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| fenn | bubblegum crisis has got to be the most technofabulous anime i've ever seen: powered exoskeletons, gas turbine motorcycles, rotating space tethers, brain machine interfaces, rampaging nanotech, analog synth and zombie robots | 01:35 |
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| @bkero | I'm back in Portland. :3 | 01:39 |
| @bkero | Watching Silver Spoon on crunchyroll because *shrug* | 01:39 |
| Noryokusha | fenn check out the legend of galactic heroes | 02:04 |
| Noryokusha | another great sci fi anime | 02:04 |
| fenn | bleck.. looks dumb, and icky | 02:18 |
| fenn | guys with poofy hair and naval style space battles | 02:20 |
| fenn | though i can't say i've ever seen an axe fight in outer space | 02:21 |
| rigel | eh? | 02:26 |
| rigel | ptown? | 02:26 |
| rigel | portloo? | 02:26 |
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| Noryokusha | lol dumb and ciky? | 02:53 |
| Noryokusha | lol | 02:53 |
| Noryokusha | err icky* | 02:53 |
| Noryokusha | of all the animes to call dumb and icky.. | 02:53 |
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| fenn | i just don't get the whole prussian emperor of space thing | 03:11 |
| fenn | also http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/misconceptions.php | 03:16 |
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| Noryokusha | fenn its just the series lore | 04:25 |
| Noryokusha | they explain it later on | 04:25 |
| Noryokusha | but its no more silly than a lot of the premises of many shows | 04:25 |
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| fenn | oh apparently i was watching "bubblegum crisis tokyo 2040" which is a different thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPXOlHsARrs&list=SP3C64C9F0581744B6 | 06:48 |
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| * heath waves gm | 07:14 | |
| @kanzure | i forgot to visit someone in toronto and now i feel bad | 07:16 |
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| @kanzure | i should just go back | 07:16 |
| fenn | i thought you were moving to detroit, that's nearby right? | 07:19 |
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| heath | Noryokusha is in toronto | 07:19 |
| @kanzure | definitely not moving to detroit | 07:19 |
| @kanzure | just visiting and plotting | 07:19 |
| @kanzure | oh, detroit to toronto is 4 hours by car. might as well have flown. | 07:20 |
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| @kanzure | xLotus: hi | 07:25 |
| xLotus | Hello there, how are you? | 07:26 |
| @kanzure | do you want something? | 07:27 |
| fenn | are you content with the state of things? | 07:30 |
| xLotus | Good question, I didn't really come here for anything but maybe there is something | 07:32 |
| xLotus | What is this channel for? | 07:33 |
| fenn | taking over the world | 07:34 |
| xLotus | Neat, can I help out? | 07:35 |
| fenn | what can you do? | 07:35 |
| xLotus | Breathe, Eat, Sleep, and I guess that's about it am I worthy? | 07:37 |
| @kanzure | how did you get here? | 07:37 |
| @kanzure | it looks like you were in #diybio | 07:37 |
| xLotus | the tubes brought me here | 07:37 |
| @kanzure | okay | 07:38 |
| fenn | i find it strange how many people end up here with absolutely no sense of their capabilities | 07:39 |
| xLotus | Well, what do you do to "take over the world"? | 07:39 |
| @kanzure | he was joking, our plans are actually much larger in scope | 07:39 |
| fenn | build things, corrupt people and institutions, transcend biological limitations | 07:39 |
| xLotus | that sounds like fun | 07:40 |
| fenn | or whatever the opposite of corruption is; assimilation? | 07:40 |
| xLotus | assimilation is a good blanket term | 07:41 |
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| xLotus | lets use that | 07:41 |
| fenn | so far, 90% of everything is crap | 07:41 |
| xLotus | what's the other 10%? | 07:42 |
| fenn | the crap is normally distributed, so most things are primarily crap, with a very few being 100% crap and some being 0% crap | 07:42 |
| xLotus | I see | 07:43 |
| fenn | most of my work has been figuring out what to do with the good stuff once we separate it out | 07:43 |
| @kanzure | and most of my work has been taking credit for whatever he does | 07:44 |
| @kanzure | it works out pretty well | 07:44 |
| heath | and most of my work is cheerleading | 07:45 |
| heath | \o/ go team h+ | 07:45 |
| xLotus | So progress doesn't seem to be going so well does it? | 07:45 |
| @kanzure | i think things are progressing as expected. | 07:45 |
| fenn | unfortunately (in this case) you have low expectations | 07:46 |
| heath | jrayhawk: thanks for the links earlier | 07:46 |
| fenn | kanzure do you drink soda? | 07:47 |
| @kanzure | no | 07:47 |
| @kanzure | just water | 07:48 |
| fenn | i dislike soda, but recently i've started drinking diet root beer for the phenylalanine in aspartame | 07:48 |
| fenn | perhaps it would be smarter to just divide up an amino acid supplement capsule into smaller doses | 07:49 |
| ParahSail1n | what | 07:49 |
| fenn | i knew someone would blow a gasket over that :) | 07:50 |
| heath | or chew gum | 07:50 |
| ParahSail1n | is phenylalanine really difficult to get from food? | 07:50 |
| fenn | hm how do i phrase this... there's evidence that when a single amino acid is at elevated levels relative to other amino acids in the blood, it's transported across the blood brain barrier | 07:51 |
| fenn | and something about insulin | 07:51 |
| ParahSail1n | is this the intention of this experiment? "Phenylalanine uses the same active transport channel as tryptophan to cross the blood–brain barrier, and, in large quantities, interferes with the production of serotonin. | 07:52 |
| ParahSail1n | " | 07:52 |
| fenn | the intention is to increase my brain dopamine and PEA levels without interfering with serotonin | 07:54 |
| ParahSail1n | it seems like the small amounts of aspartame in soda would be a poor source | 07:55 |
| fenn | i've noticed a side effect from 500mg tyrosine supplement, but i don't know if phenylalanine has the same effect | 07:55 |
| ParahSail1n | unless diet coke is all you're drinking | 07:55 |
| fenn | there's roughly 100mg equivalent phenylalanine in 180mg aspartame in a single can of soda | 07:56 |
| fenn | more than that i think is too much | 07:56 |
| xLotus | what are you trying to get from taking phenylalanine? | 07:57 |
| ParahSail1n | i eat maybe 50-100 grams of protein a day, and that's probably 2-5 grams of phenylalanine | 07:58 |
| ParahSail1n | i dont think i'd notice .1 more grams | 07:58 |
| fenn | the intent was to increase intrinsic motivation, but the effect seems to be more like higher enjoyment of fun/interesting things | 07:58 |
| xLotus | I could definitely see that happening | 07:59 |
