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| Dantespeaks | kanzure, you have roughly 400,000 USD dollars! | 00:41 |
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| Dantespeaks | how do you "extort" litecoin? | 00:46 |
| Dantespeaks | did you mine all this? | 00:46 |
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| Dantespeaks | I need money sigh... | 04:15 |
| Dantespeaks | Anyone know how to make some money without having to wash dishes let me know please. | 04:15 |
| Dantespeaks | I'd like some security in order to study. | 04:15 |
| blueskin | prostitution? | 04:15 |
| * blueskin runs | 04:16 | |
| Dantespeaks | not good looking enough. | 04:16 |
| blueskin | /r/slavelabour | 04:16 |
| blueskin | mostly people offering services, but sometimes people hire too | 04:16 |
| Dantespeaks | need time to study. prefer something home based.... | 04:16 |
| blueskin | yeah, most stuff on slavelabour is | 04:16 |
| blueskin | from web design to "do my homework for me" | 04:17 |
| Dantespeaks | you guys are luck you're in USA. you can apply for the mechanical turk amazon program. | 04:17 |
| Dantespeaks | Canadians are rejected. | 04:17 |
| * blueskin isn't murican | 04:17 | |
| Dantespeaks | i can't do that stuff im not so interested. | 04:17 |
| Dantespeaks | sigh whatever | 04:17 |
| Dantespeaks | how did kanzure get so many litecoins. | 04:18 |
| Dantespeaks | kanzure, if you don't need to cash these litecoins out, are you a multi-millionaire? | 04:19 |
| Dantespeaks | how much you got? | 04:19 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 08:28 |
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| kanzure | JayDugger: hi | 08:38 |
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| juri_ | hio! | 09:16 |
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| eudoxia | kanz why do you want to get rid of your coins so much | 09:39 |
| eudoxia | are the feds after you for economic terrorism | 09:40 |
| Dantespeaks | is there a way i can get your coins kanzure | 09:42 |
| Dantespeaks | i'll do anything! | 09:42 |
| juri_ | And so it begins.. </kosh> | 09:42 |
| kanzure | juri_: i'm an idiot sometimes | 09:44 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: there's some non-zero benefit to having others involved | 09:44 |
| juri_ | we're all idiots, most of the time. :) | 09:44 |
| kanzure | Dantespeaks: give me an address | 09:44 |
| Dantespeaks | really? i'll make an wallet right now | 09:47 |
| eudoxia | i wonder if someone has made something like that brainwallet thing for litecoins/other coins | 09:49 |
| eudoxia | i could google it i guess | 09:50 |
| kanzure | https://liteaddress.org/ click 'brain wallet' | 09:50 |
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| Dantespeaks | ok | 09:54 |
| Dantespeaks | doing it. | 09:54 |
| Dantespeaks | i dont care if the coins will cause me problems, send me as much as you can | 09:54 |
| Dantespeaks | hahah | 09:54 |
| Dantespeaks | sick and tired of having no assets any way :( | 09:54 |
| Dantespeaks | ok | 09:56 |
| Dantespeaks | it's showing me litecoin address, | 09:56 |
| Dantespeaks | and private key | 09:56 |
| Dantespeaks | which shall i send you? | 09:56 |
| eudoxia | pm him the address | 09:57 |
| Dantespeaks | ok | 09:57 |
| juri_ | i concentrate more on making things possible with less resources. a good part of my last month has been spent evaluating different options for home construction of a vacuum chamber capable of diamond like carbon deposition on aluminium oxide. | 09:57 |
| chris_99 | whats the vac chamber gonna be made out of? | 09:58 |
| chris_99 | and what pump? | 09:58 |
| eudoxia | are you going to try implementing the freitas process? | 09:58 |
| eudoxia | pls say yes | 09:58 |
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| juri_ | we've basically shifted from a steel laminate to a fused aluminium + viton + glass system. | 10:00 |
| Dantespeaks | i did it kanzure | 10:00 |
| kanzure | you sent me your private key | 10:00 |
| Dantespeaks | oh what am i suppose to send you | 10:00 |
| Dantespeaks | yup sent the litecoin address | 10:01 |
| Dantespeaks | brb | 10:01 |
| kanzure | that litecoin address is now useless because someone other than you knows its private key | 10:01 |
| juri_ | for CVD, we're going to use methane heated to a plasma by microwave. | 10:01 |
| jamila | haha | 10:02 |
| jamila | dante you're well funny | 10:02 |
