2014-07-15.log

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chapta.gc biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA, banned by the Federal Death Administration07:10
yoleaux243 (site), 55 (end)07:10
chapta.gc biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware07:10
yoleaux10,700 (site), 22,800 (end), 129 (api)07:10
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ybit3"""07:54
ybit3So I found out Masten Space Systems, a company I interned at a while ago and known for doing this: http://youtu.be/A5b9LnzjGgU07:54
ybit3Is offering to fly code: http://masten.aero/2014/05/project-prometheus/07:54
ybit3They will have a Raspberry Pi attached to some sensors on their spacecraft.07:54
ybit3And you can send them a bit of Python or C code that runs on an embedded system such as RaspPi or Arduino.07:54
ybit3And that interacts with their sensors.07:54
ybit3And they will upload it to the on-board Raspberry Pi, let it run and go fly.07:54
ybit3The project is for the rapid, streamlined development of tools relating to; visual navigation, landing detection, mass estimation and position/attitude estimation.07:54
ybit3So anyone wanting to build their algorithms for guidance and navigation and control for their robots have a chance to do it on a spaceship.07:54
ybit3You can reach them at prometheus@masten.aero with input and questions about the program.07:54
ybit3If you are with an educational institution, you get to fly free.07:54
ybit3So if you know C or Python and have worked with embedded systems such as Raspberry Pi or Arduino, you are set.07:54
ybit3"""07:54
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cpopellpaperbot http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=131294408:36
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1117%2F12.91505608:36
kanzurethe hell is a triadic https://github.com/Fooidge/PleaseJS08:48
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nmz787_ichris_99: yes the TakeItApart.com DNA synthesizer is the one we recently acquired10:52
chris_99cool10:52
chris_99is there something that explains in simple terms how that type of synthesizer works11:02
kanzurei think the simplest explanation is "argon pushes stuff through tubes, valves route the materials to the correct location"11:05
chris_99hows the double-helix formed though, via chemical reactions?11:06
kanzurephosphoramidite chemistry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligonucleotide_synthesis11:06
kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligonucleotide_synthesis#Synthesis_by_the_phosphoramidite_method11:06
chris_99aha merci11:07
kanzurei also wrote a generic intro here, http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/dna-synthesis.html11:07
chris_99cool, i'll have a read through11:07
kanzurethe manual also has a simplified overview of the chemistry, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/abi391/ABI%20391-manual.pdf11:07
nmz787_ichris_99: no double helix, oligo synth is single stranded11:21
nmz787_ichris_99: ev'rything is chemical reactions, unless it's a nuclear reaction :P11:21
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chris_99Was just watching a really interesting thing about bees, and they connected a flower to a speaker and some circuitry, and you could hear a change in frequency as the bee aproached, which remains after it leaves for like 100s12:39
cluckjthat's really cool12:40
cluckjplant orgasm caught on tape?12:40
chris_99heh, that's the paper for it http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6128/66.abstract supposedly then the bees can pick up the magnetic fields and avoid ones others have been too12:41
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kanzure.title13:07
yoleauxDetection and Learning of Floral Electric Fields by Bumblebees13:07
kanzurepaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6128/66.abstract13:07
paperbothttp://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.123088313:07
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justanotheruserkanzure: referring to counterparty? (you can't say that in #bitcoin :) )14:27
kanzurenope, nothing counterparty-specific14:27
justanotheruserI see14:28
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kanzurenmz787_i: you don't have to build a custom dna synthesizer just to operate an online dna synthesis service.14:29
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kanzurehttp://techcrunch.com/2014/07/15/medxts-platform-brings-medical-imaging-in-line-with-todays-cloud-technology/15:21
kanzureand https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=803832015:21
kanzurejustanotheruser: but, speaking of counterparty, multi-sig doesn't work, right?15:38
justanotheruserkanzure: what? multi-sig works?15:39
justanotheruserI think counterparty moved to op_return from what I read if that's what you're asknig15:39
kanzureit does work? can you show me any evidence.15:39
kanzurenot sure if they moved to OP_RETURN after the 80/40 blowup15:40
justanotheruserkanzure: the fact that there hasn't been a hardfork in bitcoin?15:40
justanotheruserare you referring to it no longer being standard?15:40
justanotheruser(not implying it isn't standard, just that I don't know that it still is)15:41
kanzureyou are very confusing15:41
justanotheruserkanzure: heh15:41
justanotheruser"multi-sig doesn't work"15:41
kanzuretrue or false15:42
justanotheruserwhat exactly do you mean? A block containing a multi-sig transaction isn't invalid.15:42
kanzurecounterparty transactions were using multi-sig-related data15:42
justanotheruserOP_CHECKMULTISIG wasn't hardforked out15:42
kanzurethat's not what i'm claiming15:42
kanzureor asking about15:42
justanotheruseryes, that is why I was confused15:43
justanotheruserI'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but this probably answers it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg7478502#msg747850215:43
kanzure"Counterparty does not at the moment support multisig transactions" according to the interwebs15:43
justanotheruserphantomphreak post on bitcointalk15:43
kanzureok that is more recent than my link15:44
kanzurewhy do you have a random link to page 4053 in a longass thread?15:45
justanotheruserand its certainly a good thing. counterparty was hurting bitcoin scalability.15:45
justanotheruserkanzure: it is linked from elsewhere15:45
kanzurehas anybody demonstrated a multisig counterparty transaction on mainnet, testnet, or regtest?15:45
