrum of the brain looks like | 16:44 |
| @fenn | kanzure: is this for calculating the temperature rise or what? | 16:45 |
| @kanzure | sort of. i'm trying to find the things superkuh would say if he was here. | 16:45 |
| @kanzure | this isn't exactly the reference i was hoping for. but his collection was stolen/deleted a few years ago. | 16:45 |
| @fenn | there's a lot more energy dissipated beyond just ohmic heating | 16:46 |
| @fenn | by "a lot" i mean miniscule amounts, but relatively larger | 16:46 |
| @fenn | heh i just got the "make sure it resolves to bits" reference | 16:48 |
| @kanzure | all temperature things can eventually be resolved as being something to do with entropy and bits | 16:49 |
| @kanzure | (insert handwaving here) | 16:49 |
| @fenn | what is the entropy of one hand waving | 16:49 |
| @kanzure | 1 | 16:49 |
| @fenn | if a hand waves on the internet, does anybody care? | 16:49 |
| @fenn | how many hands waving does it take to screw in a light bulb | 16:49 |
| poppingtonic | kanzure it's 1/2 | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | well to be honest i was trying to get him to complain about my unitless value | 16:50 |
| @fenn | all units are unitless, dude | 16:50 |
| poppingtonic | we all know it's in bits.. | 16:51 |
| @fenn | it's like, natural | 16:51 |
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| gradstudentbot | You know, I can just do consulting. | 16:52 |
| @fenn | GNU units doesn't have some of the weirder information theory units | 16:53 |
| @kanzure | definitely a bug | 16:53 |
| @kanzure | "Mechanical changes in squid giant axons associated with production of action potentials." | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | "Rapid structural changes in nerve fibers and cells associated with their excitation process." | 16:55 |
| @fenn | why is it "polycarbonate transmittance spectrum" has tons of graphs popping right up, but "neural tissue transmittance spectrum" is a bog of bogus results | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | grr aptitude Fetched 1,314 MB in 1h 3min 51s (343 kB/s) | 16:57 |
| @fenn | upgrading? | 16:57 |
| poppingtonic | why polycarbonate? | 16:57 |
| @kanzure | it wants me to remove openoffice.org-base.. i wonder if debian jessie is switching to freelibreoffice or whatever. | 16:58 |
| @kanzure | yeah, i decided to make the jump from wheezy to jessie | 16:58 |
| @fenn | poppingtonic: it's just a random optically clear material i picked | 16:58 |
| @fenn | i haven't needed to use openoffice for, well, ever | 16:59 |
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| @fenn | if i need to preserve formatting in a .doc i use google docs and "save as" | 16:59 |
| @kanzure | hehehe http://russian.alibaba.com/ | 17:00 |
| @fenn | why is that funny? | 17:00 |
| @kanzure | it's like the best of the seedy crap the russians do, with the wide spectrum of bulk availability on everything of chinese alibaba | 17:01 |
| @kanzure | "you want russian dna synthesizer? here you go, five dollar." | 17:02 |
| @kanzure | also, i visited mom's shop the other day. i haven't been there in about 10 years. | 17:02 |
| @fenn | poppingtonic: another minor error you made is that not all neurotransmitters are charge carriers, for example serotonin has no charge | 17:02 |
| tomkinsc | paperbot: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=64354&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D64354 | 17:02 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2F3.64354 | 17:02 |
| @kanzure | i'm not sure why she has a $50,000 saw http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Holz-Her-1485-Triathlon-edgebander-/281081500913?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4171c354f1 | 17:03 |
| poppingtonic | hmmm... | 17:03 |
| @fenn | so paperbot definitely shouldn't redirect a request for ieee to scimag/get.php right? | 17:04 |
| @kanzure | well. | 17:04 |
| @kanzure | fenn: see pm | 17:04 |
| poppingtonic | that was an error, yes. | 17:05 |
| @kanzure | okay that's all | 17:05 |
| @kanzure | i think uploading to libgen should be disabled for now | 17:05 |
| @kanzure | it's a minor change to paperbot but nobody has done it yet | 17:05 |
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| @kanzure | paperbot: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=64354&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D64354 | 17:05 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2F3.64354 | 17:05 |
| @kanzure | oh also i don't know if ParahSail1n made it circumvent my ieee-login-url-fixer | 17:06 |
| poppingtonic | kanzure: paperbot works that quickly? Me likey. | 17:06 |
| @kanzure | poppingtonic: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 17:07 |
| @kanzure | poppingtonic: i'm in the middle of a rewrite into javascript | 17:07 |
| @kanzure | actually cogitokat wrote a lot of javascript for this rewrite | 17:07 |
| @kanzure | i guess she's busy playing dead at the moment | 17:10 |
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| fenn | pardon the obvious question, where's the rewrite? last commit to paperbot.git was 22 days ago (in python) | 17:10 |
