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| kanzure | well that's boring | 03:20 |
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| kanzure | strange what sorts of old stuff dreams can dig up, "the lazy man's parallel processor" http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/yyh/yyhnight.htm | 03:29 |
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| kanzure | http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2014/05/29/how_to_buy_buy_buy.php | 03:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.thestreet.com/story/12725934/1/the-seven-deadly-sins-of-biotech-investing.html | 03:44 |
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| kanzure | "Also, selling a biotech stock shows disrespect to all those patients with terminal illnesses who will otherwise be cured." | 03:46 |
| kanzure | "Изображения и тексты патентов получены из факсимильных файлов базы" http://fips.ru/ which is of course dead.... | 03:51 |
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| kanzure | ah but this exists http://www1.fips.ru/wps/wcm/connect/content_ru/ru/brands_and_points | 03:53 |
| kanzure | http://www1.fips.ru/Electronic_bulletin/Inventions_and_utility_models/01_14/Index_ru.htm | 03:57 |
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| jrayhawk_ | i assume you remember thestreet being one of the organs of the naked short conspiracy | 04:13 |
| kanzure | it is obviously satire? | 04:17 |
| kanzure | "Like all good satire, there's an element of truth here" oh now i'm not sure | 04:18 |
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| kanzure | huh good recall on that | 04:19 |
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| jrayhawk_ | actually it's probably the primary organ | 04:20 |
| jrayhawk_ | in terms of propaganda, that is | 04:20 |
| gradstudentbot | That's the control group, right? | 04:20 |
| kanzure | so what does it mean when the evil tentacle of the dark lords happens to publish satire | 04:21 |
| jrayhawk_ | i only read the first two paragraphs, which were hitpieces | 04:22 |
| jrayhawk_ | no idea if they were legitimate or illegitimate hitpieces | 04:22 |
| kanzure | the rest of it was satirizing some funny behaviors of people who buy "biotech stocks" | 04:23 |
| kanzure | erm, buy/sell/gamble | 04:23 |
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| kanzure | i admire your ability to read things in the order in which they are presented to you | 04:24 |
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| jrayhawk_ | linking to TheStreet without that context is sortof like telling someone to go listen to a demon | 04:29 |
| jrayhawk_ | no matter how profound the truths, they cannot be distinguished from the lies | 04:29 |
| kanzure | it's possible that the inthepipeline person doesn't know | 04:30 |
| kanzure | i certainly didn't remember | 04:30 |
| kanzure | and i'm not sure how you did | 04:30 |
| kanzure | wasn't there like 2,000 fists of the demon listed | 04:30 |
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| mosasaur | How about piggybacking on stories like the enhanced measles virus curing cancer? | 04:35 |
| nshlike | i wish i could make it hurt to use the words "cure" and "cancer" in a sentence | 04:36 |
| nshlike | like testicular torsion levels of pain | 04:36 |
| jrayhawk_ | are "prevent" and "cancer" allowed | 04:36 |
| nshlike | if qualified | 04:37 |
| nshlike | you can't prevent all cancers everywhere | 04:37 |
| nshlike | except by death | 04:37 |
| jrayhawk_ | death didn't stop henrietta laks | 04:37 |
| nshlike | cancer is what happens to cells that don't die | 04:37 |
| nshlike | there's not really a third option... | 04:37 |
| jrayhawk_ | s/laks/lacks/ | 04:37 |
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| mosasaur | It seems it's not gotten any more friendly here. | 04:44 |
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| nshlike | we forgot to optimize the strong-AI for hugz | 04:51 |
| chris_99 | Daeken, if you're about, have you ever RE'd a bluetooth device per chance? | 04:52 |
| nshlike | :(( | 04:52 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/v8/n6/full/nphoton.2014.107.html | 07:21 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnphoton.2014.107 | 07:21 |
| @fenn | we are now in command. all your spacecrafts belong to us. | 07:23 |
| chris_99 | nmz787, is this http://hackaday.io/project/1279-DIY-3D-Printable-RaspberryPi-Raman-Spectrometer yours | 07:24 |
| @fenn | 150mW focused to a tiny point could do some serious damage | 07:28 |
| chris_99 | mm i imagine it could | 07:29 |
| @fenn | i wonder if you can buy just the laser diode and not their crappy aluminum enclosure/optics | 07:30 |
| chris_99 | dunno, wouldnt you need to focus it still | 07:30 |
| @fenn | yes | 07:30 |
| @fenn | i've found that the side emitting diodes have a lot of astigmatism which basically makes the standard spherical optics useless | 07:31 |
| @fenn | astigmatism is the wrong word.. the beam is diffracted by the close spacing of the top and bottom of the diode sandwich, which widens the beam more in one dimension than the other | 07:32 |
| @fenn | but if you add some anamorphic prisms before the spherical collimating lens, you can at least get a square beam profile | 07:32 |
| @fenn | this is interesting http://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-1W-Laser-Module-Combined-Laser-beam-532nm-638nm-450nm-Special-Offer-/261234540301 | 07:34 |
| chris_99 | ooooh | 07:34 |
| chris_99 | could one make a laser projector from that i wonder | 07:35 |
| @fenn | with those combiner optics you can get any color beam you want | 07:35 |
| @fenn | yeah we made one.. one thing to worry about is the individual laser turn on/off time, which is different for each laser | 07:35 |
| chris_99 | oh | 07:36 |
| chris_99 | are they pulsed | 07:36 |
| chris_99 | ah 30kHZ | 07:36 |
| @fenn | this is the software we adapted to control the rgb laser projector https://github.com/broxtronix/Fiat-Lux | 07:37 |
| chris_99 | did you use a mirror galvanometer? | 07:38 |
| @fenn | yeah | 07:38 |
| chris_99 | any photos of how it looked? | 07:38 |
| @fenn | i wish we had more documentation of the actual build; diagrams and whatnot | 07:38 |
| @fenn | all i have is http://fennetic.net/fiat-lux/ | 07:39 |
| @fenn | there's some youtube stuff too | 07:40 |
| chris_99 | heh that's cool | 07:40 |
| chris_99 | just looked at the lena raster | 07:41 |
| @fenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVTlrpmaG0g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNG-aXWBa8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jTt3WkfM9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9JfI3rtwgs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZdXhKXFT18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oojv3z0Ugng http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKWM4kn34ys | 07:42 |
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| chris_99 | do you still have it? | 07:45 |
| @fenn | man the video compression really kills the detail in the fog swirls | 07:45 |
| chris_99 | looks really fun to play with | 07:45 |
| @fenn | broxton has it | 07:46 |
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| @fenn | there are more demos.. one does robot arm kinematics for a "dancing worm" effect, a snake that chases a fly, and realtime edge detection on video input | 07:54 |
| @fenn | i wanted to port "torus trooper" the video game but ran out of time | 07:55 |
| sheena | anyone here unerstand how to use a drug's half life to determine how long it would take to be completely eliminated from the body? | 08:13 |
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| @fenn | sheena: it's never "completely" eliminated | 08:27 |
| sheena | ok | 08:29 |
| sheena | my doctor says "stop taking X drug 14 days before this test" | 08:29 |
| sheena | but he says this for all drugs | 08:29 |
| sheena | and they're clearly not all going to be eliminated in the same way in 14 days? | 08:29 |
| sheena | some will be eliminated faster, yes? | 08:29 |
| @fenn | yes | 08:29 |
| @fenn | the ones with the shorter half lives | 08:29 |
| sheena | right | 08:32 |
| sheena | so how would i determine whether a drug with a half life of 13 hours would be "sufficiently eliminated" in ....some number of days <14 ? | 08:33 |
