2013-08-29.log

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nmz787paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ptr.942/pdf00:32
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag1/10.1002/ptr.942.pdf00:32
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nmz787paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12304-008-9006-401:17
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1007/s12304-008-9006-4.pdf01:17
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nmz787paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3801860?uid=2&uid=4&sid=2110259337866701:56
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Fecal%20Indices%20to%20Dietary%20Quality%20of%20Cervids%20in%20Old-Growth%20Forests.pdf01:57
nmz787paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3801209?uid=2&uid=4&sid=2110259364738701:59
paperbotTooManyRedirects (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 236, in _build_response)02:00
nmz787paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3801209?uid=2&uid=4&sid=2110259364738702:07
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paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Habitat%20Use%20by%20Roosevelt%20Elk%20in%20Unmanaged%20Forests%20of%20the%20Hoh%20Valley%2C%20Washington.pdf02:07
nmz787paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20611276?uid=2&uid=4&sid=2110259364738702:09
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Beef%20Cattle%20Industry%20in%20Oregon%2C%201890%20--%201938.pdf02:10
nmz787paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_5102:13
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/60ffd2af3ff29bece44b9f5b7751b711.txt02:13
nmz787paperbot: http://srmjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.2111/1551-5028%282005%2958%3C119%3AMSFSBC%3E2.0.CO%3B202:15
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ddfadc432a6ca8b1fe01cce109f53690.txt02:15
nmz787paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_51.pdf02:16
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c7188d9be1b4e6e86d7a8868bb314d3c.txt02:16
nmz787paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_5102:18
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1ecc4dfd1a9ea207e10d54637928063e.txt02:18
nmz787paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.2111/1551-5028(2005)58%3C119:MSFSBC%3E2.0.CO;202:19
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b5289bb4eaaef6f2e96bd53130c9fbb2.txt02:19
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biostudentpaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6148/833.full03:43
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.341.6148.83303:43
biostudentcheers paperbot03:43
biostudentpaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6148/833.full.pdf03:44
paperbothttp://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sci/341/6148/833.full.pdf03:44
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nmz787paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2494.2010.00780.x/full04:10
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag4/10.1111/j.1365-2494.2010.00780.x.pdf04:10
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nmz787biostudent: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_CRISPR_Craze.pdf04:13
nmz787paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00221344908986800?journalCode=rjog20#.Uh8pQBusiSo04:14
nmz787paperbot: http://www.publish.csiro.au/?paper=RJ983002004:15
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Seasonal%20variations%20in%20the%20herbage%20mass%2C%20crude%20protein%20and%20in-vitro%20digestibility%20of%20native%20perennial%20grasses%20on%20the%20north-west%20slopes%20of%20New%20South%20Wales.pdf04:15
nmz787kanzure: I think that last one is broken, going to the directory first then trying to open says 'failed to load'04:16
nmz787paperbot: http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/EA0218004:17
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Sustainable%20grazing%20systems%20for%20the%20Central%20Tablelands%2C%20New%20South%20Wales.pdf04:17
nmz787kanzure: same thing 'Failed to load PDF document'04:17
nmz787paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=455055204:17
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cded36253002272ef58dc0dc69f1bb45.txt04:18
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poppingtonicpaperbot: http://www.ams.org/journals/mcom/1965-19-090/S0025-5718-1965-0178586-1/04:44
* poppingtonic pokes gradstudentbot04:45
gradstudentbotWow, at my old school, I was never allowed this much science.04:45
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e2eafb5201fdc5bc4aedadc085586d0d.txt04:45
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paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1080%2F00221344908986800%3FjournalCode%3Drjog20%26pubId%3D4246743505:34
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cpopellpaperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/258437?uid=3739584&uid=2134&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=2110259355032310:31
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Treating%20Progress%20Functions%20as%20a%20Managerial%20Opportunity.pdf10:31
