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| kanzure | ugh igem is sending out donation request spam | 00:07 |
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| juri_ | this is just proof that communism works. | 00:31 |
| juri_ | </annoy_kanqure_non-sequitor> | 00:32 |
| justanotheruser | juri_: you didn't even open that | 00:33 |
| juri_ | justanotheruser: yea. that'll annoy him *further*. | 00:33 |
| * juri_ waits for kanzure to explode. | 00:33 | |
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| kanzure | my anger is deflationary so you should assume it's greater backwards in time i think | 00:42 |
| kanzure | so whatever bullshit you're about to do in the future, i've considered it. | 00:42 |
| kanzure | igem spamming for donations is not proof that communism works, it's proof that they are annoying | 00:43 |
| juri_ | kanzure: i was trolling you. i have no idea how igem or communism would be related. ;) | 00:47 |
| juri_ | honestly, i don't know who igem are. | 00:48 |
| kanzure | synthetic biology propaganda group out of mit | 00:49 |
| kanzure | they hold genetic engineering competitions but forced non-institutionally-affiliated individuals to not participate (until recently; but there are a bunch of caveats) | 00:50 |
| kanzure | randy rettberg had (or continues to have) a very negative opinion of individuals who choose to work on non-academic not-necessarily-commercial biology projects | 00:53 |
| ua | creating a non-academic not-necessarily-commercial equivalent of igem makes sense if one doesnt exist already | 00:55 |
| ua | and fuck igem if theyre a propaganda machine | 00:55 |
| justanotheruser | Yes, let's echo kanzure | 00:58 |
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| juri_ | kanzure: at least they're open about it. on the second grand challenge they 'de-funded' the prise, only funding it again after the entry deadline. this means any business associated teams (like mine) had the "we can win $XXXX" cut out from under them. my partners wouldn't let me complete the submission whilehaving an un-funded prise (reasonably). then they re-funded it after the deadline had passed, and picked a winner from those with money to blow, inste | 01:18 |
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| kanzure | ua_: i'm not sure i actually want to participate though, so why would i | 01:22 |
| kanzure | i mean why would i do the thing you said | 01:22 |
| ua_ | kanzure, yeah youre right, its better to focus on diybio ecosystem | 01:32 |
| ua_ | for example, is there git for bio projects | 01:32 |
| ua_ | git/github | 01:35 |
| ua_ | ok i think im gonna read on what actually does exist for diybio first | 01:35 |
| kanzure | what do yo umean "git for bio".. just commit your source code using git. done.. | 01:39 |
| kanzure | *you mean | 01:39 |
| ua_ | as bio projects i meant biobricks designs for example | 01:40 |
| ua_ | also is there a (python/ruby/whatever) DSL for biobrick designs or is it just some binary format | 01:41 |
| ua_ | ok man i really think im gonna do some reading first because all im doing is just creating some analogies from stuff i know already | 01:42 |
| ua_ | without knowing anything about diy bio ecosystem | 01:42 |
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| AngriestBird | paperbot http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/2231932/reload=0;jsessionid=v92oMiFnrSOgFQfW41Zl.4 | 02:22 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/93ac60eef821b60b92f9cc09682b7084.txt | 02:22 |
| AngriestBird | paperbot http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-4096.2001.02436.x/abstract;jsessionid=BD7F056C6856E8C503969074FDD3FA05.f01t03?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false | 02:23 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/21fd84b66660bf99defe99dbb7b2de77.txt | 02:23 |
| AngriestBird | paperbot http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v23/n1/full/nbt1050.html%3Fref%3Dherseybedava.info?message=remove&ref=herseybedava.info | 02:23 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnbt1050 | 02:23 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6165/1442.1 | 08:31 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.342.6165.1442-a | 08:31 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, have you every tried to source photolithography for prototyping? | 09:03 |
| delinquentme | any advice? I'm looking at these MEMS devices on marblar.com ... and some would be cool to get prototyped | 09:03 |
| kanzure | wtf grandma: "Bryan, do you know Marcin Jakubowski? He seems like a fellow you should really ought to know." | 09:08 |
