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| fredox | anannie: short answer - signal strength. needs supercondutors | 00:11 |
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| anannie | fredox: can't you create a loop and amplify whatever tiny amount of current is generated? | 00:12 |
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| anannie | fredox: How low is the amount of current generated? | 00:13 |
| fredox | its so small the resistance of silver is enough too block it | 00:13 |
| fredox | like uA or less | 00:14 |
| fredox | at mV | 00:14 |
| fredox | in pulses measured in ms | 00:14 |
| fredox | multiply together = ~0 | 00:14 |
| anannie | So can we use gold? | 00:14 |
| anannie | we use a fine gold wire with a large number of coils | 00:15 |
| fredox | golds worse than silver | 00:15 |
| anannie | and optimize the dimensions of the wire for this | 00:15 |
| fredox | big superconductor based detectors can pick up the heartbeat from 6ft away | 00:16 |
| anannie | oh sorry forgot about that | 00:16 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't know what to tell you, I thought would have graduated by now. | 00:16 |
| gradstudentbot | The culture got contaminated. | 00:17 |
| anannie | how about this fredox I could put in a silver plate and let it generate eddy currents in that...? | 00:17 |
| anannie | maybe if I detect the eddy currents by a secondary apparatus I'll be able to pick out the signal? | 00:17 |
| anannie | nah that won't work | 00:18 |
| anannie | what about just picking up the EM field generated by the heart using an antenna? | 00:18 |
| anannie | an antenna is a completely different configuration | 00:20 |
| anannie | as compared to a coil hoping to induce current using a magnetic field | 00:20 |
| anannie | will that pick things up fredox ? | 00:20 |
| fredox | yes | 00:21 |
| fredox | will it pick up enough of a signal to distinguish it from background radiation, probably not | 00:22 |
| fredox | unless as mentioned earlier its a superconducting antenna | 00:22 |
| anannie | but if it's pressed against the chest surely I can filer out the background radiation? | 00:23 |
| anannie | * filter | 00:23 |
| anannie | background radiation is more or less constant | 00:23 |
| anannie | this is variable and closer | 00:24 |
| anannie | I'm talking about shrinking all of this and turning it into a pendant that can be worn around the neck | 00:24 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://eprint.iacr.org/2013/451 | 04:01 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Candidate%20Indistinguishability%20Obfuscation%20and%20Functional%20Encryption%20for%20all%20circuits.pdf | 04:01 |
| poppingtonic | .title | 04:02 |
| yoleaux | poppingtonic: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page. | 04:02 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6145/534.full | 04:11 |
| paperbot | http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sci/341/6145/534.full.pdf | 04:11 |
| gradstudentbot | I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space. | 04:15 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4471-4402-1_15#page-1 | 04:38 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2F978-1-4471-4402-1_15 | 04:39 |
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| rigel | anyone following the cultured beef story? | 05:44 |
| rigel | fwiw, i think it's pretty hilarious. | 06:17 |
| rigel | a bunch of hype about a lab grown beef slab | 06:17 |
| rigel | and they just avoid talking about the fact that they needed a bunch of FBS and antibiotics to grow it in the first place | 06:17 |
| rigel | so, ethical "benefits" are out the window, as are resource use arguments, since it still requires baby cows | 06:18 |
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| @kanzure | paperbot: http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1002107#s5 | 06:56 |
| paperbot | TypeError: descriptor 'find' requires a 'str' object but received a 'unicode' (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 55, in <lambda>) | 06:56 |
| @kanzure | .title http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1002107#s5 | 06:57 |
| yoleaux | PLOS Computational Biology: Models of Neocortical Layer 5b Pyramidal Cells Capturing a Wide Range of Dendritic and Perisomatic Active Properties | 06:57 |
| @kanzure | https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/08/04/investigating-security-vulnerability-report/ | 07:13 |
