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| kanzure | hrmm any thoughts on whether this contribution is worthwhile? https://github.com/kanzure/python-brlcad/pull/12/files#diff-2 | 08:58 |
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| kanzure | i'm a little opposed to a .cfg file, it should probably just be .yaml | 08:58 |
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| eudoxia | gradstudentbot, say something funny | 09:25 |
| gradstudentbot | Dropped my sample. | 09:25 |
| eudoxia | just rub it a little and put it back in the microscope noone will notice | 09:26 |
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| kanzure | there should be a hardware site called hard fork | 11:08 |
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| kyknos_ | paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2013/sc/c3sc52928b/unauth#!divAbstract | 12:59 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Photoscopy%3A%20Spectroscopic%20Information%20from%20Camera%20Snapshots%3F.pdf | 13:05 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/C3SC52928B | 13:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | adobe won't open that | 13:13 |
| kanzure | it's technically not a valid pdf | 13:14 |
| kanzure | but also you shouldn't be using any adobe software because of how awful their track record is with security | 13:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | yet it starts with %PDF-1.4 | 13:15 |
| kanzure | pdfparanoia manipulates every incoming pdf file in a way that makes it a technically invalid pdf file | 13:15 |
| ParahSailin | it doesnt have xref table | 13:15 |
| kanzure | it should have an xref table but pdfparanoia makes the xref table probably wrong | 13:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-/ | 13:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-/ | 13:16 |
| ParahSailin | it doesnt even endstream and endobj that last stream object | 13:16 |
| kanzure | hrm that seems worthy of debugging | 13:16 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: dont worry about it | 13:16 |
| kanzure | huh? | 13:17 |
| kanzure | oh do you have your super secret haskell pdf parser-generator yet | 13:17 |
| ParahSailin | almost done | 13:17 |
| kanzure | i was being facetious, i dunno if you're actually writing one | 13:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | what do you suggest i open the mangled pdf with? | 13:17 |
| ParahSailin | its unopenable | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | katsmeow-afk: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Photoscopy_Spectroscopic_Information_from_Camera_Snapshots_.pdf | 13:18 |
| kanzure | there are, apparently, other problems with that pdf | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | it's because pdfparanoia is broken | 13:18 |
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| katsmeow-afk | then i am so glad we had this discussion | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | and i never pushed my changes because i thought kanzure might want me to keep my GUI stuff separate | 13:18 |
| ParahSailin | actually lemme see if adding the endstream fixes it | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | the pdf i sent works | 13:18 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Photoscopy%3A%20Spectroscopic%20Information%20from%20Camera%20Snapshots%3F.pdf | 13:19 |
| nmz787 | the manipulate command is broken | 13:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | nmz is correct, and his file is 700k bigger | 13:19 |
| ParahSailin | nope, the endstream and enobj dont fix it | 13:19 |
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| nmz787 | it might be due to this function being broken https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/blob/master/pdfparanoia/eraser.py#L10 | 13:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | nmz787 , the page caught my eye because i have collected a few Canon A530 for other photo reasons | 13:21 |
| nmz787 | it always skips the first object | 13:21 |
| ParahSailin | fatal error seems to be a /undefined in /BXlevel | 13:21 |
| nmz787 | i wrote a fixed version, lemme upload it | 13:21 |
| gradstudentbot | No, you definitely have a right to your own opinion. I just.. wish you wouldn't voice it. | 13:22 |
| * katsmeow-afk unplugs gradstudentbot | 13:23 | |
| gradstudentbot | Grant submitted. | 13:23 |
| kanzure | nmz787: why is manipulate_pdf broken? | 13:27 |
| kanzure | nmz787: why are you passive aggressively withholding code? | 13:27 |
| kanzure | you're worried that i might say it could be better? big fucking deal... i often write terrible things that need to get fixed. | 13:27 |
| uberj | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X0900134X | 13:28 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/368b4b2b263eda204151cd1aebf2a490.txt | 13:28 |
| nmz787 | no | 13:28 |
| uberj | paperbot: you never work | 13:28 |
| nmz787 | i'm just busy and hate github | 13:28 |
| kanzure | uberj: feel free to fix the bug | 13:28 |