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| juri_ | we're a small group, but we discuss it for a couple of hours each day. | 10:02 |
| juri_ | right now, the core debate is whether to fuse aluminium by using a microwave + silicon carbide to form aluminium carbide, or just insist that people start with a big honkin block of aluminium. i want to join smaller pieces, but do not know about the joining process. afaict, no-one has tried it. | 10:04 |
| Dantespeaks | oh ill make a new one | 10:04 |
| Dantespeaks | sorry | 10:04 |
| Dantespeaks | done | 10:05 |
| kanzure | Dantespeaks: keep the private key safe forever | 10:05 |
| Dantespeaks | ok ty i will | 10:06 |
| chris_99 | what kind of vacuum do you need for this juri_ in torr? | 10:06 |
| juri_ | 10^-4 | 10:07 |
| chris_99 | do you need one of those turbo molecular pumps for that | 10:08 |
| juri_ | i don't know, honestly. i'm working with a group (hacDC), and we've inherited all kinds of pumps. | 10:08 |
| chris_99 | ah nice | 10:08 |
| juri_ | for all i know, we don't even have the pump we need. going through pumps is on my 'todo' list near the top. | 10:09 |
| chris_99 | i think you can even chain pumps or something iirc? | 10:09 |
| juri_ | now, i want to build one of these personally, so i'm going to have to just buy what i need. | 10:09 |
| juri_ | from what i've been reading, there's a two pump system for this. | 10:09 |
| chris_99 | aha | 10:10 |
| juri_ | i've watched all of the thin film stuff on youtube, that makes me an expert, right? ;) | 10:10 |
| fredox | vacuum pumps are cheap as dirt | 10:11 |
| chris_99 | not ones that give high vacuums | 10:11 |
| fredox | two stage is more than adequate for that | 10:11 |
| Dantespeaks | umm how do i check my litecoin balance? | 10:25 |
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| Dantespeaks | ill figure it out sorry thanks. | 10:28 |
| juri_ | does anyone here have experience in microwave assisted deposition, or microwave assisted metals fusion? | 10:28 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk_: do you have some things for making torrents to suggest? | 10:43 |
| fredox | juri_: no but i've done a bit with vacuum chambers if that is of use | 11:05 |
| juri_ | fredox: what've you done with them? | 11:07 |
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| fredox | construction-wise i mean. i haven't done any deposition stuff. | 11:21 |
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| juri_ | ah, neat. :D | 11:34 |
| fredox | i want to work on some laser sintering stuff next year (money permitting) | 11:39 |
| chris_99 | nice fredox, what kind of wattage laser do you need for that? | 11:39 |
| Dantespeaks | does the amount of litecoins you have affect the amount of blockchains/something more you need to download? | 11:42 |
| Dantespeaks | ooops wrong channel | 11:42 |
| Dantespeaks | i wish i had lots of litecoins | 11:43 |
| Dantespeaks | or any coins :P | 11:43 |
| juri_ | hah. ;) | 11:51 |
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| fredox | chris_99: i think i can get away with a 20W fibre, but i'd like to get up to 200W | 12:06 |
| chris_99 | nice, would you use a CO2 laser for that | 12:06 |
| fredox | nah the new green optic fibre lasers | 12:08 |
| chris_99 | green? | 12:08 |
| fredox | 532nm iirc | 12:08 |
| chris_99 | why green? | 12:09 |
| chris_99 | don't you want IR for this? | 12:09 |
| fredox | still absorbs well plus wavelength is 20x smaller | 12:10 |
| chris_99 | aha | 12:10 |
| fredox | better resolution, less power required | 12:10 |
| chris_99 | how much does that set you back | 12:11 |
| fredox | dunno, i emailed a company about it but they never got back to me | 12:11 |
| fredox | they have price per metre of fibre, but not how much power it outputs | 12:12 |
| chris_99 | so you'd put the fibre on an XY bed you mean? | 12:13 |
| fredox | yeah, or mirrors | 12:13 |
| chris_99 | mm | 12:14 |
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| jrayhawk_ | mktorrent is pretty simple, but uses a dumb block size IIRC | 12:44 |
| jrayhawk_ | oh, it has an -l option now to fix that | 12:46 |
| jrayhawk_ | kanzure: -^ | 12:46 |
| kanzure | alright | 12:47 |
| kanzure | thanks | 12:47 |
| kanzure | turns out that youtube does not like you uploading 20 GB at a time | 12:47 |
| jrayhawk_ | keep in mind any tracker you upload it to will replace your announce URL with their own | 12:47 |
| jrayhawk_ | pansies | 12:48 |