| @kanzure | http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-53.html | 07:13 |
| @kanzure | http://tsyrklevich.net/tbb_payload.txt "This is an annotation and very brief analysis of the payload used by the Tor Browser Bundle exploit" | 07:13 |
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| @kanzure | .title http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/barsmonster/595624345 | 07:33 |
| yoleaux | The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404) | 07:33 |
| @kanzure | .title http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/barsmonster/595624345?token=6d71abcc | 07:33 |
| yoleaux | OpenASIC : technology for DIY microchip manufacturing by Mikhail Svarichevskiy — Kickstarter | 07:33 |
| @kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/open-equipment | 07:35 |
| gradstudentbot | Seriously, who moved my samples? | 07:35 |
| @kanzure | oh nevermind.. seems to just be our regulars there. | 07:35 |
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| gradstudentbot | I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself. | 07:38 |
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| @kanzure | drazak: welcome back? | 08:46 |
| drazak | kanzure: kinda, long time no see | 08:46 |
| @kanzure | sup/how goes? | 08:47 |
| drazak | not bad, living in vancouver | 08:47 |
| drazak | thinking of going back to college | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | have you met derek jacoby? | 08:47 |
| drazak | not yet | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | he's somewhere in vancouver doing a biotech hackerspace | 08:47 |
| drazak | oh cool | 08:48 |
| drazak | will have to find out about that | 08:48 |
| drazak | decided to trawl through recent diybio posts | 08:48 |
| drazak | you saw the one from avery louie the other day? | 08:48 |
| drazak | that gel is fucking awful | 08:48 |
| @kanzure | haha | 08:48 |
| drazak | tell me I'm wrong :P | 08:49 |
| @kanzure | nope | 08:49 |
| @kanzure | avery tends to be methodical, so i'm not sure what's going wrong here | 08:50 |
| drazak | I should ask for a copy of his proceedures and see what I can find | 08:50 |
| drazak | kanzure: is there sitll a fucking top posting argument going on as well? | 08:51 |
| drazak | there's like 1/10 posts that're top posted | 08:52 |
| @kanzure | unfortunately nobody understood what top/bottom posting meant | 08:52 |
| drazak | yeah | 08:53 |
| drazak | and leitl coming in and rules naziing, which is good | 08:53 |
| drazak | (about top posting ironically) | 08:53 |
| drazak | kanzure: you know I speak my mind on these things, too, if your work looks awful I'm gonna tell you it's fucking awful | 09:00 |
| @kanzure | hm? | 09:01 |
| @kanzure | if you have some criticism, pile it on | 09:01 |
| @kanzure | but i don't see anything yet? | 09:01 |
| drazak | oh I'm gonna post in a sec | 09:01 |
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| drazak | kanzure: too scathing? | 09:38 |
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| @kanzure | drazak: no, that was pretty light | 09:46 |
| @kanzure | drazak: i expected more from you | 09:46 |
| drazak | kanzure: meh I didn't want to dig too hard in my first post in... 3 years? | 09:47 |
| @kanzure | nobody will remembre you | 09:47 |
| @kanzure | *remember you | 09:47 |
| drazak | yeah I know | 09:47 |
| drazak | kanzure: to be frank if people posted their lab notebook with their experiment that'd be great | 09:48 |
| drazak | kanzure: because otherwise nobody has any idea what in the fuck they're doing | 09:49 |
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| @kanzure | agreed | 09:51 |
| drazak | kanzure: you see the one the other day about someone looking for bacteria for a control? | 09:56 |
| @kanzure | a control? | 09:57 |
| @kanzure | oh, a control in a project | 09:57 |
| @kanzure | no | 09:57 |
| drazak | er, bacterial dna as a control | 09:57 |
| drazak | not the bug | 09:57 |
| @kanzure | nope. why do you mention it? | 09:57 |
| drazak | but you could just culture the bacteria and extract the dna | 09:57 |
| drazak | looked like it was bsl2 bacteria, prolly gonna have a hard time getting it without having a lab | 09:58 |
| drazak | pretty sure some bacteria is gonna cost a lot less than the bacterial dna | 09:59 |
| @kanzure | we should be working on that synthesizer | 10:00 |
| drazak | there's a synthesizer project? | 10:01 |