| nmz787 | like now it's such a PITA to add code | 13:28 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X0900134X/pdfft?md5=e4909f0ac890901cf45ef009c299a33c&pid=1-s2.0-S0006291X0900134X-main.pdf | 13:28 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6db31cc127ec1d0d85eabf725ac19e5a.pdf | 13:28 |
| kanzure | uberj: there you go | 13:29 |
| kanzure | man you guys all suck | 13:29 |
| uberj | kanzure: ah, so I guess I'm not linking the right url | 13:29 |
| kanzure | fix shit on your own i'm not going to always be around to fix bugs 4 seconds after you report it | 13:29 |
| uberj | kanzure: where on the page did you find that url? | 13:30 |
| uberj | in this case, paperbot isn't broken, its users are. | 13:31 |
| kanzure | no, this is a paperbot bug | 13:31 |
| kanzure | it's clearly in the html that paperbot returned to you | 13:31 |
| uberj | gotcha | 13:32 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: here is the working code https://github.com/nmz787/pdf-watermark-removal/blob/master/pdf-watermark-removal.py#L213 | 13:33 |
| kanzure | you.. created a new repo? | 13:33 |
| nmz787 | sure | 13:34 |
| kanzure | argh this is a fucking flask server | 13:34 |
| nmz787 | yep | 13:34 |
| kanzure | separation of concerns *beats you with a stick* | 13:34 |
| nmz787 | well i forked from pdfparanoia then stopped using that pdfparser because you weren't actually using it to write | 13:34 |
| nmz787 | and the removal code you had was broken, and by writing the enumerate myself I elucidated how to properly write remove_object | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | i did not however write any unit tests as I know you mentioned there arent any | 13:35 |
| kanzure | i haven't mentioned anything about the lack of tests of pdf-watermark-removal.git ever | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | as I stopped working on the javascript stuff because i needed to figure out the randomization of removing objects algorithm | 13:36 |
| kanzure | i just learned about this repo 5 seconds ago | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | you're forgetting i said i forked it from your code | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | and you said you didn't have unit tests for the remove code | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | in your code | 13:36 |
| kanzure | i think that adding an entire web server is a huge mistake and that it limits the availability of this in other contexts. eg. it means that if paperbot uses it, it suddenly has to run wsgi stuff.. | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | since this is basically the same with the addition of the image generation and flask stuf | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | well it can be broken apart | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | just easier to test with one file | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | anyway, it's generating images nicely from PDF pages, so presenting them to the user with "is the watermark gone yes/no" is all that's left | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | that binary search or whatever you mentioned | 13:39 |
| gradstudentbot | Friends don't let friends go to super school. | 13:39 |
| ParahSailin | http server for watermark removal? | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | for learning a new publisher | 13:43 |
| kanzure | the object id is going to be different between each pdf | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | s/learning/training/ | 13:43 |
| kanzure | it doesn't do that | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | you told me the first thing was to find the object that needed removing | 13:43 |
| kanzure | yes, so that you can write a plugin for pdfparanoia that searches for similar objects | 13:44 |
| nmz787 | then you know what to search for content-wise in future | 13:44 |
| nmz787 | i thought | 13:44 |
| kanzure | just knowing the id is not enough | 13:44 |
| kanzure | knowing the id is necessary for starting the process of reverse engineering | 13:44 |
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| nmz787 | nah i thought you'd search i nfuture with content of that object | 13:44 |
| kanzure | the content is often obfuscated using whatever encodings that i probably don't know; often it's based on dimensions or geometry or coordinates | 13:45 |
| kanzure | making a blocking http server for pdf watermark removal is really really bad. you should at least make it non-blocking, and then move all the watermark removal stuff into a separate module so that it's not dependent on wsgi/flask things. | 13:45 |
| nmz787 | also, seems like you'd just have to do it for a few papers from that publisher to see what their watermark data was, do a diff between all the watermark objects you've collected | 13:46 |
| kanzure | diffing the content of the watermark objects wont tell you much | 13:46 |
| nmz787 | you also said with a binary search of removing objects you usually get it in 6-8 hits | 13:46 |
