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| Dantespeaks | paperbot, http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/hologram.html | 00:24 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8be8fda79400cb30db502c2c9a14f150.txt | 00:24 |
| Dantespeaks | ...paperbitch... | 00:24 |
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| jrayhawk | gradstudentbot could be loaded with choice bits of http://lolmythesis.com/ | 02:39 |
| gradstudentbot | So, people always joke about that, but I feel like weaving baskets underwater would not be the easiest thing in the world. | 02:39 |
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| kanzure | not bad "Built software development tools for an alternate reality that forked off in 1980." | 07:44 |
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| kanzure | does anyone have a wayback api wrapper that is better than https://pypi.python.org/pypi/wayback | 14:25 |
| kanzure | because this doesn't even handle file/snapshot enumeration | 14:25 |
| kanzure | or wildcards | 14:25 |
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| FourFire | Hello | 15:18 |
| FourFire | Dantespeaks, are you here | 15:18 |
| Dantespeaks | I am | 15:20 |
| Dantespeaks | What up | 15:20 |
| FourFire | Ok, hi | 15:20 |
| Dantespeaks | hullo... | 15:21 |
| Dantespeaks | why do you summon me on the channel. | 15:21 |
| FourFire | I would just like to say that I was really sleep deprived last time we spoke and | 15:21 |
| FourFire | I probably didn't explain things very well | 15:21 |
| FourFire | infact I probably said things which seemed to mean completely wrong things | 15:21 |
| Dantespeaks | oh. I thought you left in frustration of realizing my ignorance. | 15:21 |
| FourFire | I'd just like to fix up any misconceptions I might have accidently fostered | 15:22 |
| Dantespeaks | It is quite alright, i'm a good sport. | 15:22 |
| FourFire | Ok, so the human brain right? | 15:22 |
| FourFire | it's got a blue print | 15:22 |
| Dantespeaks | If you would like to redeem yourself, it is to yours, not to convince me. | 15:22 |
| Dantespeaks | Surely. | 15:22 |
| FourFire | in fact your whole human body has a blue print | 15:22 |
| FourFire | and it's inside every cell of your body | 15:23 |
| FourFire | this is the DNA | 15:23 |
| FourFire | now, have you ever seen a glass with different layers of water and oil and things in it? | 15:23 |
| FourFire | or perhaps a sealed vessel | 15:23 |
| Dantespeaks | Yes I realize this, what I meant last time was, that, could there be terms/equations in physics (not in DNA) that could restore at least some portions of a person's memory from just a single cell? Even though the brain is separate from the entire coding of the body. I'm talking in strictly something like thermodynamics/mathematical physical terms, that, could A.I be able to calculate- such a pattern | 15:25 |
| FourFire | now the DNA says what the shape of the glass is, how thick the sides are, the opacity of the bottom and sides, how tall and wide it is, and the density of the material it consists of and so on | 15:25 |
| Dantespeaks | is there is anything to trace down to. | 15:25 |
| FourFire | but Memories, are like patterns of the liquid contained within the glass | 15:25 |
| FourFire | so that's exactly what I meant when I said that "brain structures don't exist in DNA" | 15:25 |
| Dantespeaks | right, i understand you. | 15:26 |
| FourFire | the closest thing to that are instincts, and epigenetics | 15:26 |
| FourFire | instincts are things all people share | 15:26 |
| Dantespeaks | yup... | 15:26 |
| FourFire | like young babies can all swim | 15:26 |
| FourFire | but later they forget how to and have to learn it for real | 15:26 |
| FourFire | anyway, remembering that you've swum before is a distinct memory | 15:27 |
| FourFire | and memories are stored insdie our brains through networks of connections, and variable strength of connections and I don't know much more about it | 15:27 |
| phillyj | FourFire: by brain structures not being in DNA, you are referring to processes and not physical structures? | 15:27 |
| FourFire | which is why I said "patterns" before | 15:27 |
| FourFire | phillyj, nope, I'm referring to the way I currently understand how (long term) memories are stored | 15:28 |
| FourFire | it's like the brain is always being reprogrammed, by physically changing it's shape every time we get a new memory, or even recall old memories | 15:29 |
| FourFire | it's pathways for the signal stuff to travel through | 15:29 |
| FourFire | (old memories become altered as they are accessed, which is part of the reason eyewitnesses are unreliable, and you need lots of people agreeing on the same event in order to be sure it actually happened | 15:30 |
| phillyj | well, DNA determines the physical development of the brain and maybe you can extrapolate that to say that DNA can affect the neural processes, including the environmental interactions | 15:31 |
| FourFire | of course everything is based of the blueprint given by the DNA | 15:33 |
