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| @_archels | paperbot: http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/NECO_a_00587 | 00:46 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fb2998da70dff3533b290188199dce30.pdf | 00:46 |
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| @_archels | I don't like their premiss of simulating neural networks on general-purpose processors | 00:56 |
| @_archels | "With the increasing importance of cluster-based computations and GPU acceleration, we cannot introduce a new simulation scheme without discussing parallelization possibilities." | 00:56 |
| @_archels | maybe you should take that as central? maybe? | 00:57 |
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| @_archels | I wonder what improvement you could obtain by using an FPGA instead of a GPU to evaluate coupled PDEs | 00:59 |
| @_archels | at the same power budget, let's say | 01:00 |
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| gene_hacker | well there's this:http://www.hpcwire.com/2014/05/05/brain-inspired-device-simulates-one-million-neurons/ | 01:04 |
| gene_hacker | if mass produced, you could have a system with as many neurons as an octopus, for $200,000 | 01:06 |
| @_archels | yeah, those chips are pretty cool | 01:08 |
| @_archels | but it might be a while till they hit retail | 01:08 |
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| gene_hacker | you can already buy stuff like this:http://www.cognimem.com/products/chips-and-modules/CM1K-Chip/ | 01:11 |
| gene_hacker | just doesn't have as many neurons | 01:11 |
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| @_archels | the architecture of their neural net is hardwired though | 01:14 |
| @_archels | for instance, you couldn't do reservoir computing with those chips | 01:14 |
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| gene_hacker | it looks like it isn't completely hardwired: https://www.stanford.edu/group/brainsinsilicon/documents/BenjaminEtAlNeurogrid2014.pdf | 01:22 |
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| @_archels | no, NeuroGrid is cool, I was referring to that CM1K chip | 01:25 |
| gene_hacker | oh | 01:26 |
| gene_hacker | yeah that's right | 01:26 |
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| AshleyWaffle | music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B_GI8hy6o | 08:46 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: here's an old cool thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkpIuD5io_k | 08:47 |
| eudoxia | two of the interviewees are dead | 08:48 |
| eudoxia | s/dead/cryopreserved | 08:48 |
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| @heath | atom text editor is open source now | 10:45 |
| eudoxia | finally my text editor will be as fast, responsive and stable as my browser | 10:45 |
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| FourFire | Has anyone here ordered and received Soylent ? | 10:56 |
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| cluckj | you're suggesting someone in a channel obsessed with DIY is going to buy something for which the recipe is freely available? :P | 11:01 |
| kanzure | .title http://plane.ardupilot.com/ | 11:07 |
| FourFire | well, has anyone DIY'ed soylent? | 11:07 |
| yoleaux | Fixed-wing aircraft UAV | 11:07 |
| kanzure | .title http://plane.ardupilot.com/wiki/common-using-the-3dr-radio-for-telemetry-with-apm-and-px4/ | 11:07 |
| yoleaux | common-Using the 3DR Radio for Telemetry with APM and PX4 | 11:07 |
| kanzure | radio firmware source code https://github.com/tridge/SiK | 11:08 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/tridge/SiK/blob/master/Firmware/radio/packet.c | 11:09 |
| kanzure | huh this looks an awful lot like the samba source code i was digging through a while back | 11:09 |
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| kanzure | hrm, nevermind. the style is different. | 11:10 |
| cluckj | I haven't; too many carbs in it | 11:10 |
| FourFire | cluckj, if you DIY you can change that... | 11:12 |
| gradstudentbot | You know, I hear you make more money being a garbage man. | 11:13 |
| kanzure | soylent is really good at marketing | 11:13 |
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| FourFire | well I'm evidence of that... | 11:16 |
| cluckj | I like to eat real food tho | 11:17 |
| xmj | doesnt soylent make you grow manboobs | 11:17 |
| FourFire | yeah so do I | 11:17 |
| xmj | ...due to some hormone in it? | 11:17 |
| FourFire | xmj does it? | 11:17 |
| cluckj | lol | 11:17 |
| chris_99 | haha | 11:17 |
| FourFire | which version? | 11:17 |
| FourFire | [citation needed] | 11:18 |
| chris_99 | why would they add anything that does that heh | 11:18 |
| gradstudentbot | Argh, what do you mean you don't accept LaTeX submissions?? | 11:18 |
| kanzure | chris_99: because nutrition is not that straightforward; any moron can make a mistake like that | 11:18 |
| xmj | FourFire: iirc soy beans contain estrogen | 11:19 |
| chris_99 | oh i did not know that xmj interesting | 11:19 |
| FourFire | I read this story about this girl who lived on chucken nuggets and chips for 17 years | 11:19 |
| kanzure | minor amounts of estrogen aren't going to radically alter your female-axis traits | 11:19 |
| FourFire | seemed mostly healthy for most of that time, but pale, eventually collapsed due to deficiencies | 11:19 |
| xmj | chris_99: just take my half-knowledge as attempt for nerd-baiting and do some research | 11:20 |
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| FourFire | xmj afaik the only soy in soylent is an emulsifier, which they included so that they could keep the name | 11:20 |
| chris_99 | xmj heh ok | 11:20 |
| xmj | lol | 11:21 |
| xmj | chris_99: soylent manboobs has a ton of interesting links, actually | 11:21 |
| chris_99 | lol | 11:21 |
| FourFire | but there's loads of DIY open source recipes made by hobbyists which have other things in it | 11:21 |
| chris_99 | i don't really see the appeal of eating sludgy stuff myself, but it seems an interesting idea | 11:21 |
| kanzure | "DIY open source recipes" ugh | 11:22 |
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| cluckj | lol | 11:22 |
| kanzure | "libre DIY open source recipes" | 11:22 |
| xmj | myself i just noticed that this week has the potential to be steak week | 11:22 |
| FourFire | there's a minority of the population which expect great benefit out of having quick, healthy cheap meals | 11:22 |
| JayDugger | I eat a lot of spirulina, chlorella, etc. Not soylent, but green sludge. | 11:22 |
| cluckj | "free/libre DIY open source recipes" | 11:22 |
| kanzure | cluckj: i feel like i'm herding cats | 11:23 |
| xmj | you can remove the DIY as it's implied in recipe. | 11:23 |
| FourFire | ok, fine some of that sentence was redundant kanzure | 11:23 |
| xmj | and recipes are open source per se, no? | 11:23 |
| cluckj | probably free, and open source too | 11:23 |
| JayDugger | Volunteer with your local rescue group to get a taste of cat herding. | 11:23 |
| FourFire | JayDugger, how does that work for you? | 11:24 |
| cluckj | try being an academic to get a taste of cat herding, am I right gradstudentbot? | 11:24 |
| gradstudentbot | Oh that's interesting, do you want to write a paper together? | 11:24 |
| cluckj | yes, yes I do | 11:24 |
| JayDugger | Laser pointers make cat herding easy for a large fraction of cats. | 11:24 |
| chris_99 | heh | 11:24 |
| xmj | then 'free food' should work in academia. | 11:26 |
| cluckj | it only works really well on broke grad students | 11:27 |
| FourFire | cluckj, yeah that's most of the minority I'm talking about | 11:28 |
| chris_99 | which includes most grad students | 11:28 |
| FourFire | Young, nerdy bachelors | 11:28 |
| @ParahSailin | soy beans do not contain estrogen | 11:28 |
| cluckj | after the first few years of grad school you figure out how to live well on little money | 11:28 |
| cluckj | so that excludes PhD candidates and ABDs | 11:29 |
| cluckj | FourFire, and bachelorettes | 11:29 |
| chris_99 | cluckj, are you a PhD student then? | 11:29 |
| cluckj | chris_99, I'm an ABD | 11:29 |
| cluckj | (all but dissertation) | 11:29 |
| chris_99 | what's that? | 11:29 |
| FourFire | the Hackerschool soylent recipe: http://www.cookingfor20.com/2013/06/18/hacker-school-soylent-recipe/ | 11:30 |
| kanzure | that means he hasn't written a diissertation. isn't that obvious? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | why do you all suck | 11:31 |
| cluckj | lol | 11:31 |
| cluckj | hey I explained myself :P | 11:31 |
| chris_99 | oh heh sorry | 11:32 |
| kanzure | *dissertation | 11:32 |
| cluckj | chris_99, I was sassing kanzure | 11:34 |
| kanzure | sass is better than scss | 11:37 |
| chris_99 | whatcha doing as a subject cluckj if you don't mind me asking | 11:38 |
| kanzure | studying you | 11:38 |
| kanzure | watching you | 11:38 |
| kanzure | normal creepster stuff | 11:38 |
| chris_99 | haha | 11:38 |
| cluckj | ^^ | 11:38 |
| gradstudentbot | Nope, that's not even remotely possible. | 11:39 |
| FourFire | "<kanzure> why do you all suck" maybe you're just viewing us with suck coloured spectacles | 11:40 |
| kanzure | yes, i'm sure there's a rational or good reason why you're so fucking vulnerable to shitty marketing | 11:41 |
| FourFire | everyone's brain is broken | 11:41 |
| FourFire | some are more broken in certain ways than others | 11:42 |
| FourFire | some broken brains have found how to exploit some breakage | 11:42 |
| kanzure | see? you already found a way where i'm not viewing you through "suck coloured spectacles". | 11:43 |
