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| kanzure | hahaha http://homakov.blogspot.nl/2014/01/account-hijacking-on-mtgox.html | 08:05 |
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| kanzure | coinbase next | 08:08 |
| kanzure | since they use oauth2 | 08:08 |
| pasky | still i like mtgox response i guess (though having some bounties would be good) | 08:09 |
| kanzure | Who to join? OAuth2.a? i am just a russian scriptkiddie nobody listens to :/ | 08:13 |
| kanzure | http://homakov.blogspot.com/2013/03/oauth1-oauth2-oauth.html | 08:14 |
| wallmani | hello russian script kiddie | 08:14 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://comp.social.gatech.edu/papers/cscw14.crowdfunding.mitra.pdf | 10:42 |
| kanzure | kickstarter seo analysis thing | 10:42 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://comp.social.gatech.edu/papers/cscw14.crowdfunding.mitra.pdf | 10:42 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/537c4cb93e3047f7a1c9884bf68df195.pdf | 10:42 |
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| FourFire | soo... | 12:10 |
| kanzure | yes? | 12:11 |
| FourFire | what are opinions on the apparently named "internet for robots" ? | 12:11 |
| kanzure | discriminatory; i should have access to the same network as any other piece of hardware | 12:11 |
| FourFire | ok | 12:12 |
| FourFire | I guess you hate paywalled science papers then | 12:12 |
| kanzure | fuck yeah i do? | 12:13 |
| kanzure | what do you think paperbot is | 12:13 |
| wallmani | what is the purpose of giving paperbot a link like that? | 12:13 |
| kanzure | i don't trust other servers to store pdfs | 12:14 |
| kanzure | so paperbot does it for me | 12:14 |
| FourFire | :D | 12:14 |
| wallmani | ah | 12:14 |
| wallmani | just that? :D | 12:14 |
| wallmani | is he only for your use? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 12:15 |
| wallmani | what about the stored papers? | 12:15 |
| wallmani | is that place only downloadable by you? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | are you able to access http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/537c4cb93e3047f7a1c9884bf68df195.pdf | 12:16 |
| wallmani | yeah | 12:17 |
| wallmani | is there a comprehensive list? | 12:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ | 12:17 |
| wallmani | you are awesome | 12:17 |
| wallmani | do you mind if i download that? | 12:17 |
| wallmani | _all of it_? | 12:17 |
| jrayhawk | yes, hoarding is always awesome | 12:17 |
| jrayhawk | if you hoard enough, you even get put on TV! | 12:18 |
| kanzure | don't encourage me | 12:18 |
| wallmani | haha | 12:18 |
| wallmani | me and a buddy have a git repo for papers | 12:18 |
| kanzure | downloading it is fine just don't be an idiot and ddos me | 12:18 |
| wallmani | that we both read | 12:18 |
| wallmani | it's fun | 12:18 |
| kanzure | storing papers in git is stupid and you should feel bad about yourself | 12:18 |
| chris_99 | heh i do that | 12:18 |
| kanzure | unless they are latex | 12:18 |
| jrayhawk | git-annex would make a fair amount of sense | 12:18 |
| kanzure | git-annex is probably not what he means | 12:18 |
| wallmani | oh, haven't heard of git annex | 12:18 |
| wallmani | jrayhawk: looks a lot better than my current solution | 12:19 |
| wallmani | kanzure: thing is, the files don't get changed or moved from the repo, so it doesn't take up that much space | 12:19 |
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| kanzure | it seems like you're using git as a workaround for not wanting to use rsync or some other file synchronizer | 12:19 |
| wallmani | yeah, mostly to handle adding more users | 12:20 |
| wallmani | and not giving ssh access to a machine | 12:20 |
| jrayhawk | if it's not immediately clear, git annex is a system for versioning symlinks to object files rather than versioning the object files themselves, so there's no cost to checkout. | 12:21 |
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| wallmani | yeah, i'm looking at it now | 12:21 |
| wallmani | i will see how i can use it | 12:21 |
| wallmani | i can see a few applications for this | 12:21 |
| jrayhawk | with lots of optional features for asynchronous object retrieval and distributed redundancy and stuff | 12:22 |
| kanzure | why is the top of my laptop's screen warmer than the bottom? | 12:23 |
| jrayhawk | Backlights might require weird voltage transforms. | 12:23 |
| wallmani | electrons are lighter than air so they float up to the bottom of the clossed chasis of a laptop | 12:24 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 12:24 |
| wallmani | and it heats it up because of that | 12:24 |
| kanzure | oh good call, i did have the backlight on and had forgotten about it | 12:24 |