| kanzure | it is for something that is meant to be privately tracked | 12:48 |
| jrayhawk_ | ah | 12:48 |
| jrayhawk_ | i have zero experience running a tracker | 12:48 |
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| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: looking for money? You should have been here when kanzure was giving them out | 16:24 |
| justanotheruser | *giving litecoins out | 16:24 |
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| Dantespeaks | oh | 16:34 |
| Dantespeaks | how much did he give out? | 16:34 |
| Dantespeaks | shucks | 16:34 |
| Dantespeaks | i need 50,000... | 16:35 |
| Dantespeaks | dollars at least... | 16:35 |
| Dantespeaks | kanzure, give me 50k worth of bitcoins please :) | 16:40 |
| Dantespeaks | oh i mean litecoins please. | 16:40 |
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| Dantespeaks | i thought i was the chosen one among many | 16:43 |
| Dantespeaks | shucks | 16:43 |
| Dantespeaks | i thought i was gonna get out of this poverty in one shot. | 16:44 |
| Dantespeaks | wishful thinking! | 16:44 |
| Dantespeaks | I hope my IBM T42 laptop will trigger your donations! | 16:45 |
| Dantespeaks | amazing specs at 512mb of ram, 60gb hdd! | 16:45 |
| ua | Dantespeaks, try libgen.org if you wanna out of poverty ;p | 16:47 |
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| Dantespeaks | what is it? | 16:48 |
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| ua | lel | 16:48 |
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| Dantespeaks | ok i'll shut up please dont kick me out. | 16:48 |
| Dantespeaks | im learning a lot from this channel. ty. | 16:49 |
| Qfwfq | Snrk. | 16:59 |
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| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: He didn't give that out, the other output was presumably an address owned by him | 17:25 |
| justanotheruser | s/that/$50k | 17:26 |
| Dantespeaks | ok | 17:27 |
| Dantespeaks | i wish i had 50k. | 17:27 |
| Dantespeaks | then i would probably live in a different country anywhere but canada. | 17:28 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: what ua said, libgen.org | 17:28 |
| Dantespeaks | or maybe thats not enough :P | 17:28 |
| Dantespeaks | what about it? | 17:28 |
| Dantespeaks | it's a cool site with lots of scientific pdfs/books | 17:29 |
| justanotheruser | learn | 17:29 |
| Dantespeaks | yup education is the key | 17:29 |
| Dantespeaks | do they have all the books i want in there though :) | 17:29 |
| ua | Dantespeaks, also dont mix up education with knowing stuff | 17:29 |
| ua | :P | 17:29 |
| Dantespeaks | sure, surface level assumption and detail knowledge/education 2 different things. | 17:30 |
| Dantespeaks | i can play a game, and talk about how it was created, don't mean i know the coding to make the character move from point A to B. | 17:30 |
| Dantespeaks | alright.... | 17:30 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: if you want to make money learn to program. | 17:31 |
| Dantespeaks | rather vague thing to say. to reach what market? | 17:31 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: any | 17:32 |
| justanotheruser | except independent app developmenr | 17:32 |
| justanotheruser | *development | 17:32 |
| Dantespeaks | dont you think uploading softwares to iphone or android apps is a good way to make sustainable income? | 17:32 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: most app developers don't make money. It is incredibly saturated | 17:33 |
| Dantespeaks | ok, then learning a programming language in conjunction with what topic = money? | 17:33 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: Don't learn a language, learn to program | 17:34 |
| Dantespeaks | must have a purpose aye? | 17:34 |
| Dantespeaks | i mean if i want to program electronics in order to say, make a toy be able to move in a certain motion, patent the toy and commercialize it = money. | 17:34 |
| justanotheruser | Not sure what you mean by topic. If you can write point of sale software, you could probably learn in a few weeks how to write a messaging client even though they ware mostly unrelated | 17:35 |
| Dantespeaks | learning how to program, sure, but if i dont see the end goal, seems kinda vague thing to be on pursuit. | 17:35 |
| ua | Dantespeaks, right just like learning to read | 17:35 |
