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| FourFire | Greetings | 07:34 |
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| kanzure | FourFire: hi. | 08:02 |
| kanzure | nmz787: maybe one of these http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920064946/oscilloscope-watch (i'm kidding) | 08:32 |
| blueskin | nice. | 08:34 |
| blueskin | (ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney.png) | 08:34 |
| kanzure | -100 points for referring to a stupid image macro | 08:34 |
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| FourFire | What's the most interesting topic that has been raised in here in the last week? | 08:38 |
| @kanzure | the python brlcad wrappers. | 08:39 |
| @kanzure | they have been about 4 years coming, sorry for the delay. | 08:39 |
| FourFire | oh, I'm afraid i do not understand, please educate me in the interest part of that | 08:43 |
| ParahSailin | heh hardware rng that has firmware to ensure that the same "random" number doesnt occur twice in a row | 08:44 |
| @kanzure | cad allows you to computationally define hardware in a standard way | 08:44 |
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| FourFire | CAD as in Autocad and related software? | 08:45 |
| ParahSailin | im on windows machine now, do you still need that help? | 08:45 |
| @kanzure | FourFire: well, i said brlcad, not autocad | 08:45 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: yes :( | 08:45 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: do you have pip.exe installed? | 08:45 |
| * archels swigs kanzure | 08:46 | |
| @kanzure | FourFire: brlcad is the open source one written by the military. autocad is the commercial one. | 08:46 |
| FourFire | ok | 08:46 |
| @kanzure | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ucy1SxsqTfI/UVc0SekCC6I/AAAAAAAAAfE/CZoBo9SieYg/s1600/cad.png | 08:47 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: sure | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | http://www.cadcamcube.jp/image/brlcad02.jpg | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: pip install http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thing_postinstall-0.0.1.tar.gz | 08:47 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: oops i mean C:\Python27\Scripts\pip.exe install http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thing_postinstall-0.0.1.tar.gz | 08:47 |
| ParahSailin | "NameError: global name 'WindowsError' is not defined" | 08:51 |
| @kanzure | C:\Python27\Scripts\pip.exe --version | 08:51 |
| @kanzure | i'm curious what the version number is. but also, if it's less than 1.4, it's time to upgrade.. | 08:52 |
| @kanzure | C:\Python27\Scripts\pip.exe install -U pip | 08:52 |
| ParahSailin | 1.4.1 | 08:54 |
| @kanzure | well, i'm not throwing a WindowsError, so this seems to be a library problem | 08:55 |
| @kanzure | is there a traceback? | 08:55 |
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| ParahSailin | lol why is it looking for a "/home/kanzure/local/brlcad/brlcad/include/bu.h" | 09:03 |
| ParahSailin | you actually have a '#include "/home/kanzure/local/brlcad/brlcad/include/bu.h"' in a source file | 09:04 |
| ParahSailin | thing_postinstall/post_install.py: "header": "/home/kanzure/local/brlcad/brlcad/include/{0}.h".format(brlcad_library_name), | 09:07 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: true, but that shouldn't matter right now | 09:08 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: i am just testing that the basic library can be installed | 09:08 |
| ParahSailin | gcc seems to care | 09:08 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: and then i'll work on doing correct path searching | 09:08 |
| @kanzure | ah interesting, i don't have gcc installed on the windows vm i was using, so it went further | 09:09 |
| @kanzure | it was erroring out at the second imp.load_source call | 09:10 |
| @kanzure | not the first one.. which is weird.. | 09:10 |
| ParahSailin | yeah i get that imp_load traceback too | 09:11 |
| ParahSailin | imp.load.. | 09:12 |
| @kanzure | so, i found it odd because the path actually does exist | 09:13 |
| @kanzure | and if i try the imp.load_source( same path ) in a python repl, i get the same error | 09:13 |
| @kanzure | i haven't investigated the contents of the file tho | 09:13 |
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| ParahSailin | ctypesgen has a bug too | 09:21 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: what's the bug? | 09:34 |
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| ParahSailin | https://code.google.com/p/ctypesgen/issues/detail?id=45&sort=-id | 09:37 |
| @kanzure | are you using cygwin python? | 09:38 |
| @kanzure | anyway, this .tar.gz is actually using my fork of ctypesgen | 09:38 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/ctypesgen/commits/develop | 09:38 |
| @kanzure | check setup.py for the exact branch i'm currently using | 09:38 |
| ParahSailin | tried with cygwin and under cmd | 09:39 |
| @kanzure | both times you get the WindowsError thing? | 09:39 |
| ParahSailin | yeah | 09:39 |
| ParahSailin | because its not finding whatever dll its supposed to be finding | 09:40 |
| @kanzure | oh wait, that's interesting | 09:41 |
| @kanzure | what? so right now i have those stupid hardcoded paths | 09:41 |
| @kanzure | on my test vm, i installed brlcad for windows | 09:41 |
| @kanzure | so, it's possible that ctypesgen is replacing .so with .dll and then finding the dll file on my system | 09:41 |
| @kanzure | but i don't expect it t obe that clever | 09:42 |
| @kanzure | i mean, it does have some default search-for-dlls support, but i have no idea if it is mangling my libbu.so strings to libbu.dll on its own. that's fucking nuts. | 09:42 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, but biobricks don't even work. | 09:42 |
