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| superkuh | paperbot: http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/apl/96/10/10.1063/1.3357430 | 03:34 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/An%20efficient%2C%20low%20profile%2C%20electrically%20small%2C%20three-dimensional%2C%20very%20high%20frequency%20magnetic%20EZ%20antenna.txt | 03:34 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 06:47 |
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| kanzure | i still think this whole page is embarrassing https://www.transcriptic.com/blog/2014/07/15/transcriptic-platform.html | 07:03 |
| kanzure | clearly he has no copywriter | 07:04 |
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| kyknos | paperbot, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022283675902132 | 07:31 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2a6f71702219b367087ce6a5974ff38.txt | 07:31 |
| kyknos | :( | 07:31 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: i know of a ga2x thats gonna go real cheap | 09:31 |
| kanzure | how much does it cost to operate | 09:31 |
| ParahSailin | haha yeah | 09:31 |
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| ParahSailin | so, if you want to be a haxor and make your own flow cells, it could be cheap | 09:31 |
| ParahSailin | otherwise, scrap | 09:31 |
| kanzure | useful scrap? | 09:32 |
| ParahSailin | you could do a teardown | 09:32 |
| ParahSailin | i dunno | 09:32 |
| ParahSailin | maybe not easily repurposed | 09:32 |
| kanzure | would the teardown actually be useful | 09:33 |
| kanzure | what's in there that isn't already known | 09:33 |
| ParahSailin | flow cell recycling is probably the most useful thing you could do | 09:34 |
| ParahSailin | they are just little glass plates that illumina does magic on | 09:34 |
| ParahSailin | and thats your consumable cost | 09:38 |
| ParahSailin | i imagine the microscope scanner is a decent thing also, if you just wanted to take it apart | 09:39 |
| nmz787 | i'll dp | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | o | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | i'll do it! | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | the teardown | 09:40 |
| nmz787 | da fuck, it's hotter in portland than vegas today | 09:41 |
| nmz787 | 109 there supposedly | 09:42 |
| nmz787 | not having AC might be backfiring when i grt home | 09:42 |
| ParahSailin | it looks like theyll probably ask 10-20+ for it, looking at ebay | 09:42 |
| kanzure | $20k? | 09:43 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 09:43 |
| gradstudentbot | I'll be at the microscope. | 09:43 |
| nmz787 | a lot for a teardown, unless we could resell or get to use it | 09:43 |
| nmz787 | i wouldn't be opposed to driving it somewhere,e.g. the bay | 09:44 |
| nmz787 | wit mah truck | 09:44 |
| ParahSailin | regenerating flow cells is a worthy project | 09:44 |
| ParahSailin | if illumina can turn blank glass into flow cell, then so can you | 09:44 |
| nmz787 | what would consumable cost be with /without regen? | 09:45 |
| ParahSailin | its like 5k | 09:45 |
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| ParahSailin | compared to like 800 for nextseq flowcell | 09:45 |
| nmz787 | so $5k vs $5.8k? | 09:46 |
| gradstudentbot | Where are the hot plates? | 09:47 |
| ParahSailin | 5k vs 0.8k, yes | 09:47 |
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| nmz787 | so the flow cell itself is $4.2k then | 09:48 |
| nmz787 | pricey glass | 09:49 |
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| ParahSailin | oh, no the flow cell is like 5k itself | 09:49 |
| ParahSailin | the reagent vials are extra, but small cost compared to flow cell | 09:49 |
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| nmz787 | have y'all seen the nsa playset? | 09:53 |
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| chris_99 | what's that | 09:54 |
| nmz787 | saw some cool talks on diff projects that fall under the term | 09:54 |
| nmz787 | using vga/hdmi/dvi i2c for exfiltration via custom bios malware and a gsm dongle | 09:55 |
| nmz787 | and gsm cracking using rainbow tables and sdr | 09:55 |
| nmz787 | and usb to pcie/thunderbolt exfiltration | 09:56 |
| chris_99 | you can capture gsm apparently with an rtlsdr | 09:56 |
| nmz787 | (plx card/chips) | 09:56 |
| nmz787 | yep | 09:56 |
| nmz787 | even some cheap cingular cell phones | 09:56 |
| chris_99 | what do you mean by usb --> pcie | 09:56 |
| nmz787 | that you load custom firmware | 09:56 |
| nmz787 | the plx chip does it | 09:57 |
| nmz787 | it is a usb to pcie bridge | 09:57 |
| nmz787 | you can set up anf vendor/product id | 09:57 |
| nmz787 | any | 09:57 |
| chris_99 | you can convert usb to pcie?! | 09:57 |
| nmz787 | yes | 09:57 |
| nmz787 | then start dumping memory | 09:57 |
| nmz787 | via dma | 09:57 |
| chris_99 | but usb doesn't give dma access | 09:58 |
| nmz787 | pcie does | 09:58 |
| chris_99 | yeah but how would that work | 09:58 |
| nmz787 | the chip is a bridge | 09:58 |
| chris_99 | it can't be proper dma | 09:58 |
| chris_99 | then | 09:58 |
| nmz787 | itbdoes | 09:58 |
| nmz787 | it just sends the rigt packets to pcie bus | 09:58 |
| nmz787 | which were crafted and sent to the chip over usb | 09:59 |
| nmz787 | think a thunderbolt expabder | 09:59 |
| chris_99 | i can't see how that'd work tbh, do you have more info | 09:59 |
| nmz787 | expander | 09:59 |
| chris_99 | like slides | 09:59 |
| nmz787 | sure | 09:59 |
| nmz787 | nsa playset pcie usb joe fitz | 09:59 |
| nmz787 | google that | 09:59 |
| chris_99 | cheers | 09:59 |
| nmz787 | plx usb pcie | 09:59 |
| nmz787 | http://www.plxtech.com/products/expresslane/bridges | 10:00 |
| nmz787 | he had a box made to look like thunderbolt to vga, but was actually just cosmetic | 10:01 |
| nmz787 | to trick ppl into plugging in the cable | 10:01 |
| chris_99 | hmm i still haven't managed to grab the slides, it's a defcon talk? | 10:04 |
| nmz787 | ya | 10:06 |
| nmz787 | maybe not up yet | 10:06 |
| chris_99 | mmm it sounds very intriguing | 10:07 |
| chris_99 | i can only think the device driver windoze has for this pcie bridge thing, acts as a pass through | 10:07 |
| chris_99 | to memory | 10:07 |
| gradstudentbot | Oh man, that's a great scrabble word. I got to write that down. | 10:10 |
| nmz787 | nope | 10:15 |
| nmz787 | pcie needs no drivers | 10:16 |
| nmz787 | afaik from the talk | 10:16 |
| nmz787 | at least as far as the bus is concerned | 10:16 |
| chris_99 | hmmm, so in certain cases you're saying USB can provide DMA | 10:18 |
| nmz787 | with a bridge, yes | 10:20 |
| chris_99 | intriguing | 10:20 |
| nmz787 | i can't remember the driver part of it | 10:20 |
| nmz787 | there was something about osx being vulberable by default but being able to disable it | 10:21 |
| nmz787 | vtx maybe | 10:21 |
| chris_99 | you don't mean vt-d | 10:22 |
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| nmz787 | can't remember | 10:27 |
| nmz787 | apparently there is some linux source that specifically mentions disabling some endpoints on hot-plug or something | 10:27 |
| nmz787 | for security reasons | 10:27 |
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| nmz787 | https://github.com/NSAPlayset/SLOTSCREAMER | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | sweeet | 10:32 |
| chris_99 | thanks | 10:32 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you around? | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | Needs opinions | 10:39 |
| nmz787 | abt wat? | 10:40 |
| kanzure | speak | 10:40 |
| delinquentme | I'm working w a dude on some cloud infrastructure for sci compute . I don't think this is a differentiated market offering. | 10:40 |
| kanzure | it is not | 10:40 |
| kanzure | even ec2 offers free time for academic projects | 10:41 |
| delinquentme | his current interest is "making super computation easy" | 10:41 |
| kanzure | about $15k grants, approved in like a week or two | 10:41 |
| delinquentme | Oh realllly? | 10:41 |
| delinquentme | link? | 10:41 |
| kanzure | http://aws.amazon.com/education/aws-in-education-research-grants/ | 10:41 |
| delinquentme | So i keep pushing that he / we need to differentiate more | 10:42 |
| delinquentme | I REALLY like hooking up with hardware manufacturers to provide compute for their machines | 10:42 |
| delinquentme | specifically machines OTHER than sequencers | 10:42 |
| delinquentme | but really anything that requires massive spikes in processing could work ... but in talking to a few people in the space ... they're not really compute constrained | 10:43 |
| kanzure | nope | 10:43 |
| delinquentme | IE if they need it they've got it in house | 10:43 |
| kanzure | yep | 10:43 |
| delinquentme | and I keep telling him that a company like cloudera could TOTALLY do this work ... and both have pre-existing scale and tons of money | 10:44 |
| delinquentme | he seems to think they'd turn down a contract to do scientific simulations | 10:44 |
| delinquentme | ( bad sign ) | 10:45 |
| kanzure | sell docker containers to pharma companies | 10:45 |
| delinquentme | preconfigured docer containers? | 10:45 |
| delinquentme | docker * | 10:45 |
| kanzure | i don't know | 10:45 |
| kanzure | just go in yelling about openstack and repeatability or something | 10:46 |
| delinquentme | hahahaha | 10:46 |
| delinquentme | ,3 | 10:46 |
| delinquentme | kanz sometimes ihate you but sometimes you're the best | 10:46 |
| kanzure | tell them it's fda approved | 10:49 |
| delinquentme | business kinds would be impressed. engineers would try to stab me | 10:49 |
| kanzure | well it's shank or be shanked | 10:50 |
| delinquentme | I need a deploy hook / callback post instancing a # of servers ... any idea if salt supports this kanzy ? | 10:52 |
| kanzure | sorry but i'm up to my horns trying to figure out what the fuck a salt pillar is | 10:52 |
| nmz787 | a stalctite | 10:53 |
| nmz787 | ? | 10:53 |
| nmz787 | or atalagmite? | 10:53 |
| nmz787 | stalagmite | 10:53 |