| fenn | ParahSail1n: the amino acid transporter is nonspecific, so if you flood it with other amino acids, the 100mg won't have any effect, correct | 07:59 |
| fenn | 100 grams protein is a lot | 08:00 |
| @kanzure | did you ever try any of the adderall i stuff in my face? | 08:04 |
| @kanzure | also, if you think i have low expectations, can you please explicitly state better expectations? | 08:04 |
| ParahSail1n | so the idea is to eat well below the normal protein intake levels to decrease other amino acids and then eat lots of aspartame? | 08:05 |
| ParahSail1n | does aspartate interfere with the scheme? | 08:05 |
| fenn | no; i'm considering adrafinil, which also starts with a and ends with l, and has some effect on dopamine levels. frankly i'm not convinced adderall isn't addictive | 08:06 |
| ParahSail1n | wouldnt collecting the pink packets whenever you eat at a restaurant be a more effective system than diet coke? | 08:06 |
| ParahSail1n | you could even insufflate the aspartame for faster intake to the brain | 08:06 |
| fenn | ParahSail1n: yes, all true (don't know about aspartate) | 08:07 |
| fenn | oh, no you need some gut enzyme to metabolize the aspartame | 08:07 |
| fenn | anyway it was a quick experiment that had an interesting effect | 08:07 |
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| @kanzure | the "it impacts dopamine levels" handwaving is just bullshit, that doesn't tell you anything about what's actually going on in the brain | 08:07 |
| ParahSail1n | im not sure you really thought this through | 08:07 |
| fenn | i wouldn't advise anyone to do this | 08:08 |
| fenn | i often wondered why people drink diet soda and this was a possible explanation | 08:10 |
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| fenn | "Of the sites tested, [modafinil] was found to significantly act only on the dopamine transporter (DAT), inhibiting the reuptake of dopamine with an IC50 value of 4 μM. Accordingly, it increases locomotor activity and extracellular dopamine concentrations" although this is a lie because it also affects a bunch of other stuff | 08:13 |
| @kanzure | i suspect it probably does act on all dopamine transporters, but some of those dopamine transporters matter more than others, somewhere. | 08:14 |
| fenn | i recall reading that it only acts in certain locations, but i suck at neuroanatomy | 08:14 |
| fenn | even if i did know what the locations were, i wouldn't be able to deduce the consequences of that information | 08:15 |
| @kanzure | you would look at studies concerning loss of function in that region (tumors, surgery) and stimulation studies (electrocution) | 08:16 |
| fenn | "The locus of the monoamine action of modafinil has also been the target of studies, identifying effects on dopamine in the striatum and nucleus accumbens,[9][10] noradrenaline in the hypothalamus and ventrolateral preoptic nucleus,[11][12] and serotonin in the amygdala and frontal cortex" great | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | also you would check which types of neurons are in that area, then look for neurophysiology studies that characterized how those neurons behave when poked | 08:16 |
| @kanzure | also you would check if anyone has cultured those neurons | 08:18 |
| @kanzure | the answer is probably yes but whatever | 08:18 |
| fenn | "the nucleus accumbens has an important role in reward, pleasure, reinforcement learning, laughter, addiction, aggression, fear, impulsivity and the placebo effect" | 08:19 |
| fenn | i feel like every neuroanatomy article has a sentence like that | 08:19 |
| @kanzure | with a list that long, what does it not involve | 08:19 |
| @kanzure | i think "reward" is a hold-over from psychology studies | 08:20 |
| @kanzure | so just ignore thta one | 08:20 |
| @kanzure | addiction might be molecular-addiction-related, but i doubt it | 08:20 |
| @kanzure | hard to tell what they mean. | 08:20 |
| fenn | this would all be simple if i had a short term memory for 128 semantic chunks instead of 7 | 08:22 |
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| @kanzure | "The principal neuronal cell type found in the nucleus accumbens is the medium spiny neuron. The neurotransmitter produced by these neurons is gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), one of the main inhibitory neurotransmitters of the central nervous system. These neurons are also the main projection or output neurons of the nucleus accumbens. While 95% of the neurons in the nucleus accumbens are medium spiny GABA-ergic projection neurons, other ... | 08:23 |
| @kanzure | ... neuronal types are also found such as large aspiny cholinergic interneurons." | 08:23 |
| @kanzure | i like how they make it sound like only one neurotransmitter is used, but they don't explicitly say that | 08:23 |
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| @kanzure | "The [one] neurotransmitter produced by these neurons" | 08:23 |
| fenn | is that not true? | 08:24 |
| fenn | i thought most neurons only produced one type of neurotransmitter, but were receptive to multiple types | 08:24 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: hey, are you around? | 08:25 |
| fenn | hey that's cheating | 08:25 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: i've never heard a statement saying either way. | 08:27 |
| fenn | it seems that the rule is that every rule has an exception | 08:29 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/130/4/1058.full.pdf | 08:31 |
| paperbot | http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/nutrition/130/4/1058.full.pdf | 08:32 |
| @kanzure | "medium spiny neuron" sounds far too generic to be the cell type of nucleus accumbens | 08:36 |
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| xLotus | So fenn are you still looking for ways to increase intinisic motivation? | 09:35 |
| ParahSailin | amphetamine is highly recommended | 09:37 |
| ParahSailin | think of it as a catalyst to get you over the activation energy hump | 09:38 |
| xLotus | What have you tried so far? | 09:41 |
| fenn | specifically wrt motivation; exercise, protein, B vitamins, inositol and choline, cordyceps, modafinil, 5-MeO-DALT, noopept, caffeine, chocolate, chlorella | 09:59 |
| fenn | chlorella was sporadically effective but i couldn't figure it out | 10:00 |
| fenn | built tolerance to caffeine after a week, and chocolate has unpleasant side effects in high doses | 10:01 |
| fenn | modafinil unsure of whether it had an effect on this axis | 10:01 |
| fenn | B vitamins help, possibly better in the form of nutritional yeast | 10:02 |
| fenn | cordyceps built tolerance after a month or so, but that's not bad | 10:02 |
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| fenn | by far most effective was low doses (2-5mg) of 5-MeO-DALT but it's too experimental to recommend, which is why i stopped taking it | 10:03 |