| @kanzure | not public yet, i wanted to get the architecture right | 17:10 |
| fenn | gah i have no idea how to use github anymore | 17:11 |
| @kanzure | just ask | 17:11 |
| fenn | i just couldnt figure out what to click on to see a diff | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | i usually just type the url i want | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/:username/:reponame/commit/:commit_id.diff | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/commit/b6977593cd222d6d30b58566cdb478c9d7466882.diff | 17:13 |
| fenn | yeah well i just flip the switches in binary on front of my mainframe that runs the universe | 17:13 |
| cogitokat | impressive | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | you mean an IBM S/360? sure whatever man :) | 17:14 |
| fenn | the S stands for "solipsist" | 17:14 |
| @kanzure | i wouldn't like github at all if i couldn't just type out the urls i want | 17:15 |
| @kanzure | meanwhile sourceforge is still http://project.cvs.viewcvsweb.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/cvs/project/viewcvs.cgi/cgi-bin/TRUNK/myfile.c?diff | 17:16 |
| fenn | they get a dollar every time you type "cvs" | 17:16 |
| @kanzure | don't let the javascript rewrite stop you from hacking paperbot into working. | 17:17 |
| @kanzure | because this pile of javascript is only for fetching | 17:17 |
| @ParahSail1n | hm i already started a rewrite | 17:18 |
| @kanzure | i call it papermonk | 17:18 |
| @kanzure | and then something else will get to be called paperpunk | 17:18 |
| fenn | shouldnt it be paperjunk | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | no | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | man you just shot me down on those two names | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | i thought i was doing good | 17:20 |
| cogitokat | fenn doesn't understand ): | 17:20 |
| fenn | i thought "j for javascript, p for python, m for ... " | 17:20 |
| @kanzure | oh, yeah, i don't know how to mentally resolve that conflict | 17:21 |
| fenn | but i couldn't think of any programming languages with M besides matlab and ML, and those didnt make any sense | 17:21 |
| @kanzure | i started naming my git repos python-whatever.git and then it would provide a "whatever" python egg. | 17:21 |
| @kanzure | but then what is papermonk? node-papermonk? it runs in browsers too, so what's so node about it? | 17:21 |
| poppingtonic | what about Malbolge? | 17:23 |
| poppingtonic | paperclunk (clojure) | 17:23 |
| @kanzure | i don't want to write in clojure | 17:23 |
| poppingtonic | um, what? | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 17:24 |
| poppingtonic | everybody should want to write in clojure :) | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | the reason i chose javascript was because i could use my library to replace all of zotero's translators | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | and then i can have zotero's 300,000 users maintain my scrapers for me | 17:24 |
| @kanzure | imho their javascript infrastructure sucks a lot | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | i don't think they even planned it out originally | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | so the advantage of doing it this way is that i don't have to manually write scrapers for 300 academic publishers and their shitty html | 17:25 |
| fenn | is it even possible to plan out a scraping system before you start? | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | zotero has shown that you don't require that many functions | 17:25 |
| @kanzure | the way i have written the js version is highly modular | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | each scraper is a separate module up on npmjs.org | 17:26 |
| poppingtonic | whoever wants to write for specific publisher can do it themselves? | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | and then there's a meta package (papermonk) that depends on all of those | 17:26 |
| fenn | so are you rewriting zotero now? | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | not quite | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | zotero is still a firefox extension | 17:26 |
| fenn | um, the zotero backend then | 17:26 |
| @kanzure | sure. paperbot already does that in a few places. and why have both javascript and python doing the same thing? | 17:27 |
| fenn | maybe this explains why i can't figure out what's going on in the existing codebase | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | paperbot uses zotero translation-server to try zotero translators, then falls back to python, then falls back to scihub | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | did you look at the README? | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | the reason you don't understand it is because the code is a bunch of bullshit | 17:27 |
| @kanzure | and poorly written | 17:27 |
| fenn | i never actually looked at translation-server | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | it's awful | 17:29 |