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ybitdo we have any friends in/around charlottesville?11:55
kanzuredon't think so11:58
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nmz787poppingtonic: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/An_Algorithm_for_the_Machine_Calculation_of_Complex_Fourier_Series.pdf13:43
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* nmz787 headslap... that paper was free to begin13:44
nmz787paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3809349?uid=2&uid=4&sid=2110259364738713:45
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Nutritional%20Quality%20and%20Tannin%20Astringency%20of%20Browse%20in%20Clear-Cuts%20and%20Old-Growth%20Forests.pdf13:46
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ParahSailinnmz787: you feeding livestock?13:49
nmz787ParahSailin: sort of indirectly... visited a raw milk dairy yesterday and now kind of obsessed about learning more about their management13:59
nmz787specifically the farm is attempting to be permaculture and low/no outside chemical inputs...14:00
nmz787including fossil fuels14:00
nmz787currently the cows have pasture and forest to graze14:00
nmz787paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4615-4139-4_5114:01
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7e7f3e40d0da02e38dbc79f020270629.txt14:01
ParahSailinnmz787: these ones are mine https://plus.google.com/photos/108592484668460515128/albums/5838517469299267185?authkey=CITGk5Cfu5DdrQE14:02
ParahSailinholy crap, her horns grew a lot bigger14:02
ParahSailinthey used to be little nubbins14:03
ParahSailinnmz787: its probably likely that chemical nitrogen fixation will continue to be more effective than biological14:06
ParahSailinundoubtedly even after fossil fuels are gone, a nuclear or solar way to do that will come about14:07
nmz787ParahSailin: they look like they're doing pretty good14:13
nmz787the farmer said he doesn't use any medicine, that having native mixed-vegetation to graze allows the animals to choose toxic plants when they need... but he mentioned thinking alder tree was a de-wormer but I haven't been able to find any hard evidence on that... though I did find a few ethnobotanical veterinary medicine books that I need to scan through14:15
nmz787seems like worms really don't mess up the milk, but can cause production decreases14:16
nmz787e.coli and that other common milk bug is really my only other concern I guess... he says the milk doesn't turn white in the winter because the diversity allows there to be some green plants in the winter (this is western oregon)14:17
nmz787but i think the milk bugs are really only a problem with really sick cows, or unsanitary milking conditions14:17
nmz787i found at least one paper saying that some plants are quick to kill cows and horses though, so I do wonder if the farmer is aware of those local/present species (if there are any around here), and if so weeds them out14:18
* heath waves adíos14:20
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jrayhawke.coli is an external contamination problem and raw milk is fairly antiseptic, so generally you have to fuck up pretty bad to get contamination problems14:42
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jrayhawki don't recall having seen studies of grassfed vs. CAFO raw milk contamination rates14:43
jrayhawkseems like it would be relevant14:43
jrayhawkCAFO cows would both have crappier immunology and less sanitary living conditions14:44
nmz787http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/08/everything-there-is-to-know-about-science-in-6-seconds/279131/14:44
nmz787pretty cool video(s)14:44
ParahSailinwait, python doesnt have NaN?14:44
jrayhawkthe anti-raw-milk thing, aside from the outright intellectual dishonesty of including mexican bathtub cheese, seems likely to be driven by, and possibly even valid under, a CAFO paradigm14:45
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nmz787the farmer mentioned that he found boar taint to only affect confined animals, at least in the breed he's using (tamworth mix)14:50
nmz787it was kind of funny when I saw a goat leg in the pig pasture... guess the pigs get any and all extras14:51
jrayhawknever piss off a pig farmer14:51
jrayhawkthey can dispose of bodies *real* fast.14:52
nmz787paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s11284-008-0488-y14:53
juri_would anyone be offended if i glowed about a cool toy i helped to create here? ;)14:53
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1007/s11284-008-0488-y.pdf14:53
nmz787juri_: i say go for it14:53
juri_it falls under the 'do something' ethos of the place.14:53
juri_:)14:53
juri_myself and one of the "evil 3d printed gun people" got together, and spent about four months off and on inventing a new hotend for 3d printers.14:54
juri_we've created an ultra efficient water cooled hotend, with a crazy low thermal mass, that is capable of printing polycarbonate reliably.14:54
juri_so i got to do *something* to push technology forward. :D14:55
juri_printing polycarbonate (bulletproof glass) makes 3d printed objects just tougher.14:55