| fenn | i haven't tried amphetamine | 10:05 |
| fenn | at this time it's unclear whether exercise and protein intake are a cause or effect, but i'm leaning toward effect | 10:09 |
| fenn | oh, and tyrosine and aspartame | 10:10 |
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| ParahSailin | 5-meo-dalt sounds like drugs | 10:15 |
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| fenn | srsly brah | 10:16 |
| archels | fenn, I was thinking of messing with MAOB inhibitors | 10:16 |
| ParahSailin | what is the website these days for weird recreational "research chemicals" | 10:16 |
| archels | ever try that? | 10:16 |
| ParahSailin | havent done that stuff in like 10 years so im a bit out of the loop | 10:17 |
| fenn | archels: rasagiline/selegiline (emsam) sounds interesting but i have no idea how to get a hold of it | 10:17 |
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| archels | nubrain.com has it | 10:19 |
| archels | PLEASE REGISTER AND ORDER ON NEW UPDATED WEBSITE | 10:20 |
| archels | http://www.new.nubrain/shop | 10:20 |
| archels | hum | 10:20 |
| fenn | hmm. they sell "etherium gold" which sets off my skeptic alarm | 10:20 |
| ParahSailin | is this place legit? https://researchchemicals.net/5-meo-dalt.html | 10:20 |
| archels | fenn: I ordered modafinil from them about 2 years ago. it was satisfactory | 10:21 |
| fenn | sorry ParahSail1n i haven't played the internet research chemicals game | 10:21 |
| ParahSailin | they sell 5-meo-dalt on the "street"? | 10:22 |
| fenn | no, it was acquired through participating experimenters | 10:22 |
| chris_99 | aren't 'research' chemicals completely untested | 10:22 |
| fenn | chris_99: hence the name, duh | 10:22 |
| ParahSailin | no theyve been tested by at least one dude and erowid | 10:23 |
| chris_99 | haha | 10:23 |
| ParahSailin | dude on erowid | 10:23 |
| fenn | or do you mean certified to be what they claim to be? | 10:23 |
| fenn | some people provide third party analysis but probably not unless you're buying many grams | 10:24 |
| chris_99 | they mention 'such as performing a gas chromatography–mass spectrometry in an adequate laboratory' | 10:24 |
| chris_99 | as being what they're for heh | 10:25 |
| fenn | yes it's silly, but at least you know what it is, unlike the whole bath salts potpourri thing | 10:25 |
| ParahSailin | chris_99: nah, usually you just have to verify it by taste | 10:25 |
| fenn | ParahSailin: i hope you're joking | 10:25 |
| chris_99 | fenn they could be cut with any old crap | 10:25 |
| fenn | indeed, hence "the internet research chemicals game" | 10:26 |
| fenn | also, why doesn't every cellphone have a built in GCMS by now? | 10:26 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: thoughts? https://github.com/kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone/blob/master/index.js | 10:27 |
| @kanzure | fenn: you're avoiding my earlier question | 10:27 |
| ParahSailin | olfactory sense + taste is very effective substitute for gcms | 10:27 |
| chris_99 | how do they actually come up with them? | 10:28 |
| chris_99 | just modify existing molecules a bit? | 10:28 |
| chris_99 | or are they radically different | 10:28 |
| ParahSailin | shulgin came up with a couple hundred in the 60s | 10:28 |
| ParahSailin | mostly people are using those same ones | 10:28 |
| fenn | kanzure: no i haven't tried adderall or any other amphetamine-like substance | 10:28 |
| ParahSailin | and as some become illegal, they move on to the next, more dangerous ones | 10:28 |
| @kanzure | fenn: that wasn't the question i asked | 10:29 |
| @kanzure | fenn: uh i mean, that was a question i asked, but not the one i was referring to | 10:29 |
| fenn | please restate the question in the form of a question | 10:29 |
| chris_99 | ParahSail1n, iirc in the UK, they can make molecules that are similar to illegal drugs, and get away with it | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | i think in the US it's different? | 10:30 |
| @kanzure | 08:04 <@kanzure> also, if you think i have low expectations, can you please explicitly state better expectations? | 10:30 |
| fenn | chris_99: in the US it's an unresolved legal issue | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | ah | 10:30 |
| fenn | in some cases it's legal to possess but illegal to sell, etc | 10:31 |
| chris_99 | gotcha | 10:31 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: so you would be piping the stream to a process of pdfparanoia? | 10:32 |
| chris_99 | they've got some pretty spectroscopy graphs | 10:32 |
| fenn | kanzure: how's that roadmap coming along? | 10:32 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: thta's one possibility, but i was going to leave it up to the user or something. | 10:33 |
| aelinoea | safeorscam.com might come handy when checking out places to order RCs from | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: maybe pdfparanoiajs should be a default | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: i don't want every translator to have to pipe things through pdfparanoia on their own, that's stupid | 10:33 |
| ParahSailin | you implemented that? | 10:33 |
| @kanzure | no, i haven't written pdfparanoiajs yet | 10:33 |
| fenn | it's past my bedtime | 10:37 |
| fenn | kanzure: generally this channel has turned into a watercooler and that's sad, but this is a trend in online futurist communities | 10:37 |
| xLotus | I don't know if this would help you since you said chocolate gave you negative effects when taking in a lot but maybe try phenthylamine the chemical | 10:38 |
| fenn | i'd like to participate in a functioning research organization, but it seems i need to fix my own problems first before attempting to fix group problems | 10:39 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i can't get any of you to use any of my money to help you buy things | 10:39 |
| @kanzure | fenn: and when i do, you guys want to do absurd things that wont work | 10:39 |
| @kanzure | fenn: that's partially my fault for pimping a bad idea, but i've repented and i regret everything | 10:39 |
| fenn | well, buying things is only part of doing stuff | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | certainly true | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | but we can also just.. buy people to do the things too. | 10:40 |
| fenn | hard to believe that after years of this i still don't know what the best "opening move" is | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | uh i mean, whatever the right way to say that is | 10:40 |
| fenn | is BRL-CAD it? | 10:40 |