| nmz787 | ugh | 10:53 |
| kanzure | http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/tutorials/pillar.html | 10:53 |
| kanzure | http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/pillar/index.html | 10:53 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, best use case is configuring all the users on a server along w dir permissions | 10:54 |
| kanzure | but why can't i do that like normal | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | you're currently using salt too? | 10:54 |
| kanzure | i am pretending to use salt | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | you mean writing it into a script or by hand? | 10:55 |
| delinquentme | you can. But the salt markup for it is hella simple | 10:55 |
| kanzure | yes, like whenever my packages get installed | 10:55 |
| delinquentme | like HTML is more complex than the salt pillar markup | 10:55 |
| kanzure | for now i think i'm sticking with consul (or etcd) | 10:55 |
| kanzure | already have consul working, i don't see a strong reason to switch to salt | 10:56 |
| gradstudentbot | You know they keep the mice in better conditions than us. | 10:56 |
| delinquentme | sometimes its good to be salty though | 10:56 |
| kanzure | what are you, a pristine cracker | 10:56 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99 vt-d | 10:58 |
| nmz787 | not vtx | 10:58 |
| chris_99 | yeah i've heard of that one | 10:58 |
| chris_99 | well this sounds all v. interesting | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | wouldn't mind trying it out | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | i bought a pci-e fpga | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | card | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | to hack my memory | 10:59 |
| gradstudentbot | Where did you put the revisions to the paper? | 11:00 |
| nmz787 | he was selling the cards for $100 with the eeprom flashed (though that is trivisl to do) | 11:02 |
| nmz787 | trivial | 11:02 |
| chris_99 | i noticed that company sells dev kits | 11:03 |
| chris_99 | are they essentially those | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | exactly | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | but something about neede | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | maybe needing to buy in bulk or be a biz | 11:03 |
| chris_99 | ah | 11:04 |
| nmz787 | not sure on that | 11:04 |
| nmz787 | maybe he just bought a lot in case he broke them | 11:04 |
| nmz787 | or anticipating selling | 11:04 |
| chris_99 | heh | 11:04 |
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| kanzure | is this the original openbci project or is it a different one? http://openbci.com/index.php/downloads | 12:21 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/caru/StenoPCB https://github.com/caru/Stenoboard http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:411189 http://utopen.com/stenoboard-kits/21-stenoboard-11-kit.html | 12:22 |
| kanzure | stalk: Emanuele Caruso <emanuele.caruso@gmail.com> | 12:22 |
| kanzure | "Second, I am curious if you could describe the difference between the traditional single-surface steno keyboard and your fancypants split steno keyboard. Would you say you type faster with it? More accurately? is it just more comfortable?" | 12:24 |
| kanzure | "The main difference is that I'm able to type for 8 hours at a stretch with no breaks at >200 wpm without getting muscle pain or fatigue. But that's what you might call industrial use. If you find yourself getting RSI problems, by all means switch to the ergonomic keyboard. If you're feeling okay, you can probably keep the single plane keyboard for now. Though there's also the StenoBoard, which is only $300 for an easily assembled kit, if you ... | 12:24 |
| kanzure | ... want a second split keyboard as a backup." | 12:24 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/progrium/registrator "A docker-consul bridge that automatically registers containers with published ports as consul services. As docker containers are started, published ports are inspected and the container gets registered as a service in consul across the cluster. As containers stop, the services are deregistered. If the default service descriptions are unsuitable, you can customize them with environment variables on the ... | 13:46 |
| kanzure | ... container." | 13:46 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: so they might be willing to get rid of that gaiix for 10k or less | 14:01 |
| kanzure | ugh | 14:01 |
| kanzure | pass | 14:01 |
| ParahSailin | heh | 14:01 |
| archels | https://ultracortex.com/opencart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=52 | 14:06 |
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| archels | "we'll just buy a 24-bit ADC and put it on our board somewhere. that shou;d give us 24 effective bits of resolution!" | 14:06 |
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| chris_99 | heh | 14:08 |
| chris_99 | nmz787, you seen this http://hackaday.io/project/956-ChipWhisperer%E2%84%A2%3A-Security-Research | 14:08 |
| chris_99 | looks v. cool | 14:09 |
| kanzure | score: 2, insightful | 14:14 |
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| poppingtonic | cool | 14:18 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: hahaha | 14:29 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8164860 | 14:29 |
| yoleaux | Glowing Plant Is One of Y Combinator’s First Biotech Startups | 14:29 |
| kanzure | how disappointing | 14:30 |
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| ParahSailin | what, you think pg is doing it for money at this point? its about cred and hype | 14:34 |
| kanzure | there's no cred there | 14:37 |
| kanzure | like, way to alienate your hackers | 14:38 |
| ParahSailin | that was the biggest indiestarter in history | 14:38 |
| kanzure | huh? | 14:38 |
| kanzure | kickstarter projects have raised like $2M and higher | 14:38 |
| ParahSailin | ok i just made that up | 14:38 |
| kanzure | nice try | 14:38 |
| bbrittain | T_T | 14:39 |
| kanzure | "our cred is being able to lie extremely well" | 14:39 |
| bbrittain | T_T | 14:39 |
| bbrittain | why YC, WHY | 14:39 |
| kanzure | because they call themselves "genome compiler" | 14:39 |
| kanzure | "so it's like, really computing or something!" | 14:39 |
| bbrittain | "built on adobe air" - back away slowly, maybe it didn't see you. | 14:40 |
| kanzure | yeah no kidding | 14:40 |
| kanzure | what a pile of shit | 14:40 |
| kanzure | i should send in a yc application that's just me and someone's dog | 14:41 |
| bbrittain | but... ginkgo is cool. :) | 14:41 |
| kanzure | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/765/b7e.jpg | 14:41 |
| kanzure | wrong! gingko is not cool. wtf? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | it's like everyone has been living under a fucking rock | 14:42 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: oh why do you think not? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | they sort of had an anti-kanzure campaign for a while | 14:42 |
| kanzure | so that wasn't cool | 14:42 |
| bbrittain | elaborate? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | it's just more of the igem snobbery | 14:42 |
| * kanzure checks logs | 14:43 | |
| kanzure | 17:38 <@kanzure> i think mac cowell made gingko's website | 14:43 |
| kanzure | 17:38 <@kanzure> http://cis-action.com/ginkgo/ | 14:43 |
| kanzure | 18:14 < delinquentme> waiiiitt what about ginko? | 14:43 |
| kanzure | 18:14 < delinquentme> i sent them an email | 14:43 |
| kanzure | 18:14 < delinquentme> and they were awesomely dismissive | 14:43 |
| kanzure | 18:14 < yashgaroth> circlejerking, more accurately | 14:43 |
| kanzure | 18:14 <@kanzure> yeah ginkgo has a history of being made up of elitist people | 14:43 |
| kanzure | 18:15 <@kanzure> to be fair, i think they all hate me because of my email spam from 2007-2008 | 14:44 |
| kanzure | 18:15 <@kanzure> they even made up up a thing.. "bishslapped" | 14:44 |
| kanzure | 18:15 < yashgaroth> maybe once you get your phd from mit they'll open up | 14:44 |
| kanzure | 19:25 < cluckj> ginkgo bioworks needs seed funding? wut | 14:44 |
| kanzure | 19:30 < kanzure> my thoughts exactly | 14:44 |
| kanzure | 19:33 < cluckj> haven't they engineered a bacteria to print money already? | 14:44 |
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| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20081007133549/http://cis-action.com/ginkgo/ | 14:45 |
| ParahSailin | a bacteria to mine bitcoin | 14:45 |
| chris_99 | heh | 14:45 |
| kanzure | yes and here's my phd | 14:45 |
| thundara | So...a company based around the same idea as openwetware?... | 14:45 |
| kanzure | it's scribbled in crayon and signed by the king of slashdot | 14:45 |
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| kanzure | openwetware.org was setup by the same people | 14:46 |
| kanzure | so that doesn't really count | 14:46 |
| kanzure | well, openwetware.org was more like drew endy i guess | 14:46 |
| kanzure | so not the same /precise/ people. but down the hall. | 14:46 |
| bbrittain | ginkgo doesn't need "seed funding" in the traditional sense, they are starting to expand now that they have core functioning products. the've never taken funding (that wasn't grants before) | 14:46 |
| thundara | Does he still work on stuff? | 14:46 |
| thundara | kanzure: ginkgo == stanford? | 14:47 |
| bbrittain | ginkgo== MIT | 14:47 |
| kanzure | i'm still strongly suspicious of this | 14:47 |
| kanzure | i mean, they accepted the fucking glowing plant scam | 14:47 |
| kanzure | so what does that say about also accepting ginkgo | 14:47 |
| bbrittain | oh, YC. yea, thats stupid | 14:47 |
| thundara | Isn't that just GFP + constituitive promoter?... | 14:48 |
| bbrittain | venture capital should never be used as a way to validate a company... although it often is | 14:48 |
| chris_99 | no | 14:48 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: that's not the problem here | 14:48 |
