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| Mokstar | http://www.google.com/patents/US6536440 | 00:22 |
| Mokstar | Method and system for generating sensory data onto the human neural cortex | 00:22 |
| Mokstar | ever seen it before? | 00:22 |
| Mokstar | wow, | 00:25 |
| Mokstar | Sony has some related patents | 00:25 |
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| Mokstar | oh, that one is also sony's | 00:25 |
| FourFire | Mokstar, have you heard of TCS ? | 00:26 |
| Mokstar | what's the acronym mean? | 00:27 |
| FourFire | Transcranial Stimulation | 00:27 |
| Mokstar | yes | 00:28 |
| Mokstar | tdcs, trns | 00:28 |
| Mokstar | etc | 00:28 |
| FourFire | well apparently there's also a thing you can do with LEDs | 00:28 |
| FourFire | the human skull is semipermeable to light, and the brain responds to it too | 00:29 |
| gradstudentbot | It's not really significant, but there's definitely a trend. | 00:29 |
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| AshleyWaffle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9xiUiJQWA | 01:44 |
| AshleyWaffle | i was the person playing minecrap | 01:44 |
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| gradstudentbot | I am busy researching. | 01:45 |
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| jrayhawk_ | is there a link to this gay baby thing? because i really highly doubt the premise | 02:11 |
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| jrayhawk_ | like the idea that a male X chromosome will work equivalently to a female X chromosome is laughable | 02:13 |
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| jrayhawk_ | That said, such an experiment would probably make for new and exciting genetic disorders. | 02:17 |
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| kanzure | http://www.jcvi.org/cms/research/projects/synthetic-biology-and-the-us-biotechnology-regulatory-system/overview/ | 11:22 |
| kanzure | ughhhhhh | 11:22 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Seed_Factories | 11:52 |
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| FourFire | is it any more complete than last time I checked? | 11:55 |
| @fenn | "It is being written as part of a project to build the first working Seed Factory prototypes." written by whom? and what/where are the seed factory prototypes? | 11:55 |
| kanzure | they are probably lying | 11:56 |
| FourFire | looks pretty similar | 11:56 |
| FourFire | this is the sort of tech I expect to see somewhere in the 2040-2060s | 11:57 |
| @fenn | oh please shut up | 11:57 |
| FourFire | fenn, well if you have a more accurate estimate, please let me know what's lead you to it | 11:57 |
| @fenn | go do something useful instead of prognosticating | 11:57 |
| @fenn | like building a seed factory for example | 11:58 |
| FourFire | ): I'm afraid I'm not very useful atm | 11:58 |
| @fenn | "The original author is Dani Eder, 1309 Stroud Ave, Gadsden, AL" | 11:58 |
| @fenn | dani eder, wow | 11:58 |
| @fenn | http://yarchive.net/space/ he made various posts here | 11:59 |
| @fenn | i wonder if his house is underground | 12:01 |
| @fenn | https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1309+Stroud+Ave,+Gadsden,+AL&hl=en&ll=33.996684,-85.979508&spn=0.004038,0.006899&sll=33.997217,-85.980150&layer=c&cbp=13,237.8,,0,0&cbll=33.997359,-85.979878&hnear=1309+Stroud+Ave,+Gadsden,+Alabama+35903&t=h&z=17&panoid=bH-sBNhuXfCDWRvcDKH3Zg | 12:02 |
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| seba- | https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/A_world_wide_ban_on_illegal_Chemtrail_spraying/?fbss | 12:24 |
| heath | i guess it's official, i'm looking for python work | 12:34 |
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| kanzure | heath: state your requirements | 12:39 |
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| heath | I don't really have anything in mind right now | 12:41 |
| kanzure | heath: i might have some things to pay you to do | 12:43 |
| heath | kanzure: cool, if you want to give me details via email, that'd be nice | 12:48 |
| @fenn | i wonder how many schizophrenics who claim to be targeted by microwave beams actually set up a microwave receiver to record the beams | 12:52 |
| kanzure | don't enable them :P | 12:52 |
| kanzure | wait, i mean do | 12:52 |
| @fenn | i guess they'd just skip to neutrinos or quantum entanglement or something unmeasurable | 12:53 |
| @fenn | "they've rewired my brain circuits so it talks to itself!" | 12:54 |
| @fenn | "you bastards!" | 12:54 |
| kanzure | 12:54 <+joepie91__> so if you throw WARCs into archive.org (and tell jason scott about them) they'll eventually end up in wayback machine | 12:54 |
| @fenn | what is a WARC | 12:54 |
| kanzure | it's whatever wget --warc-file does | 12:55 |
