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| kanzure | is that a geometrical thing? rombit? | 07:23 |
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| eudoxia | i think he meant "it from bit" | 07:30 |
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| archels | under the mild reinterpretation of alluding to mind uploading | 08:44 |
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| kanzure | dunno when this ethereum paper was released, http://gavwood.com/Paper.pdf | 09:11 |
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| eudoxia | >Code execution depletes gas; thus it may exit before the | 09:13 |
| eudoxia | code has come to a natural halting state. | 09:13 |
| eudoxia | i like how bitcoin turns these computer problems into social/economic problems | 09:13 |
| kanzure | you mean, social problems into computing problems | 09:14 |
| eudoxia | well, i guess it does both | 09:14 |
| eudoxia | in this case the problem of a program falling into an infinite loop is solved simply by running out of money | 09:14 |
| kanzure | 16:09 < maaku> no pow works because the economic restriction provided by the 2nd law : even though you can't know you're in the consensus set, you can put a raw economic cost on the probability of you being tricked | 09:15 |
| kanzure | 16:29 < maaku> sipa, jaekwon: my physics-based understanding of bitcoin is that uses work to tie bitcoin consensus to a fundamentally scarce resource: entropy | 09:15 |
| kanzure | 16:30 < maaku> it is possible to use other physically scarce resource instead, but there is no alternative with the universal scarcity of entropy | 09:15 |
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| kanzure | 17:21 <@kanzure> 16:35 < gmaxwell> An interesting observation is that if we had a true strong publically verifyable captcha— so that a human had to mine— you're still ultimately turning energy into proofs (e.g. instead you could mine by having baby farms where you turn out more people to solve the captchas. :) ) | 09:16 |
| kanzure | 17:21 <@kanzure> 16:37 < gmaxwell> but bitcoin itself solved an impossible problem by relaxing some constraints, so perhaps there are relaxations or changes that are just as useful but make other things work. | 09:16 |
| kanzure | 17:21 <@kanzure> 16:41 < maaku> i could be an AI trapped in a simulation with no knowledge of the outside world other than the foundational laws of physics, and from that be able to assert the validity of proof-of-work | 09:16 |
| kanzure | i have recently discovered how much i dislike game theory | 09:17 |
| kanzure | they just list out charts of rewards in giant tables.. it's the stupidest thing. | 09:17 |
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| nmz787_i | my manager wants me to place ~500MB of portablePython in our SVN repo with the code.... not sure what to do | 09:34 |
| nmz787_i | his only concern is if it slows down SVN (which I doubt it would do) | 09:34 |
| kanzure | portablepython should be a third-party dependency | 09:35 |
| kanzure | use devpi | 09:35 |
| kanzure | or gemfury.com if you don't want to maintain an internal python package repository | 09:35 |
| kanzure | vendorizing third-party dependencies is a last resort that is almost always unnecessary and morally evil | 09:35 |
| kanzure | also you might find it easier to interact with those people using git-svn | 09:36 |
| nmz787_i | hmm, those look like they're for python packages/modules though, while portablePython is lots of dlls and .exes | 09:37 |
| kanzure | then use your system's native package manager | 09:38 |
| nmz787_i | I don't think that exists | 09:38 |
| kanzure | ...? | 09:38 |
| nmz787_i | windows | 09:38 |
| kanzure | install it inside the development vm creation process, and then just distribute the development vm | 09:39 |
| kanzure | instead of cluttering up the svn repo | 09:39 |
| kanzure | veewee, packer, docker, whatever your method is | 09:40 |
| kanzure | oh yeah windows, so probably just veewee or packer | 09:41 |
| kanzure | also there's a windows dependency management tool called nanoni.. nani.. nanonoonnite.. something. ask jrayhawk. | 09:41 |
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| delinquentme | Does anyone know of large repositories of cell microscopy images? | 09:46 |
| kanzure | lots of pathology/pathophysiology people keep online images | 09:52 |
| nmz787_i | veewee nor packer will work | 10:13 |