| wallmani | jeez i need to motivate myself to finish this task | 12:24 |
| kanzure | have you considered piles of drugs | 12:25 |
| wallmani | i have | 12:25 |
| wallmani | this is what happens when i agree to work on a paper with my boss, who is a postdoc | 12:25 |
| wallmani | "hey wallmani, your research can lead to a paper if we do some more things" and 3 months later "oh, you will have to redo some things because we can send it to a better conference then" | 12:25 |
| kanzure | gradstudentbot: you should coauthor a paper with wallmani | 12:26 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't remember the paper, but someone definitely did that. | 12:26 |
| kanzure | gradstudentbot: are you going to write the draft? | 12:26 |
| gradstudentbot | How many pages do I owe you? | 12:26 |
| wallmani | haha | 12:27 |
| wallmani | gradstudentbot: i heard you wanted a day off to work on your own research, what nonse is this? -Your Advisor | 12:27 |
| gradstudentbot | I hope they kick me out. | 12:27 |
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| kanzure | wallmani: try giving paperbot a link to a nature.com paper | 12:30 |
| wallmani | one sec | 12:32 |
| jrayhawk | re: motivate myself: https://www.beeminder.com/ looks amusingly plausible for that | 12:34 |
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| wallmani | kanzure: i set my download to be 500KB/s if you don't mind | 12:39 |
| kanzure | whatever, ask jrayhawk for max rate limit | 12:39 |
| jrayhawk | 100MiB/s should be fine | 12:40 |
| wallmani | heh | 12:41 |
| wallmani | i wish i had more than 100MiB/s | 12:41 |
| wallmani | from my work machine | 12:41 |
| wallmani | although supposedly in a year we are getting 1gbit, and 10gbit to everything in the uni | 12:42 |
| jrayhawk | I imagine VT is on internet2, so those sorts of speeds should be reasonably easily achievable | 12:42 |
| wallmani | yeah | 12:43 |
| wallmani | i used to work in a lab in the university datacenter | 12:43 |
| wallmani | it was 1gbit to all other universities and to DC | 12:43 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: try not to give away the reason why internet2 is relevant here | 12:43 |
| wallmani | i used to have a speedtest result image somewhere for that | 12:43 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: even though it's practically obvious | 12:43 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: apparently not everyone is clever enough to think about that | 12:44 |
| jrayhawk | you are the king of subtlety | 12:44 |
| wallmani | heh, why is it relevant here? | 12:44 |
| kanzure | :facepalm: | 12:44 |
| kanzure | yeah jrayhawk just brought it up because he's a random nutjob, sure.. | 12:45 |
| kanzure | i can't tell what you were thinking about why he would mention it | 12:45 |
| kanzure | actually i'm not sure: who else is hooked up to internet2? | 12:46 |
| jrayhawk | http://members.internet2.edu/university/universities.cfm | 12:46 |
| jrayhawk | http://members.internet2.edu/corporate/corporate.cfm | 12:46 |
| kanzure | oh there are corporate members | 12:46 |
| kanzure | welp nevermind | 12:46 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.internet2.edu/communities-groups/members/research-education-networks/ | 12:46 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.internet2.edu/communities-groups/groups/ | 12:47 |
| kanzure | i see microsoft's logo there.. does that mean all microsoft campuses? | 12:47 |
| jrayhawk | Probably. Microsoft dumps a *lot* of money into research. | 12:47 |
| kanzure | hrm, not many options for working somewhere with modern internet access | 12:48 |
| kanzure | i wonder how much revenue beeminder is pulling in | 12:49 |
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| wallmani | kanzure: are you a native russian speaker? | 13:08 |
| kanzure | Медведев Д анила | 13:09 |
| wallmani | what about that name? | 13:09 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm just bullshitting you | 13:09 |
| kanzure | no i am not a native russian speaker | 13:10 |
| wallmani | ah, i saw a russian explanation on your pdf watermark removal, so i thought maybe you were a native speaker | 13:10 |
| wallmani | unless you learnt russian later | 13:10 |
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| chris_99 | anyone know how much the US gov. spend on science funding out of interest | 14:23 |
| kanzure | "not much", low 10's of billions | 14:29 |
| chris_99 | i just saw that China spent $100 billion last year | 14:30 |
| jrayhawk | There's a lot of indirect funding as well, so direct comparison between countries is difficult to quantify. | 14:49 |
| kanzure | plus military spending too.. | 14:50 |
| wallmani | yep | 14:50 |
| wallmani | i work on a multikernel OS in a lab and most of our funding is from the US navy | 14:50 |
