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| poppingtonic | nmz787: got the paper. thank you :) | 01:29 |
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| kanzure | terraform is neat http://www.hashicorp.com/blog/terraform.html | 06:56 |
| kanzure | i'm probably biased because i got consul/serf working yesterday | 06:56 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform | 07:00 |
| kanzure | not sure if i should be using this https://github.com/hashicorp/envconsul instead of sending http requests to the local consul agent from inside my application | 07:05 |
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| kanzure | requires a restart, but i don't think all config changes should always cause a restart(?) | 07:06 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: heard of this? http://www.vtk.org/VTK/project/about.html | 09:39 |
| nmz787_i | seems this relies on that http://code.enthought.com/projects/mayavi/ | 09:40 |
| kanzure | yes i've heard of vtk | 09:42 |
| kanzure | mayavi is deprecated, i think everyone just uses mayavi2 | 09:42 |
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| archels | VTK is great | 10:01 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: that link was to mayavi2 | 10:23 |
| nmz787_i | i think they just don't consistenly call it mayavi2 | 10:23 |
| kanzure | oh, well their urls suck then | 10:23 |
| nmz787_i | archels: cheers, looking for something for some dataviz at work | 10:24 |
| nmz787_i | was thinking matplotlib might be sufficient | 10:24 |
| nmz787_i | but there is potential for 3D to work if its good 3D | 10:24 |
| nmz787_i | seems that mayavi uses opengl | 10:24 |
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| kanzure | openworm is moving to irc.snoonet.org #OpenWorm (i don't know why they use caps) | 12:04 |
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| chris_99 | cool | 12:11 |
| ParahSailin | no reddit | 12:14 |
| kanzure | openworm is not reddit | 12:15 |
| kanzure | unless.. is it? | 12:15 |
| ParahSailin | snoonet | 12:25 |
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| kanzure | "Last year, Rodger Kessler and Russ Glasgow published a paper arguing for a ten-year moratorium on randomized controlled trials on the grounds that it was time to think smarter about the kind of research we need and the kind of study designs that are appropriate for different kinds of question.[4]" | 13:34 |
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| nmz787_i | https://code.google.com/p/altdrag/ | 14:44 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 14:44 |
| yoleaux | Easily drag windows when pressing the alt key | 14:44 |
| nmz787_i | (for Windows) | 14:44 |
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| catern | windows doesn't already have that feature? how sad | 16:23 |
| dingo | oh i miss that | 16:24 |
| dingo | mac doesn't do that either | 16:24 |
| dingo | i really miss 'cwm', my favorite environment for years after switching from 'twm' | 16:24 |
| dingo | i love that oldschool shit | 16:24 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/openworm/PyOpenWorm/tree/alpha0.5 | 16:49 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: where do i find more active chat/message boards or forums than diybio for the kind of stuff i post? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | biologists hate the internet | 20:00 |
| kanzure | ##electronics is sometimes not awful, but is often awful | 20:01 |
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| nmz787 | yeah i stopped logging onto there and # or ## chemistry | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | they went pretty off topic often | 20:03 |
| kanzure | i forget why biologists hate interneting, besides the elitism | 20:03 |
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| bbrittain | biologists are just bad at the internet | 20:18 |
| bbrittain | they don't hate it per-say, they just don't know how to use it effectively | 20:20 |
| bbrittain | I wish their was a biologist version of irc | 20:20 |
| kanzure | what would be the biologist version? | 20:20 |
| kanzure | a professor yelling at you every 30 minutes? | 20:20 |
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| kanzure | gradstudentbot: where have you been? | 20:21 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, I'm just looking for a journal that will take that paper. | 20:21 |
| yashgaroth | someone asking why their western blot isn't working every five minutes | 20:21 |
| bbrittain | well, you need data propagation, no? so every student must then become a professor and yell at other people. the cycle | 20:21 |
| kanzure | gradstudentbot: why isn't the western blot blotting? | 20:22 |
| gradstudentbot | There's no way to know for sure. | 20:22 |
| bbrittain | actually, I mean it's a chicken and egg problem, right? no biologists hang out on irc.biology.net (or whatever), because no biology people hang out their. we need fake biologists to astroturf | 20:23 |
| bbrittain | there* | 20:23 |
| kanzure | no it's not chicken/egg | 20:24 |
| bbrittain | no? | 20:24 |
| kanzure | that's not the root reason | 20:25 |
| kanzure | i mean, if you've ever watched a biologist person use the interwebs, there are other things going on | 20:25 |