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| @kanzure | to see it in action.. try this in python: | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | import requests; import json; response = requests.post("http://gnusha.org:1969/web", data=json.dumps({"url": "http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v5/n10/full/nnano.2010.193.html", "sessionid": "what"}), headers={"Content-Type": "application/json"}); print response.content | 17:29 |
| @kanzure | if you don't have requests then you are a bad person and should sudo pip install requests or sudo apt-get install python-requests | 17:30 |
| fenn | is there a safer way of transforming json into a data structure besides 'eval'? | 17:34 |
| @heath | JSON.parse | 17:39 |
| @heath | /maybe? | 17:39 |
| fenn | in python. i'm messing with json.loads() right now but it's being annoying | 17:43 |
| @heath | ooh ipython, how i love thee | 17:44 |
| fenn | "Since the JSON specs specifically state strings as Unicode simplejson should return Unicode objects." this is bullshit | 17:45 |
| fenn | the whole point of JSON is readability, so adding u' to everything is just dumb | 17:46 |
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| fenn | <-- ascii chauvinist | 17:47 |
| fenn | maybe this is just a python issue, nevermind | 17:48 |
| @kanzure | import simple json; simplejson.load() | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | python3 is what you want | 17:49 |
| @kanzure | u'' is just a unicode object and python3 fixes this | 17:49 |
| fenn | right | 17:49 |
| fenn | simplejson returns strings, whereas the json module returns unicode objects | 17:50 |
| fenn | where do things like "volume":"5","pages":"712-717" come from? | 17:52 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: those are directly from the zotero translators | 17:55 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/zotero/translators | 17:55 |
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| @kanzure | there are many problems with these, like (1) they don't have a lot of unit tests, (2) it's really hard to run all of the tests and to see the status, (3) there's no test data other than fetching all the content each time (no fixture data of historical html to check if old stuff still works, in case they revert), (4) hard to run a url against them to see which ones claim to support that url, (5) impossible to use this outside the context of ... | 17:56 |
| @kanzure | ... the zotero firefox extension (even though it's supposed to be normal javascript) | 17:56 |
| @kanzure | example: https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/ScienceDirect.js | 17:57 |
| @kanzure | oh also (6) none of this follows modern javascript development practices | 17:57 |
| @kanzure | and (7) it's non-obvious how to fix things without reading all of the zotero documentation, because of their wacky system | 17:57 |
| @kanzure | "doWeb" is a terrible name. | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | also (8) their scrapers- for whatever reason- directly call zotero functions that have nothing to do with scraping (wtf) | 17:58 |
| fenn | not minifying your code would be a good step towards maintainability | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | none of this is minified | 17:58 |
| @kanzure | unless you found some? | 17:59 |
| fenn | i'm looking at github.com/zotero/translators.git | 17:59 |
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| @kanzure | in javascript land minified has a very specific meaning | 17:59 |
| fenn | unction flatten(c){var b=new Array();for(var d in c){var e=c[d];if(e instanceof Ar | 17:59 |
| fenn | ray){b=b.concat(flatten(e))}else{b.push(e)}}return b}var FW={_scrapers:new Array()};FW._Base=function(){this.call | 17:59 |
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| @kanzure | where is that? | 17:59 |
| fenn | National Archives of the United States.js and other places | 18:00 |
| fenn | i just did "grep pages ./" and got reams of spew | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/National%20Archives%20of%20the%20United%20States.js | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | i like how it's not commented | 18:00 |
| @kanzure | and at the end there's a Zotero.wait()... even better. :( | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | haha they just have test urls in comments | 18:01 |
| fenn | what do you think the /* FW LINE 51:6e1628381879 */ means? | 18:01 |
| @kanzure | line number and commit id.. but i have no idea why. | 18:02 |
| fenn | like, "this is what it looked like before we mangled the shit out of it"? | 18:02 |
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| @kanzure | that isn't a commit id in its history https://github.com/zotero/translators/commits/master/National%20Archives%20of%20the%20United%20States.js | 18:02 |
| fenn | it could be a commit in another repo | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | not worth it | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | this isn't salvageable | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: what do you wanna do about the duplicate rewrites | 18:04 |
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| @kanzure | i'll accept merging duties because it isn't like me to not publish a rewrite immediately | 18:05 |