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| @kanzure | yes | 10:04 |
| drazak | link? | 10:05 |
| drazak | please tell it's not just another thread on diybio | 10:06 |
| @kanzure | it's not. | 10:06 |
| @kanzure | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkTsdtdxo56DdDFCUmNqMzVyYi04eGw4cUJ6bG1KMlE#gid=0 | 10:06 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf | 10:06 |
| drazak | also how does paperbot work? it's "new" | 10:06 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 10:06 |
| drazak | ah | 10:09 |
| drazak | nice nod to venter | 10:10 |
| @kanzure | we were talking with his company but the call didn't go well (ancient history) | 10:11 |
| drazak | lol | 10:12 |
| drazak | didn't you meet him once | 10:12 |
| @kanzure | nope not venter | 10:12 |
| drazak | have you actually gotten anywhere with microfluidic chips | 10:12 |
| @kanzure | no, i don't think microfluidics is the right v1 | 10:12 |
| drazak | agreed | 10:12 |
| drazak | the problem with the oone time costs method | 10:13 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 10:13 |
| drazak | is that you also need a nice microscope to check if your microfluidics arrays are correct | 10:13 |
| drazak | page 21 of your pdf | 10:13 |
| @kanzure | that's okay, i am willing to own a nice microscope | 10:13 |
| drazak | oh? you are? I'm surprised :P | 10:13 |
| @kanzure | why's that? | 10:14 |
| drazak | I'm kidding | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | the real problem with microfluidics is the number of revisions to get it to work, and the cost per revision | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | per prototype i mean | 10:14 |
| drazak | yea | 10:14 |
| drazak | h | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | and then the number of bugs that will pop up that you can't fix | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | i mean, there's enough problems with the chemistry itself | 10:14 |
| drazak | it's pretty bad | 10:15 |
| @kanzure | a 12 step process with 5 inputs? yeah, good luck. | 10:15 |
| drazak | my uncle had some arrays way back when | 10:15 |
| drazak | it was like 2 inputs and all it had to do was let cells adhere to it | 10:15 |
| drazak | so they could pass other cells through it | 10:15 |
| drazak | and it took 30ish revisions | 10:16 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis.html | 10:16 |
| drazak | fix mod_rewrite | 10:16 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 10:16 |
| drazak | gets rid of the .html at the end | 10:16 |
| @kanzure | that already works, though | 10:17 |
| @kanzure | maybe i wanted to type .html? | 10:17 |
| drazak | oh ok | 10:17 |
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| @kanzure | 16:22 <cpopell> got any work for physics/math types to do? | 11:26 |
| @kanzure | yes, i think so. | 11:26 |
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| gradstudentbot | Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't know, but I'll have to look into that. | 11:29 |
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| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/bosslab-alternative-logo-01.png | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/bosslab-alternative-logo-02.png | 11:33 |
| heath | the first | 11:39 |
| heath | they should probably get me to design stuff for them | 11:40 |
| heath | http://i.imgur.com/4vGNKU7.png | 11:40 |
| heath | or just use a css framework :) | 11:40 |
| heath | er, i realize a css framework isn't how you create logos | 11:41 |
| heath | http://dna19.biodesign.asu.edu/contractus.html | 11:43 |
| heath | .title | 11:43 |
| yoleaux | DNA19.biodesign.asu.edu | 11:43 |
| heath | http://www.cs.duke.edu/FNANO/ | 11:43 |
| heath | .title | 11:43 |
| yoleaux | FNANO14 | 11:43 |
| heath | two confs i'd like to attend this year | 11:43 |
| heath | hrm, http://ppage.psystems.eu/ | 11:45 |
| heath | .title | 11:45 |
| yoleaux | Home - The P Systems Webpage | 11:45 |
| heath | i take it everyone saw this at some point: http://rendell-attic.org/gol/tm.htm | 11:51 |
| heath | .title | 11:51 |
| yoleaux | A Turing Machine in Conway's Game of Life, extendable to a Universal Turing Machine | 11:51 |
| gradstudentbot | Man, if only I could biopsy his organs. | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | .title https://www.cryptocloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2894&p=3852#p3852 | 11:59 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: Sorry, that command (.title) took too long to process. | 12:00 |