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| FourFire | your brain is broken too... | 11:46 |
| cluckj | O_o | 11:46 |
| cluckj | chris_99, 'amateur' science | 11:46 |
| chris_99 | oh cluckj | 11:46 |
| chris_99 | i remembr now | 11:46 |
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| fenn | mmm soylent | 12:04 |
| kanzure | fenn, what about a place in detroit | 12:08 |
| kanzure | i wonder if there's lots of equipment still floating around | 12:08 |
| kanzure | or if all the good stuff is taken | 12:08 |
| fenn | i'm sure "the good stuff" left thirty years ago | 12:10 |
| fenn | so, detroit is basically canada | 12:10 |
| fenn | canada with roads and 3 phase power | 12:10 |
| kanzure | i believe canada has one of those | 12:10 |
| fenn | i am really trying to reduce the amount of infrastructure required, not optimize my processes for having lots of space and mass | 12:11 |
| fenn | anyway, detroit is interesting in its own right | 12:11 |
| fenn | i hear people are growing their own food in public parks because there are no grocery stores | 12:11 |
| kanzure | mumble mumble ribbon farms | 12:12 |
| fenn | yes i've seen that on aerial maps but didn't know what it was called | 12:13 |
| fenn | they can be much longer than in the image (higher aspect ratio) | 12:13 |
| fenn | "Near Detroit, the ribbon farms were about 250 feet wide and up to three miles long." | 12:13 |
| fenn | that could be cool, to have your own monorail | 12:14 |
| fenn | and a boat | 12:14 |
| kanzure | what about somewhere in china | 12:15 |
| fenn | " | 12:16 |
| fenn | Next, add about 75 g of brown sugar" what??? | 12:16 |
| fenn | except for the gratuitous sugar, "hacker school soylent" is identical to what i used to eat for breakfast baked into an "oat waffle" | 12:17 |
| fenn | and s/olive oil/butter/ because butter is better in all respects | 12:18 |
| cluckj | lol | 12:18 |
| fenn | and dutch cocoa loses out on a lot of the benefits of cocoa, it's basically been destroyed by the processing | 12:18 |
| cluckj | so if you bake soylent, you get cookies? | 12:19 |
| fenn | pretty much | 12:19 |
| fenn | it's more like a dense savory cake | 12:19 |
| gradstudentbot | My matlab crashed. | 12:20 |
| fenn | once you cook it, it lasts for at least a week (in waffle form) | 12:20 |
| fenn | also i used pea protein or whey | 12:21 |
| fenn | or just powdered milk | 12:21 |
| fenn | too much milk is too salty though | 12:21 |
| gradstudentbot | Who the hell stole my pipette? | 12:22 |
| xmj | does gradstudentbot have trigger words, or does he randomly say stuff? | 12:22 |
| gradstudentbot | MOTHERFUCKER OUR PAPER JUST GOT LEAKED | 12:22 |
| xmj | lol | 12:23 |
| gradstudentbot | xmj that is for me to know, and you to figure out | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | haha | 12:24 |
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| catern | i'd eat soylent waffles | 12:25 |
| fenn | the trick to good waffles is adding lots of butter to the waffle iron before you add the batter | 12:27 |
| fenn | also the kind where you can flip it over helps, and with the big squares | 12:28 |
| FourFire | so fenn, what you're saying is of you swap out all these ingredients ,and skip some, it's exactly the same as something you once used to eat? | 12:28 |
| fenn | yes | 12:28 |
| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16919327 | 12:28 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.biomaterials.2006.07.030 | 12:28 |
| kanzure | think of all the reduced shipping time | 12:29 |
| kanzure | you'll save millions of years of waiting for shipments from shady chinese suppliers | 12:29 |
| fenn | FourFire: i added molasses, which is brown sugar without the sugar, and i also added lecithin, and oat flour, and vegetable protein, so it's really the same thing | 12:30 |
| fenn | i feel pretty comfortable recommending this to people | 12:30 |
| fenn | i'm not sure about the flax | 12:30 |
| fenn | also i'd add magnesium | 12:31 |
| fenn | but it's a pretty good soylent | 12:31 |
| fenn | if you cook it, put the emergen-c in your beverage instead | 12:34 |
| fenn | green tea goes well with oat waffles | 12:35 |
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| kanzure | fenn, which dsps should i get? | 12:53 |
| fenn | i don't know | 12:54 |
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| fenn | msp430 is pretty standard, but might be too low powered | 12:54 |
| kanzure | also i need to find an appropriate devkit | 12:55 |
| fenn | there were several TI reference implementations, why not just use one of those? | 12:55 |
| kanzure | huh? | 12:56 |
| fenn | the 430MB linux image was meant to run some beagleboard-like thing | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | and you're saying i should just use that image? | 12:59 |
| kanzure | and not order a devkit thing? | 12:59 |
| kanzure | "The words though, have now been followed up by actions... as RIA reports that Russia’s Black Sea Fleet "will get new submarines and next-generation surface ships", Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday, voicing his concern at the increasing maritime activity of the US Navy" | 13:01 |
| fenn | no i'm saying you should look at whatever hardware system they had been developing for | 13:01 |
| kanzure | man, why can't i have a fucking black sea fleet? | 13:01 |
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| catern | is it okay to buy soylent.me soylent, or is that radically stupid? just want to test my ability to have such a monotonous diet before investing in lots of research | 13:09 |
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| fenn | catern i'm currently fighting with diy.soylent.me trying to get my recipe in the system, but i'd suggest following the "hacker school" version for a month with local grocery store ingredients before investing a lot into optimizing it | 13:21 |
| catern | fenn: but i'm lazy and don't want to have to buy the ingredients and make it myself | 13:22 |
| catern | until I know it's worth my time | 13:22 |
| fenn | what's your time worth? you're on IRC | 13:22 |
| fenn | anyway it takes less time to mix some powders in a jar than it does to cook a normal meal | 13:23 |
| kanzure | my time is worth lots | 13:23 |
| kanzure | (some is currently grocery shopping for me, supposed to deliver it 20 minutes ago. ugh.) | 13:24 |
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| fenn | so the future hasn't arrived in austin yet huh | 13:25 |
| catern | fenn: yeah yeah, I should do it the right way and follow some recipe I can tailor to myself, but, | 13:25 |
| fenn | catern: no, the point is you should see if you like this radical lifestyle change before throwing a lot of money at something you will potentially waste | 13:25 |
| kanzure | fenn: what do you mean the future? | 13:25 |
| catern | fenn: that's my point though | 13:25 |
| fenn | automated grocery deliveries, the fridge that knows what you ate and what to restock etc | 13:25 |
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| kanzure | if i a person is delivering it, is it automated? | 13:26 |
| catern | fenn: 85$ for 21 servings of soylent seems a lot better deal than investing a lot of time figuring out and making my own stuff | 13:26 |
| catern | a better way to try out the radical lifestyle change | 13:26 |
| fenn | kanzure: no, but ordering online is a value | 13:26 |
| fenn | catern: oh i didnt realize there were such small orders available | 13:26 |
| kanzure | i did order online | 13:26 |
| fenn | kanzure: see there should be a tube about 100cm in diameter that goes under your house, and little cylindrical robots get pumped through and stop and discharge your groceries into a little box that beeps at you | 13:28 |
| kanzure | sheena was very surprised by how many stores had pneumatic tubes around here | 13:28 |
| kanzure | "you do your banking in pneumatic tubes?" | 13:28 |
| catern | fenn: so can I assume that you don't have any problem with soylent.me soylent now that you know that? | 13:28 |
| fenn | but having a UPS guy drive around and run up to your porch isn't such a terrible compromise for now | 13:28 |
| catern | (as a first try) | 13:28 |
| gradstudentbot | You can't guarantee that. | 13:28 |
| kanzure | not a ups guy, just random http://taskrabbit.com/ person | 13:28 |
| fenn | catern: i haven't been keeping up with soylent.me as much as i probably should, but the first version of the recipe seemed a lot better than most "fad diets" | 13:29 |
| fenn | too much sugar but meh | 13:29 |
| catern | oh ok | 13:29 |
| fenn | i hear they are keeping the recipe secret? that seems like a really bad idea | 13:30 |
| catern | proprietary = bad | 13:31 |
| fenn | hopefully it doesn't have 400g of manganese :P | 13:31 |
| fenn | "here have some battery paste" | 13:31 |
| fenn | needs more vitamin C | 13:32 |
| fenn | 90mg is not enough | 13:32 |
| fenn | i wonder why they did that | 13:33 |
| kanzure | i'm gonna buy http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Apex-Explorer-Plus-Microscope/dp/B001BS00KK/ any objections? | 13:33 |
| kanzure | this is the one for eleitl | 13:33 |
| fenn | looks ok | 13:35 |
| fenn | this is kinda iffy "Before plugging the scope in, I checked the circuit board, and yes the 2 coils had detached. They were easily soldered back and all was fine. | 13:35 |
| fenn | anyway a microscope is not an electronic item | 13:36 |
| kanzure | "Unterbrunner St" | 13:36 |
| fenn | catern: i heard soylent.me was being slow and you had to wait some number of months to get your shit | 13:39 |
| fenn | is that still true? | 13:39 |