| thundara | Sec, getting caught up on scrollback >_> | 14:48 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: i mean, it might be a more pervasive problem, but no matter how much venture funding you raise, you still lied about your glowing poops | 14:48 |
| bbrittain | well, you mean for the glowing plant... yea. it's ridiculous. | 14:49 |
| gradstudentbot | We simply don't do enough titrations in my lab. | 14:49 |
| kanzure | gradstudentbot: do you want to submit to ycombinator with me and http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/765/b7e.jpg ? | 14:50 |
| gradstudentbot | I'm making a flamingo cell culture, but first I need to capture a flamingo, are you in? | 14:50 |
| kanzure | what | 14:50 |
| chris_99 | haha | 14:50 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: so wait, is the only reason you dislike ginkgo because they are "igem snobs"? | 14:52 |
| kanzure | there was another reason but i forget to be honest | 14:53 |
| kanzure | tom knight got angry because he was outed as a top poster | 14:55 |
| thundara | What's bad about igem? (I don't know the program personally) | 14:55 |
| kanzure | they are hostile to anything that isn't biobricks, iirc | 14:56 |
| kanzure | also they used to be hostile to non-academic groups, but have recently allowed them to enter with 2x entrance fees or something | 14:56 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: as a "top poster" to what? | 14:57 |
| thundara | Non-BB not allowed for their projects? | 14:57 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: https://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 14:57 |
| bbrittain | oh | 14:57 |
| kanzure | i wish i could find his hilarious "fairwell" email | 15:00 |
| kanzure | where he raised the middle finger to everyone | 15:00 |
| chris_99 | what's top poster mean? | 15:01 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/LdVG3WHOizI/63DQsmZ62acJ | 15:01 |
| thundara | > My startup, DomainSquatters.com | 15:02 |
| bbrittain | wait, where is his? | 15:03 |
| kanzure | hmm | 15:03 |
| kanzure | looking | 15:05 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/diybio/IzQtsi22Lws/XcBix-l7QOsJ | 15:05 |
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| bbrittain | uhh. that doesn't look so bad to me. DIYbio is full of junk | 15:10 |
| kanzure | haha | 15:11 |
| kanzure | yeah it's not bad rally | 15:11 |
| kanzure | *really | 15:11 |
| kanzure | just some hard feelings :) | 15:12 |
| gradstudentbot | I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space. | 15:12 |
| nmz787 | chris_99 ya seen it | 15:12 |
| chris_99 | the RPi demo of it seems nifty | 15:13 |
| nmz787 | my gf's lab had one i think | 15:13 |
| nmz787 | has | 15:13 |
| nmz787 | kanzure airdroid was a major disappointment | 15:13 |
| nmz787 | did. not. help. | 15:13 |
| kanzure | ouch | 15:14 |
| nmz787 | why the hell my phone requires mobile data to start a hotspot is beyond me | 15:14 |
| nmz787 | were the engineers actually retarded monkeys? | 15:14 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:14 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 15:14 |
| nmz787 | i may have to convert to apple | 15:15 |
| bbrittain | nmz787-- | 15:16 |
| bbrittain | >_< | 15:16 |
| bbrittain | why | 15:16 |
| bbrittain | what do you need? | 15:16 |
| nmz787 | android pisses me off all the time | 15:17 |
| nmz787 | drivedroid also failed | 15:17 |
| nmz787 | list is kinda long tio fingertype now | 15:18 |
| nmz787 | but i guess it's just normal shit to me, maybe advanced to the normal person | 15:18 |
| bbrittain | oh, I see your problem: it's because you are trying to use a phone like it's a real device. | 15:18 |
| bbrittain | it's not. | 15:18 |
| bbrittain | :P | 15:18 |
| kanzure | "hold on a sec let me reboot my phone" | 15:18 |
| nmz787 | i havr he htc one m8 and it's the flgagship device this year and its junk | 15:18 |
| nmz787 | removed optical stabilization for some depth sensing canera that i dont care about | 15:19 |
| nmz787 | cant do mesh | 15:19 |
| kanzure | i think a lot of the telephony/gsm/cdma/wifi stuff would be lots better if there was an open source or at least accessible firmware for those aspects | 15:19 |
| nmz787 | easily at least, def not out of box | 15:19 |
| nmz787 | cant send files via bluetooth to chromebook | 15:19 |
| kanzure | were you able to do that before? | 15:20 |
| nmz787 | couldnt get chromebook to work with drivedroid | 15:20 |
| nmz787 | idk didnt have chromebook | 15:20 |
| nmz787 | but my htc evo 4g (2010 i believe) had a much nicer camera | 15:20 |
| kanzure | chris_99: it's just email netiquette stuff :p | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | ahh, what else | 15:21 |
| chris_99 | kanzure, ah | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | flashlight doesnt work on low battery | 15:21 |
| kanzure | i am sure that camera variance is large enough to be noticable, i doubt that phones are competing on the performance of their cameras overall | 15:21 |
| nmz787 | earlier i was listening to music and snapping cam pics caused music to get choppy | 15:21 |
| kanzure | still having trouble figuring out if this stuff didn't happen to you before | 15:22 |
| nmz787 | they added another cam to this tho | 15:22 |
| nmz787 | so they were thinking of it | 15:22 |
| nmz787 | gtg | 15:24 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: why hasn't mozilla funded an open source broadband system on a chip radio doohickey | 15:27 |
| bbrittain | working on it | 15:28 |
| kanzure | any details? | 15:28 |
| bbrittain | part of the logic behind FFxOS is that we can pressure manufacturers into opening up these systems... working? not yet. | 15:29 |
| bbrittain | there is really _no_ incentive for them to do it | 15:29 |
| bbrittain | which is very frustrating | 15:29 |
| kanzure | no incentive for mozilla to do it, or no incentive for manufacturers to open up? | 15:30 |
| bbrittain | zomg. the manufacturers. I've never worked somewhere that was actually as altruistic as Mozilla | 15:31 |
| kanzure | i think that the cost of opening up is pretty big in a few cases, because of existing contracts/ip law that they might have already agreed to and already forgotten about | 15:31 |
| bbrittain | very much so | 15:31 |
| kanzure | i think that mozilla probably could come up with a handful of incentives, not to mention just brand ("hey it's the only fucking radio chip that's open source and not nsa") | 15:31 |
| bbrittain | the culture at these companies are very differnt | 15:32 |
| bbrittain | they just don't get it. they are stuck in their ways | 15:32 |
| kanzure | i mean incentives for mozilla, not the other companies heh | 15:32 |
| bbrittain | ahh. yea. | 15:32 |
| kanzure | but knowing mozilla, it would end up being a javascript-emulating chip | 15:33 |
| kanzure | "it's like sun's chip, except web 2.0ier" | 15:33 |
| bbrittain | I don't like some of the marketing strategies for FFxOS and I'm skeptical of long-term success | 15:33 |
| kanzure | go on? | 15:33 |
| bbrittain | but I agree with a lot of it's long term goals | 15:33 |
| kanzure | .wik java processor | 15:33 |
| yoleaux | "A Java processor is the implementation of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM) in hardware. In other words the bytecodes that make up the instruction set of the abstract machine become the instruction set of a concrete machine." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_processor | 15:33 |
| bbrittain | aka jazellle | 15:33 |
| bbrittain | *shudder* | 15:33 |
| kanzure | i wonder if the antenna hardware is particularly hard to manufacture for wifi, gsm, etc | 15:34 |
| bbrittain | well, adoption of FFxOS has been OK, but not as much as we would like. monetization is gonna be difficult | 15:34 |
| bbrittain | and if we can't monetize, it's gonna be difficult for mozilla to survive in a few years | 15:34 |
| bbrittain | it's not, as long as you actually mean the antenna :P | 15:35 |
| kanzure | yes the actual antenna part | 15:35 |
| kanzure | i don't know if that's etched or just a filament attachment | 15:35 |
| bbrittain | this is actually my last week at Mozilla. mixed feelings. | 15:35 |
| kanzure | kick the servo people in the rear for me | 15:35 |
| bbrittain | I do, like every day. | 15:35 |
| bbrittain | 'cause rust >> like anything | 15:36 |
| bbrittain | or, has the potential to be | 15:36 |
| gradstudentbot | So, I'll let you have my reagents when I'm done with my project. | 15:36 |
| gradstudentbot | Where are the pipettes? | 15:36 |
| bbrittain | omg. gradstudentbot is so annoying. | 15:38 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, but that was only a sample size of one. | 15:38 |
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| kanzure | sorry about that | 15:38 |
| bbrittain | ahh, np. I was just gonna hide him | 15:39 |
| kanzure | no, it's a stupid bot anyway | 15:39 |
| bbrittain | it's like an actual grad student | 15:39 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovEghdXC4tE | 15:39 |
| kanzure | .title | 15:39 |
| yoleaux | Shit Graduate Students Say | 15:39 |
| * bbrittain is so grad I've never been a grad student | 15:43 | |
| bbrittain | maybe soon though | 15:44 |
| * bbrittain has no life plan | 15:44 | |
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| kanzure | for now your goal can be to avoid becoming the guy in that video | 15:47 |
| bbrittain | well, I've worked with enough grad students to know being them sucks | 15:48 |
| bbrittain | bio ones especially | 15:48 |
| * bbrittain wonders if kanzure was ever one of them | 15:48 | |
| kanzure | i was an undergrad working in 3 labs at the same time | 15:49 |
| kanzure | dropped out of college | 15:49 |
| bbrittain | ahhh | 15:49 |
| kanzure | molecular biology, mechanical engineering, and a plant physiology biofuel group | 15:49 |
| bbrittain | well, I've always said college is overrated - I don't have a degree either... at least yet. | 15:50 |