| chris_99 | ironically a site with the title cryptocloud seems to load properly using http rather than https | 12:00 |
| @kanzure | well, there's https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6161420 instead | 12:00 |
| chris_99 | any opinions on this (forgive the source ;) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2384715/At-tastes-meat--Worlds-test-tube-artificial-beef-Googleburger-gets-GOOD-review-eaten-time.html | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | no, i shall not forgive that source | 12:06 |
| chris_99 | haha | 12:06 |
| chris_99 | i'm curious how fast that kind of tissue would grow | 12:07 |
| ParahSailin | you will never produce tissue culture muscle flesh cheaper than chicken meat from entire animals | 12:10 |
| chris_99 | even if you could scale it up massively | 12:12 |
| ParahSailin | your feed conversion rate will always suck | 12:13 |
| heath | .title http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4756 | 12:13 |
| yoleaux | [1212.4756] One Tile to Rule Them All: Simulating Any Turing Machine, Tile Assembly System, or Tiling System with a Single Puzzle Piece | 12:13 |
| ParahSailin | all those "extra, icky parts" that animals have that you don't like to eat are things that you'll have to do yourself, less efficiently in industrial chemical processes | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | mm, i guess it depends what kind of meat you're trying to simulate though | 12:21 |
| chris_99 | what actually defines speed that cells can replicate at? | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | *the speed | 12:24 |
| gradstudentbot | I had to remind my professor who I was today. | 12:25 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, there's a clear trend. | 12:27 |
| @nmz787 | drazak: vancouver WA or BC? | 12:30 |
| @nmz787 | fredox: yes kanzure was right, i've been targeting 1 micron cubed, it has millisecond diffusion times, and reagent savings are 10^6 even with like 66% yield per addition step | 12:31 |
| @nmz787 | over $.30 per base | 12:31 |
| rigel | ParahSailin: the use of FBS, as i noted above, was critical to this lab-beef (as it is to much of tissue culture) | 12:32 |
| rigel | i liken it to building a giant fan to power your windmills | 12:32 |
| ParahSailin | rigel: yeah pretty much | 12:32 |
| @nmz787 | why dont people just grow CNS deficient cows? | 12:32 |
| ParahSailin | have you seen how dumb cows are? | 12:32 |
| @nmz787 | but the arguments are about pain or ending their consciousness | 12:33 |
| ParahSailin | oh | 12:33 |
| @nmz787 | so just remove that sensor | 12:33 |
| rigel | there are two arguments | 12:33 |
| rigel | one is about ethics | 12:33 |
| ParahSailin | well thats just silliness and irrational sentiments | 12:33 |
| @nmz787 | isnt the ethics one re pain? | 12:33 |
| rigel | the other is about resource costs and meeting demand, which is supposed to increase | 12:33 |
| @nmz787 | no nerves, no pain | 12:33 |
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| rigel | the ethics one is mooted by the use of FBS | 12:33 |
| chris_99 | what's CNS nmz787? | 12:33 |
| @nmz787 | no one bitches about all the soy babies 'edamame' people eat | 12:34 |
| @nmz787 | central nervous system | 12:34 |
| rigel | i made a joke about how if you don't name the cow it doesnt have a soul yet | 12:34 |
| @nmz787 | rigel: ahh i see, diff issue | 12:34 |
| chris_99 | how would that work, nmz787? | 12:34 |
| ParahSailin | oysters are pretty efficient at meat production and they're practically vegetables | 12:34 |
| @nmz787 | chris_99: i imagine you'd lose the jaw mastication thing with no nerves, but factory farming can probably pre-grind all the food | 12:35 |
| rigel | there is a scientific american article which quotes someone, rightly, saying that tissue culture is one of the most wasteful and resource intensive processes in modernity | 12:35 |
| rigel | http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2013/08/05/cultured-beef-a-380000-burger-grown-in-petri-dishes/ | 12:35 |
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| @nmz787 | maybe there's some rigor-mortis inducing chem that could be injected in the legs so the dumber cow would be self-supporting too | 12:36 |
| ParahSailin | dumber cow = chicken | 12:36 |
| rigel | so this is really all just science as conspicuous consumption | 12:36 |