| catern | fenn: it says on their website 10-12 weeks | 13:39 |
| catern | but I don't mind waiting | 13:39 |
| fenn | well that's dumb | 13:39 |
| fenn | 12 weeks to get some oatmeal powder? | 13:39 |
| fenn | it's not magic | 13:41 |
| fenn | in fact the whole thing is pointless now that it's not open source | 13:41 |
| fenn | go buy some "ensure" | 13:41 |
| fenn | or "boost" | 13:41 |
| kanzure | "open source" | 13:41 |
| kanzure | "the whole thing is useless now that it's not using a bitcoin blockchain, man" | 13:41 |
| fenn | "open source" means anyone can replicate it with the information provided | 13:41 |
| fenn | that's not too much to ask for | 13:42 |
| fenn | it also means you know what the fuck you're eating every day | 13:42 |
| fenn | i thought that was mandatory | 13:42 |
| fenn | god dammit | 13:43 |
| kanzure | was soylent predicated around that | 13:43 |
| fenn | yes | 13:43 |
| kanzure | well, sorry, people suck | 13:43 |
| kanzure | don't design systems around relying on them | 13:44 |
| fenn | then some VC money got involved and it became "a startup" and everything went downhill from there as far as i can see | 13:44 |
| kanzure | or, maybe it was already going downhill before that | 13:44 |
| fenn | look, i set a pretty low bar for radical self experiments, but not knowing what you're eating is not good enough | 13:45 |
| kanzure | i suspect that most people go around in life not knowing anything at all in a general haze, so the person who did solynet probably thought it was a normal state of affairs and shrugged it off | 13:45 |
| fenn | no that's completely wrong. go back and look at the original blog post | 13:45 |
| fenn | fuck i hate the new archive.org wayback machine | 13:46 |
| kanzure | i never use the landing page, just type http://web.archive.org/web/*/address/* | 13:46 |
| kanzure | so he wrote an okay post just once, and then wasn't able to maintain conceptual integrity | 13:47 |
| kanzure | kinda boring story | 13:47 |
| fenn | that just gets me to the calendar view | 13:47 |
| fenn | it used to show you when the site changed with an asterisk next to the date, and it would just show a list of dates | 13:48 |
| fenn | now you have to go hunting through a bunch of blank space with calendar entries for each year | 13:48 |
| fenn | trying to find the bolded numbers | 13:48 |
| fenn | you couldn't design a worse interface without flash | 13:49 |
| fenn | you can't change years without javascript | 13:49 |
| kanzure | for the list of files on a single page i usually just wget that page | 13:50 |
| kanzure | because it's often 20,000 entries and only 50 shown per "page" (but it's all on the same page) | 13:50 |
| kanzure | so by examining the file directly i can save on memory | 13:50 |
| kanzure | plus not have to use a hypershit ui | 13:50 |
| kanzure | so it's win-win | 13:50 |
| fenn | The Quantified Diet | 13:51 |
| fenn | It's wonderful to have full visibility and control over what's going in to my body. Besides making food allergies irrelevant, it's trivial to increase or reduce consumption of a particular substance by a precise amount. | 13:51 |
| kanzure | so you're trying to prove to me that there is hope for reform from his side? | 13:52 |
| fenn | follow up post, "what's in soylent" | 13:52 |
| @ParahSailin | rhinoceros pubic hair | 13:53 |
| fenn | then he lists sort of an amateur overview of nutritional requirements | 13:53 |
| @ParahSailin | very good for horn! | 13:53 |
| fenn | ParahSailin: it was just maltodextrin, whey, salt, vitamin pills, and olive oil (pretty much) | 13:55 |
| @ParahSailin | the magic is in the trace ingredients from endangered animals | 13:59 |
| fenn | go away ParahSailin | 14:00 |
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| kanzure | don't make our black arts bio person leave | 14:00 |
| kanzure | he's like the only redeeming person we have around here | 14:01 |
| fenn | ok here's an ingredient list http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0421/5993/files/Complete-Soylent-Nutrition-Facts.jpg?27548 | 14:01 |
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| fenn | saved by the USDA (why isn't this the FDA's job again?) | 14:02 |
| @ParahSailin | ew canola? | 14:02 |
| fenn | wow 1 pound of dry powder per day, plus 60ml oil? that's more mass than i expected | 14:04 |
| fenn | i think i'd skip the "oil blend" | 14:05 |
| fenn | the fish oil would just make everything reek | 14:06 |
| fenn | and the canola is stupid | 14:06 |
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| jrayhawk | "Vitamin A (as palmitate)" what | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | i guess he meant retinol palmitate | 14:20 |
| fenn | wtf why is there no entry for "blackstrap molasses" in the USDA database | 14:22 |
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| jrayhawk | ugh, folic acid | 14:25 |
| kanzure | "obscure nutritional requirements of human body" probably belongs on the wiki | 14:25 |
| jrayhawk | also ugh, grain protein | 14:25 |
| fenn | jrayhawk: opinions on pea protein? | 14:26 |
| jrayhawk | i haven't heard of anyone reacting to it, so it is at least probably not actively bad | 14:26 |
| jrayhawk | I assume it's pretty low in BCAAs, though | 14:26 |
| jrayhawk | oh, "rich in BCAAs" | 14:27 |
| jrayhawk | huh | 14:27 |
| fenn | peas have the following amino acid breakdown: leucine 7.2% isoleucine 4.0% valine 4.6% | 14:30 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.swansonvitamins.com/now-foods-pea-protein-powder-2-lbs-pwdr has a specific and complete list | 14:30 |
| fenn | oh cool thanks | 14:31 |
| fenn | that is different from the USDA entry for peas | 14:33 |
| jrayhawk | well, it is an isolate | 14:33 |
| jrayhawk | "yellow peas" it says | 14:34 |
| fenn | hm ok | 14:35 |
| fenn | it doesn't match garbanzo beans either | 14:36 |
| fenn | so it must be some specific protein they're capturing | 14:36 |
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| fenn | ah it matches "pink lentils" | 14:37 |
| fenn | so, you'd expect "soylent" to use soy and lentil as the protein source | 14:39 |
| fenn | wtf is this shit http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5574/1 | 14:43 |
| fenn | i know for a fact there is a thing called "blackstrap molasses" and it is very different from regular molasses | 14:44 |
| fenn | http://www.brerrabbit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BRBlackstrap-nutrition.jpg vs http://www.brerrabbit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BRMild.jpg | 14:50 |
| fenn | argh where's my fucking portable mass spectrometer | 14:53 |
| kanzure | well, where's the last place you put it? | 14:55 |
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| delinquentme | Dangit .. whats the 4chan spelling of illuminati? | 15:13 |
| delinquentme | ilermernate? | 15:13 |
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| FourFire | blackstrap is recooked sugar cane juice | 15:39 |
| FourFire | like, secondary proccessed by product | 15:40 |
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| fenn | delinquentme: what was the other handheld sensor you mentioned? not SCiO but possibly some other near ir spectrometer? | 15:57 |
| delinquentme | tellspec | 15:57 |
| delinquentme | thats the one that failed . scio apparently has been checked out by vcfirms *(FWIW) | 15:58 |
| fenn | "failed" how? | 16:00 |
| fenn | aside from being ugly | 16:01 |
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| fenn | delinquentme? | 16:05 |
| delinquentme | IDk specifics | 16:05 |
| delinquentme | just know that the details are online. | 16:05 |
| fenn | .title http://www.ahurascientific.com/material-verification/products/truscan/index.php | 16:07 |
| yoleaux | Rugged Hand Held Raman Spectrometer for Material Testing | 16:07 |
| nmz787_i1 | NIR spec is boring | 16:08 |
| nmz787_i1 | its so lame they switched from Raman | 16:08 |
| nmz787_i1 | guess their 20/30 year spectroscopy expert wasn't up to the challenge | 16:08 |
| nmz787_i1 | even ben krasnow did raman with an SLR DIY style | 16:08 |
| kanzure | hah | 16:08 |
| kanzure | oh yeah, i guess spectroscopy stuff is technically supposed to be easier than plugging in 40 DSPs in parallel | 16:10 |
| fenn | nmz787_i1: raman is just a laser, a beam splitter, a filter, and a grating? | 16:11 |
| fenn | 300 mW or lower, why is that "handheld" thing so huge | 16:14 |
| @ParahSailin | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/764/2/167/article | 16:16 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1088%2F0004-637X%2F764%2F2%2F167 | 16:16 |
| fenn | woah it has a big collector mirror on the front | 16:18 |
| gradstudentbot | There's no way to know for sure. | 16:20 |
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| fenn | nmz787_i1: cool beans, i watched ben krasnow's video | 16:32 |
| fenn | i wonder why he used a HeNe laser and notch filter instead of just an IR laser and IR filter | 16:32 |
| fenn | that really ought to be a text post with photos, not a video | 16:33 |
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| fenn | "TellSpec started off with laser-based Raman spectroscopy (it’s described in its Indiegogo campaign), and switched to a DLP-based sensor when it partnered with Texas Instruments in March." | 16:39 |
| kanzure | so... sellouts? or cool excuse to use DLP. | 16:39 |
| fenn | DLP what? what? | 16:39 |
| kanzure | from the quote? | 16:39 |
| fenn | why can't we just call things what they are | 16:40 |
| fenn | not ranting at you, just sick of these fucking popular science articles that assume we are too stupid to know the difference between NIR and raman spectroscopy | 16:40 |