| bbrittain | besides ineptness? | 20:25 |
| kanzure | first, all the toxins have seriously warped their brain (perhaps for the better, who knows) | 20:25 |
| kanzure | so they think different | 20:25 |
| kanzure | they are not your comp sci grad student writing up rust on friday night | 20:25 |
| bbrittain | I've worked in bio labs before, and am about to again. biologists aren't that bad | 20:25 |
| kanzure | "i think i'll learn me a haskell for great good" nope | 20:25 |
| bbrittain | I mean, there is mediocrity everywhere. but... not all of them | 20:26 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's definitely impractical and fairly non-elegant at the same time. | 20:26 |
| kanzure | i don't mean mediocrity necessarily | 20:26 |
| kanzure | it's more like... the same dynamics as to why they hide their protocol books from everyone, | 20:26 |
| kanzure | -, | 20:26 |
| bbrittain | huh, I've never experience that. maybe uni labs are like that? | 20:27 |
| kanzure | what sort of non-uni lab were you in? | 20:27 |
| bbrittain | I worked at the National Cancer Institute for about 1.5 years | 20:28 |
| bbrittain | It's part of NIH | 20:28 |
| bbrittain | I was ignorant. I was in high school. would not repeat. | 20:29 |
| kanzure | :) | 20:29 |
| kanzure | go on | 20:29 |
| kanzure | actually i have no idea how different nih labs are | 20:29 |
| bbrittain | well, the lack of well... "drive" really bothered me. | 20:30 |
| bbrittain | and the papers. fuck papers. | 20:30 |
| * bbrittain heads off to industry | 20:30 | |
| kanzure | gradstudentbot: do you want to write a paper about that? | 20:30 |
| gradstudentbot | I am still writing a draft. | 20:30 |
| bbrittain | nothing wrong about them, but when you are delaying your work for optimum nature submission, there is a problem. | 20:30 |
| bbrittain | as well as the fact that they treated bioinformatics people like servants | 20:31 |
| gradstudentbot | I'm only doing this to get tenure. | 20:31 |
| bbrittain | EXACTLY gradstudentbot | 20:31 |
| gradstudentbot | You know, I hear you make more money being a garbage man. | 20:31 |
| gradstudentbot | Let's pour a bunch of chemlights into a spinner flask and claim it's luminescent e.coli. | 20:32 |
| gradstudentbot | Does anyone have some seaborgium for my collection? | 20:32 |
| bbrittain | nah, it turned me off bio for a few years. now I'm going back | 20:32 |
| bbrittain | we'll see how that goes | 20:32 |
| kanzure | the servitude aspect is really wacky | 20:32 |
| kanzure | it's because the whole academic institution is weirdly structured | 20:32 |
| kanzure | academic publishing is the wrong model | 20:32 |
| kanzure | interlibrary loan is a scam | 20:32 |
| kanzure | never-ending stream of clueless eager students willing to work for peanuts | 20:33 |
| bbrittain | yea, I'm aware. | 20:33 |
| kanzure | cut-throat grant environment | 20:33 |
| kanzure | oh, i am not claiming you are not aware | 20:33 |
| bbrittain | but most people aren't :P | 20:33 |
| kanzure | maybe they just need a darker, more awful version of phdcomics | 20:33 |
| bbrittain | nah, I'm working in industry in a little bit, but the initial offer was shit. They are used to those grad students who will work for peanuts. I went to them and was like... so this is how much I made in Silicon Valley, give me more moneyz. | 20:34 |
| bbrittain | yes. they do | 20:35 |
| bbrittain | but phdcomics is already dark! | 20:35 |
| yashgaroth | wait did you expect to get an SV salary in bio | 20:36 |
| bbrittain | no, obviously not | 20:36 |
| bbrittain | i've taken a pay cut | 20:36 |
| bbrittain | but, I wasn't aware of how large of a gap it was | 20:36 |
| * bbrittain is super entitled | 20:36 | |
| yashgaroth | heh | 20:37 |
| kanzure | $30k/year vs 200k/year you do the math | 20:37 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's significant. | 20:37 |
| kanzure | i missed this guy | 20:37 |
| bbrittain | grad students make less than 30k correct? | 20:38 |
| kanzure | probably | 20:38 |
| yashgaroth | stipend's gonna be under 30 | 20:39 |
| * bbrittain shudders | 20:39 | |
| yashgaroth | oh but after you graduate you start making bank in post-doc, I'm talking like 40k suckaz | 20:40 |
| kanzure | that's almost enough to get a spot under a second bridge | 20:40 |
| kanzure | wait.. i screwed that up. hrm. | 20:41 |
| bbrittain | hah, I'm about to start living with some grad students. I'm gonna feel so wealthy. | 20:41 |
| kanzure | "it's not about the money, it's about the passion" | 20:41 |
| gradstudentbot | Oh yeah, I'll pay you once my stipend posts. | 20:41 |
| kanzure | "but isn't that what they say to naive young startup employees to convince them to take zero equity?" | 20:41 |
| bbrittain | hence why I hate silicon valley | 20:41 |
| yashgaroth | don't worry, they'll never be home...well, if they hope to graduate this decade | 20:41 |
| kanzure | "well, it also works on scientists" | 20:41 |
| bbrittain | or one of the reasons | 20:41 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: i've been wondering what would happen if scientists were paid like programmers in silicon valley | 20:42 |
| kanzure | like, suppose that there was an actual market for science talent | 20:42 |