| fenn | poppingtonic: if you don't know about this, you might find it interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography | 18:07 |
| fenn | i wonder if google refine (formerly gridworks) would be the right way to go about creating translators | 18:13 |
| fenn | i mean if it's going to be opaque auto-generated code anyway | 18:14 |
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| @kanzure | it's not auto-generated | 18:26 |
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| @ParahSail1n | nah, we'll go with your rewrite | 18:32 |
| @kanzure | okay | 18:33 |
| @ParahSail1n | is your rewrite going to try to keep some compatbility with zotero translators? | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | no | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | unless you be more specific? | 18:50 |
| @ParahSail1n | nah, just checking | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | i don't see a good way to do it | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | i think zotero's translation framework needs to be an actual framework | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | that uses commonjs to guide how they write things | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | the upgrade to jessie destroyed or lost all of my gnome-terminal color preferences | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | i guess that's what i get for using fucking gnome-terminal. what a terrible idea. | 18:53 |
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| @nmz787 | kanzure: how does this work? http://www.maxmax.com/aMagicMindRead.htm | 19:00 |
| @nmz787 | this is the explanation it gives, but I don't see any javascript | 19:00 |
| @nmz787 | http://www.maxmax.com/aMagicMindReading.htm | 19:01 |
| cogitokat | um I think it changes all the cards d: | 19:04 |
| yashgaroth | oh man that brings me back | 19:04 |
| cogitokat | If you write down what all the cards are and then click through, all of them are different. It's just hard to keep track of the ones you did not pick. | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | "As many as 24 players could be suspended as soon as Friday in the performance enhancing drugs scandal that is enveloping Major League Baseball." | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | hahah "Former Biogenesis employee Porter Fischer tried to sell Yankees star Alex Rodriguez documents for $1 million | 19:09 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis_of_America "Several employees quit in the fall of 2012 after they were not paid" | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | beautiful | 19:10 |
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| @kanzure | https://www.facebook.com/pages/Biogenesis/509527172397628 | 19:12 |
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| @nmz787 | i made a 90 degree bent tube in autodesk http://imgur.com/4mKBteB,FqbLDJm | 20:25 |
| @nmz787 | processing in comsol now with turbulent flow setting | 20:26 |
| @nmz787 | had to transfer it via iges, because the autodesk version is too new | 20:26 |
| @nmz787 | well this isn't simple | 20:40 |
| @kanzure | is this for the car or for the other machine | 20:55 |
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| @nmz787 | well just trying things | 21:00 |
| @nmz787 | there's a demo of water in a pipe that has a lot more crap than I woulda thought to add to the comsol menu list thing | 21:01 |
| @nmz787 | seems like it's gonna take a while to solve | 21:18 |
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| * heath sucks at regex | 21:23 | |
| @kanzure | chances are high that regex is the wrong choice anyway | 21:24 |
| * heath fetches http://libgen.info/view.php?id=897897 | 21:25 | |
| @heath | if you're in python, correct | 21:25 |
| @heath | if you're using the immature node ecosystem, and you don't have a decent robotsparser... | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | how about require("robots") | 21:27 |
| @heath | hah | 21:28 |
| klafka | man it seems to me that # of cores hasn't really kept pace with amount of memory needed | 21:29 |
| * klafka really wants an ec2 instance with 256gb of ram | 21:29 | |
| @kanzure | maybe you are just buying the wrong computers | 21:30 |
| klafka | i'm not buying computers | 21:30 |
| @kanzure | i think jrayhawk recently acquired himself a 32 core thing? | 21:30 |
| klafka | well i have a 32 core machine | 21:30 |
| klafka | but only 144gb ram | 21:30 |
| klafka | that's only 4.5gb per core | 21:31 |
| klafka | wow wait nvm | 21:32 |
| klafka | they upgraded them to 244 | 21:32 |
| klafka | oh cool | 21:32 |
| klafka | Mem[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||226053/245751MB] :( | 21:32 |
| valyap | we should genetically engineer some bacteria | 21:36 |
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| klafka | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/oakland-accepts-federal-funds-for-controversial-vast-surveillance-setup/ | 22:17 |
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| AshleyWaffle | http://www.foc.us/ | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | check the logs, etc.. | 23:22 |
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