| kanzure | i feel like she's going to spontaneously join this channel one day and then tell me i need to know this kanzure fellow | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | grandma knows you're biohacking? | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | thats cool | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6165/1436.1 | 09:08 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.342.6165.1436-a | 09:08 |
| chris_99 | haha, kanzure | 09:10 |
| chris_99 | not sure if this is of interest to you peeps but i found a single chip that can convert the signal from a pH meter --> SPI (LMP91200) | 09:12 |
| ParahSailin | a single ion torrent chip will do that too | 09:18 |
| kanzure | superbiotechsalespitches, go! | 09:18 |
| ParahSailin | course you get a bunch of extra stuff on that chip if you only needed ph meter | 09:18 |
| chris_99 | let me checkout that | 09:19 |
| ParahSailin | no dont lol | 09:19 |
| chris_99 | looks cool though :) | 09:19 |
| ParahSailin | yeah but error rate is seriously shit | 09:20 |
| chris_99 | what happened to that £1k sequencer, by nanopore i think it was | 09:21 |
| ParahSailin | it would almost be a passable hwrng but im pretty sure its low entropy | 09:21 |
| ParahSailin | it will just turn ATAT to ATATAT and AA to AAAA, etc | 09:21 |
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| ParahSailin | oxford nanopore seems like theyre on schedule | 09:22 |
| chris_99 | i forget but could you sequence the human genome with that, albeit very slowly | 09:23 |
| ParahSailin | you can sequence the human genome on a hiseq | 09:24 |
| chris_99 | they look expensive though? | 09:27 |
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| Qfwfq | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1968621 | 10:10 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8c9414de43e9f6ad5ae2230228972e78.pdf | 10:10 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.200502189/abstract | 10:21 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a4f917d2814d6034545953773e4c008c.txt | 10:21 |
| uberj | paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=321529&dl=ACM&coll=DL&CFID=273445375&CFTOKEN=39361994 | 10:21 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1145%2F321526.321529 | 10:22 |
| ParahSailin | chris_99: hiseq is the cheapest /Mb | 10:22 |
| chris_99 | wouldn't the oxford one be a lot cheaper? | 10:22 |
| ParahSailin | hiseq is extremely high throughput | 10:23 |
| chris_99 | aha | 10:24 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6462685 | 10:52 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6462685 | 11:15 |
| kanzure | "you're listening to dj infinity extreme" sometimes i think these mix artists are using made up names | 11:15 |
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| nmz787_ | chris_99: different cost structure | 11:18 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, if you search the web for "dj name generators" you'll find answers to your question | 11:19 |
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| kanzure | ThomasEgi: perfect, thank you | 11:24 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/322/5899/231.abstract | 12:16 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1163861 | 12:16 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/322/5899/231.full.pdf | 12:30 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8a19ad680d4cd4157a73e08a4a08d90a.pdf | 12:30 |
| delinquentme | whaaa. that was unexpeced paperbot | 12:30 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://cyberside.net.ee/docs/Cryptanalysis%20of%20the%20Random%20Number%20Generator%20of%20the%20Windows%20Operating%20System.pdf | 14:28 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e9aa818dd46350faeb5569946e507e5b.pdf | 14:28 |
| kanzure | saurik: that might be relevant to your interests | 14:32 |
| saurik | kanzure: thanks | 14:36 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: when did sci-hub die? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | no idea | 15:43 |
| kanzure | just saw the text on the site today | 15:43 |
| kanzure | i haven't checked in a few weeks | 15:43 |
| kanzure | why are you also just now noticing it? | 15:43 |
| ParahSailin | i wanted to grab some pages to test/develop scraper | 15:44 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: http://i.imgur.com/Ee6CJDL.png | 15:45 |
| ParahSailin | lol | 15:46 |
| ParahSailin | i embedded css selectors as a dsl in haskell | 15:49 |
| ParahSailin | in case anyone else needs that sort of thing https://github.com/rcallahan/selectors | 15:49 |
| kanzure | can i bribe you into spending 20 seconds on code reviewing https://github.com/jblake/gbasm | 15:57 |
