2014-07-05.log

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EnLilaSkoDoes anyone remember who it was that was going to help me with the Chinese? :P03:57
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kanzurewas it a person?06:22
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justanotheruserIs space a worthless pursuit?12:54
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kanzurenah it has valuables12:58
kanzurelike space12:58
kanzureand things12:58
chris_99why would it be worthless?12:59
kanzure"there's so much of it!"13:01
chris_99also you might find aliens who give you free tech ;)13:05
chris_99paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S107731421000066413:10
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9546d4bb527dba0f7f09ffe8970d41ad.txt13:10
kanzurebut what if they have a stupid non-interference thing13:15
chris_99non-interference thing?13:16
kanzure.g non-interference space directive13:16
yoleauxhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive13:16
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chris_99we just find them and pester them anyway13:18
kanzurewith our luck their only advanced technology is anal probing13:19
chris_99haha13:19
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chris_99hmm i've just noticed some electroporators on the fleabay, i'm kind of tempted as they're not massively expensive14:21
kanzurepaperbot: http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2013/05/20/medethics-2013-101458.long14:22
kanzure.title14:22
yoleauxThe challenge of crafting policy for do-it-yourself brain stimulation -- Fitz and Reiner -- Journal of Medical Ethics14:22
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20challenge%20of%20crafting%20policy%20for%20do-it-yourself%20brain%20stimulation.pdf14:22
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ybit3should you tie validation rules and business logic to your models?14:36
kanzurevalidation rules are generally tied to models14:39
kanzurelike in https://github.com/kanzure/modelo14:39
kanzurebusiness logic, that's more up in the air.. my opinion is yes, and i make lots of my classes really fat.14:40
nmz787chris_99: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/3D_face_reconstructions_from_photometric_stereo_using_near_infrared_and_visible_light.pdf14:44
chris_99ooh yay, thanks14:44
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chris_99http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cambridge-StereoScan-600-Scanning-Electron-Microscope-50-000x-Magnification-25KV-/301229405125?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Equipment_ET&hash=item4622abf3c514:59
chris_99damn i wish i had spare cash and a decent space14:59
ybit3thanks for the feedback kanzure15:02
ybit3i'm told, in haskell, it's seperate. validation rules should be types15:03
kanzurechris_99: if it works i'll consider it15:03
chris_99he does say 'This microscope was in full functional condition when it was careful removed from a lab last week.'  it's from 74' apparently, i wonder how it outputs the image15:04
chris_99hmm it's got a bnc port for tv15:05
kanzure"but due to the nature of this item it is being sold for parts"15:05
chris_99mmm yeah15:06
chris_99has anyone done electroporation here out of interest?15:17
kanzureyashgaroth has maybe done it this week15:22
yashgarothyeah whatup15:22
chris_99i'm just wondering how easy you think it'd be to introduce a pGLO plasmid into yeast, if it would be possible at all15:23
chris_99using electroporation15:23
yashgarothwell I don't think it'll replicate in yeast, or that the selection will function15:24
yashgarothor that the gfp gene would be expressed15:24
nmz787electroporation is very nice15:27
nmz787ttyl15:27
chris_99ah cheers, is there a simple way you could, or would that require creating your own plasmid15:27
yashgarothyeah the electroporation part would work fine15:27
yashgarothI'm sure someone makes a working gfp plasmid for yeast, might need a special strain tho15:27
yashgarothI don't do much yeast work since they're not really useful, so I can't name any specifics15:28
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chris_99okey dokey, appreciate the help, i'll do some googling on that15:29
yashgarothgood luck with your glowing beer15:30
chris_99hehe thanks15:30
chris_99http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0103-90162000000400018 sounds v. interesting15:38
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1590%2FS0103-9016200000040001815:38
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kanzure"To take a very recent bitcoin-related example, the owners of bitcoinica were using LastPass to manage their passwords. LastPass leaks membership through the "forgot password" function, and probably months ago an attacker determined that info@bitcoinica.com was a LastPass account. Then, when the bitcoinica source code was leaked, attacker tried the api key within the code (set as password by naive investor) and bam: synced with LastPass ...19:10
kanzure... account to get mtgox passwords and clear out bitcoinica's mtgox account of ~$350k USD."19:11
kanzurethat is dedication19:11
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kanzurehuh, angular-router looks generally worse than ui-router19:36
kanzureybit3: yes they should be types. but if your model type has subordinate model types.. which they usually do. like fields.20:03
justanotheruserkanzure: can I have that wei dai post about marketplaces again?20:33
kanzurehttp://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/10/msg00062.html20:35
kanzurehttp://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1997/04/msg00398.html20:35
justanotheruserty20:35
kanzurehttp://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1996/05/msg00980.html20:35
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nmz787y'all are boring lately21:21
kanzurewe could make fun of that crazy dude's understanding of open source21:23
kanzurere: his dna synthesizer21:23
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nmz787i thought we wouldn't go there22:12
kanzurevoluntarily limit our mocking? nonsense22:12
nmz787i wanna talk to people about my ideas, but under the veil of secrecy22:13
kanzurewhat do you mean?22:15
kanzureoh, mocking. got it.22:15
kanzuresee, i'm rusty at this22:16
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nmz787no, actually22:55
nmz787i am lonely in here22:55
nmz787;(22:55
bkerochatroulette22:56
kanzurei don't suppose you want to do angular things for me22:56
* kanzure scratches his head about a carousel22:56
kanzurename doesn't even make sense, there's no ceramic disappointment22:56
nmz787can chatroulette filter for a materials scientist?22:57
ebowdenOh, you're a materials scientist?22:59
ebowdenNeat.22:59
kanzurewhy would you think that means he's a "materials scientist"?22:59
ebowdenOh right.23:00
kanzure...?23:00
ebowdenHe wanted to talk to a materials scientist.23:01
nmz787basically23:02
nmz787ebowden: are you one?23:02
ebowdenOh god no.23:14
ebowdenI'm not remotely qualified in any field of science.23:15
kanzure"qualified"23:15
ebowdenOr learned.23:15
nmz787ah23:16
nmz787dang23:16
* nmz787 wants a research/biz partner23:16
ebowdenOut of curiosity, what was it you wanted to talk to a materials scientist for?23:17
ebowdenAh.23:17
ebowdenWhat was your field?23:17
nmz787would make DNA synthesis a bit easier23:17
kanzuredon't you ever get tired of caring about formalities like that?23:17
kanzureor what would it take to convince you to stop caring about those fomalities?23:17
kanzure*formalities23:17
nmz787well the alternative is all that patent crap, it seems23:18
kanzureno not you23:18
nmz787shutting up is easier in that sense23:18
kanzurethe dog person23:18
ebowdenOh, me?23:19
kanzureuse ParahSailin23:19
ebowdennmz787, what kind of research did you want to do? Anything particular in mind?23:20
nmz787related to polymer synthesis, surface interactions, chemical separations, CAD, parts assembly, optics, robotics/handling23:27
nmz787software23:27
nmz787etc23:27
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ebowdenAh, ok.23:38
ebowdenAny projects on making DNA synthesis cheaper?23:39
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nmz787yes23:46
nmz787yes23:47
nmz787whoops23:47
ebowden:D23:51
ebowdenWhat parts of the process are you trying to make cheaper? :D23:51
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