| @fenn | in this graph the half life is x where the curve crosses y=0.5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_decay | 08:33 |
| @fenn | you have to define "sufficiently" as a number N, then N = initial_concentration*2^(-t/half_life) | 08:36 |
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| @fenn | t = -half_life*log(N/initial)/log(2) | 08:37 |
| @fenn | i think | 08:38 |
| @fenn | .wa given a half life of one day, what is the time for exponential decay from 1 to 0.1 | 08:39 |
| yoleaux | fenn: Sorry, no result! | 08:39 |
| sheena | thanks | 08:42 |
| @fenn | i kinda hate wolfram alpha | 08:44 |
| @fenn | .wa -(13/24)day*log(0.1/1)/log(2) in day | 08:44 |
| yoleaux | convert -13/24 days×(log(0.1×1/1))/(log(2)) to days: 1.799 days; 1 day 19 hours 11 minutes 6.235 seconds; Additional conversions: 43 hours 11 minutes 6.235 seconds; 155466 seconds; 2591 minutes; 43.19 hours; Comparison as time: ~5.4 × 8-hour workday (8 h); Corresponding quantities: Distance x traveled by light in a vacuum from x = ct:: 4.661×10¹⁰ km (kilometers): 4.661×10¹³ meters: 312 au (astronomical units): 28.96 … | 08:44 |
| yoleaux | billion miles | 08:44 |
| sheena | N = initial_concentration*2^(-t/half_life) | 08:45 |
| sheena | can i use initial dosage instead of initial concentration, somehow? | 08:46 |
| sheena | would they be approximately proportionate? | 08:46 |
| @fenn | divide the dosage by your body mass and assume you absorb 100% | 08:46 |
| @fenn | usually pharmaceutical concentrations are expressed as mg/kg | 08:46 |
| sheena | ok | 08:47 |
| sheena | http://pastebin.com/HknRxyh6 | 08:50 |
| sheena | so using the idea that "being off prozac for 14 days before this test is sufficient", i've calculated N (maybe incorrectly?) assumine a halflife of 3 days (average of 2-4) | 08:51 |
| sheena | then put N into the formula with the dose and halflife for the other drug, solving for X should give me "number of days before being off Drug X is sufficient for test" | 08:51 |
| sheena | is this correct maths? | 08:51 |
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| @fenn | if 12 hours is the half life of drug X, yes | 08:54 |
| @fenn | also if 0.01 is "low enough" | 08:54 |
| @fenn | oh that's 13 hours, right | 08:55 |
| @fenn | you should get 3.58 days to decay to 0.0102 mg/kg | 08:56 |
| sheena | ok | 08:57 |
| sheena | thanks. | 08:57 |
| sheena | i can plug in/change numbrse myself as long as the math is sound | 08:57 |
| sheena | its just totally illogical to say "take 14 days off these two completely different drugs before test".. | 08:58 |
| @fenn | there are more things going on than just drug concentration, for example genes get turned up or down | 08:59 |
| @fenn | pharmacology is pretty back-of-the-napkin | 09:00 |
| sheena | i cant imagine the doctor is even considering tht factor, but if you have knowledge of this stuff, i'd be happy to explain the exact situation and get your feeling/feedback | 09:00 |
| @fenn | join us next time for IRC MD PhD | 09:03 |
| chris_99 | hehe | 09:03 |
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| @fenn | sheena: i dont know quantitatively how various gene networks react, and possibly nobody does | 09:04 |
| @fenn | you'd have to run a simulation with the KEGG pathway database and more.. ugh. | 09:05 |
| sheena | yeah, tht was my thought | 09:06 |
| @fenn | i wish something like this existed for real but it's a bit out of my range of experience to even try to think about it | 09:06 |
| sheena | no one knows,s o it cant matter | 09:06 |
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| sheena | fenn: you're awesome btw | 09:11 |
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| nmz787_i | my old dog's name was sheena | 09:15 |
| sheena | mine too, thats where the nick came from | 09:15 |
| nmz787_i | i got her from the neighbor who basically abandonded her on his back porch | 09:15 |
| sheena | i was 6 when i started online things, and my dad said "pick something that isnt your name" | 09:15 |
| sheena | sheena@hotmail.com was taken | 09:15 |
| nmz787_i | lol, cool | 09:15 |
| sheena | hd_sheena was the handle chosen, then shortened to sheena for irc and other things later | 09:16 |
| nmz787_i | she was a rottweiler, and a sweety at that | 09:16 |
| sheena | ours was a springer | 09:17 |
| sheena | i dunno if ihave a digital pic | 09:17 |
| nmz787_i | i do somewhere, but might not be able to get at it now | 09:17 |
| chris_99 | nmz787_i, is http://hackaday.io/project/1279-DIY-3D-Printable-RaspberryPi-Raman-Spectrometer yours? | 09:18 |
| nmz787_i | no! | 09:18 |
| nmz787_i | that is indeed important for me to look at tho | 09:18 |
| nmz787_i | oh, huh, not much there as of now | 09:19 |
| nmz787_i | we were interviewed at makerfaire by the hackaday crew, and they told me about the .io contest | 09:20 |
| chris_99 | indeed, i just thought it may have been yours | 09:20 |
| nmz787_i | i'd like to get my spectrometer up and running to add it there tho | 09:20 |
| nmz787_i | it is pretty close | 09:20 |
| nmz787_i | i've got everything pretty much to setup for raman as well, except the filters | 09:20 |
| kanzure | what are you missing? | 09:21 |
| nmz787_i | the filters | 09:21 |
| nmz787_i | and the rest of the crap assembled into something from various piles (or stuff packed nicely in padded boxes) of stuff | 09:21 |
| kanzure | optical filters? | 09:23 |
| nmz787_i | firmware wise i'd like to start a parallel development track, using the LPC Link V2 board... using one of the processors to handle USB stuff (commands as well as data)... but I think the Parallax Propeller is fine for an entry into that contest... its easier to start hacking on anyway compared to the LPC LINK V21 | 09:24 |
| nmz787_i | V2 | 09:24 |
| nmz787_i | yes optical filters | 09:24 |
| nmz787_i | the notch/cliff/dropoff filter | 09:24 |
| nmz787_i | ~$200 | 09:24 |
| chris_99 | whats the rough total BOM cost? btw | 09:25 |
| gradstudentbot | Can I borrow some sulphuric acid? | 09:25 |
| @fenn | i am going to be having dinner with a IR spectrometer builder guy on sunday.. what should i ask him? | 09:26 |
| @fenn | actually he lives in portland. colby foss | 09:27 |
| nmz787_i | is the chinese gratings work out nicely, ~$300 I seem to remember | 09:27 |
| nmz787_i | if* | 09:28 |
| nmz787_i | so maybe ~$500 with Raman filters | 09:28 |
| chris_99 | interesting | 09:28 |
| gradstudentbot | The culture got contaminated. | 09:29 |
| nmz787_i | IR spectroscopy... ask about wavenumbers, and comparing data using different excitation wavelengths... how do you interconvert??? (I think you just need to know the input wavelength.... but then IR is generally broad spectrum unless its broken up like in FTIR) | 09:29 |
| kanzure | .wik FTIR | 09:30 |
| yoleaux | "Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR) is a technique which is used to obtain an infrared spectrum of absorption, emission, photoconductivity or Raman scattering of a solid, liquid or gas." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTIR | 09:30 |
| nmz787_i | basically if you get a laser with not enough thermostability... I wonder if you can just get a really nice high bit number temp sensor... and say any thermal variation will vary the laser freq in a way that correlates to temp | 09:30 |
| nmz787_i | so if you take a reading in the sun, then in the shade moments later... you can compare the readings even though the laser freq was slightly diff | 09:31 |
| @fenn | does the wavelength shift that much over a few degrees? | 09:31 |
| nmz787_i | this wouldn't take into account more or less laser bleeding through the filter, unless the filter cutoff was a few nm away (while I think temp instability would cause the wavelength to vary within a nm) | 09:32 |
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| nmz787_i | apparently thermal stability is a major concern... but I've been planning to use a linear sensor, to get a reading in one frame | 09:32 |
| nmz787_i | not scanning with a monochrometer for instance | 09:33 |
| nmz787_i | so I don't think variation within a reading is a problem, but maybe between readings... I think changing the input freq to Raman changes the stretch of the output graph | 09:33 |