| kanzure | oh you're not wetlab? | 14:50 |
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| wallmani | no, never heard of that | 14:50 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't remember the paper, but someone definitely did that. | 14:52 |
| wallmani | heh | 14:52 |
| wallmani | gradstudentbot: hi | 14:52 |
| gradstudentbot | The freezer was too cold and fucked up my sample DNA. | 14:52 |
| kanzure | wetlab means biology stuff | 14:52 |
| wallmani | i looked it up after i said that | 14:53 |
| wallmani | but no, i'm in a software development lab | 14:53 |
| kanzure | btw how did you find this channel or why are you here? | 14:53 |
| wallmani | i don't even remember | 14:53 |
| wallmani | i am interested in nootropics | 14:53 |
| wallmani | and someone linked me to here | 14:53 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't have enough data to form a hypothesis. | 14:53 |
| wallmani | from lesswrong | 14:53 |
| chris_99 | a multikernel os sounds interesting, whats the idea of that? (is it to improve scheduling or something?) | 14:54 |
| kanzure | lazyos things happen eventually once scheduled | 14:54 |
| wallmani | chris_99: if you are very interested i can link to a paper about it | 14:57 |
| chris_99 | sure that'd be cool | 14:57 |
| wallmani | can't find the main paper right now and my work machine is down | 15:00 |
| wallmani | here's the website http://popcornlinux.org/index.php/overview | 15:00 |
| chris_99 | cheers, that sounds really interesting | 15:02 |
| kanzure | 13:56 <@quanticle> Back when mining Bitcoin was still feasible using EC2, we found that a significant number of our fraud cases came from people mining Bitcoin using EC2 accounts paid for with stolen credit cards. | 15:02 |
| kanzure | 13:57 <@quanticle> So essentially they were laundering money by turning credit card lines of credit into Bitcoin via EC2. | 15:02 |
| chris_99 | wallmani, in simple terms how do you actually run multiple linux kernels | 15:05 |
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| wallmani | one kernel starts, and then it starts up more kernels | 15:32 |
| wallmani | the limitation is 1 kernel per core | 15:32 |
| wallmani | and the kernels communicate using a messaging system developed by the lab | 15:32 |
| chris_99 | how do you actually spawn the other kernels, is it a case of using something like fork or is it a lot more complex than that | 15:38 |
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| wallmani | a bit more complex | 15:49 |
| wallmani | i don't remember the exact details off the top of my head | 15:50 |
| wallmani | well, there is the trampoline in the kernel | 15:50 |
| wallmani | and kexec | 15:50 |
| wallmani | and those are the tools that were modified | 15:50 |
| chris_99 | is the idea to isolate processes by pushing them out onto one of these kernels, so it limits any damage, like in a VM | 15:53 |
| wallmani | yeah | 15:53 |
| wallmani | also part of the application of it would be to run it on heterogeneous hardware | 15:54 |
| wallmani | and make CPUs and whole other machines hotswappable | 15:54 |
| wallmani | also, the multikernel approach would actually improve performance on very big machines | 15:54 |
| wallmani | and pretty much most NUMA memory architecture machines would get a slight performance boost on multithreaded applications | 15:55 |
| chris_99 | because the the kernel would actually be on the same phys core of the app you mean, the communication would be faster? | 15:55 |
| jrayhawk | There's a lot of overhead in synchronizing atomic operations between many-core machines. | 15:56 |
| jrayhawk | Linux, while technically usable, is not actually a good idea on 4096 cores. | 15:57 |
| jrayhawk | At least they got rid of the BKL | 15:57 |
| chris_99 | with Linux in general in an SMP system, is there like a master kernel process, then other 'slaves' or are they all equal | 15:59 |
| jrayhawk | Linux runs a lot of threads ('pstree 2' is probably interesting on your system), at least. | 16:01 |
| jrayhawk | Which are in some sense slaves to the scheduler. | 16:01 |
| chris_99 | ah interesting i didn't realise it did it through kthreads | 16:02 |
| kanzure | there used to be this kernel project that started with an m that did kernel-process-transfer stuff | 16:07 |
| chris_99 | mosix | 16:08 |
| chris_99 | openmosix | 16:08 |
| chris_99 | that was pretty cool | 16:08 |
| kanzure | mosix! yes. | 16:09 |
| kanzure | wait, no. | 16:09 |
| chris_99 | i think the guys went onto virtualisation stuff | 16:09 |
| kanzure | mosix.org seems to call it a kernel | 16:09 |
| chris_99 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMosix | 16:09 |
| chris_99 | it was a kernel mod | 16:09 |
| kanzure | oh i see | 16:09 |