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justanotheruserI don't know15:47
justanotheruserI think the next step for counterparty is to have transaction per block15:48
justanotheruser*one transaction per block15:48
kanzurewhat's your scheme?15:49
justanotheruserThis would make it much cheaper for counterparty users15:49
justanotheruserkanzure: I've been thinking of ways to get everyone to commit to a merkle tree15:49
justanotheruserno one wants to pay obviously15:49
kanzuredo you mean, a single user initiates multiple transactions compressed into one transaction, or that any counterparty transaction is aggregated into a single transaction for all users (going through a central party to do the aggregation)?15:49
justanotheruserkanzure: centralization would make it very easy, but I want to avoid that15:50
justanotheruserjust a single OP_RETURN <merkle_root> every block15:50
kanzureper user?15:50
justanotheruserfor everything15:50
kanzurethen you might as well just tweet a hash15:51
kanzurenot very convinced of the utility of that15:51
justanotheruserwhy?15:51
justanotherusertweeting is centralized15:51
justanotheruserthis would make every blockchain app collectively have to pay the cost of storing a single hash (maybe a few thousand people pay 10 cents)15:52
justanotheruserthe problem is deciding who has to pay15:52
justanotheruserI have a few ideas, but they all have weaknesses15:53
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nmz787_ikanzure: to make money on it you do16:53
kanzurethat's also not true, because it fails to account for dna synthsizer manufacturers making money16:55
kanzurelook, it's perfectly alright to want one option for no rational reason, but don't make up wrong reasons :p16:55
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kanzurehttps://archive.org/search.php?query=EHSM17:40
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nmz787_ikanzure: dna synthesizer manufacturers don't sell DNA18:16
nmz787_ior if they do, they don't sell their devices, only the output stream18:16
nmz787_i(i.e. idt)18:16
kanzurethey do sell equipment though, which also makes money18:17
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kanzure.title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yPcJD7RVuY20:11
yoleauxHow To Properly Roll Cable20:11
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justanotheruserHello20:27
kanzurehi20:29
justanotheruserkanzure: have you read pos.pdf (proof of stake)?20:35
justanotheruserI noticed you were in peercoin20:35
kanzurei have read asic-faq.pdf20:36
kanzureand pos.pdf yes20:36
kanzureif you mean https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf20:36
justanotheruseryes20:36
kanzurei'm eager to find out when someone bothers to attack a proof of stake network20:37
justanotheruserI was considering letting people upload their peercoin wallets and paying them for it based on how much stake it used20:37
justanotherusers/stake/coindays20:37
justanotheruserof course, this would have to be after they get rid of checkpointing20:38
justanotheruserWhat is the legality of it?20:39
justanotherusermost likely gray area20:39
kanzurei'm no lawyer20:39
justanotheruserI probably could prove that I trivially made a fork that was barely shorter than the mainchain20:40
justanotheruserand that would be sufficient to prove it was attacked20:40
justanotheruser*attackable20:40
kanzurepaperbot: http://www.plantmethods.com/content/pdf/1746-4811-8-27.pdf20:45
paperbotXMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go)20:45
kanzure(some gene gun)20:45
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nmz787kanzure: any way you can think to get this up to me? http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=116866621:50
nmz787from san diego21:50
kanzurehow big? we could coerce yashgaroth21:51
kanzureyashgaroth: yo21:51
yashgarothhow big21:51
kanzurethere are pics21:51
nmz787hmm21:52
yashgarothoh haha no21:52
nmz787computer desk size21:52
kanzure"Inspection of items is NOT AVAILABLE. No one allowed onsite. "21:52
nmz7872X21:52
kanzurelooks like they will be doing the shipping and packaging21:52
nmz787it says buyer must pickup within 10 days21:53
nmz787but then on the right side gives a UPS phone #21:53
kanzuremaybe jojack21:53
yashgarothhe does have a more flexible schedule than me21:54
kanzureyou're just not clearly realizing the benefits of being unemployed and underpaid21:54
yashgarothI dream of being laid off sometimes21:56
yashgarothmmm 2 months severance and free government money21:56
kanzurehaha you expect severance htat's funny21:57
kanzure*that's21:57
nmz787i can't really tell if it's any good21:57
yashgarothhells yes...well maybe a month's worth21:57
yashgarothanyway I think the UPS number is for after you buy it, but shipping's gotta be at least a grand21:57
nmz787just found and started watching 'fat guy stuck in internet' on adultswim21:59
kanzurea grand? dna synthesizer was $60 shipping21:59
nmz787yeah21:59
nmz787i could cary the synth22:00
nmz787not this22:00
nmz787nevermind22:00
nmz787i don't want it22:00
kanzureTOO LATE22:00
yashgaroththis is pallet, not to mention the rigors of shipping delicate...oh22:00
kanzurewhat's the sugo polymer called?22:00
kanzurenot http://www.instamorph.com/about but the other thing22:00
nmz787'does not come with the box'22:03
kanzureaha, sugru22:05
kanzurehrm http://www.libremechanics.com/22:05
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kanzuremutu52891: hi22:14
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kanzureouch22:15
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nmz787it's just PDMS i think22:20
nmz787err RTV22:20
nmz787must have some other stuff in it to make it stiff22:20
nmz787prob some longer polymers or something22:20
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nmz787kanzure: took apart that spectrometer thing tonight22:30
kanzurego on22:31
nmz787i didn't get to taking apart the actual optics22:36
nmz787but it was pretty cool22:36
nmz787got lots of good pics22:37
nmz787made sure to get most of the ICs on the analog section22:37
nmz787i will start uploading the pics now22:37
nmz787anyone have experience with dichloroacetate?22:44
nmz787I feel like I heard someone in here talking about it recently22:44
nmz787or anyone know if there are bad human side effects?22:44
nmz787or dosing is hard to get right (i.e. oops the pt. died)22:45
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