| nmz787_i | there will be no installation of this, since its portablePython its sort of like a virtualenv, in that it can run from anywhere. eventually admins will be setting up the dir with read and execute but no write perms, on a network drive accessible to the users who need it. | 10:14 |
| kanzure | network drive is not a way to distribute packages | 10:16 |
| kanzure | i mean, you should have actual infrastructure | 10:16 |
| kanzure | putting everything into svn is a code smell | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | the network drive isn't for distro | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | its for accessing the binaries | 10:16 |
| kanzure | it means either nobody on your team has ever participated in a well-thought-out project, or that they are intentionally bullshitting you | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | I think that's a little ignorant/limited answer | 10:17 |
| nmz787_i | this seems to justify the situation http://stackoverflow.com/a/531464/253127 | 10:17 |
| nmz787_i | "Usually one stores them into a Maven repository, but to store them into SVN allows you to have one and only one referential for all your need: get your sources, and get your libraries you need to compile those sources. All comes from one repository." | 10:17 |
| kanzure | yeah, because dumping everything into svn is what everhyone knows therefore it's the correct solution. ugh. fuck people. | 10:17 |
| nmz787_i | well it's really the developers of those project fault for not including a non-versioned storage method :P | 10:18 |
| kanzure | in the absence of anything at all, yes, storing everything in svn is obviously going to do better than "not storing anything anywhere". but no shit? | 10:20 |
| jrayhawk_ | is there a git-annex equivalent for | 10:37 |
| jrayhawk_ | SVN | 10:37 |
| jrayhawk_ | also i don't know what the windows dependency management tool would be. best i can think of is NSIS. | 10:37 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: maybe you mean nuget? | 10:40 |
| eudoxia | oh it's probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninite | 10:41 |
| kanzure | nsis and ninite were both what i was thinking of | 10:43 |
| kanzure | i mean, i was ambiguously trying to refer to both those things | 10:43 |
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| heath | so phreedom's evacuating as russia prepares to invade eastern ukraine | 13:40 |
| kanzure | good | 13:43 |
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| heath | heh, I don't know about that | 14:04 |
| nsh | heh | 14:04 |
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| nmz787_i | so is bitcoin still a thing? | 15:20 |
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| bkero | It certainly is. | 15:20 |
| kanzure | definitely | 15:23 |
| kanzure | would you like some? | 15:23 |
| nmz787_i | I don't have a wallet | 15:23 |
| nmz787_i | My farmer mentioned he wants to paint a weathered-looking sign that says 'bitcoin accepted' | 15:24 |
| nmz787_i | Would that still be considered a sale, or is it a stock-trade operation (he said the IRS is going to consider bitcoin stock) | 15:24 |
| nmz787_i | because as-is he has some limit on how much milk he can sell (it is raw) | 15:25 |
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| kanzure | i wonder how many "don't operate heavy machinery" labels i can ignore at the same time | 16:23 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: you can make a private/public keypair at http://bitaddress.org/ | 16:23 |
| jrayhawk_ | or with apt-get install electrum | 16:23 |
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| kanzure | oh yeah, debian things | 16:34 |
| nmz787_i | ok 15aVXMNxzofbMvHFNiE9PffC1hgfBLuLHD | 16:35 |
| kanzure | how much would you like? | 16:36 |
| nmz787_i | if this is one of those genie-like questions, as many as you have now and all that you will acquire in the future | 16:37 |
| kanzure | tough crowd | 16:37 |
| nmz787_i | :P | 16:37 |
| nmz787_i | idk whatever you think will be helpful? | 16:37 |
| kanzure | txid: 14968546b680d154dcb7cc9f113587ea3abd6d44a70b95ba501027aa3e06a424 | 16:39 |
| kanzure | https://blockchain.info/en/address/15aVXMNxzofbMvHFNiE9PffC1hgfBLuLHD | 16:39 |
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| nmz787_i | sweet | 16:41 |
| nmz787_i | now what can i do with it? | 16:41 |
| nmz787_i | that site you sent said I need to give someone my whole balance at once or somethign | 16:41 |
| kanzure | electrum will handle that | 16:42 |
| kanzure | i suggest not doing anything until you read more about it i guess | 16:42 |