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| fenn | hyperspectral imaging or chemical imaging, in which thousands of Raman spectra are acquired from all over the field of view. The data can then be used to generate images showing the location and amount of different components. Taking the cell culture example, a hyperspectral image could show the distribution of cholesterol, as well as proteins, nucleic acids, and fatty acids. | 16:54 |
| fenn | Raman is not the same as hyperspectral, but still, i want to shoot lasers from my eyes | 16:54 |
| kanzure | it penetrates cell wall? | 16:56 |
| kanzure | or, erm | 16:56 |
| kanzure | i have not seen that sort of cellular protein imaging before | 16:56 |
| kanzure | mostly just "mix it in something that spins, then take the compound and blast photons at it" | 16:57 |
| fenn | there's not any chemical applied, it's just shooting a laser at the cell and watching the light coming off it | 16:59 |
| fenn | you have to scan the image with a slit/grating to get a hyperspectral image | 17:00 |
| kanzure | .g hyperspectral image | 17:00 |
| yoleaux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspectral_imaging | 17:00 |
| fenn | "just" a spectral image is pretty cool tho | 17:00 |
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| fenn | "If the scanner detects a large number of fairly narrow frequency bands, it is possible to identify objects even if they are only captured in a handful of pixels." | 17:02 |
| fenn | Newer full motion video spectral imaging systems can simultaneously captures and processes all three dimensions of a spectral cube at video rates. | 17:04 |
| fenn | imagine looking around and even ordinary rocks look special http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HSI_LWIR_stones.png | 17:09 |
| kanzure | but they do look special, thanks to the power of stimulants and hallucinogens | 17:09 |
| nmz787_i | fenn: notch filter or dropoff (or cliff, I think) filter is needed... basically the cutoff needs to be super steep or you'll have less usable data | 17:10 |
| fenn | so? i mean, data is better than no data | 17:10 |
| fenn | less data is better than no data | 17:10 |
| nmz787_i | maybe, but I think the usable data drops off significantly the further from the laser wavelength you are | 17:10 |
| fenn | also i think you can use multiple lasers and filters (red laser/red filter and ir laser/ir filter) to reconstruct the wavenumber spectrum | 17:11 |
| nmz787_i | since most raman interaction is quite weak, its not likely to shift the laser wavelength too much | 17:11 |
| nmz787_i | you can use any laser for input, I believe, but samples don't always respond the same to diff inputs | 17:11 |
| nmz787_i | and there are things like autofluorescense to deal with | 17:12 |
| fenn | i know all this | 17:12 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: yes photons can make it past the cell... close your eyes and blink a flashlight in front of your face ;) | 17:12 |
| kanzure | i corrected myself | 17:13 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: realizing what layer they interact with is a diff issue | 17:13 |
| kanzure | well we have lots of diff algorithms | 17:13 |
| fenn | what layer? | 17:13 |
| fenn | our eyes are made of cells | 17:14 |
| fenn | now i'm confused | 17:14 |
| nmz787_i | one way to get around/figure that out is SORS (spatially offset raman spectroscopy) | 17:15 |
| nmz787_i | which is like playing pool (billiards) with photons | 17:15 |
| fenn | please don't make analogies like that | 17:16 |
| nmz787_i | you input at an angle, and watch at the recipcrocal (the same angle relative to perpendicular) | 17:16 |
| nmz787_i | (reciprocal might be the wrong word) | 17:16 |
| fenn | so the idea is that only raman photons will be emitted from that angle? | 17:16 |
| nmz787_i | no, you'll get laser too | 17:16 |
| nmz787_i | but the idea is you control at what depth bounced photons came from | 17:17 |
| nmz787_i | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stfc.ac.uk%2Fclf%2Fresources%2FPDF%2Far06-07_s5_noninvasvedetection.pdf&ei=lV9pU_GvCYHpoATZxIGoAQ&usg=AFQjCNElkbyhR72QifBMBvRsDjBxFUH6WQ&sig2=-VmOf8WOjshNqEfghwZUUg&bvm=bv.66111022,d.cGU | 17:18 |
| nmz787_i | http://www.stfc.ac.uk/clf/resources/PDF/ar06-07_s5_noninvasvedetection.pdf | 17:18 |
| nmz787_i | sorry, copy paste crap removal not turned on here | 17:18 |
| nmz787_i | oh | 17:18 |
| nmz787_i | that paper sucks | 17:18 |
| nmz787_i | hold on | 17:19 |
| fenn | i am reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatially_Offset_Raman_Spectroscopy | 17:19 |
| nmz787_i | i just sent this out a few days ago | 17:19 |
| fenn | oh so you just use the reflected light from beneath the packaging surface | 17:20 |
| fenn | given a 2d spectrum of depth and IR emission, use some other value of depth | 17:20 |
| nmz787_i | http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac062223z | 17:21 |
| kanzure | .title | 17:21 |
| yoleaux | An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie | 17:21 |
| kanzure | nice | 17:21 |
| fenn | shouldn't paperbot get that | 17:21 |
| nmz787_i | i believe that paper is open | 17:21 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac062223z | 17:21 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1d602c89e3d710a5250cabd853dcdc29.pdf | 17:21 |
| kanzure | "open" or not, i don't trust publishers anymore. i just want the exact link to a working pdf, with nothing in between. | 17:22 |
| nmz787_i | so wxPython really sucks in terms of the pre-packaged widgets they offer | 17:23 |
| fenn | what are you using wxpython for? | 17:24 |
| nmz787_i | HTML/CSS/JS would be a lot faster to get functional things, though that cefpython lib was a bit too RAM heavy compared to wxpython (80MB vs like 28MB) | 17:24 |
| fenn | because chrome is a ram hog | 17:25 |
| fenn | i dont get why anyone would tether themselves to a specific rendering engine | 17:25 |
| kanzure | pyjamas-desktop can do mshtml/trident instead of webkit/blink | 17:25 |
| fenn | huh pyjamas isn't in ubuntu? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | kinda sorted abandoned/forgotten | 17:26 |
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| fenn | only 2 years ago | 17:27 |
| kanzure | the tides were turning earlier | 17:27 |
| kanzure | with the olpc stuff and sugar something | 17:27 |
| fenn | i dont know what that means | 17:27 |
| fenn | gtk now uses CSS so i guess it's using something like an html renderer | 17:28 |
| kanzure | one of the main reasons pyjamas was getting any attention was one laptop per child | 17:28 |
| fenn | There are now 2 forks of the Pyjamas Project. One maintained by the new pyjs team at pyjs.org And another maintained by Luke Leighton at pyj.be | 17:30 |
| kanzure | good ol' lkcl | 17:30 |
| kanzure | england's phantom steam engine | 17:30 |
| fenn | well anyway i think there's a difference between a GUI framework that renders to html/css/js and a general purpose python-to-js translator | 17:31 |
| eudoxia | so what happened to the css on diyhpl.us | 17:31 |
| kanzure | fuck css | 17:31 |
| kanzure | is what happened | 17:31 |
| eudoxia | :/ | 17:32 |
| nmz787_i | i tried using the pyjs.pyjamas but it was not very easy to get up and running out of the box | 17:32 |
| kanzure | why's that bad? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: there's also widget stuff though, see pyjamas-desktop (which is a bit different from pyjamas) | 17:32 |
| eudoxia | i just think it could look, you know, better | 17:32 |
| kanzure | c2.com still looks old school and fine | 17:32 |
| nmz787_i | but wxpython listctrl (a list of things) doesn't allow simple things like disabling a row... or in 'REPORT' mode, i.e. rows with columns... you can't address individual cells easily... or add arbitrary other widgets like buttons to a cell | 17:33 |
| fenn | wxpython was always terrible because wxwidgets was always terrible | 17:34 |
| fenn | the only thing it has going for it is "it also runs on windows!" | 17:35 |
| kanzure | well it's not like anyone should use qt | 17:35 |
| fenn | if interoperability is your goal then a web interface should be your priority | 17:35 |
| nmz787_i | get shit done is my (our) goal | 17:35 |
| fenn | then use a CLI | 17:36 |
| nmz787_i | that is not helpful in this case | 17:36 |
| fenn | then use a framebuffer :P | 17:36 |
| kanzure | get shit done only produces shit | 17:37 |
| fenn | but worse is better | 17:37 |
| nmz787_i | i'll prob end up extending their wxGrid widget, which is basically an excel-like table with cells | 17:37 |
| kanzure | "worse is better" is the reason why fenn is going to die young | 17:37 |
| fenn | it's true | 17:37 |
| nmz787_i | 'shit' here is a loose term, so 'shit' produced is fine | 17:37 |
| nmz787_i | "that's some gooood shit!" | 17:37 |
| fenn | that mindset is shit | 17:37 |
| kanzure | i doubt he has been exposed to the reasons why "worse is better" is worse | 17:38 |
| fenn | Error: double negative value limit exceeded | 17:38 |
| kanzure | i'm suggesting "worse is better" may be all he is aware of | 17:39 |
| kanzure | it's not like lots of people are arguing the opposite these days | 17:39 |
| * fenn hides under his lisp blankie | 17:39 | |
| fenn | make it go away! | 17:39 |
| kanzure | .g site:c2.com worse is better | 17:40 |
| yoleaux | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WorseIsBetter | 17:40 |
| nmz787_i | nah i just didn't have time to test qt too, and decided performance (RAM and load time) gains were better than bloated chrome | 17:40 |