| nmz787_i | but this has to do with converting to wavenumbers which I really never understood well | 09:34 |
| @fenn | "At first of movie we are observing a 50 caliber bullet at left of screen. The FIRST system then begins to track the bullet at center of frame. The bullet is then bore-sighted with a laser range finder. At that time the bullet is illuminated with the laser to generate 3-d tracking." | 09:34 |
| kanzure | if you say so | 09:59 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i, what's the holdup on the filters? | 09:59 |
| kanzure | fenn, what was the say on soylent again? besides their crapped up marketing. | 10:00 |
| kanzure | and besides the fact that the guy turned evil and isn't interested in his recipe sharing | 10:02 |
| @fenn | kinda expensive, canola is bad, unclear if their nutrients are bioavailable enough, lots of carbohydrates, rice protein is possibly bad/unclear, and no recipe sharing | 10:02 |
| Daeken | chris_99: quite a few (actually just hacked my bluetooth treadmill the other day haha). what's up? | 10:02 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: mainly because i haven't had the time/energy recently to get the spectrometer finished, so why buy filters if I cant use them yet | 10:03 |
| @fenn | what! "why buy hacking supplies if i'm too busy" and you call yourself a tinkerer | 10:04 |
| kanzure | okay, i was gonna offer | 10:04 |
| chris_99 | Daeken, ooh, i just got some info from ##re, that i should maybe checkout ubertooth or any other SDR, i'm planning on re'ing https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo when i get it, as the dev kit is apparently $600!!!!!!! | 10:04 |
| kanzure | haha expensive dev kits.. when will the world learn? | 10:05 |
| @fenn | "dev kit" | 10:05 |
| chris_99 | it pairs with a phone right, so would i be able to sniff it easily using any SDR | 10:05 |
| chris_99 | or could i just dump the packets easy enough from Android | 10:05 |
| nmz787_i | ok, cool, my parents have been visiting the past week or so, and makerfaire was the weekend before last, I plan to work on it heavily the next few weekends and maybe weeknights next week | 10:05 |
| kanzure | oh i dunno if you need SDR to reverse engineer bluetooth things | 10:05 |
| kanzure | no way | 10:05 |
| nmz787_i | starting next week | 10:05 |
| Daeken | chris_99: the SDR route -- noooo | 10:05 |
| chris_99 | yeah completely stupid | 10:05 |
| Daeken | then you have to intercept the pairing and all that crap | 10:05 |
| Daeken | just hook the relevant functions in software. | 10:05 |
| @fenn | bluetooth is encrypted | 10:05 |
| chris_99 | why not Daeken | 10:05 |
| kanzure | you should look at the emotiv stuff we did | 10:05 |
| Daeken | on android it's easy, ios it's only slightly harder. | 10:06 |
| kanzure | or rather, the emotiv stuff i claim to have done, but really that daeken did | 10:06 |
| chris_99 | ah ok, so is it just hcidump | 10:06 |
| kanzure | bro i'm stealing your credit hope you're cool with thta | 10:06 |
| chris_99 | or something | 10:06 |
| Daeken | kanzure: haha, sure. i know you did something, but i don't remember what exactly, so feel free to take as much or as little credit as you want :P | 10:06 |
| kanzure | i don't remember either | 10:07 |
| kanzure | the optimal scenario | 10:07 |
| kanzure | chris_99: so, we reverse engineered a bluetooth eeg thing | 10:07 |
| kanzure | and there's some python and C code floating around | 10:07 |
| Daeken | chris_99: well no, you just hook the android bluetooth calls | 10:07 |
| kanzure | that you can steal | 10:07 |
| Daeken | kanzure: s/bluetooth/usb/ | 10:07 |
| Daeken | emotiv wasn't bt | 10:07 |
| kanzure | oh right, but the usb dongle was bluetooth i think | 10:07 |
| Daeken | nah | 10:07 |
| kanzure | how was it communicating? | 10:07 |
| kanzure | infrared? | 10:07 |
| @fenn | brainwaves | 10:07 |
| kanzure | but.. | 10:07 |
| Daeken | no, it was RF, but it wasn't bt ... i don't remember what it was. | 10:07 |
| Daeken | it was an off-the-shelf protocol. | 10:08 |
| kanzure | hm | 10:08 |
| kanzure | well it was stupid | 10:08 |
| chris_99 | Daeken, so is that done in C, and do i need to root my phone for that? | 10:08 |
| kanzure | you'll need to root your phone to disassemble their app | 10:08 |
| Daeken | chris_99: you will need to root your phone, and it can either be done in C or in java. | 10:08 |
| kanzure | which is something that i would be happy to help with (the app disassembling) | 10:08 |
| Daeken | my guess is that their app is java, in which case you could probably break it without actually hooking at all. | 10:08 |
| Daeken | just decompiling the app and reading it | 10:09 |
| chris_99 | ok neat | 10:09 |
| @fenn | if you're reverse engineering it, what is the dev kit for? | 10:09 |
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| chris_99 | i didn't think about REing the ap | 10:09 |
| kanzure | the app is what will be doing protocol things, i bet | 10:09 |
| chris_99 | so theres two type of dev kit | 10:09 |
| Daeken | yeah, i always forget how easy android is. | 10:09 |
| chris_99 | one which gives you access to some cloud thing, the other gives you access to raw spectra | 10:09 |
| chris_99 | data | 10:09 |
| Daeken | on ios i usually shy away from poking at binaries, and just stick to the protocol level | 10:09 |
| Daeken | that's how i'm breaking this bluetooth amp right now | 10:09 |
| Daeken | which i'm hoping to write about soon. | 10:10 |
| kanzure | chris_99: you should install cyanogenmod and just have root natively, instead of breaking your oem software or w/e | 10:10 |
| Daeken | (line6 put out a guitar amp that's completely configured over bluetooth, and only has an ios app. just wrong.) | 10:10 |
| chris_99 | ok, i'll look into that, kanzure i just have a really crappy android phone | 10:10 |
| kanzure | yes that is wrong | 10:10 |
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| chris_99 | is it not possible to easily decrypt via SDR then | 10:12 |
| @fenn | i see a $199 "early adopters", $201 "maker kit", $399 "early developers", $999 "hacker & researcher" and $10k "partner" | 10:12 |
| chris_99 | i got the $199 | 10:12 |
| chris_99 | onee | 10:12 |
| kanzure | haha that's totally the wrong direction | 10:12 |
| kanzure | the developer kits should be cheaper | 10:12 |
| Daeken | chris_99: if your'e going with the decompilation route, there's no need for a phone at all really. just need a way to get the apk, and then you can do everything else | 10:12 |
| kanzure | so that you get developer adoption | 10:12 |
| kanzure | and then you can fuck over the customers, rather than your devs | 10:12 |
| chris_99 | ok Daeken :) | 10:12 |
| Daeken | chris_99: with an SDR, i can't imagine how you'd easily hack a bluetooth device. you'd have to MITM the pairing and all that. | 10:12 |
| kanzure | bluetooth mitm stuff would be fun to do | 10:13 |
| chris_99 | Daeken, i thought maybe if you knew the pin that was used... | 10:13 |
| Daeken | kanzure: i've been thinking about figuring out how to do it with an android phone. | 10:13 |
| FourFire | D: mitm bluetooth | 10:13 |
| @fenn | kanzure: they seem to be assuming that the only reason anyone would want to develop with it is to make money on some "how much sugar is in my cornflakes" app | 10:13 |
| Daeken | chris_99: nah, even if you know the pin, the crypto isn't keyed to that. | 10:13 |
| chris_99 | but i guess theres still the key exchange | 10:13 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 10:13 |
| FourFire | I have enough trouble with BT as it is | 10:13 |
| kanzure | banjo tooie? | 10:14 |
| @fenn | .wik bt | 10:14 |
| yoleaux | "BT or Bt may refer to:" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bt | 10:14 |
| Daeken | belize telemedia? | 10:14 |
| chris_99 | how does ubertooth do it then i wonder | 10:14 |
| chris_99 | i'll have too look at that | 10:14 |
| Daeken | dunno, never played with one | 10:16 |
| @fenn | i was thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_(musician) | 10:16 |
| FourFire | BT=bluetooth, obvoiusly | 10:18 |
| Daeken | i <3 BT (one of my old companies sponsored one of his tours, so i ended up meeting him and talking tech for a couple hours. fuckin' sharp dude) | 10:19 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: hahhaha i loved those banjo kazooie games, i played the first the most | 10:19 |