| @kanzure | the thing about needing cad for skdb was sorta bullshit, there's no reason for a monolithic pile of crap | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | but yes, brlcad is very useful if you want hardware packages to have introspection about 3d models or something | 10:41 |
| fenn | i never wanted it to be monolithic | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | well, it is/was | 10:41 |
| fenn | it just turned out that we needed a cad library that didn't exist, so it got sucked in | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | why did we need a cad library? | 10:41 |
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| ParahSailin | put money into nuclear energy research | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | i think that was just me being silly | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | your package manager shouldn't have to run NURBS intersection math or w/e | 10:42 |
| fenn | to do sanity checking because all the data is in crap formats and the only way to resolve "does x fit y" is brute force geometry mashing | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | oh yeah | 10:42 |
| fenn | if there even is a format, but 99% of the time there is not even digital data about a thing | 10:42 |
| @kanzure | "it's in the wiki" | 10:42 |
| fenn | ParahSailin: i am keenly interested in nuclear energy | 10:43 |
| ParahSailin | im assuming you dont actually have that much money though | 10:43 |
| fenn | if this rossi thing turns out to not be bullshit i'll be all over that | 10:45 |
| fenn | my nickel powder disappeared in customs :\ | 10:45 |
| @kanzure | wait, why do you really want geometry intersection code in a package manager? | 10:45 |
| fenn | the process for creating nano powders is pretty complex. high power lasers, partial vacuum, carbonyl compounds | 10:45 |
| @kanzure | a package manager on top of brlcad seems sorta weird | 10:46 |
| @kanzure | or maybe that's the right way to do it | 10:46 |
| @kanzure | i'm so confused. | 10:46 |
| fenn | kanzure: because unlike software there's no "copy" or "delete" operation, so people have old/different instances of stuff than the person who made the package | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | not my fault they need to run a package upgrade | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | retooling is a regular thing that you should do if you want new stuf | 10:47 |
| @kanzure | *stuff | 10:47 |
| fenn | uh, there's also the third party vendor problem | 10:48 |
| fenn | it's unrealistic to assume that people will use 100% skdb-compatible parts and machines and facilities etc | 10:48 |
| @kanzure | incompatible means incompatible | 10:48 |
| fenn | geometry comparison was part of the strategy to make it all work | 10:49 |
| fenn | i mean look at how many reprap designs there are | 10:49 |
| fenn | they all do basically the same thing | 10:49 |
| fenn | then add in the commercial consumer-grade FDM stuff like makerbot or staples-bot or whatever | 10:50 |
| fenn | it's unrealistic to assume everyone will have prusa-mendel v2.1 with such and such build platform | 10:50 |
| fenn | the only reason apple can get away with rigid hardware specs is that they brainwash their users | 10:51 |
| @kanzure | i don't care about that, that's irrelevant | 10:51 |
| fenn | it's a similar problem. in the end it has to be pretty flexible anyway, just for ease of development | 10:52 |
| fenn | i think trying to solve these basic theoretical issues is what made me give up on skdb | 10:53 |
| fenn | anyway skdb is just one project | 10:54 |
| fenn | it seemed like a good first step because it could tell me what the next step is | 10:55 |
| fenn | how the hell does debian work | 10:56 |
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| archels | http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/08/Radical-life-extension-full.pdf | 11:37 |
| archels | http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/08/Life-Extension-Essay.pdf | 11:37 |
| archels | (they even mention the singularity) | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | import os; print os.path.join("./wtf", "/bin") | 11:39 |
| @kanzure | /bin | 11:39 |
| archels | whereas you expected... | 11:42 |
| ParahSailin | /bin is filesystem root | 11:42 |
| ParahSailin | python is full of surprises | 11:43 |
| ParahSailin | Join one or more path components intelligently. If any component is an absolute path, all previous components (on Windows, including the previous drive letter, if there was one) are thrown away, and joining continues. | 11:44 |
| ParahSailin | thankfully the surprises are dutifully reported in the docs | 11:44 |
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| @kanzure | still not what i expected | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | principle of least suprise, right? | 11:47 |
| ParahSailin | thats a difficult principle to implement with such a loose type system | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | heh "I am writing to let you know I will no longer be involved in day-to-day operations for BioCurious. As you know, I have been open about our precarious cash position since December of last year. Raymond and I have held meetings, updates, presentations, and asked for help repeatedly. Yet despite all this, and lots and lots of hard work by me, and a handful of very dedicated others, it hasn't gotten better." | 12:02 |
| ParahSailin | i thought the white house gave them moneys | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | not that i recall? | 12:16 |
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| ParahSailin | god, why is there a thread about some guy's writing system on diybio | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | writing system? | 12:52 |
| ParahSailin | yeah someone talking about his new alphabet | 12:53 |
| chris_99 | haha | 12:53 |
| ParahSailin | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/diybio/1DOhrbvAR7I/sfi93J7zDmgJ | 12:53 |
| chris_99 | the point of that being? | 12:54 |
| ParahSailin | faster science obv | 12:55 |
| chris_99 | heh | 12:55 |
| ParahSailin | clearly our slow latin script system and the lack of a wikipedia for sharing results than renders pdfs automatically are the two bottlenecks preventing the singularity of diybio science | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | haha | 12:58 |
| ParahSailin | and then we all just need to learn ithkuil | 13:00 |
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| nmz787 | ParahSailin: actually he never said it would be faster | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | he actually mentioned 'art' in a comment | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | don't we have some audio smart people in here? | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | cathal's date format is bad, he should suggest ISO 8601 instead of using slashes | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | i can't find the average track depth for a gramophone record | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | also, i disagree about markdown being particularly parseable | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: obviously every wiki /does/ it | 13:17 |