| kanzure | 12:52 <+joepie91__> kanzure: retains request/response headers and others assorted metadata | 12:55 |
| @fenn | "The WARC (Web ARChive) format specifies a method for combining multiple digital resources into an aggregate archival file together with related information. The WARC format is a revision of the Internet Archive's ARC File Format [ARC_IA] format that has traditionally been used to store "web crawls" as sequences of content blocks harvested from the World Wide Web. The WARC format generalizes the | 12:56 |
| @fenn | older format to better support the harvesting, access, and exchange needs of archiving organizations." | 12:56 |
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| gradstudentbot | Does this look contaminated to you? | 12:58 |
| @fenn | "Use file as the destination WARC file." that's real helpful | 12:58 |
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| @fenn | welp i dont have any WARC files | 12:59 |
| kanzure | also there is http://web.archive.org/save | 13:00 |
| kanzure | which is neat | 13:00 |
| @fenn | is that just like wget -p | 13:00 |
| kanzure | their /save endpoint dumps a page from the interwebs into their archive | 13:01 |
| @fenn | i often find myself wanting to archive an entire directory | 13:01 |
| @fenn | not just a single page | 13:02 |
| dpk | use -r | 13:02 |
| kanzure | hooray | 13:02 |
| @fenn | i know how to use wget | 13:02 |
| kanzure | how do i pass -r to the internet archive | 13:02 |
| dpk | good question! not sure, don't think it's possible at present | 13:02 |
| @fenn | does WARC store more than one page? | 13:03 |
| dpk | these are questions for someone who is not me | 13:03 |
| @fenn | who are you? | 13:04 |
| @fenn | i mean your nick looks familiar but i have no idea | 13:04 |
| dpk | someone who doesn't know the answers to your questions | 13:04 |
| @fenn | were you in ##microcontrollers a long time ago? | 13:04 |
| dpk | nope | 13:04 |
| dpk | i'm David P. Kendal | 13:04 |
| dpk | you might know me from #swhack, but your nick doesn't look familiar from there | 13:05 |
| @fenn | aha, yes, i use your bot often enough | 13:07 |
| dpk | ah, right, of course | 13:09 |
| @fenn | how is .tr supposed to work? | 13:11 |
| dpk | it's broken right now, if you've been trying to use it | 13:14 |
| dpk | because Google changed something about the 'API'. again | 13:14 |
| dpk | need to get round to fixing it | 13:14 |
| @fenn | google doesn't believe in APIs | 13:14 |
| dpk | right, so the 'api' is scraping the JSON that translate.google.com uses when you have instant translation on | 13:15 |
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| * joepie91__ waves | 13:23 | |
| @fenn | hello entity | 13:23 |
| joepie91__ | pft | 13:26 |
| joepie91__ | I'm an object, not an entity | 13:26 |
| kanzure | you are a pdf | 13:26 |
| @fenn | geoiplookup indicates your location is in the netherlands, however i suspect you are using a VPN | 13:26 |
| @fenn | is your age 23 or are you just fascinated with numerology? | 13:27 |
| kanzure | agist | 13:27 |
| @fenn | .wik agistics | 13:27 |
| yoleaux | fenn: Sorry, I couldn't find article. | 13:27 |
| joepie91__ | fenn: actually in the Netherlands :) | 13:28 |
| joepie91__ | 100/100 FttH, no less | 13:28 |
| joepie91__ | and I'm 22, so not too far off | 13:28 |
| @fenn | huh, so you live in a farm house? | 13:29 |
| @fenn | or are you a tractor | 13:29 |
| joepie91__ | nah, this house has been upgraded to shitty duplex-ish house | 13:29 |
| joepie91__ | not a tractor, definitely not a tractor | 13:29 |
| @fenn | http://goo.gl/maps/Lmi5W so the dutch still use windmills | 13:30 |
| @fenn | you could probably suck more power off that power line by putting up an antenna instead of a windmill | 13:30 |
| joepie91__ | heh | 13:31 |
| * joepie91__ gently nudges kanzure into the general direction of his PM tab | 13:31 | |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d6ea05a2 Bryan Bishop: reasons hplusroadmap has been banned by the FDA >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ | 13:32 |
| @fenn | .d agistment | 13:32 |
| yoleaux | agist¹ (/əˈdʒɪst/): v. Take in and feed (livestock) for payment: the dairy farmer might wish to ⁓ lambs after the cows are housed for the winter — http://is.gd/yZLG7G | 13:32 |
| kanzure | i can't even remember all the terrible ways the fda has banned this channel | 13:33 |
| gradstudentbot | Oh great, my paper got accepted with no revisions. Nice. | 13:33 |
| @fenn | "oral inhalation" is overspecified | 13:33 |
| kanzure | heh | 13:34 |
| @fenn | perhaps we should list the ways we are not banned | 13:34 |
| kanzure | that is an empty list | 13:34 |
| kanzure | ooh prosthetics | 13:34 |
| kanzure | yeah those are also banned aren't they | 13:34 |
| kanzure | can't let the cripples fucking help themselves, wouldn't want that | 13:34 |
