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| kyknos_ | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1359005/ | 04:42 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Evolutionary%20attempts%20at%204%20eyes%20in%20vertebrates..pdf | 04:43 |
| kyknos_ | paperbot: http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/doi/abs/10.1643/CE-12-125 | 04:54 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8e240502b44eed4afefc5c55ee24b3e3.txt | 04:54 |
| Tukotih_ | kyknos_: lol, nice paper | 05:08 |
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| kyknos_ | paperbot: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pfeil-verlag.de%2F04biol%2Fpdf%2Fief23_4_02.pdf&ei=P_N0UtrmEYurhAfjwoGQAw&usg=AFQjCNFUNNykKdnAzIDnXH3sUpiV5fR8Ow&sig2=BFC8LrJm0K3d-rtDrJcNEg&bvm=bv.55819444,d.ZG4 | 05:43 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d6ffc91ed1dae20e8a6f3e8d575e8f75.txt | 05:43 |
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| @kanzure | hrm | 10:24 |
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| @kanzure | not as fun as the ian buttworthy typing game but here's a typing thing, http://phoboslab.org/ztype/ i got to level 35 | 10:41 |
| @kanzure | oh it's because j looks like i | 10:45 |
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| rigel | there used to be a vi-teaching video game | 11:09 |
| rigel | i cant seem to find it | 11:09 |
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| @kanzure | rigel: vitutor | 11:18 |
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| @kanzure | i wonder why cad seems so difficult. it's just a bunch of shapes and transformations.. what could be hard about this? | 11:32 |
| abetusk | kanzure, user interface is non-trivial | 11:32 |
| @kanzure | not even thinking about UI | 11:33 |
| abetusk | ...openscad | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | openscad sucks | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | they wrote their own language and i hate them for this | 11:33 |
| abetusk | simple language that does what you want for simple things | 11:33 |
| abetusk | why? | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | no it doesn't do what i want, fuck you | 11:33 |
| @kanzure | i don't even think it's turing complete at this point | 11:33 |
| abetusk | yes, that is true | 11:33 |
| abetusk | well...maybe | 11:34 |
| abetusk | TM equivalence is pretty easy | 11:34 |
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| @kanzure | but why would cad require a new language! these two are completely unrelated. | 11:34 |
| abetusk | you were just lamenting how it was hard to do anything in existing CAD software | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | no | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | i was lamenting how cad seems difficult to write | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | the engines | 11:34 |
| @kanzure | like this: | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/ | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | for some reason opencascade's programmers thinks that cad has to be incomprehensible | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | *think | 11:35 |
| abetusk | oh, and fuck you too | 11:35 |
| @kanzure | regarding what? | 11:35 |
| abetusk | <kanzure> no it doesn't do what i want, fuck you | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | in that context, it is obvious why i am saying fuck you | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | please make your fucks more clear | 11:36 |
| abetusk | please do the same | 11:36 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 11:36 |
| abetusk | make your fucks clear. It wasn't | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | i am telling you that it doesn't do what i want and you should put much more thought into your suggestions | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | openscad is a lazy suggestion that shows you haven't really considered what we're talking about | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | openscad is clear enough itself. :\ | 11:37 |
| abetusk | it was an obvious suggestions to show that your request was not well though out | 11:37 |
| @kanzure | it's like saying "use blender, bro" | 11:37 |
| abetusk | your fist shaking is equally as vacuous | 11:38 |
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| @kanzure | i believe i have shown adequate reasoning at this point | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | including the point about their integrated language, and i could bring up the weird GUI integration too (why should a cad engine have a GUI in it??) | 11:38 |
| @kanzure | but i think they might have finally separated the GUI out- i'm not completely sure. i haven't checked in 6 months or something. | 11:39 |
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| @kanzure | have you used openscad? | 11:40 |
| abetusk | yes | 11:40 |
| @kanzure | have you used brlcad? | 11:40 |
| abetusk | I started to but I found the learning curve a bit steep | 11:40 |
| @kanzure | any commercial cad engines ever? | 11:41 |
| abetusk | no | 11:41 |
| @kanzure | i recently learned that brlcad's internal is unfortunately tainted by tk in a few ways | 11:43 |
| abetusk | do you use brlcad? | 11:43 |
| @kanzure | i have been writing python bindings against brlcad recently https://github.com/kanzure/python-brlcad | 11:43 |
| abetusk | nice | 11:44 |
| abetusk | wait...so brlcad also has a non separable gui integrated via tk? | 11:46 |
| @kanzure | well... no. | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | oh, first, i misspoke | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | i meant tcl | 11:47 |
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| @kanzure | tcl is integrated throughout the core of their engine in a few weird places (and they are aware of this and want to eventually move away from this) | 11:47 |
| @kanzure | they do have tk gui components that are separable | 11:48 |
| @kanzure | i'm trying to figure out if implicitcad does stl generation on its own or if it's just an openscad wrapper https://github.com/colah/ImplicitCAD/blob/master/implicit.cabal | 11:52 |
| @kanzure | the ExtOpenScad module seems to just be a parser, so that's unrelated | 11:53 |