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| nmz787 | so parsing engines already exist | 13:17 |
| nmz787 | wikipedia works! how can you argue that? | 13:17 |
| @kanzure | yes, but it's ambiguous | 13:18 |
| @kanzure | it's as if you're ignoring all of the people who wrote the parsers | 13:18 |
| @kanzure | they are not all idiots you know.. | 13:18 |
| ParahSailin | there's javascript libraries that translate md to html | 13:18 |
| * kanzure looks for a good description of the problem | 13:19 | |
| @kanzure | "Parsing SGML is context-free, whereas wikitext and markdown are both context-sensitive, and therefore more complex to write parsers for." | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | no, that wasn't it.. | 13:19 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i'm not ignoring them, i'm saying they already did the work for you | 13:19 |
| @kanzure | they didn't, though | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | they just generate html | 13:20 |
| nmz787 | ? | 13:20 |
| ParahSailin | there's an existing wikitext parser, and all you have to do is make your project in php to use it | 13:20 |
| nmz787 | it's stored as wikimarkdown | 13:20 |
| nmz787 | and rendered as html | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: :) | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: but that's not the only reason it's a bad idea | 13:20 |
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| @kanzure | "This is a great initiative and I have huge hopes for this going forward. But I want to make one recommendation: Don't write a parser. Instead, base the standard on a parser-generator-language, like that of ANTLR, so code can be generated from this standard language to whatever programming language or platform people want to parse Markdown in. Unless you're planning on implementing the parser in the 17 different languages supported by ANTRL ... | 13:21 |
| @kanzure | ... out of the box, defining the MArkdown language in ANTLR and letting it generate parsers for these 17 languages makes a hell of a lot sense. Please consider it. Hard." | 13:21 |
| @kanzure | blargh, but where's the one about markdown ambiguity | 13:21 |
| @kanzure | "Some cleanup and tweaks for ambiguous edge cases that exist in Markdown due to the lack of a formal specification" | 13:21 |
| @kanzure | i feel like the internet used to be very different, or maybe i was in a different world, and all the stuff i remember happens to be things that nobody else knows about | 13:22 |
| @kanzure | too bad i didn't commit the entire internet to memory, only the urls | 13:23 |
| nmz787 | plenty of wikis out there, already parsing their silicon brains out | 13:23 |
| @kanzure | just because a parser exist does not mean that the specification exists | 13:23 |
| nmz787 | dunno how you argue shit that exists/works | 13:23 |
| @kanzure | and saying "the implementation is the specification" is a really bad idea | 13:23 |
| nmz787 | you should pay to join ISO so you can argue specs | 13:24 |
| nmz787 | so what if it's hard? computers do hard stuff for us | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | where did i say hard? | 13:25 |
| ParahSailin | this is such a pointless thing | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: you mean, i can't convince nmz787 to use specifications? | 13:25 |
| nmz787 | the only spec i heard was markdown | 13:26 |
| @kanzure | there is no spec | 13:26 |
| @kanzure | for markdown | 13:26 |
| @kanzure | well, no well-defined grammar, at least | 13:26 |
| ParahSailin | use html as the interchange format and let people generate html however they want | 13:26 |
| @kanzure | but that's what a specification means in this context | 13:26 |
| nmz787 | journals only have so many different kind of elements | 13:27 |
| nmz787 | There's text, heading for sections, lists, and figures with text below or above them | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | why are you saying that? | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | saying these things does not turn markdown into a rigorously-defined language | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | i was just trying to prevent a catastrophe | 13:29 |
| nmz787 | no, i'm just saying maybe markdown isn't required | 13:30 |
| @kanzure | okay. for what, again? | 13:30 |
| nmz787 | if there are only so few distinct elements | 13:30 |
| jrayhawk | http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/diagram.png pandoc | 13:31 |
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| ParahSailin | this is such a pointless thing because this is not addressing an actual problem | 13:31 |
| @kanzure | oh, that too. | 13:32 |
| ParahSailin | there are not thousands of people who are being held back from sharing results by the lack of a wikiplatform | 13:32 |
| @kanzure | it would be nice if journals would publish in something other than pdf and html, but i don't think that's what nmz787 is trying to do | 13:32 |
| ParahSailin | there are also not a million different formats of files flying around confusing everyone | 13:33 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk's image was just showing what pandoc can do, relax | 13:33 |
| @kanzure | -relax | 13:33 |
| nmz787 | crazy graph | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin: formatting is a PITA though, I'd use some plug-n-chug app | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | especially with libreoffice or google docs | 13:36 |
| @kanzure | nobody uses either of those for scientific reporting | 13:36 |
| @kanzure | or, they shouldn't. | 13:36 |
| klafka | i'd hope not | 13:37 |
| ParahSailin | do the science first, then report | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | i did | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | reporting is why i failed a class | 13:37 |
| @kanzure | is it because you forgot to cat your data into your file? | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | because it was too PITA that I said fuck it and just didn't report | 13:38 |
| ParahSailin | its hard to save the file in the editor? | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | ? | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | saving is easy | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | that's not a PITA | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691513005504 | 13:39 |
| ParahSailin | then email it after you save it | 13:39 |
