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| archels` | .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23893007 | 07:32 |
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| yoleaux | Designing a bio-responsive robot from DNA origami. [J Vis Exp. 2013] | 07:32 |
| archels` | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2014.58.html | 07:33 |
| paperbot | ConnectionError: [Errno 110] Connection timed out (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) | 07:36 |
| kanzure | hmph. | 07:37 |
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| archels` | http://turingbirds.com/temp/nnano.2014.58.pdf | 07:38 |
| archels` | http://turingbirds.com/temp/nnano.2014.58-s1.pdf | 07:41 |
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| kanzure | maybe a giant whiteboard is not the right metaphor or model for working memory | 10:36 |
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| eudoxia | apparently my boss wrote a patch that would have disabled heartbeat in 2002 | 10:40 |
| eudoxia | but the pull request was not accepted | 10:40 |
| kanzure | in 2002 there was no dcvs in common use so i bet it was more like a patch he submitted | 10:41 |
| kanzure | instead of a pull reqest | 10:41 |
| kanzure | request | 10:41 |
| eudoxia | probably. i used pull request in an abstract kind of way | 10:41 |
| kanzure | *dvcs | 10:42 |
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| jrayhawk | does linux count as "common | 11:14 |
| jrayhawk | " | 11:14 |
| eudoxia | no | 11:15 |
| kanzure | pushing a patch to a mailing list isn't the same thing as pls pull my diffs i think | 11:15 |
| jrayhawk | linux was using DVCS in 2002 | 11:16 |
| kanzure | bitgater? | 11:16 |
| kanzure | bitgatekeeper? | 11:16 |
| eudoxia | bitkeeper | 11:16 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022053183900480 | 13:04 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b336917aaf5a1fd3ff101627cc5bde78.txt | 13:04 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://ksmb02.kellogg.northwestern.edu/research/math/papers/469.pdf | 13:04 |
| paperbot | TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 825, in text) | 13:05 |
| kanzure | oof that's even worse than usual | 13:05 |
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| kanzure | what were all those prediction markets that the extropians used to be interested in? | 13:47 |
| kanzure | there was some concept regarding everyone praticipating in a prediction market 24/7 (even if they choose to participate to very limited extents) | 13:48 |
| kanzure | and that this was supposed to smooth out the actual results or something? i really forget | 13:48 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, used to be? | 13:58 |
| kanzure | well i think most of them are dead | 13:58 |
| FourFire | kanzure, http://www.gwern.net/Prediction%20markets | 13:59 |
| FourFire | I've heard that some of them have died | 13:59 |
| FourFire | kanzure, I think I read some futurist fanfic involving that concept | 14:00 |
| kanzure | extropians? yes. a lot of them were alive in the 80s, which makes them less likely to be alive now. | 14:00 |
| FourFire | That's something which I find odd, if extropians are sort of extinct, what replaced them? | 14:10 |
| FourFire | What is it which people who otherwise would have grown up into extropians, at this point in time label themselves? | 14:10 |
| FourFire | is it because of the "great winter" for AI that there is a deficit of people in this culture, or has it just got a different name, and slightly different direction because of shifting values? | 14:11 |
| FourFire | And why do I think you might know the answers to these questions? | 14:12 |
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| jrayhawk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betfair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BETDAQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HedgeStreet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The%20Iowa%20Electronic%20Markets | 14:39 |
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| jrayhawk | and http://www.predictionbook.com/ as a practice resource | 14:41 |
| jrayhawk | more for training confidence levels | 14:41 |
| kanzure | FourFire: most of the original extropians are just off doing other things now that their information well has dried up | 14:43 |
| FourFire | Which information well is this? | 14:43 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.gwern.net/Prediction%20markets gwern has pretty good notes on the subject | 14:43 |
| kanzure | FourFire: there was a mad dash when the internet was first introduced to these types of people to quickly write down all of their observations, and then i think they just collectively stopped thinking about those issues in that way because they figured the internet would do it for them, or something. | 14:43 |