| kanzure | i was talking about a manual process for starting the reverse engineering process | 13:47 |
| nmz787 | so i am fine with doing that for each pdf i upload for now until we can get the training part working better | 13:47 |
| nmz787 | for now even just for debug i think it's vaulable | 13:47 |
| nmz787 | it wasn't very slow or anything | 13:47 |
| ParahSailin | no, diff the same paper downloaded from different locations | 13:48 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: he's talking about something else.. | 13:48 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: he wants to create some svm thing for detecting the watermark objects based on 'training data sets' instead of the plugin approach where a programmer figures out how to remove the watermark | 13:48 |
| nmz787 | sure, so the IP is different, so but hopefully they aren't encoding with error-correction | 13:48 |
| nmz787 | i.e. nested interleaved data | 13:48 |
| nmz787 | which i doubt they are using | 13:49 |
| ParahSailin | dont really need to do something that wild to train detection | 13:49 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: otherwise i can't explain why he is using the word 'training' if he didn't mean machine learning.. | 13:49 |
| nmz787 | so i'd think the IP section of the coding would be different, but the "You downloaded from Springer.com" wouldn't be | 13:49 |
| nmz787 | svm? | 13:49 |
| nmz787 | no way | 13:49 |
| nmz787 | you told me that i should randomly remove objects til it was gone and my content wasnt | 13:50 |
| kanzure | fuck you, learn to read | 13:50 |
| nmz787 | so i made the function to get any pdf page | 13:50 |
| nmz787 | as a png | 13:50 |
| ParahSailin | removing entire objects is going to break many pdfs | 13:50 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:50 |
| ParahSailin | because often the watermark is part of the same stream as the content | 13:50 |
| kanzure | i was explaining a manual process for identifying a watermark's object id | 13:50 |
| kanzure | by a binary search of removing objects | 13:50 |
| nmz787 | and i wanted to present to myself that image with a yes/no box, along with a count of the # of objects currently removed | 13:50 |
| kanzure | and then once you find the id, you can identify how to find it more easily (geometry, size, placement, encoding, etc) | 13:51 |
| ParahSailin | you just want to remove that particular BT ... ET section | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i didn't tell you to randomly remove objects and the ncreate machine learning training data sets or whatever | 13:51 |
| kanzure | *then | 13:51 |
| nmz787 | i was under the assumption you just removed any object, since that's all pdfparanoia looked like it was doing | 13:52 |
| nmz787 | in the plugins | 13:52 |
| kanzure | it's removing a specific object | 13:52 |
| kanzure | each plugin finds a very specific object | 13:52 |
| nmz787 | there are no machine learning ANYTHING in my head with this project | 13:52 |
| nmz787 | you segued onto that somehow but it's not me man | 13:52 |
| kanzure | you keep saying 'training' and 'diff the watermarks' | 13:52 |
| nmz787 | yes | 13:52 |
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| nmz787 | the difference should only be the IP address | 13:53 |
| nmz787 | which is somehow encoded | 13:53 |
| nmz787 | if it isn't using error-correction or encryption it will be surrounded by the same journal watermark text | 13:53 |
| kanzure | what the hell does that have to do with making a flask server :( blaaaaah | 13:53 |
| nmz787 | "you downloaded from Springer.com from IP 000.000.123.122 have a nice day | 13:53 |
| nmz787 | " | 13:53 |
| nmz787 | you're stuck on that | 13:54 |
| ParahSailin | i think you should be happy that he pushed stuff onto github | 13:54 |
| nmz787 | that's minimal | 13:54 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: or angry that he doesn't listen | 13:54 |
| nmz787 | that's just how i wanted to connect to the user | 13:54 |
| nmz787 | it's that you are going asperbers and not seeing my perspective | 13:54 |
| kanzure | your user that is writing a pdfparanoia plugin? | 13:55 |
| nmz787 | i don | 13:55 |
| nmz787 | 't use nodeJS or any phantomJS or whatever | 13:55 |
| kanzure | what does nodejs or phantomjs have to do with this now ? | 13:55 |
| nmz787 | because that's what you'll suggest if i ask about displaying a PNG | 13:55 |
| kanzure | you shouldn't be displaying a png in the first place! separation of concerns | 13:56 |
| kanzure | just generate a png, and then a ui layer (whatever the user chooses or if another developer spits it up over http, fine) chooses | 13:56 |
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| kanzure | s/) chooses/) displays/ | 13:56 |
| nmz787 | i chose web UI layer | 13:56 |
| kanzure | yeah and then you stuck all your pdf parsing code into the same thread | 13:56 |
| nmz787 | and flask was like 20 lines of code i already had | 13:56 |