| Dantespeaks | by topic, genre, or niche, or type, where exactly would i use the programming on, to be on the purpose of what is the question before learning. | 17:36 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: You could invent something, you have to have a feasible idea though. I was speaking of working for someone else which is what most programmers do | 17:36 |
| Dantespeaks | ask not, what your brain is missing, rather ask, what your brain is searching. | 17:36 |
| Dantespeaks | i see, now thats more accurate guideline... | 17:37 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: I'm a Computer Science student. Almost all jobs for CS aren't from software companies. State Farm, Boeing, GM, etc need programmers | 17:37 |
| Dantespeaks | yes.... feasible idea on something, following programming... | 17:37 |
| Dantespeaks | oh, you mean to learn a programming language to be hired? | 17:37 |
| justanotheruser | If you want to make money | 17:38 |
| justanotheruser | also learning a programming language wont get you hired. | 17:38 |
| Dantespeaks | certificate? | 17:38 |
| justanotheruser | Learning to program will | 17:38 |
| Dantespeaks | i get it. | 17:38 |
| Dantespeaks | ok | 17:38 |
| Dantespeaks | cool advice man, thanks. | 17:38 |
| justanotheruser | A programming language is just syntax. You have to implement algorithms | 17:39 |
| justanotheruser | and create algorithms | 17:39 |
| Dantespeaks | now i just need to get out of welfare and ill be alright. | 17:39 |
| justanotheruser | try codeacademy if you're actually interested. It's a good start | 17:39 |
| Dantespeaks | llol | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | that's a total lie, have you seen their bullshit? | 17:39 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: code academy? | 17:39 |
| @kanzure | udacity too. their students can't distinguish print from return. | 17:39 |
| Dantespeaks | torrent network certainly had both libraries. codeacademy and udacity. | 17:40 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: It's a start. Learn syntax then read C from knuth and an algorithms book | 17:40 |
| Dantespeaks | i'll go with a higher level language like python. | 17:40 |
| Dantespeaks | i wouldn't get C even if i tried right now. | 17:41 |
| @kanzure | yawn, please leave with the self-defeatist crap | 17:41 |
| @kanzure | it is tiring and uninteresting | 17:41 |
| Dantespeaks | fine, i'll understand everything and devour the world with it. | 17:41 |
| Dantespeaks | there, thats my true face. | 17:41 |
| Dantespeaks | i just need a start. | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | i don't care, get lost | 17:42 |
| Qfwfq | Good luck, Dantespeaks | 17:42 |
| justanotheruser | Damn kanzure did this guy do something to upset you? | 17:42 |
| Dantespeaks | ...take a joke kanzure. i didnt say anything to neither interest or upset you. | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | i didn't say i am upset, fuck you | 17:42 |
| @kanzure | the both of you need to learn to read | 17:42 |
| justanotheruser | I didn't say you were upset, that's why I asked | 17:43 |
| @kanzure | i am not | 17:43 |
| Dantespeaks | your display of hostility suggests emotion nevertheless on something that dont need to be addressed in that manner. | 17:43 |
| Dantespeaks | so it's your irrationality buddy :P | 17:43 |
| @kanzure | if you think i'm being hostile then you really need to read what i've said again. i've only asked you to leave. | 17:44 |
| Dantespeaks | im not gonna pry on this. sorry if i triggered something in you to say that. | 17:44 |
| Dantespeaks | self-defeatist attitude however, no. more like keeping myself grounded as a beginner. | 17:45 |
| Dantespeaks | either way, im not really interested in learning any programming at the moment. but ty for your suggestion, justanotheruser. | 17:46 |
| Dantespeaks | i'll focus on chemistry. i think it's important i need to learn it. | 17:46 |
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| Dantespeaks | how much litecoin have you sent out kanzure? | 17:49 |
| Dantespeaks | itty bitty bit or lot? | 17:49 |
| Dantespeaks | send me more if you're willing. :P | 17:50 |
| jrayhawk_ | you sure know how to endear yourself to a guy who's telling you to go away | 17:50 |
| Dantespeaks | wonderful way of socializing isn't it? | 17:50 |
| justanotheruser | jrayhawk_: lol | 17:51 |
| @kanzure | this is not acceptable behavior http://pastebin.com/1w1rbY92 | 17:52 |
| justanotheruser | WOW | 17:53 |