jrayhawkNext, the Gada prize!14:55
juri_i can now safely print car parts.14:55
juri_our next trick will be printing aluminium.14:56
juri_after that, we're debating whether to try to print carbon nanotubes, or whether to re-focus our work on bioprinters.14:56
gradstudentbotYeah, it should take me about 2 days.14:57
nmz787paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037887411300410814:58
juri_i've also put a frint end on the GNU GIFT image recognition system (which i maintain) that makes it useful for form sorting. it doesn't actually push the technology forward, but does make it more accessable.. assuming i can complete the image security, and permission model so that i can make it public safely.14:58
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ethnopharmacological%20.pdf14:58
nmz787juri_: why would a hot end need cooling?14:58
jrayhawkEspecially at 255-305 centigrade14:58
juri_nmz87: fine pitched thermal gradient control. you want the melt zone as small as possible.14:59
nmz787oh my a wikipedia article has someone with my last name!14:59
juri_this hot end is all steel on the inside (made of a carefully adjusted bolt), so heat has a tendency to travel to the tip of the hot end, and melt the plastic above it, creating a blockage.14:59
juri_that poor, poor bolt. its 300C at one point, and room temperature an inch away.15:00
juri_we've insulated the hell out of it, so we actually pull all the heat away via water.15:01
juri_this means we get to decide how much heat to pull away, measure the heat.. all that fun stuff.15:01
juri_bonus: on my rig here, we're installing a peltier junction, to supercool the water.15:01
juri_we're going for a really tightly controlled thermal system, as any swing causes either a bit of platic to exit the nozzle (where you don't want it), or air to be sucked into the nozzle.15:02
juri_this is practice, for printing aluminium, where the difference between "solid" "mushy" and "runny" is a few degrees.15:03
ParahSailinjuri_: you made a nozzle for printing polycarbonate?15:09
aelinoeareally really cool, in the european burn event two artists recycled old aluminium cans by heating them up and then pouring them to shapes, do you think it would be possible to use recycled aluminium also juri_ ?15:09
juri_ParahSailin: affirmative.15:10
gradstudentbotWe simply don't do enough titrations in my lab.15:10
juri_aelinoea: absolutely. its not really home economical, but its certainly possible. the difficult part is extruding it into wire.15:10
ParahSailinnot sure if id call polycarbonate bulletproof15:10
ParahSailinthats pretty cool though15:11
ParahSailinwhat is the input? pc filament?15:11
juri_it certainly won't be bulletproof once printed.15:11
aelinoeado you frequent this channel (I am #newhere) ? this is very fascinating and would love to be posted about further advancements :D15:11
juri_yepyep.15:11
ParahSailinwhat about printing polyethylene?15:11
juri_i frequent, but i'm usually quiet, as i do not want to disturb people actually doing stuff.15:11
ParahSailinis that not possible for some physical reason?15:12
juri_ParahSailin: we've shoved PC, ABS, and PLA down it. haven't tested anything else.15:12
juri_the materials should be safe up to 500C.. but no-one has been brave enough to melt a hot end yet.15:12
ParahSailinwhys it need water cooling?15:12
ParahSailinoh nevermind i see15:13
ParahSailinjuri_: how fast can you print15:13
juri_i dunno yet. its passed test, but i don't have mine in my hand yet. i beta tested the previous 4 generations.15:14
juri_so i have cooked and destroyed a lot of plastic. i get mine saturday.15:15
juri_a lot of 'how fast' is dependant on the controll system.15:15
ParahSailinhow many grams per hour could you push through it15:17
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nmz787"In the game, the fan named 'Jump man' (the character would later become Mario) must ascend a construction site while avoiding obstacles to rescue Pauline from Donkey Kong"15:24
nmz787now just change s/Pauline/journal articles/15:24
juri_no-one has done a speed test, yet. wait until i get a few weeks of pulling numbers out of it, and i'll have an answer.15:24
nmz787bam, new cartoon and game enterprise15:24
nmz787gamification of paperbot15:25
juri_the answer SHOULD be "faster than anyone else period" due to the low thermal mass, and high insulation.15:25
nmz787for al those captchas and bugs that pop up15:25
nmz787s/Mario/paperbot/15:25
ParahSailinjuri_: sounds cool15:26
ParahSailinjuri_: whats the price point gonna be15:26
juri_$250 for the kit. comes with hoses, pumps, etc.. and another $6 for the export controlled temperature sensor. (.5 C precision VS 3 degree for the non-export controlled one).15:28
juri_http://i.imgur.com/wYkWzNM.jpg15:29
ParahSailincool15:29
juri_its also much shorter than all of the traditional hotends. gives you a little bit of a boost for Z height. ;)15:29
juri_now i have to put back on my tester hat, and get miles of numbers out of this thing...15:33