| nmz787_i | i don't regularly use linux these days | 16:44 |
| nmz787_i | should I just save the pub and priv key for now? | 16:44 |
| kanzure | store your private key somewhere safe. write it down somewhere. | 16:44 |
| kanzure | yep | 16:44 |
| nmz787_i | can I just paste the pub key to my website and like youtube channel and such? | 16:45 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:45 |
| nmz787_i | rather than a paypal donate button? | 16:45 |
| kanzure | you can use coinbaes.com/bitpay.com/whatever to have a 'bitcoin donate button' if you want. but yes an address is also convenient. | 16:45 |
| kanzure | actually they just did a uri scheme where it pops up your bitcoin client with the address and amount filled in.. | 16:46 |
| kanzure | i forget which bip number that one is | 16:46 |
| kanzure | it's something like bitcoin://address?amount=500 | 16:46 |
| kanzure | the advantage of using hte coinbase.com button is that they generate you a new address for every donation. sometimes you want this, sometimes not. | 16:47 |
| nmz787_i | hmm | 16:48 |
| nmz787_i | so basically if i want to split up this bitcoin, I really should donate a part of it to myself at a new fresh address? | 16:48 |
| nmz787_i | then send that address priv key to whom i want to buy from? | 16:48 |
| kanzure | never give anyone the private key | 16:49 |
| nmz787_i | bitaddress.org says : "Spend your bitcoins by going to blockchain.info or mtgox.com and sweep the full balance of your private key into your account at their website." | 16:49 |
| kanzure | sure. that's for manually creating a transaction. | 16:49 |
| kanzure | all unspecified amounts on an address get sent to the miner, so you usually send (1) the amount to the person, and then (2) the rest to yourself, and (3) some amount for the fee (or 0) | 16:50 |
| kanzure | of course, electrum handles that for you | 16:51 |
| nmz787_i | hmm | 16:55 |
| nmz787_i | oh electrum has windoze binaries | 17:09 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: well thanks | 17:48 |
| nmz787_i | I'll have to read up on electrum | 17:48 |
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| entelechios | so hows about that bigold openssl vuln | 17:49 |
| entelechios | on top of the recent gnutls one not so long ago, heh bet people are reviewing things pretty throughly all of the sudden | 17:50 |
| entelechios | http://heartbleed.com/ | 17:54 |
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| eudoxia | re:openssl vuln, i thought we had formally-verified TLS implementations running in languages with automatic memory | 18:09 |
| eudoxia | so why are we still using a toolkit some guy wrote because he thought it would be a cool way to learn C? | 18:10 |
| * eudoxia is having one of those "everyone so dum we should all be using plan9" moments | 18:10 | |
| entelechios | lol | 18:12 |
| entelechios | it's solipsitic, and counterproductive if influence is what you wish to pull, to act like everyone else is as smart as you | 18:13 |
| entelechios | or rather should be or could be | 18:13 |
| entelechios | gotta get more creative than that | 18:13 |
| eudoxia | hm, are you saying i should write an Ocaml-to-Go compiler for those verified TLS stacks | 18:15 |
| entelechios | yes | 18:18 |
| entelechios | go for it | 18:18 |
| entelechios | everyone will use it and you'll be the toast of the town | 18:18 |
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| eudoxia | it's perfect | 18:19 |
| eudoxia | next up bitcoin.js | 18:19 |
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| entelechios | hahaha | 18:20 |
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| kanzure | i have mastered the art of mucus chromatography | 18:50 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNHlv0DXPbI | 18:52 |
| kanzure | .title | 18:53 |
| yoleaux | Blue Harvest - Aquascope (Original Mix) [HD] | 18:53 |
| kanzure | 17:29 < Emcy> wow hidden services too | 19:15 |
| kanzure | http://corp.galois.com/cryptol/ "Cryptol is a domain-specific language (DSL) and tool suite that simplifies the specification of a cryptographic algorithm and then compiles the specification into VHDL" | 19:36 |
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| kanzure | 19:58 < Luke-Jr> anyone know if SSH is affected by the 0day? | 20:07 |
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| kanzure | http://git.openssl.org/gitweb/?p=openssl.git;a=commitdiff;h=96db9023b881d7cd9f379b0c154650d6c108e9a3 | 20:11 |
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