| kanzure | as the request/response | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | so very simple! | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | you sucl | 13:57 |
| kanzure | but it's also wrong and broken and forces everyone else who imports this file to use wsgi/flask | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | k | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | your coding help sucks | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | you | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | 're mean | 13:57 |
| kanzure | what do you not understand about my suggestions? | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | and rude | 13:57 |
| kanzure | i disagree about my coding help sucking, maybe you can tell me what you don't understand or disagree with | 13:57 |
| nmz787 | no | 13:58 |
| kanzure | yes i'm mean and rude, i have every right to be given the previous conversation before today *plus* your continued actions | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | I have a farmer to go help build a barn with | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | I do more than just code | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | you can't understand that | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | you never have been able to understand why biologists can't use computers | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | and you don't realize that i fall between them and you | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | and you don't know how to see or understand my perspective | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | maybe you are the one not thinking things through thorougly | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | i wrote a bunch of code, I wasn't rude at all | 14:00 |
| kanzure | code can be rude and do rude things :) | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | I wanted to write a plugin but I couldn't understand it | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | I found errors in your code | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | I knew you wouldn't like flask so I didnt fork your code | 14:00 |
| kanzure | i explained how it worked to you and you asked questions and then i clarified (not today) | 14:00 |
| kanzure | i like flask just fine, for web servers | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | sorry I lacked attribution to you | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | you also know I wrote a flask server to receive pdfs from my browser | 14:01 |
| kanzure | you found errors but you expected me to have 100% complete coverage of all of modern science, which is completely unreasonable. i also said i was filling to accept bugfixes and new features. | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | and i've mentiond wanting to integrate watermark removal, so flask is no more overhead in my existing application | 14:02 |
| kanzure | (i never advertised pdfparanoia as working across all known publishers) | 14:02 |
| nmz787 | sorry i didn't attribute your codebase, ParahSailin too I guess and whoever else, I'll try to fix it but I have to go now. | 14:02 |
| nmz787 | I just wanted to make things better. | 14:03 |
| nmz787 | Sorry I tried. | 14:03 |
| nmz787 | Do you blame me for being mad? | 14:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | my dog, shhesh | 14:03 |
| nmz787 | Sorry for that too, if so. | 14:03 |
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| ParahSailin | nmz787: for future reference, its easiest to use gs and https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/ghostscript/source/38a0cb22a559ee2492ecf77be8361fcd30346a4a:toolbin/pdfinflt.ps to inflate a pdf then browse it in text editor | 14:13 |
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| katsmeow-afk | nmz787 , would you know a glue that will stick to 2 liter pop bottle plastic? | 14:14 |
| Qfwfq | ParahSailin: Good tip, thanks. | 14:16 |
| kanzure | you should do the thing where you draw ids on each object instead of asking a user to do things over HTTP. then you just spit out a png and you can identify the ids on each page. | 14:17 |
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| katsmeow-afk | hmm, locktite construction adhesive | 14:25 |
| kanzure | not the most useful visualization but whatevs http://binwalk.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/pdf_3d.gif | 14:44 |
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| FourFire | I'm feeling that my hardware is corrupted a lot today :( | 15:24 |
| Dantespeaks | I just got a Core 2 quad at 2.33ghz, 4gb ram. and ive been using a Pentium 4. And this is a significant improvement. | 15:39 |
| Dantespeaks | and i paid 130 bucks. yay! | 15:40 |
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| FourFire | wooh | 16:03 |
| FourFire | I'm hoping my i5 460m will arrive in the post real soon | 16:03 |
| FourFire | I'm using a P4500 atm | 16:03 |
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