| kanzure | s/banned/subject to intense regulatory bullshit that basically looks like banning in most cases/ | 13:35 |
| @fenn | "Ø is the loneliest number" just doesn't have the same ring to it | 13:36 |
| kanzure | i think both manufacture of and consumption of drugs are separately regulated by the fda | 13:37 |
| kanzure | so you have to get your production equipment approved too, or something | 13:37 |
| @fenn | consumption isn't regulated, only sale | 13:37 |
| @fenn | or perhaps "distribution" | 13:37 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=601c042d Bryan Bishop: lose some constraints in the fda article >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ | 13:38 |
| @fenn | so in the parallel universe that i'm from, "agistics" is a word having something to do with communism/communalism | 13:39 |
| @fenn | there is also "agalmics" | 13:40 |
| kanzure | oh yeah, your exoskeleton link from a few weeks ago | 13:41 |
| @fenn | aroo | 13:41 |
| kanzure | http://tdn.com/business/fda-approves-stair-climbing-wheelchair/article_eeff7d73-75f0-5122-a79f-e520fb591118.html | 13:42 |
| kanzure | "The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday approved a wheelchair that literally can go up and down steps" | 13:42 |
| kanzure | i hate this world | 13:42 |
| @fenn | BANNED | 13:42 |
| @fenn | where is banbot | 13:43 |
| @fenn | i am too lazy to keep score | 13:43 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/FDADebarmentList/ucm2005408.htm | 13:46 |
| yoleaux | FDA Debarment List (Drug Product Applications) | 13:46 |
| kanzure | "The following is a public list of firms or persons debarred pursuant to sections 306(a), (b)(1) and (b)(2) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 335(a), (b)(1), and (b)(2)) as published in the FEDERAL REGISTER (FR)." | 13:46 |
| @fenn | .d debar | 13:46 |
| yoleaux | debar (/dɪˈbɑː/): v. (debars, debarring, debarred) Exclude or prohibit (someone) officially from doing something: first-round candidates were ⁓red from standing — http://is.gd/4erowm | 13:46 |
| @fenn | DEBARRED | 13:47 |
| kanzure | it doesn't look like there's any actual list | 13:47 |
| archels | kanzure: are you actually going to build these unapproved sound-emitting devices then? | 13:47 |
| kanzure | of course i am | 13:47 |
| archels | aa in, 'it's on the project list' or you have shipments underway | 13:48 |
| @fenn | extremely high fidelity sound systems | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i don't have shipments at the moment | 13:48 |
| @fenn | this is definitely in the theory phase | 13:48 |
| kanzure | but if i did, i would probably ship them to fenn because i am passive aggressive like that | 13:49 |
| archels | haha | 13:49 |
| archels | it would probably be a viable strategy | 13:49 |
| @fenn | "what's this milling machine doing in the driveway?" | 13:49 |
| @fenn | "did anyone order a zeppelin?" | 13:50 |
| kanzure | it's interesting that the fda does not maintain an official list | 13:50 |
| kanzure | it's all through random announcements | 13:50 |
| kanzure | "we couldn't get the cnc machine off of the truck bed, so we just left the truck in your driveway, have fun" | 13:51 |
| kanzure | "Section 520(f) of the Amendments authorizes the FDA to promulgate regulations requiring the methods used in, and the facilities and controls used for, the manufacturing, packing, storage, and installation of a device to conform to current good manufacturing practices (GMPs)." | 13:52 |
| kanzure | "The FDA can order repair, replacement or refund (3-R) if, after opportunity for an informal hearing , it determines that: ... The device was not designed and manufactured in accordance with the then prevailing state of the art" | 13:53 |
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| kanzure | "An especially absurd example of device delay occurred to the Sensor Pad. The Sensor Pad is so simple it hardly justifies the term device: it is two sheets of sealed plastic that sandwich a silicon lubricant. With the Sensor Pad, a woman can more easily detect unusual breast lumps in a self-examination. Although the product is simple, it is quite useful and can save lives through early detection of breast cancer. The Sensor Pad was invented ... | 13:56 |
| kanzure | ... in 1986 by Earl Wright of Inventive Products and was submitted to the FDA for approval. The FDA, however, could find no other substantially equivalent product on the market and thus automatically classified the Sensor Pad as a high-risk, Class III device. Before being allowed to sell the Sensor Pad, Inventive Products had to submit a premarket approval application to the FDA. Inventive Products submitted hundreds of pages documenting the ... | 13:56 |