| ParahSailin | or something | 13:39 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Curcumin%20binds%20tubulin%2C%20induces%20mitotic%20catastrophe%2C%20and%20impedes%20normal%20endothelial%20cell%20proliferation%20.pdf | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | ? | 13:39 |
| ParahSailin | reported; shared. | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | i don't get how email does automagic formatting | 13:39 |
| ParahSailin | use a different editor/save format? | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | that has nothing to do with formatting | 13:42 |
| ParahSailin | i use wp51 because thats what im familiar with | 13:42 |
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| nmz787 | doesn't that cost money? | 13:47 |
| ParahSailin | nah im pretty sure you can still find floppies of it from a friend | 13:50 |
| nmz787 | this is a pretty good read http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/2013/07/31/what-does-mercury-being-liquid-at-room-temperature-have-to-do-with-einsteins-theory-of-relativity/ | 13:54 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/BFb0018578 | 13:56 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2FBFb0018578 | 13:56 |
| ParahSailin | http://sci-hub.org/pdfcache/c0c94b13fdba15f9d7d34e950f7a999d.pdf | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | Not Found | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | oh, wait, the d at the end wasn't in my copy buffer | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin: thanks, how did you get that to work? | 14:01 |
| ParahSailin | haxkell | 14:01 |
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| nmz787 | paperbot: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/17/6959.abstract | 14:05 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Fnar%2F17.17.6959 | 14:05 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailinbot! | 14:05 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1093%2Fnar%2F17.17.6959 | 14:08 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9ed2cdf6d5cc0ab6fe73fc477ced8de.txt | 14:08 |
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| heath | dwolla was forced to close mt.gox, and now bitinstant folds because of FINCen Regulations, wtf | 15:09 |
| heath | close mt.gox's account* | 15:09 |
| @kanzure | i thought mtgox has japanese bank accounts or something | 15:10 |
| heath | it's based in japan | 15:10 |
| heath | but everyone used dwolla to get their funds out | 15:10 |
| heath | there isn't a service for instant payment | 15:10 |
| @kanzure | oh, i didn't know it was dwolla. that's funny. | 15:11 |
| heath | most are resorting to wire transfers and over the counter | 15:11 |
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| heath | this sucks | 15:11 |
| @kanzure | what's wrong with wire transfers? | 15:12 |
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| heath | a friend of mine 500USD scheduled to transfer from mt.gox over four weeks ago | 15:12 |
| heath | it's the time issue, it takes forever now to get money out | 15:12 |
| heath | bit instant was the way to get it out when mt.gox's dwolla account was closed | 15:13 |
| @kanzure | go through second life | 15:13 |
| * heath wonders how bitinstant was making money | 15:13 | |
| heath | that might work, re:sl | 15:22 |
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| Noryokusha | lazy day today | 16:24 |
| Noryokusha | just spent it reading and cleaning | 16:24 |
| Noryokusha | sup heath | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | fenn: we could just start doing periodic purges of the watercooler crap | 16:25 |
| heath | Noryokusha: heya | 16:26 |
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| heath | agaiin? | 16:27 |
| heath | i refuse | 16:27 |
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| ParahSail1n | watercooler crap? | 16:39 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: fenn is angry that i am not working hard enough on hplusroadmap things | 16:49 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: we used to do things in here, you know. long before you joined. | 16:49 |
| ParahSail1n | hm, like what? | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | well at one point we had a physical hackerspace i think | 16:50 |
| ParahSail1n | i think folks here are pretty geographically dispersed | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | fenn used to live in my closet | 16:51 |
| ParahSail1n | ah right you told me that | 16:51 |
| ParahSail1n | but the bay area folks were too cool to match you | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | i'm sorta boring to live with, heh | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | "DO CODE" "MAKE THINGS BEEP" | 16:52 |
| ParahSail1n | we should start a nuclear program under the auspices of one of the sovereign american indian nations | 16:53 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: were you around when there was an actual transhuman technology roadmap that we were building things according to? or wanting to build things according to. | 16:54 |
| ParahSail1n | i saw a roadmap on gnusha once | 16:54 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: btw, phillyj is that jeswin person that you mentioned | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | that might have been drazak | 16:54 |
| ParahSail1n | jeswin? | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | okay yeah it was drazak then | 16:55 |
| @kanzure | so what's the papermonk status? | 16:55 |
| ParahSail1n | so whats next on the roadmap anyway? | 16:57 |
| ParahSail1n | musky knocked long distance travel off our list, so whats next | 16:57 |
| @kanzure | i forget | 16:58 |
| ParahSail1n | im a bit disappointed that gates is the only billionaire doing anything about nuclear energy | 16:59 |
| @kanzure | something about hardware packages, something about transcranial stimulation, something about dna | 16:59 |
| @kanzure | what was the disease that gates is focusing on? malaria? i keep forgetting. | 16:59 |
| ParahSail1n | these guys did a lot more than gates fdn ever did, at a pittance of the budget http://www.againstmalaria.com/ | 17:01 |
| ParahSail1n | but at least gates is not doing things as wasty-money as some people | 17:01 |
| @kanzure | gates has the unfortunate problem of growing 5-8 billion/year and not being able to spend fast enough | 17:03 |
| ParahSail1n | i didnt realize msft was still growing | 17:03 |
| @kanzure | gates has other assets. his portfolio gets some percent interest on the market. | 17:04 |
| @kanzure | 8% return on 70 billion is.. a lot. | 17:04 |
| ParahSail1n | huh, i thought his portfolio was mostly msft and that hed take huge hit selling it | 17:04 |
| ParahSail1n | did he get out in 1999 or something? | 17:05 |