| kanzure | first half of this page is crap | 17:40 |
| fenn | okay "YAGNI" is not "worse is better" | 17:41 |
| kanzure | second half too | 17:41 |
| eudoxia | "just live with shit because the alternative is building a Connection Machine and having no friends" | 17:41 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better | 17:41 |
| kanzure | "Gabriel later answered his earlier essay with one titled Worse Is Better Is Worse[3] under the pseudonym "Nickieben Bourbaki" (an allusion to Nicolas Bourbaki)." | 17:42 |
| fenn | go out for pizza or eat your sprouts alone | 17:42 |
| kanzure | http://dreamsongs.com/Files/worse-is-worse.pdf | 17:42 |
| fenn | i actually forgot the phrase originally came from the lisp/c fight | 17:43 |
| kanzure | sorta fitting, right? | 17:43 |
| nmz787_i | i guess worse is better in the sense of " Software that is limited, but simple to use" is true here | 17:43 |
| nmz787_i | except that the non-limited software also exists | 17:43 |
| nmz787_i | so it isn't really worse, its just another option if you're a dumber user... or if your job isn't being a wizard with that tool | 17:44 |
| fenn | "it's better to be simple than correct" is where the "worse" comes in | 17:45 |
| fenn | software should reject cases it is known not to work well on | 17:45 |
| kanzure | i often hear "worse is better" as an economic argument to justify writing piles of shit | 17:46 |
| fenn | yeah i tend to think of it as the ruby hacker mentality | 17:46 |
| fenn | or an explanation why people still use PHP | 17:46 |
| fenn | anyone still using C knows why they need it | 17:47 |
| fenn | " it complains about the lack of a journaling file system, and states that a graphical user interface would be an oxymoron for Unix, but these features are now standard. A large proportion of the complaints are about anomalies in the command line interface. It predates the rise of Linux, and thus concerns the several commercial versions of Unix then available" | 17:48 |
| kanzure | "anomalies in the command line interface" | 17:49 |
| fenn | something about how man pages are weird | 17:49 |
| fenn | "INFO OR DIE TRYING" | 17:50 |
| fenn | this is why there are still no man pages for some GNU tools? seriously? | 17:50 |
| eudoxia | i wonder why docs are split into man pages and that info thing i never use | 17:50 |
| kanzure | "The dichotomy that might exist is that of right-thing design | 17:51 |
| kanzure | versus no design. This is very different." | 17:51 |
| fenn | i like how "help" the bash builtin is totally useless for a newbie | 17:51 |
| fenn | "here are some advanced commands you will never use and their flags" | 17:51 |
| kanzure | "Lisp is used by weirdos who do weird science." | 17:53 |
| fenn | cd [-L|[-P [-e]]] [dir] | 17:53 |
| fenn | and no further explanation | 17:53 |
| eudoxia | well at least i do "science" | 17:53 |
| kanzure | "These arguments put the entire argument of worse is better into shadowy light. But the real quarrel with the paper I have is about what it teaches people. The paper states that a good strategy to adopt when trying to make things better is this: '... it is undesirable to go for the right thing first; better to get half of the right thing available so it spreads like a virus. once people are hooked, take the time to improve it to 90% of the ... | 17:55 |
| kanzure | ... right thing.' This adice is corrosive. It warps the minds of youth. It is never a good idea to intentionally aim for anything less than the best, though one might have to compromise in order to succeed." | 17:55 |
| kanzure | (and then the paper ends prematurely) | 17:55 |
| fenn | "release early, release often" is good and all, but far too often we never get to a finished product | 17:55 |
| fenn | how is that prematurely? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | rewrites in the future are extremely costly | 17:56 |
| kanzure | well, because it doesn't elaborate on anything | 17:56 |
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| kanzure | and ostensibly, those comments are the point of the paper | 17:56 |
| kanzure | so why would it just end right there | 17:57 |
| fenn | because he was done? | 17:57 |
| kanzure | i don't think that's enough to convince anyone | 17:58 |
| * fenn wonders if Hurd boots yet | 17:58 | |
| kanzure | "It is never a good idea [because I say so]" | 17:58 |
| eudoxia | i like that hurd is a server based thingee | 17:59 |
| eudoxia | it's nice for some reason | 17:59 |
| kanzure | whereas other non-programmer types can say, "Well, if we didn't release a pile of crap, we would have never made any money. Therefore, making terrible things is morally justifiable." | 17:59 |
| fenn | no comment | 18:00 |
| kanzure | am i getting it wrong? | 18:00 |
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| fenn | that's the "worse is better" argument in a nutshell | 18:00 |
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| kanzure | the problem with that argument is that it's extremely simple to formulate on your own | 18:01 |
| kanzure | so i think lots of people spontaneously think it up | 18:01 |
| kanzure | as a form of intuition or something | 18:01 |
| fenn | it's also lazy, unethical, and shits on your users | 18:01 |
| fenn | and generally makes the world a worse place | 18:01 |
| fenn | unfortunately this doesn't make it false | 18:02 |
| kanzure | well, the "we'll fix it later" thing is demonstrably false | 18:02 |
| fenn | interesting, gnu uses ikiwiki for their project pages | 18:03 |
| nmz787_i | s/morally/economically/ I think you mean kanzure | 18:05 |
| kanzure | hah i wish | 18:06 |
| fenn | the argument isn't usually about what is economically justifiable though | 18:06 |
| fenn | i mean, being a pirate and murdering children is economically justifiable | 18:06 |
| kanzure | there's good money in piracy | 18:07 |
| fenn | and ponzi schemes, and planned obsolescence, and putting melamine in your dog food | 18:07 |
| fenn | Host blubber.bddebian.com blubber | 18:08 |
| fenn | blubber clubber flubber gnubber goober grubber snubber | 18:09 |
| kanzure | alternate universe seven dwarves? | 18:09 |
| fenn | you will be expected to remember which host you are assigned. good luck! | 18:09 |
| fenn | so, "Hurd is a multiserver microkernel" and i guess this means something | 18:10 |
| fenn | Mach is particularly well suited for SMP and network cluster techniques. Thread support is provided at the kernel level, and the kernel itself takes advantage of that. Network transparency at the IPC level makes resources of the system available across machine boundaries | 18:11 |
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| fenn | hm. "We couldn't find any repositories matching 'lkcl'" | 18:29 |
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| fenn | http://repos.io/user/github/lkcl/ https://github.com/lkcl/ something doesn't sit right | 18:35 |
| fenn | his last repo was 2011? | 18:36 |
| fenn | i guess he has a real job, but it's weird to just delete your github account but leave the link prominently on your homepage | 18:41 |
| kanzure | he's had "real jobs" for quite a while now | 18:45 |
| FourFire | kanzure, as opposed to? | 18:48 |
| kanzure | he said it first | 18:49 |
| kanzure | ask him | 18:49 |
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| @heath | anyone making money from alt currencies yet? | 18:56 |
| @heath | making decent* money | 18:56 |
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| kanzure | sorta | 18:56 |
| fenn | FourFire: he's "Head of IT at Greater China of London" which implies a lot of guys in suits breathing down your neck 24/7 | 19:00 |
| FourFire | at least he doesn't need to exercise "synergy" | 19:01 |
| fenn | syzygy is the new xyzzy | 19:04 |
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| kanzure | heath: i wrote some software to mine in the first 2-5 minutes of each one's existence | 19:05 |
| kanzure | heath: by git cloning, running a build, and deploying to ec2 instances | 19:06 |
| @heath | i don't understand how you would have discovered a new currency within the first 2 minutes of its public existence :) | 19:09 |
| @heath | and wired your system to mine within those first two minutes | 19:09 |
| @heath | s/two/five | 19:09 |
| @heath | but that's a pretty sweet idea | 19:10 |
| kanzure | because i just have something monitoring bitcointalk.org | 19:10 |
| kanzure | they are all the same software, with very minor alterations | 19:10 |
| kanzure | build it once, and dump in the modified files, and you can build the new thing much faster | 19:11 |
| kanzure | it's all just a fork of bitcoin.git or litecoin.git etc | 19:11 |
| kanzure | it's really quite boring | 19:11 |
| eudoxia | that's just classic kanzure | 19:12 |
| kanzure | the problem is that the costs on ec2 are still going up because everyone points their miners at the new altcoins | 19:13 |
| kanzure | so it's not as cheap as it once was | 19:13 |
| kanzure | the more miners show up within the first few minutes, the more competing alternate blockchains exist for that currency | 19:13 |
| kanzure | plus, the more quickly the difficulty shoots up | 19:14 |
| kanzure | but at the same time, i can't exactly show up and crush the blockchain too quickly, because if i end up with 95% of the coins, then nobody is around to be using it | 19:14 |
| kanzure | it is a weird balance | 19:14 |
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| fenn | why alternate blockchain? just run the existing blockchain | 19:29 |
| fenn | i mean there's no reason to make a new blockchain except to try to double spend | 19:29 |