| kanzure | (not related to degrees or other bullshit) | 20:42 |
| bbrittain | well, I mean I think this is starting to happen | 20:42 |
| kanzure | i'm curious what would happen from that structure | 20:42 |
| kanzure | probably more virtual biotech companies | 20:42 |
| * bbrittain shudders | 20:42 | |
| bbrittain | I hate that idea | 20:42 |
| kanzure | oh? | 20:42 |
| kanzure | depends on what you think the idea is heh | 20:43 |
| kanzure | let's start there | 20:43 |
| bbrittain | I want every lab to have a low-cost openhardware dna-synthesizer and a sequencer. | 20:43 |
| bbrittain | thats the dream | 20:43 |
| bbrittain | not moving it to offsite facilities. | 20:43 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf | 20:44 |
| * bbrittain is looking | 20:44 | |
| gradstudentbot | My experiment was working a second ago, but now it doesn't even work. | 20:45 |
| bbrittain | I was about to be like "microfluidics"! then I scrolled down... | 20:45 |
| bbrittain | I agree | 20:47 |
| bbrittain | very small amount of hope: https://twitter.com/DNAPrototyper | 20:49 |
| bbrittain | very | 20:49 |
| kanzure | sadly they are fucking liars | 20:49 |
| kanzure | they think CC-BY-NC is "open source" | 20:49 |
| catern | sigh | 20:49 |
| catern | i hate -NC | 20:50 |
| bbrittain | 0_o | 20:50 |
| kanzure | they even say so in the fucking tweets! those assholes "We plan to make kilobaser OPEN SOURCE for NON COMMERCIAL USE!" | 20:50 |
| kanzure | it was also by email though | 20:50 |
| catern | complete perversion of the meaning of "free software" and "open source" | 20:50 |
| bbrittain | I was hoping that they meant they would have a "pro" version or one of those scams | 20:50 |
| kanzure | i can't believe people are that stupid. i refuse to believe it. | 20:50 |
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| bbrittain | huh, how well do those old synthesizers work? | 20:53 |
| bbrittain | http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLIPORE-MILLIGEN-CYCLONE-PLUS-DNA-SYNTHESIZER-/230609783184?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b16a0990 | 20:53 |
| bbrittain | could afford | 20:53 |
| kanzure | i bought an ABI 391 the other day | 20:53 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/abi391/ | 20:53 |
| kanzure | https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/94 | 20:53 |
| kanzure | haven't bought the chemicals yet.. | 20:54 |
| heath | nice | 20:54 |
| kanzure | that millipore is missing some important electronics ;) | 20:54 |
| bbrittain | I didn't look it over that closely :P | 21:01 |
| bbrittain | how much are the chemicals gonna run you? | 21:02 |
| kanzure | $2k at most? but some of them "expire" if you don't figure out storage fast enough | 21:03 |
| bbrittain | ouch | 21:03 |
| kanzure | ultimately, not sure, but i am pretty sure less than $5k | 21:03 |
| kanzure | nah not ouch | 21:03 |
| bbrittain | <- about to become a poor biologist | 21:03 |
| kanzure | by choice, even | 21:04 |
| bbrittain | seriously. what is wrong with me. | 21:04 |
| kanzure | you could buy your own postdoc biology slave | 21:08 |
| kanzure | that's what i did | 21:08 |
| * kanzure throws a snack at gradstudentbot | 21:08 | |
| gradstudentbot | That's beyond the scope of my research. | 21:08 |
| bbrittain | lolz | 21:08 |
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| nmz787 | biologist version of IRC that confuses normal people even more 'bi-irc... the bi is short for BIO!' | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | virtualbox is crashing :( | 21:44 |
| ParahSailin | biologist irc is an excel plugin | 21:44 |
| nmz787 | kinda neat http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/55959/495_ftp.pdf | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | heh | 21:54 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: do you know of the going rate for a wet-etch chem tech? i.e. someone who handles HF | 22:37 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: I heard of someone who tolerates it and might sometimes look for small gigs | 22:37 |
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| nmz787 | http://phys.org/news197555841.html | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | .title | 23:00 |
| yoleaux | Nano-sized light mill drives micro-sized disk (w/ Video) | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v5/n8/abs/nnano.2010.128.html | 23:02 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnnano.2010.128 | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Light-driven_nanoscale_plasmonic_motors_.pdf | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | http://microfluidics.utoronto.ca/dropbot/ | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | OSHW | 23:03 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i guess not, no | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/DropBot_An_open-source_digital_microfluidic_control_system_with_precise_control_of_electrostatic_driving_force_and_instantaneous_drop_velocity_measurement.pdf | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | it would be pretty nice to let someone else handle that if possible and needed | 23:05 |
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