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nmz787ParahSailin: one nice thing about the permaculture is that it's 'inefficiency'/lower-density relative to chemical nitrogen fixation is that I don't like dense urban environments... so supporting this might discourage the other15:51
nmz787that's sort of a wacky idea15:51
kanzurewhat's a good alternative to raspberry pi?15:53
kanzuresomething that actually works15:53
kanzureand that isn't crippled15:53
kanzurelike the other beagleboard15:55
nmz787beagle15:55
kanzureno the other one15:55
kanzurebeaglebone?15:55
nmz787depends what you want15:55
nmz787there are a few beagles15:55
nmz787http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black15:56
nmz787$4515:56
nmz787i thought the raspi was making a lot of headway15:56
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nmz787maybe the parallela (but I guess it's not widely used yet) http://shop.adapteva.com/collections/parallella/products/parallella-1616:00
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nmz787i thought there was one recently that had the DSP open for use16:00
nmz787but i can't seem to figure out if that was real or not16:00
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nmz787kanzure: this looks very nice for beaglebone https://bitbucket.org/intelligentagent/pypruss/src16:08
streetywhat's the issue with the raspberrypi? crippled in what way? (I've never used one)16:08
gradstudentbotThe autoclave smells really good.16:08
nmz787http://blog.boxysean.com/2012/08/12/first-steps-with-the-beaglebone-pru/16:08
nmz787http://elinux.org/ECE497_BeagleBone_PRU16:09
poppingtonicpaperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1157738?uid=1075664&uid=3739696&uid=2&uid=3&uid=1075640&uid=67&uid=62&uid=3739256&sid=2110254606898116:14
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.2307%2F115773816:14
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nmz787poppingtonic: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Left_Hand_of_the_Mugwe_An_Analytical_Note_on_the_Structure_of_Meru_Symbolism_.pdf16:21
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nmz787poppingtonic: please give a synopsis of your findings after reading that, it's too long for me to read now16:24
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poppingtonicnmz87: thanks, I'll do that.16:26
poppingtonicnmz787: ^16:27
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kanzureEricHunting: hello17:50
EricHuntingHi17:50
EricHuntingBeen looking at kit CNCs lately.17:53
EricHuntingThinking about working with Wikihouse to make wheeled tiny houses. Seem to be very popular lately.17:54
JayDuggerAny particular kits catch your interest?17:56
gradstudentbotYeah, that's a really good question. I don't know, but I'll have to look into that.17:57
EricHuntingDigirout has some promising ones. The DR1000 and DR1000-eco look likely.17:58
EricHuntingI have a lot of credit from my business saved up on Amazon and thought I might talk them into putting a package on there.17:59
EricHuntingThe Blackfoot from DIYcnc is already on Amazon, but with 1000 parts it seems like more hassle--and that doesn't come with a table.18:01
EricHuntingStill a big problem with where to actually put it. It could just about fit in my cottage's finished basement room, but I don't know if I could live with all the dust, even with a collector and shop air filter.18:02
JayDuggerDo you have a local hackerspace?18:03
EricHuntingAlas, no. I'm out in the desert south of Santa Fe.18:04
JayDuggerHaven't been there in years, but I doubt it urbanized much.18:05
JayDuggerWhat about leaving it outdoors, under a tent?18:06
JayDuggerIf you live far enough from your nearest neighbors, perhaps that would do.18:06
EricHuntingFor a short time that could work, but not in the winters here. High plains get a lot of snow.18:06
JayDuggerIt would expose the machinery to dirt too. You'd have to handle wear and tear.18:07
EricHuntingI thought perhaps the Wikihouse designers could come up with a work shed for it that could be made with it.18:07
JayDuggerOh, now that's a good idea.18:08
ParaSa1linwikihouse?18:08
EricHuntingThat would be a logical first project for it.18:08
JayDuggerhttp://www.wikihouse.cc/18:08
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JayDugger"...an open source construction set...allow anyone to design, download, and 'print' CNC-milled houses and components, which can be assembled with minimal formal skill or training."18:09
JayDuggerI wonder if they have treehouses.18:09
EricHuntingBuilds on the Instant House concept.18:09
EricHuntingJust a few designs there so far.18:10
JayDuggerEricHunting, you're with TMP, do I have that right?18:11
ParaSa1lintmp?18:12
JayDuggerhttp://tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page18:12
EricHuntingYes. The Millennial Project.18:12
JayDuggerThe Millennial Project 2.0, rather.18:12
JayDuggerWho in your group could answer questions about growing spirulina at home?18:13
EricHuntingA space development program first devised in the late '80s by Marshal Savage.18:13
EricHuntingMaybe Keith Dauzat <keithd21@yahoo.com>18:15
JayDuggerIs he involved with Spirulina Systems in Palmdale, CA?18:15
JayDuggerThat group has a (fully-funded) kickstarter for a home kit, and I'd like an independent opinion before putting my money down.18:16
