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| dbolser | kanzure: did you take part in the counterparty burn? Sounds awesome! | 02:10 |
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| dbolser | I'm going to set up a delete coin burn... | 02:10 |
| dbolser | (all my info comes from LTB) | 02:11 |
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| @archels | "Werbos [...] said we could open up a Pandora’s Box of problems if we keep innovating without knowing what we’re doing." | 04:44 |
| @archels | maybe this guy should look up 'innovation' in a dictionary | 04:44 |
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| kanzure | just[dead]: then link to it | 07:13 |
| kanzure | just[dead]: and yes, the way you said it made it sound like a joke | 07:14 |
| eudoxia | the way he said it made me think he was quoting someone, but there were no quotes | 07:14 |
| kanzure | dbolser: i participated in hte burn and also i have contributed changes to counterparty upstream | 07:14 |
| kanzure | dbolser: i also have rewritten counterparty (or at least a large chunk of it) | 07:14 |
| dbolser | kanzure: in a fork? or upstream? | 07:25 |
| dbolser | I'm going to try to get some LTBcoin just to understand the mechanics a bit better | 07:25 |
| eudoxia | dbolser: https://github.com/PhantomPhreak/counterpartyd/commits?author=kanzure | 07:25 |
| dbolser | I want to start trashcoin, you mine it by picking up trash | 07:25 |
| dbolser | there is a 'pictographic proof of work' principle within a gamified wot | 07:26 |
| dbolser | is that origin? | 07:27 |
| dbolser | but I want to write up the 'trash paper' before spamming it around | 07:28 |
| dbolser | I'm 0% near an implementation | 07:28 |
| dbolser | the coin is totally incidental, but it makes sense to have it rather than a random 'score' with no significance outside of the project | 07:28 |
| dbolser | and pictographic proof of work is obviously just a joke, but it's one idea we've had to stop people gaming the system | 07:29 |
| kanzure | dbolser: i have a friend who proposed trashcoin to me. he literally used that same pitch. | 07:33 |
| kanzure | dbolser: he started obsessive-compulsively picking up trash one day for no reason and figured it should have some monetary value | 07:33 |
| kanzure | well, anyway, there are practical reasons why it's a bad idea | 07:33 |
| kanzure | my counterparty reimplementation is not quite a fork.. it's just an alternative because xnova/phantomphreak clearly do not know how to package software well. | 07:34 |
| eudoxia | how would pictographic POW work and not be gameable | 07:34 |
| kanzure | he admitted as much | 07:34 |
| eudoxia | you could just go around taking pictures of trash bins | 07:35 |
| eudoxia | unless it requires a GIF of you picking it up and throwing it in the dumpster | 07:35 |
| kanzure | taking pictures of trash bins is not necessary, you could just generate blender scenes | 07:35 |
| eudoxia | and uses face recognition to detect it's actually you | 07:35 |
| eudoxia | right | 07:35 |
| dbolser | no | 07:35 |
| kanzure | dbolser: pm | 07:41 |
| kanzure | also, i recently picked eric hunting's brain about this topic and he emailed me back this, http://privatepaste.com/7a791990ef/asdf3801 | 07:45 |
| cluckj | did ckelty get back to you? | 07:48 |
| kanzure | no | 07:49 |
| cluckj | oh well | 07:50 |
| cluckj | he might...academic email responses run real slow | 07:50 |
| kanzure | it's not exactly something i expect a reply to | 07:51 |
| kanzure | i'll probably get a related email in about 7 years | 07:51 |
| kanzure | which is okay | 07:51 |
| cluckj | hahaha | 07:52 |
| chris_99 | ThomasEgi, about? | 07:52 |
| ThomasEgi | about what? | 07:53 |
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| chris_99 | check this heh "The entire meter’s data is recorded in a Ferro-electric Random Access | 07:53 |
| chris_99 | Memory (FRAM) under the control of the microprocessor" | 07:53 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: what repo was it trying to clone? | 07:54 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: really i don't think that the skdb package downloader is a good idea. separation of concerns.. | 07:54 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: i just wanted the packages to run it on them and test what works | 07:55 |
| eudoxia | for a requirements.txt file (it's a start) | 07:55 |
| eudoxia | and the repo was screw | 07:55 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, this thing has fram? like where? | 07:55 |
| kanzure | git clone git://diyhpl.us/srv/git/lego.git | 07:55 |
| chris_99 | ThomasEgi, the RTC thing is also FRAM | 07:55 |
| kanzure | git clone git://diyhpl.us/srv/git/dremelfuge.git | 07:55 |
| eudoxia | "fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /srv/git/lego.git" | 07:57 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, you tapped into the i2c bus? | 07:59 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk_: poke? see eudoxia's error message. | 07:59 |
| chris_99 | not yet, i'll try and do that later, will break out a logic analyser | 07:59 |
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| dbolser | My first impl. is, if people want to game, let them game. Who cares realy. | 08:08 |