| @kanzure | hah i didn't know this one "Research Gate, a social networking site for scientists. Bill Gates invested $35 million in the site." so that's where research gate comes from.. i thought it was just a scam or lots of spam. | 17:05 |
| ParahSail1n | i dont think its too hard to blow billions of dollars | 17:06 |
| ParahSail1n | i think he just wants to keep the #1 spot | 17:07 |
| ParahSail1n | but this is water cooler crap | 17:07 |
| @kanzure | "In 1999, his wealth briefly surpassed $101 billion" | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | yes | 17:08 |
| ParahSail1n | how much spare cash do you actually have lying around | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | enough | 17:08 |
| ParahSail1n | that will help me narrow down what options are available | 17:08 |
| ParahSail1n | obviously you dont have enough to start a sioux thorium project | 17:08 |
| ParahSail1n | or do you | 17:08 |
| @kanzure | do i want to do that though? | 17:08 |
| ParahSail1n | sure, energy is gonna end up being pretty important | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | but anyway, there's this interesting trend where if i tell you have $10M or $100M or whatever, suddenly all projects become ridiculously inflated | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | fenn used to build usable things for under $1k that would otherwise cost $100k or whatever | 17:09 |
| @kanzure | but i guess i broke him or something | 17:09 |
| * kanzure pokes fenn | 17:09 | |
| @kanzure | if i have to spend above-market-price on everything, i'll run out of money before i get to anything interesting | 17:09 |
| ParahSail1n | heh | 17:12 |
| @kanzure | part of the secret is to pick projects that are actually achievable | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | most of the technology that we need/want in this world are actually not "theoretical".. they already exist and work (somewhat). | 17:13 |
| @kanzure | i guess plato said the same thing about math | 17:15 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: what was the serum project you wanted to do a while back? | 17:18 |
| ParahSail1n | i was making a liver cell line condition minimal medium when i got kicked out | 17:19 |
| @kanzure | condition? | 17:20 |
| ParahSail1n | liver cells churn out albumin and other proteins into their medium | 17:21 |
| ParahSail1n | i had gotten the liver cells to survive in regular MEM | 17:21 |
| ParahSail1n | i got kicked out of that lab because the cells werent very adherent, so it looked like an infection in my plates | 17:24 |
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| ParahSail1n | nuclear energy might become moot if the pv folks manage to continue the power law decline of costs | 17:28 |
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| Noryokusha | :D I'm one of the pv folks | 17:31 |
| Noryokusha | dssc's mostly | 17:31 |
| ParahSail1n | you of the opinion that it would a waste of money to develop fission reactors further because pv will eventually become ridiculously cheap? | 17:32 |
| Noryokusha | no, it's another area of research | 17:34 |
| Noryokusha | science is never useless | 17:34 |
| Noryokusha | it might be useful for another purpose | 17:34 |
| ParahSail1n | im of the school of maximum instantaneous growth rate | 17:35 |
| ParahSail1n | i can show you plenty of useless science | 17:36 |
| ParahSail1n | so which will grow the prosperity of civilization at a greater rate, money in pv or money in fission? | 17:37 |
| @kanzure | papermonk-downloader-plosone needs to get its request.get call mocked | 17:37 |
| @kanzure | oh actually, i suppose one possibility is to replace its .test() method with something that always returns true, then fetch something hosted on localhost as the url | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | but this wont work for in-browser testing (if anyone ever wants to attempt that) | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/flatiron/nock okay looks like i want replyWithFile | 17:40 |
| cogitokat | didn't I do that? | 17:40 |
| ParahSail1n | well, assuming that pv is going to be the useful power source, next we need to solve peak phosphate | 17:41 |
| @kanzure | cogitokat: you didn't use replyWithFile | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | cogitokat: of course, i could be looking at the wrong thing | 17:42 |
| ParahSail1n | i think a kelp farming operation might be able to extract phosphate from the ocean | 17:43 |
| cogitokat | kanzure yes huh, I did. | 17:43 |
| @kanzure | cogitokat: well, it got lost then | 17:44 |
| cogitokat | I made reply with string test and reply with file test | 17:44 |
| cogitokat | booo | 17:44 |
| cogitokat | you should have a replies folder in tests in those papermonkmodules and tests.js has two tests. | 17:45 |
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| @kanzure | grr this is not working | 18:09 |
| cogitokat | kanzure, what isn't? | 18:10 |
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| @kanzure | this works in the node console: | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | var scope = nock("http://example.com").get("/paper").replyWithFile(200, "./tests/data/html/test.html") | 18:14 |
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| @kanzure | request.get("http://example.com/paper", function(error, response, body) { console.log("body is: " + body.toString()); }); | 18:14 |
| @kanzure | but it doesn't work in a test. | 18:14 |
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| @kanzure | hmm | 18:35 |
| cogitokat | kanzure, I imed you things. | 18:36 |
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| @kanzure | ah, the problem was that i wasn't calling jsdom's window.close() | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | also, jsdom is pretty slow | 18:46 |
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| @kanzure | i wonder if anyone has done performance benchmarks on jsdom | 18:52 |