| kanzure | although the mechanical engineering group was more like a computer science graph theory group heh | 15:50 |
| kanzure | i keep forgetting the things you claim to work on at mozilla | 15:51 |
| * dingo is a dropout also, dropout party! | 15:51 | |
| kanzure | webrtc? | 15:51 |
| bbrittain | daala, webrtc, networking, tcpinc-tls... I dunno. shit. | 15:51 |
| dingo | whos the mozilla? bbrittain ? | 15:52 |
| kanzure | bbrittain bkero etc | 15:52 |
| dingo | do you know erik rose by chance? | 15:52 |
| dingo | i know mozilla is big, just asking | 15:52 |
| bbrittain | nah, he's a remote | 15:52 |
| dingo | i think he just started working remote now in SC or some shit | 15:52 |
| bkero | Me | 15:53 |
| bkero | dingo: I do | 15:53 |
| kanzure | haha | 15:53 |
| bkero | I've been talking with him all day. | 15:53 |
| bkero | He just fucked off for dinner. | 15:53 |
| dingo | tell him dingo/jquast says hello :) | 15:53 |
| bbrittain | bkero seems to be one of those portland people... | 15:53 |
| * bbrittain is suspicious of them | 15:53 | |
| dingo | i forked his 'blessings' python project to 'blessed' and gave him a lot of grief in pull requests | 15:53 |
| bbrittain | they somehow managed to have the allhands up there... | 15:53 |
| kanzure | there's a good number of portland people in here | 15:53 |
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| dingo | i managed to double his codebase, he couldn't keep up with me | 15:53 |
| bkero | Yup | 15:53 |
| * bkero is portland people | 15:54 | |
| bkero | currently dicking around with oculus rift | 15:54 |
| bbrittain | no way. we are doing that in MV right now too in the kitchen | 15:54 |
| kanzure | any particular sort of dicking? | 15:54 |
| bbrittain | like. right now. | 15:54 |
| bkero | mv moz office? | 15:55 |
| bbrittain | ja | 15:55 |
| bkero | I'm considering making an x11 wm for it | 15:55 |
| bbrittain | ewww. | 15:55 |
| bbrittain | wayland | 15:55 |
| bbrittain | actually usable right now | 15:55 |
| bbrittain | and easy too | 15:55 |
| bbrittain | just for the basic shell | 15:56 |
| bkero | I saw it. The code's a bit bitrotted. | 15:56 |
| bbrittain | fork* | 15:56 |
| bkero | also qt | 15:56 |
| kanzure | i think the wayland.freedesktop.org maintainer is in here | 15:56 |
| kanzure | wayland is qt specific? | 15:56 |
| bbrittain | nooo | 15:56 |
| bkero | no, but the oculus rift compositor is | 15:56 |
| bbrittain | thank god noooo | 15:56 |
| kanzure | bkero: forwhy? | 15:57 |
| bbrittain | really? well qt can be used with wayland | 15:57 |
| bkero | kanzure: dunno ask him | 15:57 |
| kanzure | nsh: oculus rift tabbed browsing? | 15:57 |
| dingo | my aspirations for occulus rift are weak... i just want a good terminal emulator and vim... | 15:58 |
| bbrittain | sounds like the perfect usecase for a screen | 15:58 |
| bkero | I do terminals and browsers, yeah | 15:59 |
| dingo | i have bad eyesight, so it would let me sit back for once instead of leaning in so much hehe | 15:59 |
| bbrittain | nah, I'm joking. I totally get it. | 15:59 |
| bbrittain | dk2 is pretty impressive | 15:59 |
| bbrittain | I've heard the consumer beta is absolutely astounding. | 15:59 |
| dingo | yeah it'll be a game changer, no doubt about it | 16:00 |
| dingo | im feeling a bit too old for it myself | 16:00 |
| bbrittain | lolz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8164860 | 16:00 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: ^ | 16:00 |
| kanzure | "I funded this project on kickstart." what a moron, it's not called kickstart and nobody cares that you gave them money (you and 1000 other idiots) | 16:03 |
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| kanzure | dingo: a stenographer emailed me today and says she types 200 wpm for 8 hours straight with no breaks with this doohicker, http://www.infinitytraditional.com/infinity-ergonomic-court-w-lcd/ | 16:04 |
| dingo | ahh yes | 16:05 |
| kanzure | this might be an acceptable alternative not sure http://utopen.com/stenoboard-kits/21-stenoboard-11-kit.html | 16:06 |
| kanzure | (the plastic looks a little weak or uncomfortable) | 16:06 |
| dingo | mm that 2nd one, the black image, looks a lot like the layout of my kinesis | 16:06 |
| dingo | more focus on the thumboard section | 16:06 |
| kanzure | downside is you will be muttering "what's the key combo for 'write an angry email'?" all day every few hours | 16:08 |
| dingo | ahh i don't write angry emails anymore | 16:08 |
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| kanzure | what! | 16:08 |
| dingo | i'm on my way out any day now | 16:08 |
| kanzure | angry emails aren't just a result of employment, it's a way of life | 16:09 |
| kyknos_ | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-294x.1999.00699.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false | 16:19 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1046%2Fj.1365-294x.1999.00699.x | 16:19 |
| kanzure | hint: don't include userIsAuthenticated=false | 16:20 |
| kyknos_ | GOOD POINT | 16:21 |
| delinquentme_ | does hadoop facilitate talk between nodes? | 16:21 |
| delinquentme_ | specifically intra-compute nodes | 16:22 |
| kanzure | "Development at Google has since moved on [from hadoop mapreduce] to technologies such as Percolator, Flume and MillWheel that offer streaming operation and updates instead of batch processing, to allow integrating "live" search results without rebuilding the complete index." | 16:24 |
| dingo | millwheel i think was robert pikes project? | 16:28 |
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| dingo | looks pretty good, its like a map-reduce awk | 16:28 |
| dingo | :) | 16:28 |
| dingo | he talks about it in one of his go talks | 16:29 |
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| kanzure | dingo: give me a reason to bother with golang? | 16:29 |
| dingo | nope! it was a language that inspired golang, not go itself, hehe | 16:29 |
| kanzure | nothing about golang looks /bad/ but i do not feel particularly compelled yet | 16:29 |
| bbrittain | really? it doesn't verify *anything* about multi-thread memory safety | 16:30 |
| bbrittain | no generics | 16:30 |
| bbrittain | not actually fast | 16:30 |
| bbrittain | I see no compelling reason for it at all | 16:30 |
| bbrittain | besides the cute mascot | 16:30 |
| kanzure | so, i haven't looked into golang criticisms at all yet | 16:31 |
| kanzure | but i do remember googlers were complaining about everything else being inefficient (which i thought was an odd claim) | 16:31 |
| ParahSailin | go is efficient at compiling | 16:31 |
| kanzure | i also don't remember what they were comparing to- maybe java- in which case lots of purpose-specific things can outrun that | 16:31 |
| ParahSailin | maybe efficient for strangers to pick up code and maintain it | 16:32 |
| kanzure | ehh is it? i was looking at some golang code the other day and was not very amused. | 16:32 |
| ParahSailin | it takes the "only one way to do it" to extremes, even enforcing whitespace rules | 16:33 |
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| ParahSailin | of course its really low level and verbose is you get out of the domain it is useful in, which must be pretty limited | 16:33 |
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| kanzure | the gripe i had about rust when i tried it was the standard library was lacking | 16:34 |
| ParahSailin | it doesnt have a decent bigint library yet | 16:35 |
| ParahSailin | which i guess is partly because mozilla doesnt want to link to gmp | 16:35 |
| ParahSailin | also i dont think it even has semantics around epoll yet? | 16:36 |
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| ParahSailin | at least rust is using some concepts developed in computer science from less than 40 years ago | 16:38 |
| bkero | bbrittain: Are you on the moz vr team? | 16:39 |
| bbrittain | bkero: hah, no | 16:39 |
| bbrittain | bkero: https://phonebook.mozilla.org/#search/bbrittain@mozilla.com | 16:41 |
| jrayhawk | "15:58 < kanzure> i think the wayland.freedesktop.org maintainer is in here" there are a lot of maintainers | 16:42 |
| kanzure | okie dokie | 16:43 |
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| kyknos_ | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mec.12234/abstract | 16:58 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f8be5de78d0078a95d999e5f9095f22.txt | 16:58 |
| dingo | 19:33 < ParahSailin> go is efficient at compiling | 16:59 |
| dingo | also very easy to deploy | 16:59 |
| dingo | just a single static binary | 16:59 |
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| newbee | hello | 17:15 |
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| Guest19104 | hello | 17:22 |
| Guest19104 | Installed wxPython from rpm | 17:34 |
| Guest19104 | tried to find the rpm and finally I got rpm file for my OS as well. Installation was good..but when I do python >>> import wx Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/__init__.py", line 45, in ? from wx._core import * File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/_core.py", line 4, in ? import _core_ Impo | 17:34 |
| bbrittain | uhhh. Guest19104 probably wrong channel. | 17:35 |
| nmz787 | yo | 17:40 |
| nmz787 | guest whatever i told to come hete | 17:40 |
| nmz787 | here | 17:40 |
| nmz787 | bbritain | 17:41 |
| nmz787 | kanzure any ideas re good links on teaching her how to compile or install on linux? | 17:41 |
| bkero | dingo: he sez hi back | 17:42 |
| dingo | without any cuss words? :) | 17:43 |
| bbrittain | Guest19104, nmz787: probably a good first step would be to upgrade to a recent python version | 17:44 |
| bbrittain | at least a 2.6.* | 17:44 |
| kanzure | nmz787: compilation can be handled by reading gcc manual? | 17:44 |
| * bbrittain rolls eyes | 17:44 | |
| kanzure | hm? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | i can't telepathically transmit all my knowledge about "compile or install on linux" | 17:45 |