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| ParahSailin | looking | 16:04 |
| ParahSailin | looks like he should have used alex instead of writing lexer manually | 16:06 |
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| kanzure | is alex a hackage package | 16:07 |
| kanzure | erm.. i mean.. the version of that question that makes sense. | 16:07 |
| ParahSailin | alex is on hackage, yeah | 16:07 |
| gradstudentbot | Hey, let's write a paper about that. | 16:07 |
| ParahSailin | i wish this guy had put his thing on hackage, because its easier to read the automatic haddock that way | 16:07 |
| ParahSailin | have you tried whether this assembler works? | 16:09 |
| kanzure | it's missing some features like local labels or something | 16:09 |
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| ParahSailin | and thats why he should have done the parser for the language in happy | 16:11 |
| ParahSailin | you have an ebnf for the grammar? | 16:12 |
| ParahSailin | this is what the parser for ghc's cmm assembler looks like https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/cmm/CmmParse.y | 16:15 |
| kanzure | there's only some bullshit yacc-generated file that is vaguely related to the grammar | 16:18 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/bentley/rgbds/blob/master/src/asm/yaccprt1.y | 16:19 |
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| ParahSailin | thats the input for yacc or output? | 16:42 |
| kanzure | sorry dunno | 16:44 |
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| ParahSailin | yeah thats gonna be the input | 16:46 |
| ParahSailin | though there is a lot of handwritten c in that one | 16:46 |
| ParahSailin | labels is the only thing that this hs assembler is missing? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | geohot did an evasi0n writeup http://geohot.com/e7writeup.html | 16:50 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: no there are other things. i don't have a list. basically https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal is what i would run it against. | 16:51 |
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| pasky | I'm in a depressed stage of my phd, looking in vain for actual real-world practical applications of (big chunk of) my research; anyone has an idea about interesting applications of portfolio (zero-setup) blackbox optimization? (or other algorithm portfolio methods, not necessarily optimization) | 16:54 |
| ParahSailin | at least you are not wetlab | 16:54 |
| kanzure | pasky: maybe tone it down a bit and make something like eureqa except less terrible from a software standpoint | 16:55 |
| kanzure | pasky: what type of portfolio are you talking about? | 16:58 |
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| pasky | kanzure: hmm that seems a little distant from what I'm doing, but it looks rather fun... but again it's just a tool, not a practical application, and my current problem is that while to a lot of things I can say "oh yeah that seems quite neat and useful", I'm able to pinpoint very little of practical "useful" and I'm better at solving things where I can think of actual practical applications | 17:00 |
| pasky | kanzure: a portfolio of algorithms; I'm looking at meta-algorithms that will eventually pick and prefer the algorithm that's best for the particular instance of the problem that you throw at it | 17:01 |
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| ThomasEgi | paperbot, http://www.scientific.net/KEM.493-494.508 | 17:13 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f3a2fde770f593a2931b4880adfad6e1.txt | 17:14 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: do you want a handy pdf with a watermark? | 19:20 |
| ParahSailin | er, do you have one | 19:20 |
| kanzure | pdfparanoia.git has some | 19:20 |
| kanzure | in tests/ | 19:20 |
| kanzure | git clone git@github.com:kanzure/pdfparanoia.git | 19:20 |
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| ParahSailin | im thinking i will make a pdfdiff that will delete any objects that differ between fetches from different locations | 19:28 |
| kanzure | sounds good | 19:35 |
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| Qfwfq | [Warning] Editing PDFs may induce (1) screaming | 19:56 |
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| tomkinsc | paperbot http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1570096 | 23:03 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d03295c4e5f2509c1e4cb0d545fbc44.txt | 23:04 |
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| kanzure | tomkinsc should stay around | 23:17 |
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