| kanzure | ... safety and effectiveness of the Sensor Pad (both of which were evident to anyone who used the product for sixty seconds), yet years went by, and still the FDA wanted more documents. As it turned out, the FDA decided that in order for the device to be approved, Inventive Products needed to show not simply that the Sensor Pad helped women to detect breast lumps but that it reduced the mortality of breast cancer. Proof of this kind would ... | 13:56 |
| kanzure | ... require extensive clinical trials involving thousands of women tracked over many years—all this in order to get permission to sell a device substantially less complicated and less dangerous than a toaster oven. Canada, western Europe, Japan, and other countries quickly approved the Sensor Pad. In Canada, a country that is hardly known as the Wild West of medical devices, the Sensor Pad was approved in thirty days with approximately half ... | 13:56 |
| kanzure | ... a dozen pages of documentation. Frustrated at the delay, Inventive Products defied the FDA and in 1988 began selling the Sensor Pad to hospitals. Hospitals bought several hundred thousand Sensor Pads and gave them to women, some of whom would later testify in Congress that the product had saved their lives. Doctors too began to use the device and reported positive results. In 1989, however, the FDA raided Inventive Products and a number ... | 13:56 |
| kanzure | ... of hospitals (!) and “on behalf of American women” confiscated the Sensor Pads. Several lawsuits and several years later the product was still not available in the United States." | 13:56 |
| kanzure | from http://www.fdareview.org/devices.shtml | 13:56 |
| kanzure | "The next year, Congress held hearings at which a number of women and doctors testified in favor of the Sensor Pad. Finally, after nearly ten years of delay and several million dollars in legal and other costs, the Sensor Pad was approved in December 1995. But the mandarins at the FDA had the last word: they decreed that the Sensor Pad was to be used only with a doctor’s prescription!" | 13:56 |
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| kanzure | "According to the FDA, software is a medical device and is regulated accordingly. Because medical software is often new, it can, like the Sensor Pad, be classified as a high-risk Class III device even if it is not involved in high-risk procedures." | 13:57 |
| kanzure | "The FDA has always been uncomfortable with off-label use, however, and has tried to suppress such use whenever possible. With the growing use of software as a component in devices and drug delivery systems, the FDA believes it has found a way to limit off-label uses. Essentially, it is demanding that the software in any device be written so that the device can be operated only for FDA-approved uses. Excimer lasers, for example, have many ... | 13:59 |
| kanzure | ... different uses in eye surgery, but when the FDA approved excimer lasers, they physically and legally tied use of the laser to software that was limited to FDA-approved procedures." | 13:59 |
| kanzure | how are websites not classified as medical device software? | 14:03 |
| FourFire | kanzure, that retarded giant of a system really doesn't love you, does it? | 14:04 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=46c5e573 Bryan Bishop: some fda hilarity >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ | 14:04 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d5889fc1 Bryan Bishop: oops, don't use pre >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ | 14:06 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a6f9757f Bryan Bishop: and rename the section >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ | 14:06 |
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| -!- kanzure changed the topic of ##hplusroadmap to: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA, banned by the Federal Death Administration (4 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | a high-risk Class III device | 14:10 | |
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| dpk | [off] test | 14:15 |
| dpk | # test | 14:15 |
| dpk | no off-log prefix here? | 14:15 |
| kanzure | nope | 14:16 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, I'm a 4th year. No wait, I'm a 6th year. | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | gradstudentbot, get your facts right! | 14:16 |
| gradstudentbot | Sure, I'd love to switch into colorectal. | 14:16 |
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| kanzure | facts are only an inconvenience in his job | 14:49 |
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| chris_99 | heh | 14:50 |
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| kanzure | hello eudoxia | 15:38 |
| eudoxia | hello kanzure | 15:38 |
| eudoxia | is skdb a medical device if someone uses it to print themselves a new kidney? | 15:39 |