| eudoxia | i think he means the forks that happen | 19:30 |
| kanzure | when you have a bunch of miners trying to mine the same new altcoin, they don't all have the same blockchain | 19:31 |
| kanzure | so if some of the nodes create a cluster amongst each other, they might think they have the correct chain of blocks | 19:31 |
| kanzure | when in fact they do not | 19:31 |
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| fenn | because they aren't communicating with other nodes? shouldn't that get resolved eventually? (i guess it gets resolved by killing that chain) | 19:32 |
| kanzure | yes, eventually.. but during the first few minutes of existence, stuff like that is probelmatic and misleading to users. | 19:32 |
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| kanzure | *problematic | 19:32 |
| fenn | big bang theory stuff | 19:33 |
| fenn | yo dawg check out my superluminal miner | 19:33 |
| kanzure | did i miss something | 19:34 |
| fenn | no | 19:35 |
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| fenn | oh. a raman shift is just a redshift or a blueshift due to the vibration of the atom | 19:38 |
| fenn | why the hell didn't they just say that | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | ^ knowledge isn't evenly distributed | 19:45 |
| eudoxia | aliases are useful | 19:45 |
| eudoxia | like when you're talking to someone about something and they tell you what it's called and you're like "oh that's the term" | 19:46 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: no, it's just people fucking with other people, and not getting called out on it | 19:46 |
| eudoxia | "cool now i can type less" | 19:46 |
| fenn | ok but this is just too much: The Raman effect occurs when light impinges on a molecule and interacts with the electron cloud and the bonds of that molecule. For the spontaneous Raman effect, which is a form of light scattering, a photon excites the molecule from the ground state to a virtual energy state. When the molecule relaxes it emits a photon and it returns to a different rotational or | 19:47 |
| fenn | vibrational state. | 19:47 |
| fenn | he difference in energy between the original state and this new state leads to a shift in the emitted photon's frequency away from the excitation wavelength. The Raman effect, which is a light scattering phenomenon, should not be confused with absorption (as with fluorescence) where the molecule is excited to a discrete (not virtual) energy level. | 19:48 |
| fenn | maybe i am dumb but that is just hard to understand | 19:49 |
| fenn | "virtual energy state"?? | 19:49 |
| fenn | this is why we should never use "light is a particle" | 19:52 |
| fenn | then people say things like "inelastic scattering" | 19:52 |
| nsh_ | heh, just came up from a google search: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/security/Towards%20Provably%20Secure%20Software%20Attestation.pdf | 19:54 |
| nsh_ | via: http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?client=ubuntu-browser&espv=2&es_sm=94&um=1&ie=UTF-8&lr=&cites=10161375336835608577 | 19:54 |
| fenn | .title http://spie.org/x34680.xml | 19:57 |
| yoleaux | Mini-handheld Raman TRicorder-0TM at DSS: SPIE | 19:57 |
| fenn | it still seems really big and heavy to me | 19:57 |
| fenn | 110x190x54mm3, weighing a "mere" 2 lbs | 19:58 |
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| fenn | i think i'd want something that acted as a usb camera, probably in a "usb key" form factor so you can attach it to a phone with a OTG cable | 20:18 |
| fenn | i guess phones don't normally have usb host turned on? this makes me sad | 20:19 |
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| kanzure | metalbeard isn't going to be happy when he hears about this | 20:40 |
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| @ParahSailin | i just learned that i work for the people who make these https://us.vwr.com/store/catalog/product.jsp?catalog_number=80081-194 | 20:44 |
| kanzure | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131229133636/lego/images/thumb/2/21/70807-metalbeard-2.jpg/1000px-70807-metalbeard-2.jpg | 20:44 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: nice market focus | 20:44 |
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| @ParahSailin | its quite the revenue stream | 20:46 |
| kanzure | why? | 20:46 |
| fenn | MetalBeard and his pirate crew infiltrated the Octan Tower. His fellow crew members were taken prisoner for the Think Tank, but MetalBeard managed to survive and retreat, though at the cost of being "bricked" by Lord Business, despite coming up "with every conceivable plan imaginable". He soon leaves upon hearing the construction worker has no creative skill, saying he's "leaving on a lost cause." | 20:46 |
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| @ParahSailin | because every lab ive been in has these things | 20:46 |
| fenn | ParahSailin: are those just straws cut at an angle? | 20:48 |
| jrayhawk | http://rayhawk.livejournal.com/439433.html | 20:48 |
| @ParahSailin | fenn: no, its alien technology | 20:48 |
| kanzure | .title | 20:48 |
| yoleaux | rayhawk: The LEGO Movie | 20:48 |
| kanzure | oh is mike responsible? | 20:49 |
| kanzure | i should have expected a rayhawk conspiracy | 20:49 |
| jrayhawk | in some ways | 20:49 |
| jrayhawk | there are a lot of subtle references in place | 20:49 |
| kanzure | "But looking again, the really suspicious similarity is between the Von Bragstein Boiler-Mech and Metalbeard. That one's tougher to handwave away, but even there I can't really know whether it's meant as an homage or what." | 20:51 |
| kanzure | http://pics.livejournal.com/rayhawk/pic/000yfz6k/s640x480.jpg | 20:51 |
| fenn | hey big daddy | 20:52 |
| fenn | waargh | 20:52 |
| fenn | omg don't google that | 20:53 |
| gradstudentbot | So, there's this really good conference in Spain that I want to attend. | 20:54 |
| fenn | i meant http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/WAAAGH! | 20:55 |
| fenn | "a WAAAGH! is a cross between a holy crusade and a pub crawl, with a bit of genocide thrown in for good measure." | 20:58 |
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| kanzure | "This page needs content. You can help by adding a sentence or a photo" | 21:04 |
| kanzure | whoops | 21:05 |
| kanzure | metalbeard is a pretty good name | 21:05 |
| kanzure | even better than cyberbeard | 21:05 |
| fenn | metalbeard prime | 21:05 |
| kanzure | dread pirate metalbeard | 21:06 |
| kanzure | metalbeard.org is available | 21:07 |
| jrayhawk | Mike unwittingly concepted LEGO Universe, and the LEGO Movie poached a lot of folks from Universe when it shut down | 21:07 |
| fenn | that brikwars painting reminds me of http://onastick.net/sitz/images/ | 21:07 |
| fenn | and various other 40k crap | 21:08 |
| jrayhawk | http://mikerayhawk.com/lu_inspiration.htm | 21:08 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't know whether I am Turing dreaming that I am a machine, or a machine dreaming that I am Turing! | 21:10 |
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| fenn | http://media.desura.com/cache/images/groups/1/1/84/thumb_940x3000/1187025029_Suffer_Not_the_Furry_to_Live_Desu.jpg | 21:18 |
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| kanzure | isn't that supposed to be fury | 21:21 |
| jrayhawk | suffer not nick fury to live | 21:22 |
| fenn | what happened to the lego universe code? | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | got lost in an ironic cargo container when shipped to the united states | 21:37 |
| fenn | pecked to death by the giant rubber ducky? | 21:37 |
| kanzure | corporate giant rubber ducky | 21:37 |
| fenn | i mean, blender is pretty good, and basically the same thing happened right? | 21:38 |
| fenn | there's gotta be so much dead code lying around | 21:38 |
| gradstudentbot | Well, it looks better if you see it through a UV scope. | 21:38 |
| fenn | i still don't get that UV scope comment | 21:39 |
| kanzure | as opposed to not shooting ultraviolet at it | 21:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.microscopyu.com/articles/fluorescence/filtercubes/ultraviolet/uv2a/images/uv2aspecimensfigure2.jpg | 21:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.rsc.org/ej/PP/2008/b808776h/b808776h-f1.gif | 21:42 |
| fenn | well it looks better if you have hyperspectral vision | 21:42 |
| jrayhawk | \ | 21:42 |
| jrayhawk | fffff | 21:42 |
| kanzure | .title http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2008/pp/b808776h | 21:43 |
| yoleaux | In vivo nonlinear spectral imaging microscopy of visible and ultraviolet irradiated hairless mouse skin tissues | 21:43 |
| fenn | "purple" is not a scientific word | 21:43 |
| kanzure | purplexing | 21:43 |
| kanzure | ah shit | 21:43 |
| fenn | so, optical coherence tomography is pretty sweet | 21:44 |
| fenn | could you made a 3d model of someone's brain in IR? | 21:44 |
| fenn | at least the outer layers | 21:45 |
| fenn | hm only 1-2mm | 21:46 |
| fenn | seems like that would be wavelength-dependent | 21:47 |
| fenn | Researchers have used OCT to produce detailed images of mice brains, through a "window" made of zirconia that has been modified to be transparent and implanted in the skull. | 21:50 |
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| kanzure | i should get a window. | 21:50 |
| fenn | paperbot: http://www.nanomedjournal.com/article/S1549-9634(13)00361-4/abstract | 21:50 |
| fenn | .title | 21:50 |
| yoleaux | Elsevier | 21:50 |
| paperbot | TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 825, in text) | 21:50 |