| FourFire | yeah, reading old sites and archived copies of sites which don't exist any longer give me the impression of implied hastiness | 14:44 |
| FourFire | like shit was happening at the time, or something, it gives me an odd feeling, like "well what came of all this stuff that happened 10-15 years ago?" | 14:45 |
| FourFire | instead we have reddit, and circle jerks | 14:46 |
| FourFire | and a handful of players who are actually visibly progressing the state of the world, and a whole bunch of hidden people silently doing so | 14:46 |
| FourFire | I hope I can join in the latter grouå | 14:47 |
| FourFire | Group* | 14:47 |
| kanzure | uh, how would you know if there are hidden people or not? | 14:47 |
| FourFire | well, there's different layers of "hidden" | 14:47 |
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| FourFire | you can find things on the internet, interesting things, if you look hard and smart enough, so many of the things I've seen are probably hidden from most redditsphere people | 14:48 |
| FourFire | but I doubt I've seen even 5% of what's happening | 14:49 |
| FourFire | I get the general impression that there are lots of things going on behind the scenes, so to speak | 14:49 |
| FourFire | and from time to time, a scientific paper is released, one which suprises me because I wasn't expecting that particular advancement, and I don't go out of my way to read the titles of new papers, so I know I'm not nearly searching as hard or smart as I could | 14:50 |
| FourFire | kanzure, would you like to add anything to that? | 14:51 |
| kanzure | you have a very strange understanding of the world, it seems to be something like "wait for announcements of pdfs on reddit" | 14:52 |
| FourFire | Nope, I've just got a vague grasp on how limited my mind is | 14:52 |
| FourFire | but, sure, my understanding of the world is strange, if not for that reason | 14:52 |
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| kanzure | i always feel bad about making lists in text files with - as the list item delimiter | 17:44 |
| kanzure | because of the possible negative value connotation | 17:44 |
| kanzure | of course i sometimes use * and [ ] but for some reason rarely + | 17:44 |
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| eudoxia | i hadn't thought about that | 17:56 |
| eudoxia | i usually use * but sometimes - because YAML | 17:56 |
| kanzure | ugh markup | 18:05 |
| kanzure | often i'm not writing (in that context) to render into some other format (like html), so restructuredtext/markdown is not really a good idea | 18:06 |
| kanzure | it's more about organizing the text itself for easy manipulation | 18:06 |
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| pasky_ | meh (after trying out flexbot, just came by post), why is it so hard to build a (cheap) *copter that is easy to control? | 18:13 |
| eudoxia | god markup is terrible | 18:14 |
| eudoxia | i want something i can both exchange data and write documents with | 18:14 |
| eudoxia | JSON and YAML only do the former, XML does both (you don't have to quote strings, so you can write docs eg DocBook with it) but it's too verbose | 18:15 |
| eudoxia | and all the other markup formats are too limited and require extensions like pandoc's markdown | 18:15 |
| eudoxia | ugh i'm gonna end up rolling my own | 18:15 |
| kanzure | pasky_: i think someone dumped some of the firmware from the ardrone2 somewhere.. maybe go figure out which algorithms they are using. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | pasky_: they seem to have a philosophy of exposing their api to their users for controlling the quadcopter | 18:28 |
| kanzure | pasky_: so presumably this means a somewhat-easy api for maneuvering | 18:28 |
| drazak | kanzure: were you a fan of swartz? | 18:30 |
| kanzure | there's lots of compromising emails from me to him in his inbox | 18:30 |
| drazak | he reply ever? | 18:31 |
| kanzure | once or twice. nothing exceedingly interesting. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | ooh https://github.com/musalbas/heartbleed-masstest/blob/master/ssltest.py | 18:32 |
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| pasky_ | kanzure: maybe the firmware here is even opensource.. but sadly I don't have the time :( | 18:35 |
| pasky_ | i was looking forward to just some fun flying, but taglines like "a copter anyone can fly" never come true :) | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i don't think the firmware is open source for ardrone2 | 18:38 |
| kanzure | but, i would say it's highly flyable | 18:39 |
| kanzure | out of box | 18:39 |