| kanzure | an email is a medical device because it communicates medical information **through software**~~ | 15:39 |
| eudoxia | wow what if a non-doctor gives medical advice over IRC | 15:40 |
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| justanotheruser | eudoxia: then they are in gross violation of the FDAs policy and freenode must report them | 15:51 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/EnforcementActivitiesbyFDA/CyberLetters/default.htm | 15:53 |
| yoleaux | Cyber Letters | 15:53 |
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| kanzure | oh geeze http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/warningletters/wlFilterBySubject.cfm | 15:57 |
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| eudoxia | >Devices/Laser Eye | 15:59 |
| nmz787_i | jrayhawk_: linkrot here http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-theme/32x32/animations/process-working.png | 15:59 |
| kanzure | here's a letter about unlicensed fetal imaging http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/1999/UCM067594.pdf | 16:00 |
| nmz787_i | at least they gave a phone number | 16:03 |
| nmz787_i | "Division of Small Manufacturers Assistance" | 16:03 |
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| kanzure | so weird that the fda has armed agents | 16:16 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=006ef764 Bryan Bishop: also dna sequencing >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ | 16:19 |
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| kanzure | "institute for human gene therapy" http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2000/UCM068181.pdf | 16:31 |
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| seba- | ok | 16:52 |
| seba- | i've made an incubator | 16:52 |
| seba- | yay | 16:52 |
| nmz787_i | cool! | 16:54 |
| nmz787_i | what kind? | 16:54 |
| nmz787_i | PID control? | 16:54 |
| seba- | it's not so good i think, the one i've had in a flower pot was much better, but looked like crap | 16:54 |
| seba- | the flower pot incubator had PID control yes | 16:55 |
| seba- | the temperature varied within 0.2 C | 16:55 |
| seba- | this one has like +- 6 C, but ok it's mechanical (for testing), but it's just crap | 16:55 |
| seba- | i've bought a chinese oven | 16:55 |
| seba- | it's just shit | 16:55 |
| seba- | the oven is shit | 16:55 |
| seba- | lol | 16:55 |
| seba- | it has no insulation no thermal mass | 16:56 |
| seba- | but it looks nice thou | 16:56 |
| seba- | i've added now a glass of water | 16:56 |
| seba- | maybe if it's not empty it works kind of ok | 16:56 |
| seba- | +- 3 C sorry, 6 C in total | 16:57 |
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| seba- | nmz787, http://seba.eu.org/public/2014-05-29%2002.01.00.jpg | 17:08 |
| seba- | there. | 17:09 |
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| kanzure | "but it looks nice" | 17:37 |
| kanzure | famous last words | 17:37 |
| seba- | lol | 17:37 |
| seba- | well it really does look nice | 17:37 |
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| delinquentme | So if I wanted to work on making younger multipotent stem cells of myself ... where would I start | 18:58 |
| delinquentme | ? | 18:58 |
| seba- | why | 19:01 |
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| delinquentme | seba-, to stop aging ... or at least recruit more of them for repair when I get injured ! | 19:07 |
| seba- | which part of aging | 19:07 |
| jrayhawk_ | haha that chemtrail thing "contains plasma" | 19:08 |
| jrayhawk_ | "radioactive material" | 19:08 |
| jrayhawk_ | "bacteria" | 19:08 |
| jrayhawk_ | NANOPARTICLES | 19:08 |
| seba- | hm | 19:09 |
| jrayhawk_ | nmz787: the "from" is really more useful than the "to" | 19:09 |
| jrayhawk_ | are you doing OSTC work now? | 19:10 |
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| delinquentme | What was the algo / bioinformatics software which did a stellar job of guessing organism age based off a very few methylation sites? | 19:17 |
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| kanzure | bitcoin sprayer thing for your amusement: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/9ad6a265aac887fa26c1 | 21:31 |
| kanzure | ooh "spaminator" damn i should have named it spaminator | 21:37 |
| gradstudentbot | The results of my study indicate that the climate is about to get really weird. | 21:37 |
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| entelechy | kanzure genius | 22:09 |
| kanzure | sarcasm? | 22:12 |
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| entelechy | i'm not someone to take seriously on irc usually but | 22:23 |
| entelechy | anything to move things away from centralization of the systems | 22:23 |
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