| nmz787_i | Bacillus Thuringiensis? | 10:19 |
| nmz787_i | :P | 10:19 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: one of the pokemon rom hackers is also the only banjo kazooie rom hacker | 10:19 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: did you ever see "rare witch project" stuff? | 10:19 |
| nmz787_i | hmm, no, I remember some parody 'bear witch project' but dont remember the content, only the name | 10:20 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSQxq6P9EYY | 10:21 |
| @fenn | .title | 10:22 |
| kanzure | anyway they did this back in 2002-2004 entering a few thousand gameshark codes | 10:22 |
| yoleaux | Banjo-Kazooie Blubber's Secret Island | 10:22 |
| gradstudentbot | My code doesn't work. I have no idea why... | 10:22 |
| kanzure | also he made "mumbo's wand", the only banjo kazooie level editor i think | 10:22 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuzt_RFE4JU | 10:23 |
| kanzure | i spent way too many hours looking through the ram viewer. i tsarted to document the filenames of their source code etc. | 10:23 |
| kanzure | (this must have been 2000?) | 10:23 |
| kanzure | unfortunately the only way to do a reliable disassembly is dynarec i think | 10:26 |
| delinquentme | So BBL had this LOVELY meetup last night w a dude from a company called novozymes. | 10:27 |
| delinquentme | 10 bil market cap company designing enzymes ... Coolest thing I walked away with was probably novel uses of sequencing for optimization of synthetic organism output | 10:28 |
| delinquentme | and also GRAS organisms are quite a nice abstraction | 10:29 |
| kanzure | synthesis is the main blocker on producing novel enzyme output | 10:29 |
| kanzure | there's already lots of sequencing | 10:29 |
| kanzure | but if you can't generate a trillion item library what's the point | 10:29 |
| delinquentme | I couldn't get how many organism permutations he had in their sequencing library | 10:31 |
| delinquentme | But he mentioned that he worked alongside someone @ berkeley in sequencing named michael rae. | 10:31 |
| delinquentme | And I'm wondering if thats the same SENS michael rae | 10:32 |
| kanzure | i was introduced to michael rae 2009-02-02 by robert bradbury | 10:32 |
| kanzure | i wonder if that's the dead one | 10:32 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: you were hacking speedily when I was merely wondering what how to even get started with a dissassembler | 10:33 |
| nmz787_i | :/ negative 1 for lack of mentorship or whatever | 10:33 |
| kanzure | i didn't know about disassemblers back then | 10:33 |
| kanzure | all i had was a gameshark and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPpiFGIzOyw | 10:34 |
| kanzure | .title | 10:34 |
| yoleaux | Gameshark Sharkwire Commercial | 10:34 |
| gradstudentbot | Who has the latest version of the paper? | 10:35 |
| kanzure | "Robert Bradbury may refer to: The author of the Matrioshka brain concept" | 10:36 |
| kanzure | .wik matrioshka brain | 10:37 |
| yoleaux | "A matrioshka brain is a hypothetical megastructure proposed by Robert Bradbury, based on the Dyson sphere, of immense computational capacity. It is an example of a Class B stellar engine, employing the entire energy output of a star to drive computer systems. This concept derives its name from Russian Matrioshka dolls." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain | 10:37 |
| kanzure | yes but is he dead or not. grr. | 10:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/robert-bradbury | 10:37 |
| kanzure | seems to say he died in 2011 | 10:37 |
| kanzure | huh, so a unixy microbiology transhumanist person | 10:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/dialogue-between-ray-kurzweil-eric-drexler-and-robert-bradbury | 10:39 |
| kanzure | "So I would argue that you could take a frozen head, drop it on the floor so it shatters into millions or billions of pieces and as long as it remains frozen, still successfully reassemble it (or scan it into an upload). In its disassembled state it is certainly one very large 3D jigsaw puzzle, but it can only be reassembled one correct way. Provided you have sufficient scanning and computational capacity, it shouldn’t be too difficult to ... | 10:40 |
| kanzure | ... figure out how to put it back together." | 10:40 |
| FourFire | "sufficient" computing capacity is "bounded" | 10:43 |
| FourFire | a shattered brain would melt quickly, unless it's still in the cold room | 10:43 |
| kanzure | i don't think they're arguing that you should smash brains | 10:44 |
| delinquentme | Ok So I'm having a convo w someone about freeze drying. I dont think that I'm underestimating its complexity. Its a vacuum. | 10:44 |
| kanzure | smash frozen brains, even | 10:44 |
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| FourFire | they're arguing whether having your head frozen and then dropped is "survivable" | 10:44 |
| delinquentme | If you want to get INCREDIBLY exotic we can point out shielding for different high energy particles ... but really if you want to freeze dry a sample O2 will be removed during vacating the air | 10:46 |
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| kanzure | i tink the stratum protocol is a little backwards | 11:03 |
| kanzure | *think | 11:03 |
| kanzure | "On the beginning of the session, client subscribes current connection for receiving mining jobs. Now let authorize some workers. You can authorize as many workers as you wish and at any time during the session. In this way, you can handle big basement of independent mining rigs just by one Stratum connection." | 11:03 |
| kanzure | so the first message a stratum client sends is a subscription request, followed by any number of authorization requests :| | 11:03 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk_: what's the name of the reverse telnet tool that lets me wait for an incoming connection, then lets me type things? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | ah, nc -l -p | 11:33 |
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| sheena | fenn you still here? | 11:40 |
| sheena | 0.0102 = (20/77) * 2^(-x/0.5416) | 11:41 |
| sheena | 2^(-x/0.5416) = 0.0102 * 77/20 | 11:41 |
| sheena | x/0.5416 = -log(0.0102 * 77/20, 2) | 11:41 |
| sheena | x = -log(0.0102 * 77/20, 2) * 0.5416 | 11:41 |
| sheena | = 2.5295041253028567 | 11:41 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: sharkwire online huh, never heard of it... the only thing slightly similar, though lacking apparent cheat/mod features, was sega channel (but that was like 1995 or 1996 I think) | 11:52 |
| nmz787_i | Sega channel was friggin awesome for its time | 11:52 |
| nmz787_i | games coming over the cable TV wire | 11:52 |
| nmz787_i | *mindblowing* to an 8 year old | 11:52 |
| nmz787_i | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTcIqsFEQNk | 11:53 |
| nmz787_i | 'very economical, and keeps my kids at home' | 11:53 |
| nmz787_i | huh made by 'Scientific Atlanta' the old cable box company | 11:55 |
| nmz787_i | oh, another adapter made by "General Instrument" | 11:56 |
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| nmz787_i | both officially licensed | 11:57 |
| nmz787_i | 'menu accessible cheats and tips' | 11:57 |
| kanzure | i didn't have the sharkwire actually. just the video heh. | 11:57 |
| nmz787_i | hah hah , they show a small dog playin the sega controller | 11:57 |
| nmz787_i | random youtube comment "Sega channel was AMAZING! It still blows my mind that they had that technology back then. I got it in early 95 in Boston. And having 50+ new games every month was mind blowing and it wasn't bad games most of the games were top sellers and you would get most games 3 months after their initial release. Once I got PS at the end of the yr. Sega Channel went with it. But it was really cool " | 11:58 |
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| nmz787_i | I actually remember something similar... the bedroom where my friend had sega channel soon got a PlayStation in it, my memories are pretty vague of back then... but I remember playing a lot of some side-scrolling team fighter game on the PS more than playing sonic or whatever on sega channel | 12:00 |
| kanzure | it's all just licensing deals | 12:00 |
| nmz787_i | ooo 'fighting force' | 12:00 |