| kanzure | that's a huge topic? | 17:45 |
| dingo | yeah its more like "lets share screens and i'll figure it out and explain it when I'm done" | 17:45 |
| dingo | hard to do that kind of stuff over irc conversation | 17:45 |
| kanzure | i wish people were more upfront about requests for that | 17:45 |
| bbrittain | it's also not a very helpful response though, it's like saying go google it. | 17:47 |
| bbrittain | it comes off as dismissive, even if understandable. | 17:47 |
| bbrittain | nmz787, Guest19104: what is the endgoal of this? | 17:50 |
| dingo | i guess Guest19104 is learning/wanting to make a python gui program? | 17:51 |
| Guest19104 | python version is 2.7 | 17:51 |
| dingo | Guest19104: is this CentOS or RedHat linux, by chance? | 17:51 |
| bbrittain | probably fedora, yes? | 17:52 |
| dingo | instead of 'python', try 'python2.7' | 17:52 |
| Guest19104 | yes I want to build a GUI Application using wxPython | 17:52 |
| Guest19104 | Its Linux 2.6.18 | 17:53 |
| bbrittain | well, update then | 17:53 |
| dingo | naw forget that, that'll open a whole new can of worms! | 17:53 |
| dingo | gosh that is like 8 years old, too :) | 17:54 |
| bbrittain | hence it being problem #1 | 17:54 |
| bbrittain | but... this is like 100% off-topic | 17:54 |
| dingo | i thought this was the IT support channel | 17:54 |
| dingo | i always come here to trick kanzure into solving interesting problems | 17:55 |
| dingo | i think Guest19104's problem just isn't interesting -- thats the problem | 17:55 |
| nmz787 | sshe seems new in general to compuling | 17:55 |
| bbrittain | there is no compiling going on here | 17:55 |
| nmz787 | figured someone here would know where to point her as a newb | 17:55 |
| bbrittain | to #python | 17:55 |
| nmz787 | there was | 17:55 |
| nmz787 | in a google group discussion | 17:56 |
| nmz787 | but they werent as smart as ppl here | 17:56 |
| kanzure | ugh | 17:56 |
| bbrittain | Guest19104: go join #python, they can help | 17:56 |
| bbrittain | Guest19104: or even #wxpython | 17:57 |
| Guest19104 | ?? | 17:57 |
| Guest19104 | horrible group | 17:57 |
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| nmz787 | wxPython RC is dead | 17:59 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: i don't even know where to begin mocking all of this | 17:59 |
| nmz787 | irc | 17:59 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: I should have never engaged | 17:59 |
| dingo | i privmsg'd Guest19104 my offer for help for the next hour, if Guest19104 can figure out how to find private msgs :) but we can't continue this here | 17:59 |
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| kanzure | bbrittain: well maybe, but the root cause here is nmz787 | 18:00 |
| dingo | im just babysitting PyInstaller builds for windows right now anyway | 18:00 |
| dingo | PyInstaller :) way harder than wxPython | 18:00 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: it's not the newbie's fault for showing up in here | 18:00 |
| * bbrittain glares at nmz787 | 18:00 | |
| kanzure | well i was hoping for help explaining to nmz787 why that's a bad idea, not only glaring | 18:01 |
| kanzure | (but glaring is acceptable) | 18:01 |
| * bbrittain glares angrily at nmz787 | 18:01 | |
| kanzure | hah | 18:01 |
| bbrittain | better? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | well it's like showing up in #firefox and asking them to help with llvm because "you guys are pretty smart" | 18:01 |
| bbrittain | every. single. day. | 18:02 |
| kanzure | oh that happens huh | 18:03 |
| bbrittain | thankfully it takes some level of ability to add irc.mozilla.org to your irc client | 18:03 |
| kanzure | "how am i bookmark? devs pls respond" | 18:03 |
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| kanzure | i guess that's vaguely browser related | 18:03 |
| kanzure | damn | 18:04 |
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| bbrittain | I'm a big fan of bars simple tests to gain access to groups | 18:04 |
| bbrittain | can you compile? you may join #llvm | 18:05 |
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| bbrittain | actually, the most worthwhile channels I am on are not on freenode... because it is too easy to get here | 18:05 |
| bbrittain | OFTC ftw | 18:05 |
| dingo | i thought about making a "hacker's test" as part of the application for an account on my telnet/ssh bbs :) | 18:05 |
| kanzure | that's hard to do for this channel, because it would cut off most of the biology lizards | 18:06 |
| bbrittain | I mean, the bar needs to be incredibly low in my opinion... but the amount of people it will keep away is astounding. | 18:06 |
| bbrittain | how many of them actually are here anyways? | 18:06 |
| bbrittain | I only ever see tech talk | 18:06 |
| kanzure | three or four | 18:06 |
| dingo | i stay on efnet because of its maturity, everybody there is minimum age 30 for the most part, its quiet but its good conversations. | 18:07 |
| kanzure | "i stay on irc because of its maturity" butthead | 18:07 |
| kanzure | hehe | 18:07 |
| dingo | shutup or i'll hack your channel! | 18:07 |
| dingo | and ddos you | 18:08 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: let's ddos glowing plant and demand a ransom | 18:08 |
| bbrittain | the way to actually get them involved would be to not use IRC | 18:10 |
| bbrittain | hmmm | 18:10 |
| kanzure | well, it's not like i'm interested in hearing 100 grad students tell me how doing anything outside a lab is illegal | 18:10 |
| bbrittain | wait. wat. | 18:10 |
| bbrittain | really? do they do that? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | there's a bunch of trolls on the diybio list | 18:11 |
| kanzure | angry people who are angry that they had to go through academia to get their "credibility" | 18:11 |
| bbrittain | pshaw. I'm not gonna do that. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | not all of them do that, of course | 18:12 |
| bbrittain | I've always wondered where the YCnews clone of biology is | 18:12 |
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| bbrittain | is there one? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | didn't we already have this conversation | 18:12 |
| bbrittain | maybe? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | and i claimed something about biologists hating interneting | 18:12 |
| bbrittain | seems plausible | 18:12 |
| bbrittain | yea | 18:12 |
| bbrittain | we did | 18:13 |
| bbrittain | I forgot how that convo started | 18:13 |
| kanzure | probably someone complaining about no forums | 18:13 |
| bbrittain | but... but... HOW DO WE MAKE THEM DO IT | 18:13 |
| kanzure | what about blackmail? | 18:13 |
| bbrittain | I'm of the opinion that one of the reasons that tech has exploded at such a rate is that it is inherently linked to increased communication. | 18:14 |
| bbrittain | in particular communication that is open | 18:14 |
| bbrittain | how do we get the biotech people onboard | 18:14 |
| bbrittain | ?? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure that's a real problem | 18:15 |
| kanzure | i mean, go look at the quality of "discussion" at bioforums or w/e | 18:15 |
| kanzure | totally boring useless crap | 18:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/index.php | 18:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/topic/29628-celecoxib-forms-crystals-when-diluted-in-rpmi-how-do-i-avoid-this/ | 18:15 |
| kanzure | and nobody can type a reply worth a damn | 18:15 |
| bbrittain | :( | 18:16 |
| bbrittain | so the community sucks | 18:16 |
| bbrittain | well, also the focus of the site is wrong, there is no culture | 18:17 |
| bbrittain | nor does it seem to facilitate it | 18:17 |
| kanzure | what would you expect the culture to be | 18:17 |
| bbrittain | like HN of 3 years ago please. | 18:18 |
| bbrittain | :D | 18:18 |
| kanzure | there's culture there, but i dunno about community | 18:18 |
| bbrittain | hah, well it's hard to not have a culture | 18:19 |
| bbrittain | huh, I wonder if the abrasiveness of the early tech community was a net positive. an abrasive (diy)biotech community might keep out the problem ppl | 18:20 |
| kanzure | there was a wonderfully abrasive core group of people in diybio, but then a bunch of assholes that wanted to include everyone (including people that weren't interested in diybio) | 18:21 |
| kanzure | s/was/is | 18:22 |
| kanzure | there are very different "market structures" at play in the biology world | 18:22 |
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| kanzure | like, for one, the secrecy of different competing labs, keeping everything on paper in notebooks that you have to return to the school when you leave, etc | 18:23 |
| kanzure | never-ending stream of incoming students | 18:23 |
| bbrittain | damn. maybe I should actually read the diybio lists. they always seemed like junk | 18:23 |
| kanzure | like any other feed, there are good contributors and then there are boring contributors | 18:23 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: so what is needed then is "simply" a stronger open/libre culture, no? | 18:25 |
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| kanzure | honestly i have no idea | 18:27 |
| bbrittain | but... I just want a biology hackernews I can waste time on | 18:31 |
| kanzure | well, at minimum, you will have to make sure that the "press release frenzi" stays the hell away | 18:32 |
| kanzure | because that is just damaging and deadly | 18:32 |
| bbrittain | yea... | 18:33 |
| bbrittain | step one: acquire code. step two: acquire legetimate orginization to attach name to a la HN style. step three: acquire 10-15 people. step four: tell them not to advertise | 18:34 |
| kanzure | i think hacker news is a good idea for lead generation for their venture capital plans | 18:34 |
| kanzure | i am pretty surprised that nobody else has caught on to that strategy | 18:34 |
| bbrittain | it's genius | 18:35 |