| @nmz787 | ParahSailin: but not ethically | 12:36 |
| @nmz787 | but chickens are a decent example of working without having a head | 12:36 |
| ParahSailin | dont dignify irrational sentimentality with ethics | 12:36 |
| rigel | here, i am a stupid rich guy let me pay a quarter mil to taste something some guy in a white coat tells me is crazy | 12:36 |
| @nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken | 12:37 |
| ParahSailin | it had a brainstem | 12:37 |
| @nmz787 | pshh | 12:37 |
| chris_99 | nmz787, wasn't he not actually headless then | 12:37 |
| @nmz787 | is that where pain is felt? | 12:37 |
| @nmz787 | chris_99: i guess if what ParahSailin said is true | 12:37 |
| @kanzure | i don't understand what you're trying to argue for | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | whether or not they feel pain is immaterial to how much meat they produce | 12:38 |
| gradstudentbot | I forgot to make a control group. | 12:38 |
| @nmz787 | 'This includes the corticospinal tract (motor), the posterior column-medial lemniscus pathway (fine touch, vibration sensation and proprioception) and the spinothalamic tract (pain, temperature, itch and crude touch). ' | 12:38 |
| @nmz787 | :( | 12:38 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: some people thing feeling pain is the essential quality that determines whether we should treat something as another human or not | 12:38 |
| @nmz787 | kanzure: the arguments veggie people make is about hurting the organism though IME | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | are you angry that other lifeforms have neurons? i don't understand your moral objection to chickens having neurons. | 12:39 |
| @nmz787 | i dont, since i feel plants are dying just the same | 12:39 |
| @nmz787 | i ate a shitload of raspberrie fetuses yesterday | 12:39 |
| @nmz787 | fetal rasperry serum with frozen and churned cow teat serum is amazing | 12:40 |
| @nmz787 | the fetal raspberries can actually just be used as a mash | 12:40 |
| @nmz787 | no separation required | 12:40 |
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| @nmz787 | i really don't understand why there isn't more research into making these animals less sensitive | 12:41 |
| @nmz787 | seems like hacking out enough brain would be relatively easy | 12:42 |
| chris_99 | really? | 12:42 |
| @nmz787 | maybe it's not GMO, maybe it's some developmental fetus brain suction assembly line | 12:42 |
| @nmz787 | i dunno, seems like it | 12:42 |
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| @nmz787 | i haven't read much about it, for or against | 12:43 |
| @nmz787 | but it's weird that i havent | 12:43 |
| @nmz787 | i guess Mike the headless chicken had his brainstem, which helps with breathing and heart function... but also deals with pain... so maybe it would be really hard to separate those functions | 12:44 |
| @nmz787 | whether through GMO or cutting | 12:44 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nm.3261.html | 13:53 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnm.3261 | 13:54 |
| heath | re:bio computation | 13:54 |
| heath | http://seemanlab4.chem.nyu.edu/XOR.html | 13:54 |
| heath | .title | 13:54 |
| yoleaux | DNA-Based Computation | 13:54 |
| heath | "There are many different ways that this can be realized, but in keeping with the basic self-assembly thrust of this laboratory, I will only describe a computation by algorithmic self-assembly performed in this laboratory." | 13:54 |
| heath | kanzure^ | 13:55 |
| @kanzure | shrug. | 13:56 |
| heath | clearly you knew this, guess you were trying to get me to explain it or something | 13:57 |
| gradstudentbot | This laproscopic camera is so easy to use. | 13:57 |
| @nmz787 | delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Specific_elimination_of_mutant_mitochondrial_genomes_in_patient-derived_cells_by_mitoTALENs.pdf | 14:03 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, mush apreesh | 14:04 |
| @nmz787 | heath: i think kanzure just wanted you to explain it to yourself | 14:04 |
| @kanzure | i don't know what's going on | 14:05 |
| @kanzure | what am i supposed to be forcing you to explain? | 14:05 |
| @nmz787 | apparently biocomputation | 14:06 |
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| heath | mechanical keyboards make me sound like i'm typing faster than i actually am | 14:29 |
| heath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6LUjjvlj_Y | 14:29 |