| jrayhawk | we ran a mosix cluster of, like, 30 machines back in highschool. we could never find a workload that actually went faster than one machine. | 16:10 |
| kanzure | this was back when i was pretending to be a kernel developer as a 13 year old | 16:10 |
| chris_99 | jrayhawk, i think some mpeg encodery type stuff was supposed to work on it | 16:10 |
| jrayhawk | important life lesson: do not attempt to use ethernet as a backplane | 16:10 |
| chris_99 | heh | 16:10 |
| gradstudentbot | Huh, this western worked on the first try. | 16:12 |
| wallmani | gradstudentbot: i love you | 16:18 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't know, I think that's kind of problematic. | 16:18 |
| wallmani | he he | 16:18 |
| wallmani | where is he getting the quotes from? | 16:18 |
| wallmani | jrayhawk: we are trying to create an efficient enough protocol to make communication between kernels scale easily | 16:19 |
| kanzure | years of collective suffering on behalf of all grad students everywhere | 16:19 |
| wallmani | and enable process/thread migratino | 16:19 |
| kanzure | but also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovEghdXC4tE | 16:19 |
| jrayhawk | chris_99: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/linux:osdi10.pdf http://halobates.de/lk09-scalability.pdf are decent introductions to the scalability issues, though they were both written in the BKL era | 16:20 |
| chris_99 | thanks :) | 16:20 |
| gradstudentbot | We simply don't do enough titrations in my lab. | 16:20 |
| kanzure | i don't understand why you randomly have experience in mosix or some project that i once poked around at | 16:20 |
| jrayhawk | we had a lot of crappy old machines and a lot of free time | 16:21 |
| kanzure | what was this, high school for posix misfits? | 16:21 |
| chris_99 | haha | 16:21 |
| wallmani | haha | 16:21 |
| jrayhawk | close to it | 16:21 |
| jrayhawk | it was either that or PVM, and PVM doesn't seem nearly as cool | 16:22 |
| jrayhawk | I mean, you could run that shit on WINDOWS | 16:22 |
| wallmani | are you both graduate students now? | 16:22 |
| kanzure | friends don't let friends go to super school | 16:23 |
| kanzure | i'm an undergrad dropout. i got my papers published and then fled for my life. | 16:23 |
| jrayhawk | no, i am a posix systems/networking/hosting consultant and he is a swearing-at-python-programmers consultant | 16:24 |
| kanzure | i am just a generally grumpy consultant | 16:24 |
| jrayhawk | i am a highschool dropout. i am going to claim that makes me one better. | 16:25 |
| kanzure | it does and this will be my eternal shame :\ | 16:26 |
| jrayhawk | i host a vserver for a middle school dropout CEO. he makes me feel bad about having wasted those years of my life. | 16:27 |
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| kanzure | i had this high school teacher that was constantly telling me "you know, you could just go work for yahoo right now and make a killing" | 16:27 |
| kanzure | so my parents sat down with him, and he said the same thing, except plus "but he could also just stay in school" | 16:28 |
| jrayhawk | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=b+bishop+austin where are these publishings of yours | 16:31 |
| kanzure | wow even my email address doesn't show them? | 16:32 |
| kanzure | http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/D1/D1250.short | 16:32 |
| kanzure | my email address is clearly right in there | 16:32 |
| kanzure | also this one http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/Research/DOES/administrator/components/com_jresearch/files/publications/JCISE.2010.pdf | 16:33 |
| kanzure | also there was this, but i wasn't included as an author because biology is brutal bloodsport: | 16:34 |
| kanzure | http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/6/Suppl_4/S523.short | 16:34 |
| kanzure | i wish i could make an argument for that singinst paper about uncertainfuture.git but all i can claim is contributed code during the project (definitely no involvement on the exact paper) | 16:35 |
| jrayhawk | an oddly short list | 16:35 |
| jrayhawk | the author list, i mean | 16:36 |
| kanzure | i was a freshman in undergrad- i wasn't exactly able to convince all my advisors to pay the fees to publish anythi-- oh | 16:36 |
| kanzure | if you will notice, that's one of the ultima people | 16:37 |
| jrayhawk | man, he actually admits to working on Ultima VIII | 16:39 |
| gradstudentbot | Sigh, my invasive fruit flies won’t have sex for me. | 16:39 |
| jrayhawk | why, when you have VII on your resume, would you even mention VIII | 16:39 |
| wallmani | i wish i could drop out of college and then legally stay in the US | 16:40 |
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