| kanzure | like, not even the major non-profits? | 18:35 |
| bbrittain | well, really I hate that aspect of YC | 18:35 |
| kanzure | hm? | 18:35 |
| bbrittain | VC pisses me off | 18:35 |
| bbrittain | not like I'm about to go join a startup anyways | 18:35 |
| kanzure | oh, well it might be an annoying debasement of human decency, but still genius | 18:36 |
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| bbrittain | as a way of minimizing risks for the companies that inevitably wind up buying them (assuming success)? yes. | 18:37 |
| bbrittain | ex: google, fb | 18:37 |
| kanzure | i meant hacker news, not the venture capital game itself | 18:37 |
| bbrittain | ahh yes | 18:37 |
| bbrittain | I view bio-HN as the same but with an academia bent (unfortuntly) | 18:38 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: hmmm, I know you hate them, but would you use a news.ginkgobioworks.com? or a news.genomecompiler.com? | 18:40 |
| bbrittain | assuming it existed | 18:40 |
| kanzure | i wouldn't be opposed to stalking them | 18:41 |
| * bbrittain rolls eyes | 18:42 | |
| bbrittain | that wouldn't be helpful | 18:42 |
| kanzure | heh | 18:42 |
| kanzure | i might go for one from transcriptic | 18:45 |
| bbrittain | ugh. really? out of all of these companies you like transcriptic? | 18:46 |
| bbrittain | it's cool. I would never use one from genomecompiler either though | 18:47 |
| kanzure | "like" heh | 18:47 |
| bbrittain | transcriptic is ease of use at the cost of centralization. which is bad | 18:48 |
| bbrittain | it'll make the inevitable regulation that much easier | 18:48 |
| kanzure | i agree that the centralization they are pimping is bad, but that has sort of already happened | 18:49 |
| kanzure | and also i dunno if the market can support the opposite. not sure. | 18:49 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.youtube.com/user/AncestryFoundation/videos piles of new videos today | 18:50 |
| bbrittain | do you work at one of these companies, or are you pure diyer? | 18:51 |
| kanzure | i do not work at those companies | 18:51 |
| kanzure | i prefer open source hardware in general, and i'm particularly fond of people doing things on their own | 18:52 |
| bbrittain | "these" | 18:52 |
| kanzure | erm, i do independent contracting to fling code at various software companies | 18:52 |
| nmz787 | OMG back to my laptop!!! | 18:53 |
| nmz787 | sorry to piss you off bbrittain but it is actually kinda neat that it stirred up so much activity :) | 18:54 |
| nmz787 | last few weeks have been a little slow IMO | 18:54 |
| kanzure | that's not neat, you moron anyone can fucking troll better than that | 18:54 |
| nmz787 | ? | 18:54 |
| nmz787 | I wasn't trolling | 18:54 |
| kanzure | stirring up activity that is off topic is not trolling? | 18:54 |
| nmz787 | just that I know the ppl in here /could/ help | 18:54 |
| kanzure | you have a really weird definition of trolling | 18:55 |
| nmz787 | everyone talks about software all the time in here | 18:55 |
| kanzure | anyway, i'm just informing you that you could potentially troll better if you actually put your mind to it | 18:55 |
| nmz787 | oh ya | 18:55 |
| nmz787 | i been trolling since i was in preschool | 18:55 |
| kanzure | wait is that disgusting? | 18:55 |
| nmz787 | I reformed mostly, before I met you | 18:56 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with people knowing about software anyway | 18:57 |
| nmz787 | I guess I shouldn't have mentioned anything | 18:57 |
| nmz787 | maybe you would have posted some real links | 18:58 |
| kanzure | huh? | 18:58 |
| nmz787 | featuring keywords like 'howto' and such | 18:58 |
| nmz787 | 'tutorial' | 18:58 |
| nmz787 | why do I get the blame? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | well at the moment because just saying "howto" doesn't explain anything to me | 18:59 |
| nmz787 | re the guest earlier | 18:59 |
| kanzure | i am completely unaware of any generic tutorial about "compiling and installing on linux" that would be both correct and actually helpful | 19:00 |
| * bbrittain still hasn't stopped glaring at nmz787 | 19:00 | |
| * nmz787 is immune to glaring | 19:00 | |
| * nmz787 continues eating his food-cart indian food platter | 19:01 | |
| kanzure | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal | 19:08 |
| kanzure | "A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People From Being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Publick,[1] commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, is a Juvenalian satirical essay written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729. Swift suggests that the impoverished Irish might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food for rich gentlemen and ladies.[2]" | 19:09 |
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| bbrittain | lol, I'm reading the diybio mailing lists | 21:01 |
| bbrittain | and a post? | 21:01 |
| bbrittain | kanzure, first to respond | 21:01 |
| kanzure | "and a post?" what? | 21:03 |
| bbrittain | sorry, I'm reading it through google groups like a scrub right now | 21:04 |
| bbrittain | an email | 21:04 |
| bbrittain | I approve | 21:04 |
| kanzure | i generate a lot of email | 21:04 |
| kanzure | sort of hated for it | 21:04 |
| bbrittain | it's like "we are making this open source", and you come in and are like "LIES" | 21:05 |
| kanzure | well someone has to call them on their bullshit | 21:05 |
| bbrittain | strongly approve | 21:05 |
| bbrittain | sooooon I will have a 100% free software/open hardware laptop. and it will be amazing. | 21:05 |
| bbrittain | novena ftw | 21:06 |
| kanzure | even wifi? | 21:06 |
| bbrittain | ya | 21:06 |
| kanzure | details? | 21:06 |
| bbrittain | well... the SSD won't be | 21:06 |
| bbrittain | but... we can pretend | 21:06 |
| bbrittain | raw board: https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop | 21:06 |
| bbrittain | made by xobs & bunnie | 21:06 |
| bbrittain | then I'm making a carbon fiber case | 21:06 |
| kanzure | oh right bunnie isn't dead | 21:06 |
| bbrittain | and only sourcing open hardware for the rest | 21:07 |
| bbrittain | It'll be a shit laptop... but so awesome | 21:07 |
| bbrittain | all these bio people I'm gonna be working with are gonna be so confuzeled. so will TSA | 21:07 |
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| kanzure | soon you will be contributing gradstudentbot lines with the best of them | 21:08 |
| bbrittain | nah, I shouldn't have to deal with any grad students. I swear I'll never go to a bio academia lab | 21:09 |
| bbrittain | again | 21:09 |
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| kanzure | oh i thought that's where you were going? | 21:10 |
| bbrittain | naaaah | 21:10 |
| kanzure | mozbio? | 21:10 |
| bbrittain | haha, I can't tell you. you would harsh on me way too much | 21:10 |
| kanzure | don't deny me my uh.. something. | 21:11 |
| bbrittain | nah, I'm about to start working at Ginkgo. :P | 21:12 |
| * bbrittain waits for the dislike to boil over | 21:12 | |
| kanzure | btw you may prefer reading diybio in reverse | 21:12 |
| kanzure | oh dude you're totally going to have to prank tom knight for me | 21:12 |
| bbrittain | haha | 21:12 |
| kanzure | put a woofie cushion on his chairs | 21:12 |
| bbrittain | he was out of town when I went to go interview. I'm looking forward to meeting him | 21:13 |
| kanzure | hmm where did the email archive go | 21:14 |
| kanzure | 141 MB http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio.maildir.tar.gz | 21:15 |
| bbrittain | downloadin' | 21:15 |
| bbrittain | I hate my internet so much. thats gonna be the best part of going to boston | 21:16 |
| bbrittain | you'd think SV would have good internet | 21:16 |
| bbrittain | NOPE | 21:16 |
| kanzure | all the cool kids just use ec2 | 21:16 |
| bbrittain | ok. opinions on Ryan Bethencourt? | 21:16 |
| kanzure | worth meeting | 21:17 |
| bbrittain | really? he keeps coming of as a tool | 21:17 |
| kanzure | yes but he's a useful tool | 21:17 |
| bbrittain | problem #1) posting articles on linkedin | 21:17 |
| kanzure | and i haven't seem him wrong, iirc | 21:17 |
| bbrittain | some of us don't even have a linkedin. | 21:17 |
| kanzure | oh, don't judge him by his emails his emails are boring and dumb | 21:18 |
| bbrittain | and his tweets | 21:18 |
| bbrittain | I'll keep that in mind though | 21:18 |
| bbrittain | sorry for all the questions. I'm trying to immerse myself in this stuff | 21:26 |
| kanzure | no, everyone else should be apologizing | 21:27 |
| bbrittain | for what? not immersing themselves? | 21:28 |
| kanzure | pretty much | 21:28 |
| bbrittain | or for not responding to my attempted immersion | 21:28 |
| kanzure | nah they should be welcome to ignore you | 21:28 |
| bbrittain | excellent. I would highly advise it :P | 21:29 |
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| bbrittain | I keep seeing nmz787 on these emails as well | 21:33 |
| kanzure | yes he is a person that exists | 21:33 |
| kanzure | that's where we abducted him | 21:33 |
| bbrittain | lol at nmz787 trying to form an iGem team at RIT. thats never gonna work. too much co-ops and apathy | 21:34 |
| nmz787 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTL2Ug6llE | 21:38 |
| kanzure | "I don't know whose idea this was, but I don't think they thought it through very well." | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: that was like 5 years ago | 21:38 |
| kanzure | .title | 21:38 |
| yoleaux | ScienceCasts: The Sound of Earthsong | 21:38 |
| kanzure | nmz787: he reads fast | 21:38 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: you know joey bullard? | 21:39 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: I'm only back till january. I'm slow. but he made an irritated iGem comment about it at Ellen Jorgesun | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | idk the name offhand | 21:40 |
| kanzure | reading in that order seems a little backwards | 21:41 |