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| ParahSail1n | still need windows testing of your brlcad bindings? | 12:11 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: a little, yes.. | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: make sure you have brlcad installed using hte "global install" option. or erm.. "system-wide". | 12:21 |
| ParahSail1n | maybe you just want to package the dll files in the pip package | 12:21 |
| @kanzure | no thanks | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | wasn't that opennurbs one something like 400 MB ? | 12:22 |
| ParahSail1n | ohshit forgot that | 12:22 |
| @kanzure | and it would mean i have to package shared libraries for every conceivable target platform | 12:22 |
| ParahSail1n | well you could just do that for windows and count on sane settings on all the other platforms | 12:23 |
| ParahSail1n | but the 400mb dll rules that out, so nevermind | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | windows should be working as-is | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | but i haven't had anyone other than me confirm it | 12:23 |
| @kanzure | and i don't really trust myself here | 12:23 |
| ParahSail1n | installing with "add to system PATH for all users" | 12:27 |
| ParahSail1n | by default it wants to bury itself in "my documents" | 12:28 |
| ParahSail1n | where do you need it to be? | 12:28 |
| @kanzure | C:\Program Files (x86)\ | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | or C:\Program Files\ | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | depending on whether or not it's the x86 or x64 version | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | strange that it would pick "my documents" :( | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | i don't know how to deal with that. or why it picked that. | 12:33 |
| ParahSail1n | heh nevermind, it picked that because i didnt run as root | 12:34 |
| ParahSail1n | oddly, it picked (x86) to install the x64 version in | 12:34 |
| @kanzure | yes, i saw that behavior regarding x86/x64 too | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | so i just went with it | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | re: Administrator/root, i'll have to add that to the README. good catch. | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | make sure you read the python-brlcad README for the windows install. i have some other notes there. | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | it turns out that the mingw option wont work | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | (someone posted a bug about it) | 12:36 |
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| nmz787 | paperbot: www.bioone.org/doi/pdf/10.1643/CE-12-125 | 14:40 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.bioone.org/doi/pdf/10.1643/CE-12-125 | 14:41 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1643/CE-12-125 | 14:41 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/58904a1a02b79b77f297d34098063f2c.pdf | 14:41 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6db389203d55501c96f90f21dad9c2e.txt | 14:41 |
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| @kanzure | so how long until someone tries to sell a kinect interface to starcraft because of ender's game. :\ | 17:40 |
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| ThomasEgi | a kinect? for starcraft?... i can't imagine that a laggy kinect could keep up with the >200 APM from a korean pro players | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | i know. but someone will do it because they think it will be "cool". | 18:10 |
| @kanzure | i am just emotionally preparing myself for being annoyed by that. | 18:10 |
| ThomasEgi | let them try.. and they'll see how "cool" it is when their arms feel like lead after a lost match. | 18:11 |
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| @kanzure | well, the pro matches are only, what, 10 minutes these days? 5? | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | anyway, yes i agree | 18:12 |
| ThomasEgi | those interfaces are really exhausting. try waving your arms like crazy for 5 minutes. | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | that is essentially how i type | 18:12 |
| @kanzure | i just flail my fingers around until words happen | 18:12 |
| ThomasEgi | it's great for workout and casual games. but for a productive environment i highly recommend the speed and precision of a keyboard and a mouse/tablet | 18:13 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, you don't happen to have any sources on where to get electroactive polymers, do you? | 18:16 |
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| @kanzure | no, but i would ask superkuh if i had to get that | 18:17 |
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| ThomasEgi | while i am asking. you don't happen to know someone with carbon nanotube experience,too? | 18:36 |
| ThomasEgi | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/323/5921/1575 | 18:46 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1168312 | 18:46 |
| ThomasEgi | i love you paperbot | 18:49 |
| Adifex | what happened to gradstudentbot? | 18:51 |
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| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: i know people that worked on carbon nanotube modeling in nanoengineer, does that count? | 19:00 |
| ThomasEgi | hm. i was looking for someone who may be able to tell me more about how difficult it would be to redo the work of the above paper. | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | Adifex: i sort of ran out of content to feed into it. | 19:01 |
| nmz787 | kyknos_: i got a paper for you earlier but you were gone | 19:38 |
| nmz787 | kyknos_: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/58904a1a02b79b77f297d34098063f2c.pdf | 19:39 |
| nmz787 | gnusha: still logging? | 19:44 |
| nmz787 | gnusha: dumplog | 19:44 |
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| @kanzure | wtf | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | well that screwed up | 23:12 |
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| @kanzure | i think i fixed everything. let me know if i broke the channel. | 23:19 |
| -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+oooo juul fenn archels ParahSailin] by kanzure | 23:20 | |
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