| @kanzure | heath: beat my high score, http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure on http://typeracer.com/ | 14:30 |
| @kanzure | also if you feel like playing a game you can use http://www.holywowstudios.com/teachestyping/ | 14:30 |
| heath | i know you are way faster than me | 14:30 |
| @kanzure | yeah but sounds are like 20% of my speed | 14:30 |
| @kanzure | another 20% is drugs | 14:30 |
| heath | i've only gotten something like 120-140 on typeracer | 14:30 |
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| delinquentme | do we have anyone whos really deft w cutting image tiles for google map overlays? | 15:15 |
| @nmz787 | cutting them?] | 15:15 |
| delinquentme | yeah so given a source image... get the tiles | 15:16 |
| ParahSailin | thats a google question | 15:17 |
| @kanzure | openstreetmap has some tools for that | 15:18 |
| heath | delinquentme: maybe d3's clipping functionality? | 15:26 |
| * heath has limited experience with d3 | 15:27 | |
| @kanzure | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/985736936?token=398b4977 "Low-cost RTK GPS receiver (centimeter level precision) with open source software and board design targeted at UAVs." | 15:32 |
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| @kanzure | i'm not sure xbee is a good idea | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | however, i currently forget everything radio ever so i'm not qualified to make that assessment in this moment | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | probably better than 802.11 | 15:36 |
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| heath | nashville to tempe back to nashville: 3,253 mi, 47 hours | 15:46 |
| @kanzure | DoktorUnicorn: welcome | 15:46 |
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| @nmz787 | heath: i've done a drive like that in 2days 3 nights | 15:51 |
| @kanzure | yes but your genome is like 80% diesel turbo-charged engine | 15:51 |
| @bkero | dieselpunk? | 15:54 |
| heath | with the prius it's about $100 less to drive to tempe and probably a much larger headache :) | 15:54 |
| heath | kanzure: you're a halfway point, would you be in town ~sept.21, and would mind if i stopped by for a night? | 15:57 |
| @kanzure | you're welcome to stop by. yes i think i'll be in austin. but even if i'm not you're welcome to my place. | 15:57 |
| heath | sxhweet | 15:58 |
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| panax | http://blog.garrytan.com/goldman-sachs-sent-a-brilliant-computer-scientist-to-jail-over-8mb-of-open-source-code-uploaded-to-an-svn-repo | 16:13 |
| superkuh | Yep. And the FBI field agent thought subversion was suspicious because it had the connotation of "subvert". | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | do you have a reference on that, superkuh? that sounds hilarious. | 16:18 |
| superkuh | The Vanityfair article. | 16:18 |
| @kanzure | i wonder what the fbi would think about git | 16:18 |
| superkuh | http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2013/09/michael-lewis-goldman-sachs-programmer | 16:18 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: what oscilloscope should i get nate? | 17:58 |
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| @nmz787 | fenn: i want it to be relatively modern (i.e. 6 inches deep) and 4 channel and at least 70 MHz | 18:07 |
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| @nmz787 | fenn it seems the sweet spot is chinese around $2k at 200 MHz | 18:07 |
| @nmz787 | fenn: i've also seen a few tektronix for around that price, looked less modern (smaller screen) but likely the functionality would be equivalent if not superior, especially with User Experience/Interface things (according to most of the chinese scope reviews on eevblog | 18:10 |
| heath | http://coolarduino.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/quasi-real-time-oscilloscope-remix/ | 18:20 |
| heath | think that meets your specs | 18:21 |
| @nmz787 | heath: sorry, no, that maxes out sampling at 100kHz | 18:22 |
| @nmz787 | to get 200 MHz effective rate, you need to sample around 1GS/s to 2GS/s | 18:23 |
| @nmz787 | heath: kanzure fenn these seem to be the lowest priced on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGLENT-SDS1304CFL-300MHz-Digital-Oscilloscope-2GSa-s-50GSa-s-4-Channels-/150973225836?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item2326b49b6c | 18:25 |