EricHuntingI don't think so. He's only explored that and other mariculture concepts on a hobby level.18:16
JayDuggerGreat. Thank you.18:16
EricHuntingThe organization lost a lot of the original serious researchers in an old conflict over a sea or space first development agenda.18:18
ParaSa1linheh18:19
juri_has anyone here been looking at the openPNP project?18:19
ParaSa1linspace doesnt have much to offer18:19
ParaSa1linwhy not do antarctica first18:19
ParaSa1linfree air18:19
juri_the gravity works, too.18:19
JayDuggerI wondered what happened.18:20
JayDuggerAntarctica has air, gravity, and neighbors.18:21
EricHuntingThe sea has the advantage of providing a powerful sustainable energy source through OTEC.18:21
superkuhIt isn't about living space. It is about exploration of the entirely new, distribution of humanity, and being awesome.18:21
ParaSa1linantarctica is pretty new and explorable18:21
superkuhNo humans have lived in space. Who knows what kind of accidental discoveries can be made when you get people doing everyday things up there.18:21
superkuhOutside of a gravity well, in easy vacuum.18:22
ParaSa1linwhy just the other day, they discovered a canyon bigger than the grand canyon under greenland18:22
JayDuggerAnd subject to overlapping territorial claims, too. While you could make the same point about space and other heavenly bodies, Antarctica has neighbors and claimants with navies.18:22
JayDuggerAnd Elder Things. ;)18:23
EricHuntingPutin will probably parasail in astride bear and plant a flag as soon as the ice melts.18:26
JayDuggerHappy image, that.18:27
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EricHuntinghttps://twitter.com/PutinPals18:33
EricHuntingWell, I'm off. Nice chatting.18:33
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nmz787tru dat http://www.npr.org/2013/08/29/216079221/another-grand-canyon-discovered-beneath-greenlands-ice18:55
ParaSa1linpaperbot, ttp://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/99718:57
ParaSa1linpaperbot, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/99718:57
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.123979418:57
ParaSa1linpaperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1126%2Fscience.123979418:57
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Paleofluvial%20Mega-Canyon%20Beneath%20the%20Central%20Greenland%20Ice%20Sheet.pdf18:58
gradstudentbotYou know, I can just do consulting.18:58
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nmz787i dunno, that doesn't look terribly grand to me19:05
nmz787depth up to 800m19:07
nmz787grand canyon is 1800m19:07
nmz787Grand Canyon is 6.4 to 29km wide19:08
gradstudentbotThe paper was rejected.19:08
nmz787oh "The dimensions of the Greenland canyon are comparable with parts of the Grand Canyon in the United States in terms of width and length and, in its deepest region, are about half of the Grand Canyons depth."19:09
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nmz787this is cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-density_modulation#Relationship_to_biology19:41
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nmz787paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/BF0286084819:48
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1007/BF02860848.pdf19:48
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nmz787how can i search 23andme data for a gene CYB5R3?21:03
ParaSa1lindbsnp21:04
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nmz787do i search that gene name with SNP selected?21:07
nmz787so dnsnp gives the rsids for the gene, which you can then search 23andme data with?21:08
ParaSa1lindoes 23andme let you download their database?21:11
ParaSa1linftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/snp/organisms/human_9606/gene_report/CYB5R3_1727_gene_report.txt.gz21:15
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nmz787my buddy says "yea...but i need the rsid for specific snps that are named by some other convention in the literature21:31
nmz787that i dont know what it is heh21:31
nmz787already wasted enough time i needed to spend on other shit...might try again when i have some free time."21:31
nmz787pasted that link to him21:32
nmz787"  http://omim.org/entry/25080021:49
nmz787lists some stuff but nothing about snps and given how old the data is i doubt it was snps"21:49
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nmz787" so its chromosomal location is 22q13.2 but it doesnt look like RS numbers are sequential or anything to link up to site really"21:49
nmz787" http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/P0038721:49
nmz787lists some snp variants21:49
nmz787but it doesnt say if any of them are linked to physiologic expression"21:49
nmz787"CYB5R3 was mentioned, it was in reference to methemoglobinemia"21:50
ParaSa1linsnp databases have very little information on what the effects of the variant are21:51
ParaSa1linthere really isn't "data" on that sort of thing as much as "anedatum" in various papers21:52
ParaSa1linanecdatum21:52
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