| Dantespeaks | what does it say | 17:56 |
| Dantespeaks | i wish i can click on it | 17:56 |
| Dantespeaks | pc is too slow to open a browser | 17:56 |
| justanotheruser | Dantespeaks: It's the PMs you sent him | 17:56 |
| Dantespeaks | oh | 17:56 |
| Dantespeaks | hahaha | 17:56 |
| Dantespeaks | Send me everything! | 17:56 |
| Dantespeaks | i'll tell you a trick :P | 17:57 |
| ua | comment spamming should be punishable by death, thats for sure :> | 17:57 |
| Dantespeaks | nah, i think it's more along the lines of a grey-hat type of thing | 17:57 |
| Dantespeaks | depends on the laws of the server/country. | 17:57 |
| Dantespeaks | i would like to question how people get so much litecoins in short period of time. | 17:58 |
| Dantespeaks | litecoins specially written for CPU usage rather than GPU, then was botnet involved in stealing people's CPU time? | 17:58 |
| Dantespeaks | uploading torrents perhaps? | 17:59 |
| Dantespeaks | Kanzure, please lighten up. :P | 17:59 |
| cluckj | lol | 17:59 |
| cluckj | shut up | 17:59 |
| cluckj | thx | 17:59 |
| Dantespeaks | i wish i could be used as a scapegoat but get rich anyway :P | 18:01 |
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| eudoxia | ugh can we just go back to talking about transhumanism | 18:05 |
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| eudoxia | or making fun of people who read h+ mag | 18:05 |
| @kanzure | what is your mnt git repo thing? | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | and who is fernando what happened to alex | 18:07 |
| eudoxia | dude i revealed my ~real identity~ like years ago | 18:08 |
| eudoxia | and you call yourself an internet stalker | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | i don't actually i think that's what everyone else might be saying | 18:08 |
| eudoxia | also the MNT repo is a bunch of stuff I did with nanoengineer | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | i'll still call you alex anyway just to fuck with you | 18:08 |
| @kanzure | borretti sounds fake btw | 18:09 |
| eudoxia | it's basically just drawings though because i didn't have the computing power to simulate it | 18:09 |
| eudoxia | and most would explode except at a carefully chosen temperature range | 18:09 |
| eudoxia | (or rigged GROMACS settings) | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | does nanohive do explosions/vibrations correctly | 18:09 |
| @kanzure | do they happen? | 18:10 |
| eudoxia | what did nanohive use at the business end anyways? NanoDynamics-1 or something else? | 18:10 |
| @kanzure | there was a gromacs option but that might have been after nanorex acquired nanohive | 18:10 |
| eudoxia | i know nanodynamics does explosions because sometimes things would just explode on me | 18:12 |
| eudoxia | like, small diamond cubes and such, some random hydrogens would just pop off | 18:12 |
| Dantespeaks | ...you win kanzure... | 18:15 |
| Dantespeaks | i just read the pastebin :P yeah it's inappropriate. but im just speculating how you got hold of so much coins. | 18:15 |
| eudoxia | are you with the IRS | 18:16 |
| Dantespeaks | I wish. | 18:16 |
| Dantespeaks | how did you do it man? share with us some secrets. enlighten us. | 18:17 |
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| @kanzure | http://lifeboat.com/blog/2013/04/bitcoins-dystopian-future | 19:17 |
| cluckj | convert to dollars; buy a boat | 19:18 |
| @kanzure | boats still don't have very good internet access | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | i'm not aware of even expensive options for maritime isps | 19:20 |
| cluckj | satellite? | 19:21 |
| @kanzure | i have never experienced good satellite internet connections :( | 19:21 |
| @kanzure | truly i am missing out on life | 19:21 |
| cluckj | me neither | 19:22 |
| cluckj | :< | 19:22 |
| justanotheruser | By the time Bitcoin is a concern of the government, there will be enough bitcoin billionaires to lobby and bribe for it | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | i think you can actually calculate that and show me evidence | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | e.g. count the number of accounts that have a certain threshold amount and then make up some number for future exchange rate | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | and then show me that there is enough bribing money available | 19:26 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: Not all bitcoiners have all their money in one account | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | my guess is that there would be, but i wouldn't make bets, and i don't care strongly enough at the moment to do your work for you | 19:26 |