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| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure pushed 2 commits to basic-http-mocking [+1/-0/±3] http://git.io/iDgTOQ | 19:02 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure 6aec849 - initial mocking of an http request This is a simple mock that returns the expected html of the page to test the downloader against. For now, the only tested property is the title found in the html. | 19:02 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure cd0a295 - stop jsdom from hanging the entire test system The window must be closed because otherwise the test suite never ends itself. Also, jsdom is really slow and is overkill for a task like "extract the <title> of an html document". It's probably even slower inside a browser's javascript environment, but I haven't tested that yet. | 19:02 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure tagged 4363ee9 as v0.0.3 http://git.io/H31giQ | 19:02 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure pushed 4 commits to master [+2/-0/±7] http://git.io/AC3DDg | 19:02 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure 6aec849 - initial mocking of an http request This is a simple mock that returns the expected html of the page to test the downloader against. For now, the only tested property is the title found in the html. | 19:02 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure cd0a295 - stop jsdom from hanging the entire test system The window must be closed because otherwise the test suite never ends itself. Also, jsdom is really slow and is overkill for a task like "extract the <title> of an html document". It's probably even slower inside a browser's javascript environment, but I haven't tested that yet. | 19:03 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure 1975e49 - Merge branch 'basic-http-mocking' into master | 19:03 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure 4363ee9 - version bump to: v0.0.3 Hooray! HTTP mocking. | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | hmm it is displaying the same commits multiple times | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | that is a little annoying | 19:03 |
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| @kanzure | "Preliminary end-to-end benchmarks suggest that cheerio is about 8x faster than JSDOM" | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | weird that jsdom doesn't use a "forgiving" html parser. that doesn't make sense. its goal is to implement the html/dom, which wont work if you have a strict parser.. | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | heath: what was the selector library you wanted? | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | no wait, that was ParahSail1n | 19:10 |
| ParahSail1n | sizzle? | 19:11 |
| heath | jsdom uses nwmatcher | 19:16 |
| heath | https://github.com/dperini/nwmatcher | 19:16 |
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| ParahSail1n | paperbot, http://www.jneurosci.org/content/33/33/13460.abstract | 20:06 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1523%2FJNEUROSCI.1333-13.2013 | 20:06 |
| ParahSail1n | paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1523%2FJNEUROSCI.1333-13.2013 | 20:07 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20Dramatic%20Increase%20of%20C1q%20Protein%20in%20the%20CNS%20during%20Normal%20Aging.pdf | 20:07 |
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| heath | kanzure: http://jsperf.com/selector-engine-battle/5 | 20:24 |
| heath | dunno if you care | 20:24 |
| heath | when was sizzle officially included in the jquery source? | 20:25 |
| heath | several years ago | 20:26 |
| ParahSail1n | when was sizzle split off from jquery source you mean? | 20:27 |
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| @kanzure | is sizzle capable of parsing html from a string, or does it require the DOM to be loaded already? | 20:40 |
| ParahSail1n | no sizzle just calls getElementBy* shit | 20:45 |
| ParahSail1n | you use it with jsdom | 20:45 |
| @kanzure | ah. i'd like to try to not use jsdom. | 20:51 |
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| ParahSail1n | arent you already using it? | 21:16 |
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| @kanzure | yes, i'd like to remove it and use something not so slow | 21:20 |
| @kanzure | there's no reason to use jsdom in this case because it's completely overkill | 21:20 |
| ParahSail1n | oh, jsdom is slow? | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | very slow | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | and i bet it's worse in a browser (unless it uses innerHTML or something) | 21:21 |
| ParahSail1n | that would be completely silly to use jsdom in a browser | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | it takes 4-5 seconds to parse http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0071334 | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | well, the point of writing this in javascript is that it could automatically be used in a browser or server-side or w/e | 21:22 |
| @kanzure | it might be slower but the point is it would still work (potentially) | 21:22 |
| ParahSail1n | so you want to do a pull parser instead of full dom html parsing? | 21:22 |
| @kanzure | (with the exception of XHR/CORS problems, which can be figured out via proxies or something) | 21:22 |
| @kanzure | oh, uh, maybe. | 21:22 |
| ParahSail1n | man though id hate to write that without cool parser combinators | 21:23 |
| @kanzure | heh this one seems useful, http://requirebin.com | 21:24 |
| @kanzure | it's a pastebin for javascript that uses require(), it just dumps everything through browserify | 21:24 |
| ParahSail1n | maybe cheerio is faster? | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | yeah, i'll try that in a sec | 21:26 |
| ParahSail1n | or i guess that uses node-htmlparser so you can just go straight to that | 21:32 |
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| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure tagged 337c584 as v0.0.4 http://git.io/zHArcw | 21:43 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure pushed 5 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] http://git.io/faS-UQ | 21:43 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure ad65c5e - replace jsdom with cheerio Wow, that's a significant performance improvement. All tests are passing. | 21:43 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure a72dd62 - Merge branch 'replace-jsdom-with-cheerio' into master | 21:43 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure 597476d - remove jsdom from package.json | 21:43 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure b0f7f48 - Merge branch 'replace-jsdom-with-cheerio' into master | 21:43 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure 337c584 - version bump to: v0.0.4 This version has a performance improvement thanks to replacing jsdom with cheerio. | 21:43 |
| @kanzure | i'm sure even better performance is possible if we actually spend time profiling why the hell that last test takes so long | 21:44 |
| @kanzure | time node tests.js gives me 0m0.283s using cheerio | 21:44 |
| @kanzure | whereas the version with jsdom is 0m5.821s | 21:45 |
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| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure pushed 3 commits to master [+2/-0/±5] http://git.io/atrpdQ | 23:08 |
| Not-002 | [kanzure/papermonk-downloader-plosone] kanzure ab2d3a0 - split parser out into a separate file | 23:08 |
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