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| pasky | kanzure: the real bug is the first line shouldn't be there, as it's obviously confusing | 02:17 |
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| pasky | kanzure: you don't run this script standalone, you run it from blender and blender shoves python3 down your throat, you like it or not :) | 02:18 |
| pasky | but it does it in a weird way that won't set up the searchpath properly | 02:18 |
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| EnLilaSko | paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8801962 | 08:57 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1017/S0007114512000566.pdf | 08:57 |
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| @kanzure | i'm not making much progress on the python/windows problem | 11:09 |
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| -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by kanzure | 11:23 | |
| archels | paperbot: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/07388551.2013.823595 | 11:38 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.3109/07388551.2013.823595.pdf | 11:38 |
| archels | .title | 11:39 |
| archels | Review Article | 11:39 |
| archels | An overview of the last 10 years of genetically engineered crop safety research | 11:39 |
| kanzure | #swhack turned off .title on their bot | 11:39 |
| kanzure | pasky: is blender all C? | 11:45 |
| kanzure | hm looks like yes https://svn.blender.org/svnroot/bf-blender/trunk/blender/source/blender/bmesh/operators/ | 11:47 |
| entelechios | man i saw some website the other day | 12:04 |
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| entelechios | freaking out over the singularity university's giving away of GFP-infused houseplants | 12:04 |
| entelechios | i get the detriments of some of the things that happen in the realm of GE stuff but getting all shrill about it is never a very convincing or persuasive way to get people to care about these issues | 12:06 |
| entelechios | especially people who matter (IE the biotechnologists themselves) | 12:06 |
| kanzure | it was probably those etcgroup people. they did one of those anti-kickstarter pages. it was boring as all hell. | 12:14 |
| entelechios | yeah those goons | 12:19 |
| entelechios | they just left such a weak impression on me hahaha | 12:19 |
| cluckj | yes | 12:21 |
| cluckj | same here | 12:21 |
| kanzure | just ignore them, it's not worth your energy | 12:25 |
| kanzure | if you insist on reading their material and complaints, just don't bring it up | 12:25 |
| kanzure | also, for fun, replace every time they say "seed" with "human" or "person" | 12:25 |
| kanzure | (and suddenly they will sound like a radical eugenics org) | 12:26 |
| cluckj | hahahaha | 12:26 |
| cluckj | :) | 12:26 |
| kanzure | "We must control environmental release of humans", etc | 12:27 |
| cluckj | "these humans are a danger if released" | 12:28 |
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| kanzure | right? "Oh yeah, good job guys, really insightful fucking contribution..." | 12:29 |
| cluckj | bbl, train's getting in soon | 12:31 |
| archels | Blender at the least is also Python | 12:31 |
| kanzure | archels: i'm concerned about how they choose to integrate python | 12:32 |
| kanzure | archels: you should be able to import blender in other python projects, not "run your python project entirely inside blender's runtime just because you use some aspect of blender once" | 12:32 |
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| archels | Blender-as-a-library. | 12:35 |
| archels | that would be nice | 12:35 |
| nalkri | Death to applications! | 12:36 |
| nalkri | Library-ify all the code! | 12:36 |
| nalkri | Sorry, personal rant >.> | 12:36 |
| archels | NeXT wooo | 12:36 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: so i fixed the brlcad post-install error. it turns out the path had to be to _bindings\__init__.py and not just _bindings\ | 12:37 |
| kanzure | nalkri: well, why not? why should i have to run the blender runtime just to manipulate some meshes? | 12:37 |
| kanzure | archels: you could always just raytrace all your neurons.. | 12:38 |
| nalkri | kanzure: no, I really mean it, I just didn't mean to randomly turn up shouting in the channel | 12:38 |
| kanzure | i wonder if blender would be easier to understand as a library | 12:40 |
| kanzure | i would much rather learn which commands and objects to construct than which buttons to press like a jackass | 12:40 |
| kanzure | oops i mean shortcuts | 12:40 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: so now i need to figure out how to cross-platformly pick brlcad .dll or .so files. | 12:42 |
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| juri_ | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.3390/mi4010049 | 14:29 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Enhanced%20Liquid%20Metal%20Micro%20Droplet%20Generation%20%20by%20Pneumatic%20Actuation%20Based%20on%20the%20StarJet%20Method.pdf | 14:29 |
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| pasky | anyone knows how much dead opencog is? | 17:43 |
| kanzure | i haven't heard any spam from ben goertzel in a long time | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i would say it's especially dead if he's not in china now. i haven't looked. | 17:44 |
| pasky | thanks! hmm, is there any other strong ai initiative worth looking at, currently? | 17:46 |
| kanzure | blue brain project | 17:57 |
| kanzure | and whatever archels says | 17:57 |