| kanzure | here are some videos i put into a playlist about it: | 18:39 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoAp0pzqLY4&list=PLgO7JBj821uHkFJYEfq2UX06Ob1bQ2JLm&feature=mh_lolz | 18:39 |
| kanzure | first one isn't ardrone, oops | 18:40 |
| kanzure | this is a fun talk: | 18:40 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl5v3bsMH_E&list=PLgO7JBj821uHkFJYEfq2UX06Ob1bQ2JLm | 18:40 |
| kanzure | (about programming ardrone2 with javascript/nodejs/stuff) | 18:40 |
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| kanzure | "Really it means (as everyone assumed in the first place) that anything a web server might have in its heap needs to be totally thrown away. Private keys. Passwords. Credit card numbers. Security questions/answers. Sessions. Anything you'd send to a web server or receive from a web server is presumed compromised." | 18:55 |
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| kanzure | wheee "If the passwords were POSTed over and left on the heap, then they were vulnerable to being scooped up via Heartbleed, even if they are stored hashed in the database." | 18:56 |
| kanzure | this is the best xmas for me ever | 18:57 |
| dingo | indeed | 19:22 |
| dingo | dynamic languages make this difficult | 19:22 |
| dingo | in C you can just memset() the address to 0 before free() | 19:22 |
| dingo | and w/openbsd's malloc() it just does that for you | 19:22 |
| dingo | to 0's, rather | 19:22 |
| dingo | but in python or ruby or java... you have no choice | 19:23 |
| dingo | you're removed from the heap | 19:23 |
| dingo | very few web apps are written in C :-) | 19:23 |
| jrayhawk | diyhpl.us has an awful lot of binary CGIs; i don't actually know how most of those even get made | 19:27 |
| kanzure | do you mean .cgi files themselves? | 19:35 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 19:36 |
| kanzure | which ones are you thinking of? | 19:36 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ file /srv/www/secure.diyhpl.us/write/*/*.cgi | grep ELF | wc -l | 19:36 |
| jrayhawk | 43 | 19:37 |
| kanzure | oh, ikiwiki.cgi | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | Staticly compiled, but I never actually looked into how. | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | I guess it's probably just using the perl runtime...? | 19:37 |
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| dingo | could be, for speed, some people have written true C-languaged CGI's | 19:47 |
| dingo | you could run strings on them and | grep for perl-like things | 19:47 |
| jrayhawk | No, it's not for speed; it's due to setuid/setgid. | 19:50 |
| jrayhawk | we're also running cgit, which is definitely the latter | 19:51 |
| kanzure | distributed constraint satisfaction in the context of the ALICE module of the LHC http://cds.cern.ch/record/677286/files/thesis-2003-029.pdf?origin=publication_detail | 20:19 |
| kanzure | in the project coordination sense | 20:19 |
| kanzure | "Problem size: The size of the coordination problem is massive. The estimated number of tasks that will be executed within the 15-year project horizon, is 30,000. If we represent each task by only one variable, keep the duration fixed, and assume for each variable a temporal domain of 15 years with a resolution of 1 hour, the theoretical number of complete variable assignments would be astronomically large, (24*365*15)^30000 = 131400^30000. ... | 20:20 |
| kanzure | ... Even if we centralise the problem and apply domain pruning and all kinds of consistency techniques, the problem remains intractably massive." | 20:21 |
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| kanzure | figure 7.1 is intense | 20:25 |
| kanzure | lots of arrows | 20:25 |
| dingo | lol thats an enourmous figure | 20:28 |
| dingo | echo '131400^30000' | bc | wc -l | 20:28 |
| dingo | 2259 | 20:28 |
| dingo | like 20 pages of numbers followed by 20 pages of 0's | 20:28 |
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| dingo | thats like, a lot, dude. | 20:28 |
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| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/9/1594.full | 20:49 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Fpcp%2Fpcq103 | 20:49 |
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| kanzure | ouch there's a fun name, krzysztof | 21:03 |
| kanzure | "A model for quantifying information leakage" aka "one weird trick for stalkers" http://ilpubs.stanford.edu:8090/1046/1/VLDB_SDM_CameraReady.pdf | 21:14 |
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| kanzure | someone sent me a takedown request of http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1303/1303.6739.pdf | 22:45 |
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