| dbolser | when I thought about coin, I thought miners could go to an area that had been 'cleaned', and take a photo to prove it, confirming the original 'transaction' | 08:09 |
| dbolser | photos are flagged as clean or not and can be viewed on a forum | 08:09 |
| dbolser | people can go take pictures of trash and upload them for other miners to go clean | 08:09 |
| dbolser | mining involves either picking up trash or confirming trash has been picked up or reporting trash | 08:09 |
| dbolser | wot is used to get past the need for picture proof within a short time | 08:10 |
| dbolser | it's mostly a game, the coin idea came after | 08:10 |
| dbolser | but again, srsly, you want to pretend to pick up trash? go ahead son, we don't mind. | 08:10 |
| dbolser | there there, etc. | 08:10 |
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| JayDugger | Good afternoon, everyone. | 10:00 |
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| justanotheruser | hello | 12:38 |
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| nmz787_i | can you see me? | 12:48 |
| nmz787_i | I can't tell if I can see replies | 12:49 |
| justanotheruser | nmz787_i: yes | 12:49 |
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| nmz787_i | ok, i think this shouldn't kick me\ | 13:10 |
| nmz787_i | this setup | 13:10 |
| nmz787_i | seems I can't ssh from work, due to proxies, tried using ncat with ssh but it didn't work | 13:11 |
| chris_99 | do they do DPI? | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | DPI | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | ? | 13:14 |
| chris_99 | deep packet inspection | 13:16 |
| chris_99 | i'm just playing around with my stm32 it's pretty awesome it comes with cool demos for the screen preloaded like a vid player etc | 13:20 |
| nmz787_i | neat | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | so i can't tell which of these I should use, I figure most recent commit is the one I should choose... http://wiki.wxpython.org/wxGTKWebKit http://www.gnu.org/software/pythonwebkit/ https://code.google.com/p/pywebkitgtk/ | 13:28 |
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| nmz787_i | or maybe just pyjamas desktop, which seems to be a mashup of those | 13:59 |
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| jrayhawk_ | augh, default release of testing | 14:42 |
| jrayhawk_ | well, here's hoping dist-upgrading to wheezy doesn't blow anything up | 14:43 |
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| eudoxia | oh no, gnusha.org is down | 15:46 |
| eudoxia | such sad, much where will i obsessively read the logs | 15:46 |
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| giant20 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-642-22144-6_126 | 16:32 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b5950a62f14c46a636c4374ee88baa95.txt | 16:33 |
| giant20 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-642-22144-6_126.pdf | 16:36 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a5cb4ff7b20743019e0942a1281f90c5.txt | 16:37 |
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| justanotheruser | eudoxia: I haven't seen kanzure here in a while, so it may be down for a while | 16:46 |
| justanotheruser | wait, nevermind. the scrollback says he was here a few hours ago | 16:47 |
| eudoxia | it just went back up | 16:49 |
| eudoxia | apparently jrayhawk updated | 16:49 |
| jrayhawk_ | aaand now git is fixed | 16:58 |
| kanzure | hello from denton, texas | 17:01 |
| justanotheruser | hello kanzure | 17:01 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i've done a bunch of pywebkitgtk stuff or even a little bit of webkitgtk+ stuff and pyjamas-desktop things, so ask away | 17:02 |
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| eudoxia | hm git is still giving me the same errors trying to clone repos from both urls cgit provides | 17:24 |
| eudoxia | huh, it clones 'lego' and 'diyhpluswiki' just fine, but with 'screw' and 'threads' it gives me a 'repo not exported' error | 17:25 |
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| kanzure | hmm what was the command, recreaterepo? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | reloadrepo? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | bryan@gnusha:~/public_html/irc$ sudo rebuildrepo screw | 17:30 |
| kanzure | You are not the owner of screw! | 17:30 |
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| jrayhawk_ | sudo sudo | 17:30 |
| jrayhawk_ | it's stupid, i am sorry | 17:30 |
| kanzure | what | 17:30 |
| jrayhawk_ | the normal usecase is to use sudo for privilege escalation from a normal user | 17:31 |
| kanzure | bryan@gnusha:~/public_html/irc$ sudo sudo rebuildrepo screw | 17:32 |
| kanzure | Reloading web server config: apache2/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: 87: ulimit: error setting limit (Operation not permitted) | 17:32 |
| jrayhawk_ | that's just a warning, but i will go fix that | 17:33 |
| kanzure | bit rot? | 17:33 |
| jrayhawk_ | vserver limitations | 17:33 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: both threads and screw should be okay now | 17:35 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: yes they are, thanks | 17:36 |
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| jrayhawk_ | also translation-server is broken and it was not clear whether that mattered | 19:57 |
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