| kanzure | of course it was possible back then.. it's the patent owners that sue the hell out of anyone that bothers/tries. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | (and other competing reasons) | 12:00 |
| kanzure | "Sega Channel was provided to the public by Time Warner Cable and TCI through cable television services by way of coaxial cable" | 12:01 |
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| kanzure | "Headed by former Time Warner senior vice president Stanley B. Thomas Jr., the service was a joint venture between Telecommunications Inc. (TCI), Time Warner Entertainment, and Sega of America Inc. for the Genesis console." | 12:02 |
| kanzure | ah they hired a time warner cable person | 12:03 |
| kanzure | and he died in 1995 http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/28/obituaries/stanley-b-thomas-jr-cable-tv-executive-52.html | 12:04 |
| kanzure | "Mr. Thomas is survived by his wife, .., and four children, ..., and Stanley 3d." | 12:04 |
| kanzure | oh 3rd.. not 3d. damn. | 12:05 |
| kanzure | i suspect it died because he did | 12:05 |
| kanzure | "According to an informational piece broadcast over the channel, Stanley B. Thomas, Jr., former senior vice president of Time Warner, headed the service" | 12:05 |
| kanzure | "YOU WILL FEAR MY GLORIOUS TELEVISED ASS" | 12:06 |
| gradstudentbot | Sorry for wasting your time. | 12:09 |
| * nmz787_i wonders if kanzure paid mechanical turk to man gradstudentbot | 12:24 | |
| gradstudentbot | I think more research is required. | 12:24 |
| nmz787_i | yes, certainly | 12:24 |
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| kanzure | i can't decide if he's hilarious because it's funny or if he's hilarious because graduate students are just so sad | 12:40 |
| @fenn | sheena: i forgot to use 20/77, i used 1 instead | 12:54 |
| seba- | http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tumblr_n4g2lzcsi21rrqskho1_500.jpg | 12:59 |
| @fenn | seba-: ? | 13:00 |
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| kanzure | aren't variables supposed to be shared between greenlets? | 13:03 |
| gradstudentbot | Do you have references for that? | 13:03 |
| kanzure | ayaaa | 13:04 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: is there a Visual Studio drag-n-drog HTML editor that doesn't suck? | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | drag-n-drop | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | something that might help me learn how to code it better | 13:13 |
| nmz787_i | i tried starting with twitter bootstrap but didn't really get anywhere fast | 13:13 |
| @fenn | "drag-n-drop" != "code" | 13:16 |
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| nmz787_i | well those things usually generate code | 13:17 |
| @fenn | they usually generate garbage that people like me have to clean up | 13:17 |
| nmz787_i | maybe | 13:17 |
| kanzure | dpk might know more about that, i think he might have even read the css spec | 13:17 |
| gradstudentbot | Wow, that would be a great sample to add to my collection. | 13:17 |
| nmz787_i | but i asked specifically for one that 'doesn't suck' | 13:17 |
| dpk | hmm? | 13:17 |
| nmz787_i | i might be able to learn /something/ from sucky code | 13:18 |
| dpk | i haven't read all of the CSS spec. only the bits i've needed from time to time | 13:18 |
| @fenn | just read the w3 tutorials | 13:18 |
| nmz787_i | i've heard w3 is pretty limited in some cases | 13:18 |
| @fenn | w3 is all there is | 13:18 |
| @fenn | everything else is abuse | 13:18 |
| dpk | .g no w3schools | 13:19 |
| yoleaux | http://www.w3fools.com/ | 13:19 |
| dpk | ^ | 13:19 |
| kanzure | twitter bootstrap is a collection of working knowledge about css that css monkeys have accumulated after years of battling all sorts of browsers | 13:19 |
| kanzure | at this point mozilla's mdn is way better on averae | 13:19 |
| kanzure | *average | 13:19 |
| seba- | hm | 13:19 |
| nmz787_i | i just wanted some framework to use for laying out guis in cefpython | 13:19 |
| kanzure | there are certain things in bootstrap that are non-obvious if you haven't experienced the community the whole time | 13:19 |
| seba- | we just tested, animal probiotics | 13:19 |
| kanzure | for example, "why the hell is everything on a random grid that isn't just css?" | 13:20 |
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| seba- | they are sterile water | 13:20 |
| seba- | lol | 13:20 |
| nmz787_i | i figured bootstrap is used widely enough that it might be a good starting point | 13:20 |
| nmz787_i | hmm | 13:20 |
| kanzure | there are simpler grid layout systems if that's all you want | 13:20 |
| kanzure | like 960gs or bluegrid or etc etc | 13:20 |
| kanzure | wait.. not bluegrid. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | blueprint | 13:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.blueprintcss.org/ | 13:21 |
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| kanzure | it's mostly a grid system, but bootstrap has a bunch of those too | 13:21 |
| nmz787_i | cool, i'll check it out | 13:21 |
| kanzure | css monkeying is the reason why i don't accept frontend gigs anymore | 13:21 |
| @fenn | dpk: ok so w3schools has no connection to the w3c, so what? | 13:22 |
| kanzure | content is often bad and security nightmare | 13:22 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: btw, you might just take something from themeforest.net and cut down on your time.. | 13:23 |
| @fenn | nmz787_i: bootstrap is an advanced thing on top of another thing | 13:23 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: it's worth the $8 | 13:23 |
| @fenn | you need to learn how the base layer works first | 13:23 |
| kanzure | i don't know if i enjoy knowing how css works | 13:23 |
| kanzure | definitely not on my top 10 list.. | 13:23 |
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| @fenn | i dont get why css has such a bad reputation | 13:24 |
| kanzure | because you have to debug in 12 browsers simultaneously | 13:24 |
| @fenn | that's the browser's fault for being buggy | 13:24 |
| chris_99 | mm | 13:24 |
| @fenn | i bet they render html different, and flash different, and fonts different, but you don't complain about that | 13:24 |
| kanzure | i wonder if anyone has a simultaneous autorefresh for multiple browsers... i should go look. | 13:25 |
| kanzure | actually people do complain about that | 13:25 |
| kanzure | they do image pixel-by-pixel testing etc etc | 13:25 |
| @fenn | so why is css the bad guy? | 13:25 |
| gradstudentbot | You used the wrong formula. | 13:25 |
| @fenn | all this pixel-perfect shit just makes it not work right on my netbook screen | 13:26 |
| @fenn | you want pixel perfect? render a .png and use image maps | 13:27 |
| @fenn | (i shouldnt give people ideas) | 13:27 |
| @fenn | css was harder to figure out before firebug and the chrome inspector, because you didn't know what was padding vs margin vs border | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i | some of these wxpython widgets are written in pure python, and then the API gets all fragmented (similar functions with different calls between different widgets) | 13:28 |
| kanzure | all of my css hate is probably from the days of quirks mode | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i | so i'm thinking using more RAM to run a chromium might be fine | 13:29 |
| @fenn | but now it's so easy, you can even change things with live preview and show the box model in 3d etc | 13:29 |
| @fenn | nmz787_i: are you actually talking about running chrome the web browser? or just a html/css based GUI? | 13:33 |
| kanzure | he's using cefpython to do an html/css gui for a desktop application | 13:33 |
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| nmz787_i | the latter, using chromium instantiated in python using chrome extension framework python implementation | 13:34 |
| nmz787_i | thinking about it | 13:34 |
| nmz787_i | i'm not sure i want to try switching to that now | 13:34 |
| @fenn | please don't use chrome extension whatever just for a simple GUI | 13:34 |
| nmz787_i | but might for future projects | 13:34 |
| kanzure | it's not really a chrome extension | 13:34 |
| kanzure | it's more like embedded chromium | 13:34 |
| @fenn | either way it sounds terrible | 13:35 |