| @kanzure | if you install brlcad, it might get past that. | 09:42 |
| @kanzure | x86_64 http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/files/BRL-CAD%20for%20Windows/7.24.0/BRL-CAD_7.24.0_x64.exe/download | 09:43 |
| @kanzure | x86 http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/files/BRL-CAD%20for%20Windows/7.24.0/BRL-CAD_7.24.0_x86.exe/download | 09:43 |
| ParahSailin | well, if you're making stuff that links to brl-cad libraries, probably a good idea for the linker to be able to find them | 09:48 |
| @kanzure | on linux, the default shared-library-search-stuff provided by ctypesgen doesn't work for brlcad because brlcad installs itself to a non-standard place (/usr/lib/brlcad/lib/ and /usr/lib/brlcad/include/) | 09:49 |
| @kanzure | i guess on windows, brlcad installs its dlls correctly | 09:49 |
| gradstudentbot | Do I use a one or two sided t-test for that? | 09:52 |
| @kanzure | note that if you choose to install brlcad to try to proceed that it probably wont work under cygwin unless you find a version of brlcad compiled for cygwin | 09:53 |
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| chris_99 | paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1739154 | 10:15 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/AlienVault_the_Future_of_Security_Information_Management_.html.pdf | 10:54 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: it's actually html, not PDF, my bookmarklet appended the pdf | 10:54 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: ok this works http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/AlienVault_the_Future_of_Security_Information_Management_.html | 10:55 |
| chris_99 | oh thanks a lot | 10:55 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: sorry pics didn't come through for me either | 10:56 |
| chris_99 | oh yeah what ADC did you use for your spectrometer out of interest | 10:57 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: here the original is free actually http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/alienvault-future-security-information-management | 10:57 |
| nmz787 | with pics | 10:57 |
| nmz787 | Wolfson | 10:57 |
| chris_99 | ooh thanks | 10:57 |
| nmz787 | gah openspectrometer.com is down | 10:57 |
| chris_99 | mm | 10:58 |
| chris_99 | how many bit is that? | 10:58 |
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| nmz787 | 16 | 10:58 |
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| nmz787 | like $3 for 6MSPS | 10:58 |
| chris_99 | i'm looking for a non-differential adc to play with | 10:58 |
| chris_99 | oh nice! | 10:58 |
| nmz787 | I need to layout the board finally, was thinking of playing with it this week | 10:58 |
| nmz787 | got it all imported into kicad | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | cool | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | schematic wise | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | started laying out, but then halted since i knew nothing about analog | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | been a few months so I think I can make some more progress | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | there's also openADC | 10:59 |
| nmz787 | which is like 105 MSPS | 11:00 |
| chris_99 | are you spliting the analogue and digital planes | 11:00 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: i might be mistaken but can you just connect one side of a diff amp to ground? | 11:00 |
| gradstudentbot | I am busy researching. | 11:00 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: haven't decided yet, there are conflicting views on doing that, I might just use a 4 layer board and a whole layer for ground | 11:01 |
| chris_99 | you can but they dont work as well as a normal one iirc | 11:01 |
| chris_99 | aha, i split the adc and digital + rail, on a board | 11:02 |
| chris_99 | i designed | 11:02 |
| chris_99 | using a ferrite bead and caps | 11:02 |
| chris_99 | i need to solder it up now | 11:02 |
| chris_99 | though | 11:02 |
| nmz787 | i heard a guy do that recently for a 24 MSPS setup | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | he wasn't dealing with super small signals, but he also employed some common-mode choke | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | which i need to learn about | 11:03 |
| ParahSailin | what exactly is your goal for brlcad | 11:03 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: python wrapper | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: without having to manually write 10,000 lines of code. there's no reason to commit the output of ctypesgen directly to the repo. it's generated code and it's disgusting. | 11:05 |
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| ParahSailin | wrapper for mged? | 11:05 |
| @kanzure | mged is the gui | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | the interesting parts are libged, libwdb, librtgeom, i think | 11:06 |
| ParahSailin | ah | 11:06 |
| chris_99 | nmz787, i'll try and find you the paper i based mine on | 11:06 |
| @kanzure | anyway, brlcad has been getting lots of improvements to its nurbs support | 11:06 |
| chris_99 | nmz787, www.ti.com/lit/an/scaa048/scaa048.pdf | 11:08 |
| ParahSailin | libged builds ok on cygwin | 11:08 |
| ParahSailin | oops actually not | 11:10 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: cool, i'll check it out | 11:10 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: why are you trying to build brlcad on cygwin? | 11:11 |
| nmz787 | somethng i read said to use a low q value inductor, for a power filter, but I don't know what q means! | 11:11 |
| chris_99 | does q normally mean charge | 11:13 |
| chris_99 | oh on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor#Q_factor | 11:14 |
| ParahSailin | because its the sane cli environment for windows | 11:14 |
| nmz787 | cygwin's always seemed clunky to me | 11:15 |