| @nmz787 | and http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEKTRONIX-60MHz-DIGITAL-STORAGE-4-CHANNEL-OSCILLOSCOPE-TDS2004-TDS-2004-/231028465069?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item35ca5e9dad | 18:25 |
| @nmz787 | but for $2k i've seen the same tektronix but new | 18:26 |
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| @nmz787 | then there's this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Instek-GDS-3254-250-MHz-4-Channel-Color-Digital-Storage-Oscilloscope-/190872468243?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item2c70e2bb13 | 18:27 |
| @nmz787 | another almost new tektronix http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-TDS2014-4-Channels-100MHz-1GS-s-Digital-Oscilloscope-Only-14-Cycles-/271218537752?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item3f25e27518 | 18:28 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: let's also ask in ##electronics | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: it would suck to spend some cash on an oscilloscope and end up with some pile of shit | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | also it would be nice to get something that a friend has (but it's not absolutely required) | 18:46 |
| drazak | the tektronix is good | 18:53 |
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| drazak | agilent also being good | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | drazak: suppose money wasn't a problem. what would you get? | 18:54 |
| drazak | agilent is hp's science brand | 18:54 |
| drazak | uh the 40,000$ agilent scope that that guy that drops shit 2 meters to test tore apart | 18:54 |
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| @kanzure | 2 meters? | 18:54 |
| drazak | let me find the videos | 18:54 |
| drazak | the eevblog guy | 18:55 |
| gradstudentbot | I did so much qPCR today. | 18:55 |
| drazak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUBb4S8LoO0 | 18:58 |
| drazak | kanzure: this guy takes multimeters and throws them around as if they're actually getting used and dropped and shit | 18:58 |
| drazak | when he says a piece of electronics equipment is good | 18:58 |
| drazak | it's usually rock solid | 18:58 |
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| panax | lol | 18:59 |
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| @nmz787 | kanzure: yeah the eevblog guy is where i did most of my research, most of his instrument videos are 30-60 mins long | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | i don't remember cory having this much content on his wiki http://wiki.biohackers.la/Aerobic_Nitrogenase | 19:14 |
| @nmz787 | he had quite a lot the last i looked | 19:15 |
| @nmz787 | not much in the recetn history of the page | 19:16 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: sup | 19:22 |
| yashgaroth | yo | 19:31 |
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| fredox | has there been any work done on an open CPG recipe? | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | cpg? | 19:50 |
| fredox | like cpg1000 | 19:50 |
| @nmz787 | controlled pore glass | 19:53 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: ##electronics seems very noisy right now, I dounno if anyone's gonna see my question | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | welcome to the power of irc | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | also, azonenberg is usually good about not ignoring you | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | i guess they are okay with off-topic banter these days | 20:32 |
| @kanzure | freenode sure has gotten wacky | 20:32 |
| drazak | yeah | 20:39 |
| drazak | I'd just hilight azonberg | 20:39 |
| @kanzure | i wonder what he's been up to. is he still wasting time in college? | 20:40 |
| drazak | he's in his 2nd year of his phd | 20:40 |
| drazak | at rpi | 20:40 |
| @kanzure | ugh. i was hoping he would get out. | 20:40 |
| drazak | nah | 20:41 |
| nmz787 | oshpark is more helpful | 20:45 |
| heath | .title http://english.nanoctr.cas.cn/ | 20:53 |
| yoleaux | National Center for Nanoscience and Technology, China | 20:53 |
| heath | .title http://vimeo.com/channels/kfoschemistry/57401673 | 20:54 |
| yoleaux | Molecular Motors - Zhen-Gang Wang, National Center for Nanoscience and Technology on Vimeo | 20:54 |
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| heath | not the best title for the talk, more like an overview of dna based research | 21:26 |
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