| bbrittain | genspace founder | 21:41 |
| kanzure | if you read the other direction, you would see how genspace started | 21:41 |
| kanzure | and when ellen got involved | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: do you know tom knight? | 21:41 |
| bbrittain | I know that history | 21:41 |
| bbrittain | I've met ellen | 21:41 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: not yet :P | 21:41 |
| bbrittain | gimme 2 weeks | 21:41 |
| kanzure | and a woofie cushion | 21:41 |
| bbrittain | I'll flip reading directions now that your archive is downloaded | 21:42 |
| kanzure | not sure what to suggest you for that. notmuch? | 21:43 |
| bbrittain | vim | 21:44 |
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| kanzure | stdout, duh | 21:44 |
| bbrittain | probably easier tbh | 21:44 |
| bbrittain | ahh. starts off with Jason Kelly. I know these people :P | 21:45 |
| nmz787 | are you starting from the beginnning? | 21:45 |
| nmz787 | or the end? (when does that end?) | 21:46 |
| bbrittain | beginning I think? It's 2008 | 21:46 |
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| bbrittain | omg. I'm gonna need to write a script to parse this or something | 21:46 |
| kanzure | haha 2008 "[Hplusroadmap] Fwd: Re: Garagista Protocols and Equipment" | 21:46 |
| bbrittain | this is unreadable | 21:46 |
| kanzure | i keep forgetting that hplusroadmap was pre-diybio | 21:47 |
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| bbrittain | damn. what was I doing back then | 21:50 |
| kanzure | mining bitcoin | 21:51 |
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| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_antenna | 21:51 |
| kanzure | .wik plasma antenna | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | sooo, it mentions solid-state versions | 21:52 |
| yoleaux | "A plasma antenna is a type of radio antenna currently in development in which plasma is used instead of the metal elements of a traditional antenna. A plasma antenna can be used for both transmission and reception." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_antenna | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | sounds like the perfect compliment to sdr | 21:52 |
| kanzure | did you ever end up meeting gene_hacker | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: you went to RIT? | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | or are now? | 21:54 |
| bbrittain | still, kinda | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | me too :P | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | 3 classes left | 21:55 |
| bbrittain | haha, you should wrap that up | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | it's getting there | 21:55 |
| bbrittain | I'm taking a year off to work for ginkgo | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | they're tried that on me | 21:55 |
| kanzure | what? | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | I think I went to JBEI that year instead | 21:56 |
| bbrittain | I'll probably graduate | 21:56 |
| bbrittain | my parents would murder me if I didn't | 21:56 |
| kanzure | murder them first, problem solved | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | i actually still need the english 101 type class | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | like the one I should have taken the very first quarter | 21:57 |
| bbrittain | haha, you know semesters now :D | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | they don't care for me | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | i just have to replace with the same classes | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | i left just before semesters started | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | i need a calc b/2 class, and an analytical chem class... since the time I took it i didn't do any of the writeups at all. Got great yields and results on experiments though! | 21:59 |
| bbrittain | semesters are awful | 21:59 |
| bbrittain | I've only done one | 21:59 |
| bbrittain | but it was awful | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | quarters were OK | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | they were kinda too quick | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | in some cases | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | everyone always complained about long classes that were like 3+ hours long | 22:00 |
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| nmz787 | but I prefer them generally over 2x or 3x a week | 22:00 |
| bbrittain | same | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | I also tend to hate non-project-based homework | 22:01 |
| bbrittain | which is why I just don't do them | 22:01 |
| nmz787 | or homework that is using some shitty software/reporting standard | 22:01 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 22:01 |
| bbrittain | I told my physics teacher I wasn't gonna install flash to do his demos | 22:01 |
| bbrittain | he was ok with it. he was an emacs user | 22:02 |
| bbrittain | all of his slides were done with beamer :P | 22:02 |
| bbrittain | nah RIT is OK. | 22:04 |
| bbrittain | I'm glad not to be there right now there | 22:04 |
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| bbrittain | nmz787: are you gonna go back? | 22:07 |
| bbrittain | is there any point to going back? | 22:07 |
| kanzure | not having to murder parents? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | otherwise no | 22:10 |
| bbrittain | hmm. is it possible nmz787 posts more on diybio than kanzure?? | 22:12 |
| bbrittain | s/posts/emails/ | 22:13 |
| kanzure | yeah he's sent about 800 emails more than me | 22:14 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!aboutgroup/diybio | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | oO | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | stats | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: nah I live in Oregon full-time | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | I can do it all locally, I just don't really see much point in geting it done fast | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | I have other things to do | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | I've been doing one class per quarter/semester | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | taking the summer off | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | :P | 22:15 |
| bbrittain | noice | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | but I work at Intel | 22:16 |
| nmz787 | and my quest for The One Strand | 22:16 |
| nmz787 | my precious | 22:16 |
| nmz787 | nice, we are the top 2 posters | 22:18 |
| nmz787 | who was unknown? | 22:18 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: have you got these stats manually from the archive? | 22:18 |
| bbrittain | huh, I wonder what the ginkgo people think of you all | 22:18 |
| kanzure | they think pretty negatively of me | 22:19 |
| kanzure | considering i pissed off tom knight | 22:19 |
| bbrittain | I'll let you know what institutionalized "diybio" has to say | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | I can see why mega is 4th | 22:19 |
| kanzure | probably cathal | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | but 3rd must be Cathal | 22:19 |
| kanzure | since he went all rogue and deleted his gmail account blah blah blah | 22:19 |
| kanzure | "fuck the feds!!!1oneoneone eurodance forever" | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | I came to that independently, I think... so that seems to add validity | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | (I totally could have been subconsciously influenced while alt-tabbing) | 22:20 |
| kanzure | well the other reason it makes sense is because cathal is not elsewhere on the list | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | my logic also | 22:20 |
| bbrittain | delete gmail +1 | 22:20 |
| bbrittain | host your own | 22:20 |
| kanzure | yeah but you don't have to do that while pimping eurodance | 22:20 |
| kanzure | some of us have refined musical tastes | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | some dude told me he pwned google audio capcha but on the demo day they changed their capchas | 22:21 |
| kanzure | like pop eurodance thank you very much | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | something that made his ANN stop working | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | which I wonder, if it was an ANN, shouldn't it be easy to add new training? | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | not that I've had great experience with ANNs | 22:21 |
| kanzure | weighted perceptrons don't necessarily respond well to all new types of data | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | the one i did was backprop something | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: diybio was pretty much my answer to RIT not fully satisfying | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | RIT was/is good though | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | I did a year of CS, took some semiconductor labs and lectures | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | had a job with Jon Schull for a while and got to 'innovate' all over campus (generally increasing my access to resources) | 22:24 |
| * bbrittain is actually a CS major | 22:24 | |
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| nmz787 | that was all in addition to the core biotech | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | with most of the lab courses there except for plant biotech and the bioremediation/fermentation course | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | (biotech lab courses) | 22:25 |
| bbrittain | I'd like to see an iGem team there | 22:26 |
| bbrittain | but I don't see that working out with co-ops | 22:26 |
| nmz787 | probably a lot of other stuff I don't remember | 22:26 |
| kanzure | why igem though. | 22:26 |
| kanzure | why not non-biobrick stuff | 22:27 |