| fenn | bah | 21:51 |
| kanzure | hahah | 21:51 |
| kanzure | so much fail | 21:51 |
| fenn | To use this website, your browser must accept cookies. | 21:51 |
| fenn | when did cookies become such a big deal | 21:51 |
| fenn | every fucking website feels the need to tell me about its cookies now | 21:51 |
| kanzure | when the uk made a law about this | 21:52 |
| kanzure | nsh_: i blame you | 21:52 |
| fenn | can't they look at my IP | 21:52 |
| nmz787_i | I feel like there's some rap song about a girl's 'cookies' | 21:52 |
| fenn | "graphical abstract" http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/images/journalimages/1549-9634/PIIS1549963413003614.fx1.lrg.jpg | 21:53 |
| fenn | i like the concept of a graphical abstract | 21:53 |
| fenn | if every paper were required to have a graphical abstract, every lab would have a resident graphic artist, and everyone would be better off | 21:54 |
| kanzure | just hire mike | 21:55 |
| kanzure | plus it will end up looking like lego so everyone wins | 21:55 |
| fenn | sure but 90% of science papers have awful diagrams | 21:55 |
| fenn | and there's a general lack of scientifically accurate art | 21:56 |
| kanzure | hm i see what you mean https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=943&q=scienc | 21:59 |
| gradstudentbot | Sigh, my invasive fruit flies won’t have sex for me. | 21:59 |
| nmz787_i | LOL | 21:59 |
| kanzure | http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/072/6/4/i_love_science_poster_by_paulsizer-d5xweux.jpg | 22:00 |
| kanzure | why is he red? | 22:01 |
| fenn | well at least an anatomically accurate DNA molecule got on the first page | 22:01 |
| fenn | there's so many shit DNA images out there | 22:01 |
| kanzure | and what the hell fetish is this (nsfw) https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/764/width668/aapone-20090623000188779203-britain-ent-art-science-von_hagens-bodyworld-original.jpg | 22:01 |
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| kanzure | this one is an image of some guy next to a racist robot http://wearscience.com/img300/robot.png | 22:02 |
| fenn | "why is he red" it's a communist propaganda thing | 22:03 |
| kanzure | and i hate all this crap http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HujPLsymse8/UCZpOEKKzdI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/Q5F6K4RPCtA/s1600/Scientists+Prove+DNA+Can+Be+Reprogrammed+by+Words+and+Frequencies.jpg | 22:03 |
| fenn | it's not a robot it's a waldo | 22:04 |
| kanzure | the problem is there's so much of it http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/consciousness.jpg http://huuhaablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/cosmic-consciousness.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img801/6778/o1kd.png http://www.learning-mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/pineal-gland-third-eye.jpg http://goldenalmachcreation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Planetary-peace-cosmic-consciousness-spiritual-science.jpg | 22:06 |
| kanzure | why do people keep coming up with this crap | 22:06 |
| fenn | what dna looks like on tv: http://watchdog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/11/shutterstock_61775431.jpg | 22:06 |
| kanzure | what it really looks like: http://rsbweb.nih.gov/ij/docs/examples/dna-contours/original.jpg | 22:07 |
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| fenn | i was trying to find something like this but with all the molecules filled out https://chemistry.osu.edu/~herbert/images/DNA_orbs.gif | 22:09 |
| nmz787_i | fenn can't you just use pymol? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | well, you can find the ribbon models | 22:10 |
| fenn | argh chrome you pig | 22:10 |
| kanzure | how about this one | 22:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.uam.es/gruposinv/cmpts03/images/web/siesta.jpg | 22:10 |
| kanzure | i forget the name of this visualization technique | 22:11 |
| kanzure | but it was mentioned in the logs about 3 years ago | 22:11 |
| nmz787_i | space-fill or electron-cloud or something? | 22:11 |
| kanzure | electronic potenital map | 22:11 |
| kanzure | electronic potential map | 22:11 |
| fenn | HOMO LUMO something something | 22:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.chem.umn.edu/netstep/2001/january/10york.jpg | 22:12 |
| fenn | yeah, that looks about right | 22:14 |
| fenn | i don't get why they always render isosurfaces instead of translucent voxels | 22:14 |
| nmz787_i | that seems interesting | 22:15 |
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| kanzure | fenn: like this? http://www.opendx.org/inaction/chemistry/images/original/sv5.jpg | 22:18 |
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| kanzure | but yes i think pymol does this type of visualization | 22:19 |
| kanzure | and presumably it's using opengl | 22:19 |
| kanzure | thereofre translucency should be not impossibly hard | 22:19 |
| fenn | i am attempting to use google image search in chrome with slow results | 22:20 |
| fenn | https://engineering.purdue.edu/gekcogrp/software-projects/nanoHUB/nanowire.php | 22:20 |
| fenn | animated gifs of translucent isosurfaces "Full 3D Volume Rendering of Electrostatic Potentials and Electron Densities" | 22:21 |
| fenn | even that still shows the isosurfaces... in reality there are no surfaces | 22:22 |
| fenn | in reality there are no surfaces | 22:22 |
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| fenn | Called EVolVis, for electronic volume visualizer, the software lets scientists see atomic and molecular structures and interactions in a way never before possible by computing and visualizing the mathematical properties of the electrical charge distributions of the structures. The software relies on volume-based rather than surface rendering techniques, which means that users can probe entire | 22:26 |
| fenn | molecules without obstruction by opaque surfaces and without having to preselect specific views or layers. The information attained from such a holistic perspective provides critical clues into molecular behavior, including why molecules take their distinctive shapes, how they orient themselves for chemical reactions, and even where new atoms may bind if a molecule is bent out of shape. | 22:26 |
| kanzure | "never before possible" fucking liars | 22:26 |
| fenn | http://www.cgw.com/images/Media/PublicationsArticle/ch3f.jpg | 22:26 |
| fenn | from http://www.cgw.com/Publications/CGW/2001/Volume-24-Issue-3-March-2001-/Atomic-Vision.aspx | 22:27 |
| fenn | .tell xentrac http://www.cgw.com/images/Media/PublicationsArticle/ch3f.jpg | 22:27 |
| yoleaux | fenn: I'll pass your message to xentrac. | 22:27 |
| kanzure | those seems to be the only few images available | 22:27 |
| fenn | A computer-generated image of methyl fluoride. The upper object (with the "halo") is a fluorine atom, which has nine electrons "orbiting" its nucleus when it is an isolated atom. When fluorine is bonded in a molecule, as it is here, the electron count varies. Unenlightened chemists argue quite a bit over how to count them. | 22:28 |
| fenn | kanzure: it may have never been possible before 2001 | 22:29 |
| fenn | at least not in real time | 22:29 |
| kanzure | i don't like how different fields of study remain hopelessly disconnected | 22:29 |
| fenn | i don't like how we are told lies repeatedly by supposed teachers | 22:30 |
| kanzure | have you tried murdering them? | 22:30 |
| fenn | no | 22:31 |
| nmz787_i | what?! | 22:32 |
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| fenn | i was talking about the S orbital and the P orbital and the "hybrid orbital" and so on | 22:34 |
| fenn | when really it looks like some glowing alien squid angel | 22:34 |
| nmz787_i | http://people.nas.nasa.gov/~chenze/preston/ | 22:35 |
| nmz787_i | 3 mpgs | 22:35 |
| fenn | 6MB cyanocobalamin http://www.mtsu.edu/honors/images/B12.mpg | 22:35 |
| nmz787_i | http://people.nas.nasa.gov/~chenze/home.html | 22:36 |
| nmz787_i | huh | 22:36 |
| nmz787_i | empty | 22:36 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, but his PI wrote his dissertation. | 22:36 |
| nmz787_i | http://www.mtsu.edu/honors/staff/macdougall.php | 22:36 |
| fenn | i don't really get the green flash stuff | 22:37 |
| nmz787_i | in b12.mpg? | 22:38 |
| fenn | uh, hold on | 22:38 |
| fenn | no, in pen1.mpg and pen2.mpg | 22:39 |
| nmz787_i | i have the wikipedia structure open while looping the mpg | 22:39 |
| nmz787_i | hmm | 22:40 |
| fenn | huh it's actually red | 22:40 |
| fenn | i thought they just colored the vitamin pills red to go with the cherry flavor | 22:40 |
| nmz787_i | huh, that R group is literally an electronic 'stub' | 22:42 |
| nmz787_i | R = isNotImplemented | 22:42 |
| fenn | http://www.nas.nasa.gov/hecc/assets/images/content/Chaderjian_RotorcraftWakes_large.jpg | 22:42 |
| fenn | topological knots | 22:43 |
| fenn | i mean, vortex knots | 22:43 |
| fenn | ugh i hate university biography pages | 22:48 |
| fenn | paperbot: http://search.proquest.com/docview/276096281 | 22:49 |
| kanzure | "Dr. Mumbleson has participated in 8,347 papers across 20,000 conferences that you've never heard of. He is currently unavailable because he is in space." | 22:49 |
| fenn | so there is no "EVolVis" anywhere that i can see | 22:53 |
| nmz787_i | nope | 22:53 |
| nmz787_i | nas.nasa doesn't list anything about molecules or atoms | 22:53 |
| fenn | how does something like that just up and disappear | 22:54 |
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| kanzure | same way the lab server disappeared | 22:54 |
