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| justanotheruser | nmz787: is it laid out in an easy-to-parse fashion? | 00:02 |
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| Dantespeaks | is it possible to see if you have an abnormality in your brain through somekind of scanning technology? I don't mean particular physical injury or alzheimers or something, but say a person has an OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) or, hormonal imbalance or something, will this light up in the scans? | 03:38 |
| Dantespeaks | if this person is doing a certain activity - that particular region(s) of the brain will light up or something. | 03:38 |
| nalkri | fNMR | 03:40 |
| nalkri | f is for functional, i.e. watching what's actually happening | 03:40 |
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| Dantespeaks | cool~ so you can somewhat semi-see the regions thats active. i wonder how accurate it is. | 03:46 |
| Dantespeaks | but it's probably not too good for your health aye? like xrays develop tumours or something if you use it too often | 03:47 |
| nalkri | We're already at the edge of my knowledge but as I understand it NMR is at least as safe as x-ray imaging | 03:48 |
| nalkri | And x-rays like other high-energy radiation increase mutagenesis, and the relationship between that and carcinogenesis is rather complex | 03:48 |
| Dantespeaks | so i guess then it's mainly for medical purposes but not every-day experiment diagnosis. | 03:48 |
| nalkri | Medicine/research | 03:49 |
| Dantespeaks | but this thing is magnetic, not radiation isnt it? | 03:49 |
| Dantespeaks | something closer to a CT scan.. | 03:49 |
| Dantespeaks | i'll research on it. thanks. | 03:49 |
| nalkri | CT is generally x-ray | 03:49 |
| Dantespeaks | for the lead. | 03:49 |
| Dantespeaks | oh | 03:49 |
| nalkri | Just low powered and based around slices | 03:49 |
| Dantespeaks | oh | 03:50 |
| Dantespeaks | fascinating. | 03:50 |
| nalkri | It's computer tomography, actual tomography is slicing things into very fine layers to study structure | 03:50 |
| Dantespeaks | they actually cut the brain for that dont they? | 03:50 |
| Dantespeaks | or can they scan and do it virtually | 03:50 |
| Dantespeaks | ah nevermind, i will research this thoroughly very interesting. | 03:51 |
| nalkri | Slice the brains of dead donors | 03:51 |
| nalkri | And use fNMR and things for the living | 03:51 |
| nalkri | Also look at PET(positron emission tomography) | 03:51 |
| Dantespeaks | ok, cool devices | 03:51 |
| nalkri | And for less invasive things you of course have EEGs and fNIR sensors | 03:51 |
| Dantespeaks | probably costs hundreds of thousands of dollars each | 03:51 |
| nalkri | Which are harder to map but can still be corelated to activity once you have enough general data | 03:52 |
| Dantespeaks | ok | 03:52 |
| Dantespeaks | im just wondering if you've found regions in the brain which has been distorted as you grew older somehow environmentally or otherwise, | 03:53 |
| Dantespeaks | if there is a way to "reboot" that region. | 03:53 |
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| Dantespeaks | probably would have to regenerate the cell in that region or something - i heard they use tiny nanobridges to heal the damages/gap between cells | 03:53 |
| nalkri | I don't know, if you find out please report back :) | 03:54 |
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| Dantespeaks | sure cool thnaks | 03:54 |
| nalkri | And there are neural pacemakers now | 03:54 |
| nalkri | To help with neral storm | 03:54 |
| nalkri | ERm, s/neural storm/epilepsy/ | 03:54 |
| Dantespeaks | you know tons about this | 03:54 |
| Dantespeaks | ok im jotting it all down | 03:54 |
| nalkri | I know the surface levels of a lot of things :) | 03:54 |
| nalkri | I'm a good supply of keywords to shove into wikis/search engines | 03:55 |
| Dantespeaks | details follow the surface, you're on your way. | 03:55 |
| nalkri | And I have a family histry of epilepsy(and an interest in cerebral enhancements because I'm not intelligent enough) | 03:55 |
| Dantespeaks | probably because you dont have enough patience, i think neurons in certain regions becomes more packed/condensed as you study that specific area whatever intelligence youve got | 03:57 |
| Dantespeaks | eventually changing your synapses/patterns who knows | 03:57 |
| Dantespeaks | if one regenerates the region in the brain where theres the problem | 03:58 |
| Dantespeaks | i mean cell-wise, | 03:58 |
| Dantespeaks | what exactly would happen? would this person lose a part of his memories/identity? | 03:58 |
| Dantespeaks | would epilepsy or other causes be "rebooted" in such a way it begins with a blank state? | 03:59 |
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| Dantespeaks | *slate | 03:59 |
| Dantespeaks | im just imagining, but i think it's worth a look, i can only imagine the surface things as well so- if anyone cares to look into this please share results. | 04:00 |
| Dantespeaks | sorry y'all for the rambling. gotta sleep havent slept in long. thanks. | 04:02 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:37 |
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| kanzure | 03:51 < nalkri> And for less invasive things you of course have EEGs and fNIR sensors | 08:32 |
| kanzure | 03:52 < Dantespeaks> probably costs hundreds of thousands of dollars each | 08:32 |
| kanzure | that's.. not the cost of eeg. | 08:32 |
| nalkri | kanzure: that was lag | 08:32 |
| nalkri | He was still talking about NMR and stuff | 08:32 |
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| entelech1os | paperbot: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16625590 | 13:05 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1002%2F14651858.CD003730.pub2 | 13:05 |
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| jrayhawk | paperbot: http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/23241129 | 13:49 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3fb5ac90d2c147c7853e1ddb20410554.txt | 13:49 |
| jrayhawk | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23241129 | 13:50 |
| kanzure | you killed it | 13:52 |
| kanzure | maybe | 13:53 |
| kanzure | maybe it is busy downloading | 13:53 |
| kanzure | paperbot needs to be asynchronous | 13:53 |
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| superkuh | Signed up for 23andMe finally. It should be fun. | 15:25 |
| kanzure | congrats you just had to wait until the company was about to go under | 15:25 |
| superkuh | That's news to me. | 15:26 |
| kanzure | i might be misremembering. i'll have to look around for this. | 15:26 |
| INSANITYWOLF | theyll get bought by google | 15:28 |
| INSANITYWOLF | or carlyle or someone who wants the database | 15:28 |
| INSANITYWOLF | im sure booz allen would love it | 15:29 |
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