| @kanzure | yes that's true, but there's a substantial portion that are associated with single addresses | 19:27 |
| justanotheruser | True. It is also based on assumptions like what the exchange rate will be when the US govt starts to care | 19:27 |
| justanotheruser | I wonder if major fiat holders will try to 51% attack it to protect themselves | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | http://www.thebitcointrader.com/2013/04/torbroker-silk-road-of-stock-brokers.html https://torbrokerge7zxgq.onion.to/ | 19:45 |
| fredox | wow that lifeboat page had the largest collection of mornic statements i've heard in years | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | the comments or the whole thing? | 19:52 |
| fredox | the whole thing | 19:53 |
| fredox | digital koolaid | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | for example, you disagree about the feasibility of psuedonymous criminal activity? cryptolocker would be an excellent example showing you're wrong. | 19:55 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: current price for human genome sequencing? | 19:57 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: iirc it's about <$10k right now but i don't know the details. assume 35x coverage or something. | 19:57 |
| yashgaroth | yeah I stopped keeping track, 10 sounds about right, maybe china can give you #1 top sequencing for less | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | oh, friend is saying science exchange is claiming $3k | 19:58 |
| fredox | its like einstein said | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | seems a little unlikely. i'd believe $4-5k maybe. | 19:58 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, there's MicroISV, which discusses marine ISPs in passing. | 19:59 |
| yashgaroth | depends on coverage, repetitive sequences, etc | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | https://www.scienceexchange.com/services/whole-genome-sequencing | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | hah look at how many "no projects yet" | 19:59 |
| JayDugger | That's Steve K. Roberts current project. Many years ago he wrote "Computing Across America," and he probably has a Wikipedia page. | 19:59 |
| ua | what about this one http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/151086-minion-a-complete-dna-sequencer-on-a-usb-stick | 20:00 |
| yashgaroth | also idk if those places will sell to regular people, rather than medical/research uses | 20:01 |
| @kanzure | oh, you think that science exchange vendors will try to ID you? | 20:01 |
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| @kanzure | damn, i didn't consider that | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | that makes me grumpy | 20:02 |
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| yashgaroth | I'm sure for an extra few grand they will overlook a lack of credentials | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | a "donation" | 20:02 |
| yashgaroth | still no one's doing a 23andme style direct-to-consumer for near 3k, not that anyone's gonna risk being like 23andme for a while | 20:04 |
| @kanzure | knome? | 20:04 |
| yashgaroth | "Knome specializes in the interpretation of human whole genomes" | 20:05 |
| yashgaroth | did they get out of the sequencing part of that, or is it hidden away somewhere | 20:06 |
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| @kanzure | hmm, good question | 20:07 |
| yashgaroth | it seems they're just waiting for genome sequencing to become cheap, and then they can unleash all their technology and stuff | 20:07 |
| yashgaroth | though if anyone knows where to buy cheap genome sequencing, it'd be them presumably | 20:08 |
| yashgaroth | I do worry genome sequencing tech has slowed down lately, after illumina and life tech had their war | 20:10 |
| @kanzure | let's make a bunch of giant biotech companies, sue each of them out of existence, and then claim we're an advanced civilization | 20:11 |
| @kanzure | oh also acquisitions | 20:11 |
| yashgaroth | I should just patent DNA and then sue them all... "a method for heritable storage of information" | 20:12 |