| FourFire | a glass of a given height can only contain so much liquid | 15:33 |
| FourFire | and if the walls are too thin it might break before it is filled completely | 15:33 |
| FourFire | but every life experience is different, and the memories and patterns of programming are all slightly (or majorly) different | 15:34 |
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| FourFire | depending on the inputs, the senses, expereinces, dreams, memories | 15:34 |
| FourFire | it's nature and nurture occurring simultaneously to create a person, and it's an ongoing process every time we learn new things, we become, verly slightly a different person | 15:35 |
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| FourFire | is there bot service in this channel? | 15:40 |
| FourFire | later/message/note something? | 15:40 |
| kanzure | no | 15:41 |
| FourFire | well, kanzure I hope that cleared things up | 15:43 |
| kanzure | i want my money back | 15:57 |
| phillyj | what was the original topic FourFire | 15:57 |
| phillyj | ? | 15:57 |
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| Dantespeaks | how do i make some money any way... | 16:09 |
| Dantespeaks | without getting a labour job. | 16:09 |
| Dantespeaks | life just won't let me study in peace quietly. always running for cash... | 16:09 |
| heath | software development | 16:09 |
| Dantespeaks | trying to learn some programming here, and there's no time for it hardly. | 16:10 |
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| FourFire | Dantespeaks, I'm afraid I don't know | 16:14 |
| FourFire | I have two labour jobs | 16:14 |
| Dantespeaks | that sucks. i shudder to think going outside in this freezing snow storm in ontario. | 16:17 |
| Dantespeaks | well, guess i'll be stuck without money for a while... | 16:18 |
| Dantespeaks | I gotta patent my gun design somehow... | 16:18 |
| chris_99 | gun design? | 16:19 |
| Dantespeaks | yes... | 16:20 |
| Dantespeaks | have no idea how to penetrate that market though. | 16:20 |
| Dantespeaks | the creator of AK-47 recently died... | 16:20 |
| juri_ | now thats someone who knew how to penetrate a market. | 16:20 |
| Dantespeaks | he's made hundreds of millions before death. | 16:20 |
| juri_ | patent? DIAF. | 16:21 |
| chris_99 | indeed he did, i didn't think he made much from it | 16:21 |
| Dantespeaks | not worried about design or manufacture, but rather the process of commercialization. | 16:21 |
| Dantespeaks | hardly much info on the net. i should research on it. | 16:21 |
| Dantespeaks | I think people still would prefer AK-47 over some of the newer weapons... | 16:22 |
| phillyj | Dantespeaks: go sell ideas | 16:22 |
| Dantespeaks | phillyj: usually a prototype must be made in order to sell (or gather) funding. | 16:22 |
| Dantespeaks | and even after, a patent, or licensing. | 16:23 |
| Dantespeaks | protecting one's assets. | 16:23 |
| Dantespeaks | if i wasn't so lazy i'd be a multi-millionaire by now :{ | 16:23 |
| Dantespeaks | haha nah. | 16:24 |
| Dantespeaks | I'm assuming a lot of people here live off by loans/funding... | 16:24 |
| Dantespeaks | anyways, back to my stuff.... | 16:25 |
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| drewbug | paperbot, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=4277708 | 16:34 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FTASC.2007.898258 | 16:34 |
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| drewbug | paperbot, http://www.researchgate.net/publication/224717353_Tuned_SQUID-MRI_System_With_Resonant_Frequency_Adjustment | 16:35 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/32b5fb896bccfd31da071140a6499eae.txt | 16:35 |
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| drewbug | paperbot, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=4277708 | 16:37 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FTASC.2007.898258 | 16:37 |
| drewbug | Darn. | 16:37 |
| drewbug | Anyone have magical access to these sorts of things? | 16:37 |
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| drewbug1 | Internet failure. | 16:41 |
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| drewbug1 | How feasible is building an MRI "at home"? | 16:51 |
| juri_ | isn't the neodynium prohibitively expensive? | 16:51 |
| juri_ | or do they build the thing entirely out of electromagnets? | 16:52 |
| chris_99 | i believe they're helium cooled, and use large Teslas, | 16:52 |
| chris_99 | so pretty hard | 16:52 |
| drewbug1 | https://web.archive.org/web/20070702052147/http://www.abdn.ac.uk/ims/imaging/research/novel/ultralow.php | 16:53 |
| drewbug1 | That looks like it might help. | 16:53 |
| drewbug1 | I'm still not sure yet, though. | 16:53 |
| gradstudentbot | The autoclave smells really good. | 16:53 |
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| drewbug1 | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23333456 | 18:22 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.jmr.2012.11.030 | 18:22 |
| drewbug1 | Thanks, bro. | 18:22 |
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