| kanzure | yep | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | wx has some other html display thing | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | but i'm not sure how much of that can hook up to/emit events | 13:35 |
| kanzure | firefox used to be embeddable, until the world decided to hate lkcl | 13:35 |
| kanzure | gtkmozembed stuff etc | 13:36 |
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| @fenn | nmz787_i: you do realize gtk runs on mac and windows, right? | 13:43 |
| dingo | i worked on gtkicq in 1998 | 13:44 |
| kanzure | nice | 13:44 |
| kanzure | how much gtk stuff does it use? big gui? | 13:45 |
| dingo | ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/mandriva-prehistory/6.0/i586/index-html/gtkicq-0.60-1.i386.html | 13:45 |
| dingo | i can't believe its still available | 13:45 |
| dingo | i went to high school with Ryan Weaver | 13:45 |
| gradstudentbot | Cancer: still not cured. | 13:46 |
| @fenn | back in the days before laptops | 13:46 |
| gradstudentbot | I have to order new primers. | 13:46 |
| nmz787_i | fenn all windows users anyway | 13:49 |
| nmz787_i | for this project at least | 13:49 |
| kanzure | msvc actually has a bunch of wizards for gui drag-and-drop stuff | 13:50 |
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| jrayhawk_ | 13:24 < kanzure> because you have to debug in 12 browsers simultaneously | 14:04 |
| jrayhawk_ | 13:24 <@fenn> that's the browser's fault for being buggy | 14:04 |
| jrayhawk_ | if a standard is unimplementable, it is not a good standard | 14:04 |
| jrayhawk_ | contrast, say, postscript, of which there are thousands of implementations of and the variances are sufficiently discrete that they can be tracked with a central repository of definition files | 14:08 |
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| @fenn | jrayhawk_: i'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with "implementable" and more to do with tricksy business strategies attempting the "decommoditization of protocols" | 15:06 |
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| * Mokstar prepares for patch night. | 15:07 | |
| kanzure | is there a "bind to random port" in python's socket module? | 15:14 |
| kanzure | blah 0 i knew that | 15:16 |
| kanzure | :( | 15:16 |
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| kanzure | oh weird | 15:18 |
| kanzure | so that works with socket.socket.bind but not gevent.server.StreamServer (which thinks that 0 is a valid port?). | 15:19 |
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| kanzure | raise TypeError('Expected a socket instance or an address (tuple of 2 elements): %r' % (listener, )) | 15:21 |
| kanzure | okay i guess i can just pass a socket.. thanks nodocs. | 15:21 |
| dingo | there is such a real port, 0 | 15:22 |
| dingo | os implementation-defined | 15:23 |
| dingo | its an important part of remote os fingerprinting | 15:23 |
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| kanzure | that is inconvenient for me at the moment heh | 15:28 |
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| ||0_-_0|| | paperbot http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1874574 | 15:31 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Brain%20Structure%20and%20Functional%20Connectivity%20Associated%20With%20Pornography%20Consumption%3A%20The%20Brain%20on%20Porn.pdf | 15:32 |
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| jrayhawk_ | fenn: okay, then why doesn't amaya work either? | 16:08 |
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| jrayhawk_ | like that was the literal thought process behind it. "Everybody's implementing it wrong, we presume due to commercial incentives, so we'll just have to do it ourselves!" and it turns out that implementing an unimplementable set of standards requires infinite engineering effort | 16:12 |
| jrayhawk_ | so amaya is, in fact, even shittier than the commercial engines | 16:13 |
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| joepie91__ | kanzure: it's Python, nodocs is the norm | 16:16 |
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| kanzure | it works | 16:29 |
| gradstudentbot | Protip: the lab's attic hasn't been used since 1966. Pretty nice. | 16:31 |
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| chris_99 | is that where you live gradstudentbot | 16:32 |
| gradstudentbot | Should this be on ice? | 16:32 |
| @fenn | i've never used amaya, but judging by its screenshots it looks more like an editor than a browser | 16:33 |
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| jrayhawk_ | it was supposed to be a reference implementation | 17:18 |
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| AshleyWaffle | https://imgur.com/gallery/VVSRo | 17:53 |
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| streety | gradstudentbot: the attic is a nice place to stash a weights rack | 17:54 |
| gradstudentbot | I'm making a flamingo cell culture, but first I need to capture a flamingo, are you in? | 17:54 |
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| delinquentme | http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/30/this-algae-battery-could-power-a-tesla-with-200x-the-charge/ | 17:58 |
| delinquentme | can someone explain to me whats happening here? | 17:58 |
| Mokstar | basically he wants to create algae-based eggsploseives | 18:01 |
| seba- | delinquentme, i would say that the algae makes some gas | 18:02 |
| seba- | which is then used in a fuel cell | 18:02 |
| seba- | or maybe it uses quantum zero point energy of the vector scalar field | 18:03 |
| * Mokstar summons Thomas Bearden. | 18:04 | |
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| @fenn | AshleyWaffle: cool illustrations, maybe we can get their original drawings without the text for re-use | 18:21 |
| AshleyWaffle | fenn: idk ask | 18:22 |
| @fenn | do you think aaqucnaona is the artist? | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | seba-, I"m not understanding anything there. They mentioned a inline 9volt and something w the algae | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | Are they just showing that the algae conducts electricity?? | 18:24 |
| ||0_-_0|| | algae biosuits will allow you to have telepathic sex with sentient dolphins, delinquentme | 18:30 |
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| kanzure | can't you already do that? | 18:33 |
| @fenn | my secret plans have been ruined, ruined! | 18:35 |
| kanzure | apparently there's a big difference between gevent 0.13.8 and 1.0.1 | 18:37 |
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| kanzure | hm the remote service returned: {"error": [-1, "maybeDeferred() argument after * must be a sequence, not NoneType", null], "id": 0, "result": null} | 18:46 |
| kanzure | i'm gonna guess they are using twisted | 18:47 |
| kanzure | poor souls | 18:47 |
| @fenn | the illustrations seem to be from here: http://mariakonovalenko.wordpress.com/ | 18:49 |
| @fenn | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS0006297913090137 | 18:56 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/899987ef8ae0557c3daeb6316ed6c056.txt | 18:57 |
| @fenn | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1134%2FS0006297913090137.pdf | 18:59 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b9e5e9e3e67dd9278dc9bc8554cb1e9c.txt | 18:59 |
| @fenn | paperbot: http://www.programmed-aging.org/theory-3/Katcher_heterochronic_plasma_exchange.pdf | 19:02 |
| paperbot | TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 825, in text) | 19:02 |
| @fenn | wtf, download it | 19:02 |
| delinquentme | I"m a bit beside myself here because the article sounds like nobody knows what they're talking about. | 19:03 |
| delinquentme | like its nothing novel. | 19:03 |
| delinquentme | I'm not even sure how the algae is involved other than its shown in the background. | 19:03 |
| @fenn | congratulations, you are developing critical thinking skills | 19:03 |
| delinquentme | but fenn it pisses me off! | 19:05 |
| delinquentme | This isn't news! | 19:05 |
| delinquentme | Anyways ... a dude from anamyris added me on linked in ... specifically the guy from automated infrastructure | 19:06 |
| delinquentme | Not sure how I want to open that convo yet. | 19:07 |
| @fenn | delinquentme: try downworthy | 19:09 |