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| gradstudentbot | It's contaminated. | 22:55 |
| nmz787_i | or it changed names without attribution | 22:55 |
| fenn | Written in C++ using OpenGL and XWindows, EVolVis can use either electron charge densities computed from wave functions or data obtained through X-ray crystallography to identify reactive sites in a molecule. | 22:56 |
| nmz787_i | http://fujioizumi.verse.jp/visualization/VENUS.html | 22:57 |
| nmz787_i | http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/ResDev/VolVis/MainPage.html | 22:57 |
| nmz787_i | paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1073204.1073219 | 22:59 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1145%2F1186822.1073219 | 22:59 |
| fenn | acm doesnt work | 23:00 |
| nmz787_i | he he | 23:00 |
| nmz787_i | i can see it | 23:00 |
| nmz787_i | it literally uses cartoons for examples | 23:01 |
| nmz787_i | there is goofy throwing a baseball | 23:01 |
| fenn | you don't get a 404? | 23:01 |
| nmz787_i | I guess its through work | 23:01 |
| kanzure | why are you still at work? | 23:02 |
| kanzure | and why does intel have a subscription to acm | 23:02 |
| kanzure | can you show me what the watermarks look like? | 23:02 |
| nmz787_i | heh | 23:02 |
| nmz787_i | umm | 23:02 |
| nmz787_i | can you tell me what you are looking for? | 23:03 |
| kanzure | just curious if the watermarks are the same as at universities | 23:03 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/Large_mesh_deformation_using_the_volumetric_graph_Laplacian.pdf | 23:03 |
| delinquentme | OHHH KAY. | 23:04 |
| delinquentme | Growth factors (Igf1, Igf2, Hgf, Fgf1, Tgfb1) in combination with cytokines (Il1, Il6, Tnf) coordinately promote cellular proliferation and the remodeling of the hepatic matrix composition which characterize the second stage of hepatic repair | 23:04 |
| delinquentme | brb | 23:05 |
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| fenn | makes sense that intel would subscribe to acm | 23:05 |
| kanzure | intel could just fucking buy acm | 23:05 |
| kanzure | fuck acm | 23:05 |
| nmz787_i | i'm at home | 23:05 |
| fenn | see my previous ranting about union of libraries | 23:06 |
| fenn | the source code is 35k? | 23:07 |
| fenn | oh. The classes and the example program rely on the Vrui VR development toolkit (not contained in the tarball) | 23:07 |
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| fenn | i'm continually amazed at how much high quality free software is not in debian | 23:20 |
| kanzure | .wik milnet | 23:20 |
| yoleaux | "In computer networking, MILNET (Military Network) was the name given to the part of the ARPANET internetwork designated for unclassified United States Department of Defense traffic." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milnet | 23:21 |
| nmz787_i | is the source avail? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | MILNET is a terrible name | 23:21 |
| kanzure | "During the 1980s the MILNET expanded to become the Defense Data Network, a worldwide set of military networks running at different security levels. In the 1990s, MILNET became the NIPRNET." | 23:21 |
| kanzure | "NIPRNET is the largest private network in the world.[citation needed] Over the last decades[when?] it has grown faster than the U.S. Department of Defense can monitor, which is why DoD spent $10 million in 2010 to map out the current state of the NIPRNET, in an effort to analyze its expansion, and identify unauthorized users, who are suspected to have quietly joined the network.[2] The NIPRNET survey, which uses IPSonar software developed by ... | 23:22 |
| kanzure | ... Lumeta Corporation, also looked for weakness in security caused by network configuration.[3] The Department of Defense has made a major effort over the last few years,[when?] to improve network security.[4] The Pentagon announced it was requesting $2.3 billion in the 2012 budget to bolster network security within the Defense Department and to strengthen ties with its counterparts at the Homeland Security Department." | 23:22 |
| kanzure | oh brother "IPsonar provides visibility into every IP asset, host, node, and connection on the network, performing an active probe and mapping everything that's on the network, (not just an IP range that is supplied for scanning) resulting in a comprehensive view of the entire routed infrastructure." | 23:23 |
| nmz787_i | isn't there some nix tool for that too? | 23:24 |
| nmz787_i | nmap or something | 23:24 |
| kanzure | uh, yeah | 23:25 |
| fenn | http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/ResDev/AMRVis/MouseLevel4.png http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/ResDev/AMRVis/MouseDetail.png MOUSE scan :P | 23:25 |
| kanzure | not bad | 23:26 |
| nmz787_i | http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/MacMolPlt/ | 23:27 |
| nmz787_i | http://www.cmbi.ru.nl/molden/molden.html | 23:28 |
| fenn | did linux even have 3d graphics drivers in 1998 | 23:28 |
| nmz787_i | huh, that mentions AMBER | 23:28 |
| nmz787_i | which I think that proteinShop program was using | 23:28 |
| nmz787_i | " It can write a variety of graphics instructions; postscript, XWindows, VRML, povray, OpenGL, tekronix4014, hpgl, hp2392 and Figure" | 23:29 |
| nmz787_i | hmm, all these links should be going into the wiki | 23:30 |
| nmz787_i | http://www.chemissian.com/ | 23:30 |
| kanzure | .title | 23:31 |
| yoleaux | Chemissian: software to analyze spectra, build density maps and molecular orbitals | 23:31 |
| fenn | they sure picked the worst screenshots for the top of the molden page | 23:32 |
| kanzure | typical vtk/mayavi stuff | 23:33 |
| fenn | a browser which supports client-side file upload (Netscape, version 2.0b2 and up) | 23:34 |
| fenn | nmz787_i: so pymol does electron density calculations? or it just displays them? | 23:35 |
| fenn | (either way it probably uses GAMESS) | 23:36 |
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| kanzure | abe? | 23:44 |
| dingo | lol @ tekronix4014 | 23:44 |
| dingo | this is a very impressive demo of a tektronix display, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-F7ZySfgZ0 | 23:45 |
| kanzure | .title | 23:45 |
| yoleaux | tek4006 | 23:45 |
| kanzure | neat | 23:46 |
| kanzure | 4m44s is what i want | 23:46 |
| dingo | yeah vector graphics, we sortof lost that at some point, dunno why it fell to the wayside | 23:47 |
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| dingo | i think the display can draw faster than this, too, i think this is just a network/serial limitation of some sort | 23:47 |
| kanzure | in my mind this is what my terminal looks like: http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Escape%20NY%20Map.JPG | 23:48 |
| kanzure | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Escape_From_New_York_Wireframe.jpg | 23:48 |
| fenn | long persistence phosphor display, i one painted a wall with glow in the dark paint and hacked up a UV laser scanner to do that: http://fennetic.net/portfolio/IMG_4883.JPG | 23:49 |
| dingo | aha yeah that looks pretty great | 23:50 |
| kanzure | how did you point the laser? | 23:50 |
| fenn | galvanometers driven from a 5 channel sound card | 23:50 |
| dingo | in my mind i remembered wargames a bit better than an ascii map, i guess it was ascii, darn, http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1383871!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/wargames28n-2-web.jpg | 23:51 |
| fenn | it was actually an RGB laser vector display but we were only using the blue laser (which had quite a bit of UV in it) | 23:51 |
| fenn | this thing was so cool http://fennetic.net/portfolio/IMG_4519.JPG | 23:52 |
| dingo | https://github.com/jvtm/wm3con <- better world map | 23:52 |
| kanzure | that's a lot of setup | 23:52 |
| kanzure | i keep forgetting the name of physics optics board stuff | 23:52 |
| kanzure | ikia science board pegs? | 23:53 |
| fenn | optical breadboard, the main supplier is thor labs | 23:53 |
| kanzure | blah | 23:53 |
| kanzure | let's get eric hunting on that | 23:53 |
| fenn | take me to your leader http://fennetic.net/fiat-lux/IMG_4559.JPG | 23:54 |
| kanzure | were all those lenses really necessary | 23:55 |
| fenn | eh? there's only one lens and one beam splitter per laser | 23:55 |
| dingo | re: milnet, i might implement "RFC 927, "TACACS User Identification Telnet Option", describes a method of identifying terminal clients by a 32-bit UUID, providing a form of 'rlogin'. This system, published in 1984, was designed for MILNET by BBN, and the actual TACACS implementation is undocumented, though partially re-imagined by Cisco in RFC 1492. Essentially, the user's credentials are forwarded to a TACACS daemon to verify that the client does in fact have | 23:56 |
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| dingo | this one is more interesting, RFC 933, "Output Marking Telnet Option", describes a method of sending banners", such as displayed on login, with an associated ID to be stored by the client. The server may then indicate at which time during the session the banner is relevant. This was implemented by Mitre for DOD installations that might, for example, display various levels of "TOP SECRET" messages each time a record is opened -- preferably on the top, bottom, l | 23:57 |
| fenn | it should overlay "TOP SECRET" in a red stamp-mark over the top of the entire screen, just to make sure | 23:59 |
| fenn | and blinking | 23:59 |
| fenn | better yet, just don't show anything except top secret | 23:59 |
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