| pasky | hmm i suppose blue brain can be regarded as agi, i guess i had something less.. neurological ;) in mind (seems to me that with neurology simulation it's quite certain that nothing too interesting will likely happen in next 20 years; with other approaches, the confidence bounds are quite looser, but in both directions) | 18:03 |
| kanzure | why does it matter if it's "agi" or "ai" or whatever? we know that (human, and some non-human) brains are doing interesting things, so let's do that, right? | 18:05 |
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| kanzure | Error 193: %1 is not a valid Win32 application. line: _dlopen in ctypes.cdll. | 18:09 |
| kanzure | weird how %1 is not being formatted correctly :( | 18:09 |
| pasky | kanzure: dunno, having a conscious, thinking computer is much more interesting for me personally than emulating dog's brain playing fetch | 18:11 |
| gradstudentbot | So, I'll let you have my reagents when I'm done with my project. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | fuck consciousness, that's bullshit | 18:11 |
| kanzure | same crap as having a soul | 18:12 |
| kanzure | or life force | 18:12 |
| pasky | well i didn't mean it in an esoteric way, more like "has to be really smart" way | 18:12 |
| pasky | having its own agenda, i guess | 18:13 |
| kanzure | could you clarify about the playing fetch part? | 18:13 |
| kanzure | so let's say that you had a pile of software that did brain-like things | 18:13 |
| kanzure | and i tested it once upon a time with a game of fetch | 18:13 |
| kanzure | are you arguing that this testing invalidates the software or something? | 18:13 |
| kanzure | i am currently dealing with windows/python issues so conversations are presently hazy for me | 18:14 |
| pasky | what i meant is that it seems clear to me that creating sufficiently complex synthetic neural networks is very far ahead; it's far less clear how long other approaches can reach a similar goal, which means it's more likely that they'll take longer but also more likely they can offer some shortcuts, and shortcuts are interesting to me :) | 18:16 |
| kanzure | have you read the brain emulation roadmap? | 18:17 |
| pasky | it seems likely that synthetic nns will go through similar phases as brains of animals and most of these seem really boring :) | 18:17 |
| pasky | i've read some, which one do you have in mind? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | the one that anders and todd wrote | 18:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf | 18:18 |
| pasky | thanks, gomm | 18:19 |
| pasky | *gonna read | 18:19 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: aughhh the other problem was that i was using 32-bit brlcad in 64-bit python. | 18:35 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v365/n6447/abs/365611a0.html | 21:01 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2F365611a0 | 21:01 |
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| klafka | so are 3d printers really going to get better substantially due to those laser sintering patents expiring ? | 22:37 |
| klafka | also will it not use abs plastics like formlabs? | 22:38 |
| gradstudentbot | The paper got rejected. | 22:39 |
| fredox | depends on the price of lasers | 22:42 |
| fredox | not overly keen on the resin based ones | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | paperbot:http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1365-2672.2005.02563.x | 23:08 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1111/j.1365-2672.2005.02563.x.pdf | 23:08 |
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| juri_ | resins end up pretty expensive. | 23:14 |
| juri_ | i'm working on PC printing. | 23:15 |
| nalkri | PC? | 23:24 |
| nalkri | Polycarbonate? | 23:26 |
| gradstudentbot | No no no no! Use your key commands! | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | anyone here in UK? | 23:31 |
| nalkri | Yes | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | talkin about this stuff? | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | there is cheap resin avail for u | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | untested for 3D but should work AFAIK | 23:32 |
| nalkri | Oh, for STL? | 23:32 |
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| nalkri | I'd don't have an STL printer so I couldn't use it even if it were free | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/EcoVomp_UV-L_Resin.pdf | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | they sell it for composite material use | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | but it's made from linseed oil | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | shipping to U.S. was weird last year for hazardous materials, dunno if that's changed | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | it would've made it expensive unless I bought a few thousand dollars worth at a time | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | but for ppl in UK or EU it was super cheap | 23:35 |
| nalkri | Cool, I'll keep it i nmind for if anyone asks | 23:35 |
| nalkri | And I do like bioplastics | 23:35 |
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| nmz787 | "regarding 1kg of resin being delivered to you in the US - we would have to use a carrier and it is working out approx 105.00 sterling plus the cost of 1kg of resin @ 14.25" | 23:35 |
| gradstudentbot | Am I going to be first author? | 23:36 |
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