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| @fenn | http://mariakonovalenko.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/roadmap_immortality_eng.pdf can anyone else see this pdf? it takes forever to load and gobbles up ram, lots of warning messages on the console.. | 19:24 |
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| kanzure | it's stealing all your doecoin | 19:25 |
| kanzure | *dogecoin | 19:25 |
| @fenn | i think it's just a humongously ginormous image | 19:26 |
| @fenn | why are 1,734 people signed up to receive email from maria konovalenko's blog? | 19:29 |
| ||0_-_0|| | turchin | 19:31 |
| @fenn | UFOs as global risk also doesn't seem like a hot topic | 19:35 |
| @fenn | Rank: #5,350,829 in Books | 19:36 |
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| @fenn | http://transhuman.ru/Projects i wonder if "transhumanist organizations" are doomed to perpetual endless self-promotion media production | 19:49 |
| gradstudentbot | Wow, I'm definitely not including this data in the paper. | 19:49 |
| @fenn | at least KrioRus is something real | 19:49 |
| @fenn | "2006-2012 the company was cryopreserved KrioRus 20 people, 4 dogs, 4 cats and cats and two birds. | 19:50 |
| @fenn | makes it sound like they started wit people and advanced to cats and dogs | 19:50 |
| kanzure | the russian transhumanist association members are, on average, slightly more aware of how crappy the community is, but their ideas about what to do about the situation are annoying | 19:51 |
| kanzure | ("let's hold massive skype conference calls EVERY DAY about longevity, and invite 400 people") | 19:51 |
| kanzure | caveat: my opinions were formed prior to the shitstorm that was their "2045" project ugh | 19:53 |
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| @fenn | rofl it's san francisco in a box: http://style2030.ru/ | 19:54 |
| kanzure | i meant http://2045.ru/ | 19:54 |
| @fenn | i know. i'm looking at the list of projects transhuman.ru has done | 19:55 |
| kanzure | they have a list! | 19:55 |
| @fenn | LE WHAF - gaseous food | 19:55 |
| @fenn | 16,000 rubles. | 19:55 |
| kanzure | is writing to a socket the only way to know it's dead? | 19:57 |
| ||0_-_0|| | paperbot http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0105-2896.2006.00391.x/abstract;jsessionid=5A8E958C247AC893216D7DBFC704D761.f01t03?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false | 19:57 |
| kanzure | try not including hints like userIsAuthenticated=THEYARESTEALINGEVERYTHING | 19:57 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/be18ceea8551338f8f43778b8500ccdd.txt | 19:57 |
| ||0_-_0|| | dammit need something to read on the train | 19:57 |
| ||0_-_0|| | paperbot http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-immunol-032712-100008 | 19:57 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev-immunol-032712-100008 | 19:57 |
| delinquentme | fenn, this plugin.... lol | 19:58 |
| ||0_-_0|| | yuss | 19:58 |
| @fenn | DEANONYMIZATION SUCCESSFUL | 19:58 |
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| @fenn | anyone heard of "Life strategy of creative person" (LSCP/ЖСТЛ) by creator of TRIZ? | 20:05 |
| * kanzure plugs fenn into a socket | 20:06 | |
| @fenn | the socket is dead | 20:06 |
| @fenn | hm. "seminar" blargh | 20:08 |
| @fenn | i'm going to start licensing all my creations under a "do anything you want except give seminars and certification certificates" | 20:09 |
| @fenn | license* | 20:09 |
| kanzure | hard to see you writing licenses | 20:11 |
| @fenn | i'll fork the wtfpl | 20:12 |
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| kanzure | "Not to be included in Soviet patent literature" | 20:14 |
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| @fenn | did you know Genrich Altshuller was a soviet patent examiner? | 20:17 |
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| @fenn | i can't tell if these wikipedia articles were auto-translated or i just need to go to sleep | 20:19 |
| kanzure | whonow | 20:19 |
| kanzure | russian wikipedia is pretty interesting, it's not just translations | 20:19 |
| kanzure | it's glorious alternate history that actually happened | 20:20 |
| @fenn | "The laws of technical systems evolution are the most general evolution trends for technical systems discovered by TRIZ author G. S. Altshuller after reviewing thousands USSR invention authorship certificates and foreign patent abstracts. | 20:20 |
| @fenn | Altshuller studied the way technical systems have been invented, developed and improved over time." | 20:20 |
| kanzure | "thousands of USSR invention authorship certificates".. aka all of tem | 20:20 |
| kanzure | *them | 20:20 |
| kanzure | i wonder when it will be quicker to read all patents than it would be to read all pages on wikipedia | 20:21 |
| @fenn | TRIZ is a set of abstract domain-cross-cutting techniques that can be used to get unstuck | 20:21 |
| kanzure | it's already less time than reading the internet | 20:21 |
| kanzure | oh yeah, it was one of those silly graph grid matrix systems | 20:21 |
| kanzure | that they throw at "innovation parties" where you fall into a pool or get caught because of trust lessons | 20:22 |
| @fenn | i think of it more like zen koans | 20:22 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:22 |
| kanzure | "It won't work." | 20:22 |
| kanzure | #2 is "Really." | 20:22 |
| @fenn | "do not try to solve the problem, only realize the truth." | 20:22 |
| @fenn | #3 is "why are you still reading"? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | "there are no gears, only interferences and non-interferences" | 20:23 |
| kanzure | professor of triangles | 20:23 |
| kanzure | *hexagons | 20:24 |
| @fenn | permutohedrons | 20:24 |
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| @fenn | 999/1000 american high school students don't know what a cuboctahedron is | 20:24 |
| @fenn | polytope or isotope? | 20:26 |
| @fenn | polymer or isomer? | 20:26 |
| kanzure | .title http://vimeo.com/93042377 | 20:28 |
| yoleaux | Pulley Logic Gates on Vimeo | 20:29 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.flickr.com/photos/10242956@N05/sets/72157644097414107/ | 20:29 |
| yoleaux | un album sur Flickr | 20:29 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.amazon.com/lm/R31DNEOS39TWP7/ref=cm_lm_pthnk_view?ie=UTF8&lm_bb= | 20:29 |
| yoleaux | Amazon.com: Pulley Logic Gates Stuff | 20:29 |
| @fenn | is there a flickr un-fuckr? | 20:30 |
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| kanzure | i emailed my patent reform proposal https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openmanufacturing/vS4ju1VqXb0 | 20:52 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SudixyugiX4 | 20:55 |
| yoleaux | Domino Domino Logic | 20:55 |
| kanzure | domino half-adder http://imgur.com/a/qq7Kl | 20:55 |
| kanzure | "I accidentally knocked down the 2-bit which led to knocking down the 4-bit as well, but it did successfully lead to knocking down the two 1-bit inputs, so I considered it a success and didn't try to get it set up again." | 20:56 |
| kanzure | hahah | 20:56 |
| kanzure | he should have blamed the cat | 20:56 |
| @fenn | grants of limited monopoly exist, see i.e. the FDA granting exclusive marketing rights | 20:58 |
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| @fenn | also, from what i can tell, the patent office doesn't expend any efforts on evaluating the technology content of the patent applications | 21:00 |
| @fenn | also, this doesn't really fix anything | 21:00 |
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| kanzure | "grants of limited monopoly exist" .. yes, specifically patents. duh? | 21:01 |
| kanzure | of course it fixes things | 21:01 |
| @fenn | patent owners should be the ones to pay the "intellectual property tax" because they are denying the right to use that property to the commons | 21:01 |
| kanzure | now you're not sued for building your hexagons | 21:01 |
| kanzure | yes patent owners should pay that tax. absolutely. | 21:02 |
| kanzure | but paying that tax and also killing homeless people for driving around in hexagons is even worse. | 21:02 |
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| @fenn | the way you wrote it, it sounds like the tax goes TO the patent owner | 21:02 |