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| soylentbomb | yashgaroth: Antonin Scalia might get in your way there | 20:23 |
| yashgaroth | nah | 20:23 |
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| justanotheruser | For TorBroker how does a stock pay dividends? Does someone act as a proxy? | 21:14 |
| @kanzure | i believe they are executing trades against a trading api like interactive brokers | 21:15 |
| justanotheruser | So the site owner is executing trade un-anonymously? | 21:16 |
| @kanzure | i think so | 21:16 |
| @kanzure | it would probably be possible to dox them if you owned the api that they are using | 21:16 |
| @kanzure | e.g. enter an order for 1337 shares of a certain obscure company and then see which api user makes an order for 1337 shares | 21:17 |
| justanotheruser | yeah, thats what I was thinking | 21:17 |
| justanotheruser | He is either really dumb, or is doing something else | 21:17 |
| ParahSailin | we call that a bucket shop | 21:17 |
| @kanzure | a bucket who? | 21:17 |
| justanotheruser | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159237.0 says he owns 100% of the security. He is going to get caught unless I'm missing something | 21:21 |
| justanotheruser | Or its a scam | 21:22 |
| @kanzure | hah no $10k minimum | 21:23 |
| @kanzure | that's really cool. | 21:23 |
| ParahSailin | says public identities so i guess they self-dox'd | 21:24 |
| justanotheruser | Are there countries where this is legal maybe? | 21:24 |
| @kanzure | where anyone from any country can arbitrarily dump money into the stock market? no i think not | 21:25 |
| ParahSailin | oh, i guess their idea of "public identity" is orthogonal to "actual name" | 21:25 |
| @kanzure | "All activity in the regulated markets is registered and potentially subject to examination by suspecting regulatory parties. In order to prevent third parties from linking the trading activity at TorBroker to activity in the real markets, TorBroker will randomly split all orders up and execute these through different legal entities on different brokers. Significant activity also allows us to subtract opposite customer positions from each ... | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | ... other, obfuscating even further the origin of our activity in the regulated markets." | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | "so their brilliant anonymity scheme is based on the brilliant algorithms of addition and subtraction" | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | they should rename themselves to SEC confession hole | 21:33 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure, pm | 21:33 |
| @kanzure | alright | 21:37 |
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| @kanzure | damn that's a good idea, it should be called lsurl | 22:14 |
| @kanzure | beats the heck out of my extract-links-from.py that has been floating around in my $PATH | 22:14 |
| justanotheruser | If the SEC want to track down TorBroker it would be pretty simple. Buy a large amount on the website one day, track those who buy, sell the next day, track those who sell. Repeat 200 times and you will have a set of three people, where at least one out of the three match your buy and sell orders. | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | wont work if there are other users buying/selling the same | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | also what if they randomly fuzz the numbers (and take the losses as hits to their profit) | 22:26 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: after 200 transactions I doubt there will be people who buy and sell in line with you. | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | well, there's a 1% trading fee both ways, so 200 seems hard to do unless you are picking stocks that are increasing or something | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | oh wait, nevermind, just start off with a sufficiently large amount of capital | 22:27 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: If you count the number of times someone buys security security X the same day you do on the website and sells the same day you do, I would imaging a pattern would emerge. | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | they might be executing against a private exchange or private broker | 22:29 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: Does the SEC not have access to their trade data? | 22:30 |
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