| nmz787 | it didn't install easily enough for the value | 11:15 |
| ParahSailin | lol you had trouble installing cygwin? | 11:16 |
| nmz787 | idk, it's been a while since i tried | 11:19 |
| nmz787 | it wasn't 1 click, which is about all the patience i have on windows | 11:20 |
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| @kanzure | if you want one-click cygwin install, let me know | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | i currently have a pile of python that hacks in over port 139 on windows and installs cygwin automatically | 11:24 |
| @kanzure | doesn't even require a password if the version of windows is old enough | 11:24 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/impacket/tree/develop | 11:24 |
| @kanzure | man i hate myself | 11:24 |
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| ParahSailin | i dont think ctypesgen nor python know what to do with .lib dlls | 11:31 |
| ParahSailin | maybe it just needs to be told here on line 235 that .lib files exist https://code.google.com/p/ctypesgen/source/browse/trunk/ctypesgencore/libraryloader.py | 11:35 |
| ParahSailin | nope that fails horrible derpll = ctypes.WinDLL("c:\Program Files\BRLCAD 7.24.0\lib\libbn.lib") | 11:38 |
| ParahSailin | might have to use cygwin | 11:51 |
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| ParahSailin | its pretty awesome how tcl is included in every single library of brlcad | 12:05 |
| @kanzure | i think by awesome you mean annoying | 12:11 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: if you have to use absolute paths for now, that's fine. i was planning on fixing htis aspect later. | 12:12 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: the main item of concern was the post install script for me. it's doing a lot of funky shit that setuptools wasn't meant to do (generating python modules, then loading those modules... yikes). | 12:12 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: technically, it is possible to get rid of the requirement to load the python modules.. that's how i am scanning for which symbols are already available. but it might be possible to do that by introspection of the ctypesgencore results. this is how the generated libraries are able ot reference the same types. otherwise ctypesgencore will create a new struct_bu_whatever in libwdb.py and a different struct_bu_whatever type in ... | 12:13 |
| @kanzure | ... libbu.py (and they won't be usable across boundaries). | 12:13 |
| @kanzure | gosh that explanation might suck, let me know | 12:13 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: no, actually ctypes will not load that file at all | 12:22 |
| ParahSailin | it dies horribly when you try to load .lib files | 12:22 |
| ParahSailin | and yeah, i was being facetious about tcl | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | actually there's another ctypes loader function | 12:24 |
| ParahSailin | which one is used for .lib files | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | wait, what's wrong with the dll files? | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | libbn.dll should be on your system somewhere now | 12:25 |
| ParahSailin | thats what im trying to tell you | 12:25 |
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| @kanzure | "No. ctypes relies upon the OS to actually load the library, and the OS doesn't provide any mechanism to load a ".lib" file. " | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: okay, one moment | 12:25 |
| ParahSailin | for some reason brlcad windows has all those shared libs as .lib and not .dll | 12:26 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: /join #brlcad | 12:26 |
| ParahSailin | thats what i did | 12:29 |
| ParahSailin | erp wrong window | 12:29 |
| ParahSailin | is user brlcad there or something? | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | he was around 20-25 minutes ago, he's probably just looking at code and not irc at the moment | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | 19:06 < kanzure> where are dll files installed on windows for brlcad? | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | 19:55 < brlcad> kanzure: I believe the dll's reside in the folder with the binaries (as is customary with most windows applications, especially those that avoid the registry) | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | there was this other line of convo a while back where he said he might have to add a build step for the windows version, but i can't find evidence of this | 12:36 |
| ParahSailin | there are _some_ dlls in that directory | 12:36 |
| ParahSailin | wow wait why is openNURBS-static.lib 500+MB | 12:37 |
| @kanzure | that's from rhino and possibly not brlcad's fault | 12:45 |
| @kanzure | also that's something you should ask them | 12:45 |
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| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's the new grad student's fault. | 12:48 |
| chido | is it just me or is grandstudentbot getting smarter | 12:55 |
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| archels | *cough* mechanical Turk *cough* | 12:58 |
| chris_99 | haha | 12:58 |
| * juri_ adds brl-cad to the evaluation list. | 12:59 | |
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| ParahSailin | when you do "derp <(intask) >(outtask) &" stuff, bash should make it so that ^C does not kill the intask and outtask | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | that might be a cygwin problem | 13:21 |
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| @kanzure | archels: mturk isn't consistently funny | 13:22 |
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| ParahSailin | nah this is a linux problem | 13:25 |
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| justanotheruser | Hello | 23:21 |
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