| kanzure | yes, it does | 21:02 |
| kanzure | and that's what i intended, although it was a throw-away aspect of the proposal | 21:03 |
| kanzure | at the moment, the patent owners get money becaues of patent licensing deals | 21:03 |
| kanzure | *because | 21:03 |
| @fenn | was the goal of this proposal to be absurdly awful? (proof by negation or something?) | 21:03 |
| kanzure | the goal of the proposal was to stop the harmful impacts of patents on technology | 21:04 |
| kanzure | patents (grants) have very very little to do with technology, in theory | 21:04 |
| kanzure | in practice, everyone has attached the concept of invention to patnets | 21:04 |
| kanzure | *patents | 21:04 |
| @fenn | monopoly rights are for incentivizing business | 21:05 |
| kanzure | haha | 21:05 |
| @fenn | everyone assumes you need a business to make technology | 21:05 |
| kanzure | no the usual argument is "they are for incentivizing the $400 billion dollar investment required to make anyone do anything" | 21:05 |
| @fenn | same thing | 21:05 |
| kanzure | many many businesses don't even have a single patent | 21:05 |
| kanzure | business wouldn't stop, heh | 21:06 |
| @fenn | don't ask me, man | 21:06 |
| @fenn | lawyers gonna legislate | 21:06 |
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| kanzure | do you know the names of people who have proposed "patents should be taxed as property" ? | 21:07 |
| kanzure | i guess it's sorta obvious, since it says property in the name | 21:07 |
| @fenn | no, i don't | 21:08 |
| @fenn | there is no law or constitution describing intellectual property | 21:08 |
| kanzure | http://patentlyo.com/patent/2012/05/how-many-us-patents-are-in-force.html | 21:09 |
| @fenn | it's a fiction designed to confuse people such as lawmakers into believing that businesses have "property rights" over intangibles | 21:09 |
| kanzure | "By my calculations, there are about 2.1 million US patents in-force (as of May 1, 2012)." | 21:09 |
| @fenn | property tax isn't a solution to the problem, it just cuts out the bottom 50 percent of crap patents | 21:10 |
| kanzure | i agree that taxing technology inventions isn't a solution | 21:11 |
| kanzure | it doesn't solve any of the interesting problems | 21:11 |
| kanzure | "In total, U.S. intellectual property is estimated to be approximately $5.5 trillion -- greater in value than the entire GDP of any other nation" | 21:11 |
| @fenn | mandatory licensing also doesn't solve the problem | 21:11 |
| kanzure | okay let's assume that's $5 trillion, and attribute it to the 2 million patents in force, and also assume that the expired patents have some incalculable value, and that this does not include copyrights/trademarks | 21:11 |
| kanzure | .wa 5 trillion / 2 million | 21:11 |
| @fenn | oh yeah well Fennistan has $5.6 trillion in intangible intangibleness | 21:11 |
| yoleaux | 5000000000000/2000000: 2500000; Quotient and remainder: 2500000×2000000+0; Number name: 2 million 500 thousand; Number line: http://is.gd/m4aU8d; Number length: 7 decimal digits; Pie chart: http://is.gd/BZy8pc | 21:12 |
| kanzure | $2.5M/patent haha... of course, it's a power law distribution | 21:12 |
| @fenn | you can still calculate it with a power law distribution | 21:12 |
| kanzure | oh yeah, another good number is google paying $4B for motorola's 17k patents. | 21:12 |
| kanzure | .wa 4 billion / 170000 | 21:13 |
| yoleaux | 4000000000/170000: 400000/17; Decimal approximation: 23529.41176470588235294117647058823529411764705882352941176470...; Repeating decimal: 23529.4117647058823529^_ (period 16); Mixed fraction: 23529 7/17; Quotient and remainder: 23529×170000+70000; Number line: http://is.gd/2HQj4h; Pie chart: http://is.gd/I5VNY4; Prime factorization: 2⁷×5⁵×17⁽⁻¹⁾; Continued fraction: [23529; 2, 2, 3]; Egyptian fraction expansion: … | 21:13 |
| yoleaux | 23529 + 1/3+1/13+1/663 | 21:13 |
| @fenn | they also bought a brand, product line, engineering staff, etc. | 21:13 |
| kanzure | no i think that was the itemized number | 21:13 |
| kanzure | $12.5B total | 21:13 |
| @fenn | that's a lot of money | 21:14 |
| @fenn | motorola strikes me as the sort of company that would have valuable patents, so those numbers don't add up | 21:15 |
| @fenn | by about 2 orders of magnitude | 21:15 |
| kanzure | yeah i think they have all the government radio contracts and patents, right? | 21:16 |
| kanzure | or did freescale get that part of the business? | 21:16 |
| @fenn | is spectrum allocation "intellectual property"? | 21:16 |
| kanzure | dunno :\ | 21:17 |
| @fenn | i mean i have a hard time discerning the difference between "you can't broadcast with this frequency hopping algorithm" vs "you can't broadcast on this frequency" | 21:17 |
| gradstudentbot | The thing about this particular theory is that it's excellent at predicting ethnic conflicts which have already happened. | 21:18 |
| @fenn | thank you gradstudentbot | 21:18 |
| gradstudentbot | That's not really surprising since they did it ex vivo. | 21:18 |
| @fenn | never forget the great patent wars | 21:19 |
| * fenn takes a 12 hour nap | 21:20 | |
| kanzure | .title http://mises.org/daily/3682 | 21:22 |
| yoleaux | The Case Against IP: A Concise Guide | 21:22 |
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| delinquentme | Apologies-ish for a feels post ... but this keeps absolutely frying my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0igW8jNyU | 21:37 |
| kanzure | .title | 21:37 |
| yoleaux | GUY MARTIN 275Kmh Speed Wobble ★HD★ - Isle of Man TT - SURREAL ✔ | 21:37 |
| kanzure | .d wobble | 21:37 |
| yoleaux | wobble (/ˈwɒb(ə)l/): v. Move or cause to move unsteadily from side to side: the table ⁓s where the leg is too short; n. An unsteady movement from side to side: the handlebars developed a ⁓ — http://is.gd/S3gCwc | 21:37 |
| delinquentme | Not sure if you guys are into it ... but some of the shots where they're showing these guys hurtling through corners and just hugging roads to the point where the rider / bike / rear swingarm / road all just integrate | 21:38 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you should watch it :D | 21:40 |
| delinquentme | inspiration to work on getting respawns. | 21:40 |
| gradstudentbot | I did so much qPCR today. | 21:42 |
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| kanzure | "microsoft real-time language translation for skype" hmm | 21:53 |
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| kanzure | google alerts sent me 10 emails at midnight (for once) | 22:06 |
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| delinquentme | libgen runs on a windows server :D | 22:13 |
| kanzure | gene_hacker: hi | 22:15 |
| gene_hacker | who would've known | 22:15 |
| gene_hacker | no wonder it is so slow... | 22:16 |
| kanzure | gene_hacker: http://patentsdb.su/ | 22:16 |
| kanzure | oops | 22:16 |
| kanzure | http://patentdb.su/ | 22:16 |
| gene_hacker | ??? | 22:17 |
| kanzure | soviet patents | 22:17 |
| gene_hacker | sweet, now I can be like Altshuller and go reinvent TRIZ | 22:17 |
| kanzure | are you reading the logs | 22:17 |
| kanzure | because we were TRIZing a few hours ago | 22:18 |
| delinquentme | http://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6386&p=47950#p47950 | 22:19 |
| gene_hacker | so how do you use it? | 22:23 |
| gene_hacker | the search function doesn't seem to work well | 22:24 |
| kanzure | 1) make a copy of the whole site (wget -m) because it probably wont stay up forever | 22:25 |
| kanzure | 2) learn to read russian heh | 22:25 |
| gene_hacker | well I think I know the patent number | 22:25 |
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| kanzure | gene_hacker: patent number for which? | 22:32 |
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| gene_hacker | looks like it's just an application though | 22:32 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: if you ever go south in oregon you should meet gene_hacker | 22:34 |
| gene_hacker | portland? | 22:35 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:35 |
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| jrayhawk_ | isle of man is pretty cool for car culture's sake. the world needs more ludicrously dangerous street circuits. | 23:07 |
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