| bbrittain | biobrick is a good standard | 22:27 |
| kanzure | have you ever used a biobrick | 22:27 |
| bbrittain | yes | 22:27 |
| kanzure | have you ever used a non-biobrick | 22:27 |
| kanzure | like regular old gene stuff | 22:27 |
| bbrittain | yes... but I wouldn't say what I used was standardized | 22:27 |
| bbrittain | well yes | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | why standardize though? why not just perfect writing arbitrary high-fidelity DNA | 22:28 |
| kanzure | standardization can be useful | 22:29 |
| bbrittain | it's simply standards. there is nothing harmful about that, and there is good in decreasing cognitive load | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | I guess from a software perspective | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | or engineering | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | I mean in the lab | 22:30 |
| bbrittain | more or less how I think of things | 22:30 |
| bbrittain | minimal benefit | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | I guess that may be a different module from what you're talking about | 22:30 |
| bbrittain | I understand why you would be anti-igem, it is an orginization that is academia centered | 22:31 |
| bbrittain | and biobricks... I imagine getting them is very had | 22:31 |
| bbrittain | hard* | 22:31 |
| bbrittain | but isn't there a biobricks foundation? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | the biobricks foundation is just drew endy | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | can you suppress nerve pulses with something highly temporal? i.e. it can be modulated on-demand | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | psh | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | no one is really anti-academic | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | it's just anti-they-way-it-generall-goes-down | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | generally* | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | i guess the institution? | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | which may be malleable somewhat, but most often seems not | 22:33 |
| bbrittain | like, isn't the point of biobricks to become a standard for synth bio engineering? | 22:34 |
| kanzure | one of my professors was extremely anti-biobrick http://ellingtonlab.org/blog/2012/11/09/on-apologetics/ | 22:34 |
| nmz787 | I love being a student though, I get papers! | 22:34 |
| bbrittain | it's great | 22:34 |
| nmz787 | that's like saying objects or classes or structs are great though. It's old news. | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | ZOMG a database! | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | at least that's what the media makes of it | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | they also don't really have any non-competition purchasing options. | 22:36 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: wait. wat. did you compete that year? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | "Now, these kids, they’re such crazy idealists. If you’re not a liberal when you’re young, you don’t have a heart, and if you’re not a conservative when you’re older, you don’t have a shotgun, amiright? They actually had a slide (which mercifully the judges did not ask to see) in which they thought they rationally set out some reasons for a different standard. It included, in part:" | 22:37 |
| kanzure | "“…unfortunately it was rejected due to multiple illegal restriction sites. Our assembled operon came from a 13 kb segment, a size that will almost invariably contain illegal sites. In smaller constructs, it may be viable to change these sites, but as iGEM projects become more ambitious in size and scope, this becomes less and less feasible. And now, since we have Gibson assembly and other next-gen methods, the traditional assembly ... | 22:37 |
| nmz787 | at least they used to not, but I was turned off basically when the costs were several thousands of dollars and the Science college was hella poor compared to all the other RIT colleges... so we were priced out due to lack of grants for it basically. | 22:37 |
| thundara | kanzure: I saw ellington give a talk last year, smart guy | 22:37 |
| kanzure | ... standards have become unnecessary, and mutating away restriction sites has become a waste of time, and we have been thinking about ways to improve it. Is it time for a new standard?”" | 22:37 |
| kanzure | nope | 22:37 |
| kanzure | also scary | 22:37 |
| kanzure | ellington is really fun | 22:37 |
| bbrittain | uhh. soo ellington is anti-standardization? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | no. read the quote? | 22:39 |
| thundara | 22:36:02 < nmz787> I love being a student though, I get papers! | 22:39 |
| kanzure | biobricks is not optimal in various ways | 22:39 |
| thundara | What's the benchmark then? Cures? Other people using your work? | 22:39 |
| bbrittain | I did. it still sounds like he is. | 22:40 |
| bbrittain | like, why submit something wis multiple illegal restriction sites | 22:40 |
| thundara | kanzure: Yeah, I learned other methods last year that had fewer pots / no scares | 22:40 |
| thundara | Scars* | 22:40 |
| bbrittain | isn't part of iGem all about making parts | 22:40 |
| kanzure | doesn't that seem a little stupid? | 22:41 |
| kanzure | "genetic engineering competition, BUT you can only do genetic engineering that is outdated and broken" | 22:41 |
| thundara | But even ignoring dna synthesis, seems like an outdated system that would run into roadblocks on anything large | 22:41 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: i don't think they submitted the 13 kb fragment to the biobricks registry | 22:42 |
| bbrittain | yea, but such is life with standards. you obviously have never had to deal with the IETF :P | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | http://schmerzzentrum.ch/newsletter/2006-05/artikel-zu-cord-stimulation/shealy.pdf | 22:43 |
| nmz787 | electrical inhibition of pain by stimulation of the dorsal columns | 22:43 |
| bbrittain | I mean, I guess gibson > biobrick assembly. I wonder how they will fix this in iGem | 22:44 |
| kanzure | wasn't there an entire medical profession about that | 22:44 |
| kanzure | something about anesthesiologists | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: but the standard you're thinking I think, is determined by the cells, not computer storage methods | 22:45 |
| nmz787 | storage/access | 22:45 |
| nmz787 | and even those we really are discovering | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | a gene is always changing definition | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | we don't even know if genes are the wrong way to think about things at a fundamental level | 22:47 |
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| bbrittain | true | 22:47 |
| bbrittain | elaborate further? | 22:47 |
| nmz787 | (by 'and even those' I mean the rules of the biosphere) | 22:47 |
| kanzure | methylation | 22:47 |
| nmz787 | we aren't talking about storing ascii string units | 22:47 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: so, you know oxford nanopore and the minIon? | 22:48 |
| nmz787 | I tend to think of it like demoscene | 22:48 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: whatabout | 22:48 |
| bbrittain | ok. that makes sense to me :P | 22:48 |
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| ParahSailin | they are very serious that people dont "mispronounce" it as the english word spelled the same way | 22:48 |
| nmz787 | non-local weirdness | 22:48 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: they are morons | 22:48 |
| nmz787 | frameshifting probably/maybe/sometimes | 22:48 |
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| ParahSailin | so much that in their contracts with anyone licensing their tech, that they have a clause specifying how the other parties employees must refer to the machine | 22:49 |
| kanzure | that's cute | 22:49 |
| kanzure | what are the other terms | 22:49 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: well, my understanding is that the whole point of standardization is to minimize that as much as possible, no? | 22:49 |
| bbrittain | ParahSailin: thats horrible | 22:50 |
| ParahSailin | you have to give them microbeads with all the brown ones removeD? | 22:50 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: we have acquired a ginkgo mole | 22:51 |
| * bbrittain hides | 22:51 | |
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| kanzure | oops i mean sleeper agent | 22:51 |
| bbrittain | much better | 22:51 |
| ParahSailin | whats gingko | 22:51 |
| kanzure | some bullshit | 22:51 |
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| bbrittain | kanzure-- | 22:51 |
| kanzure | tom knight's thing | 22:52 |
| kanzure | jason kelly etc | 22:52 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: i reserve the right to mock anything and anyone | 22:53 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: and I reserve the right to decrement you | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: that kind of standardization is physics/chem/biochem moleculez-n'at | 22:54 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: damn I have so much to learn. I've got 2 weeks. at least my CS skills are way better than what they need :P | 22:55 |
| nmz787 | if they have you programming it should be fine | 22:55 |
| bbrittain | lol. yes. | 22:56 |
| nmz787 | but remember to have fun if you start pipetting | 22:56 |
| bbrittain | they have robots for that | 22:56 |
| bbrittain | nah, I want to learn that stuff | 22:56 |
| nmz787 | or counting cells with a sharpie | 22:56 |
| bbrittain | and cameras for that | 22:56 |
| bbrittain | <- seen 'em | 22:56 |
| nmz787 | nah bro, you need to load the .bmp into excel cells | 22:56 |
| ParahSailin | lua is really quite shitty isnt it | 22:57 |
| bbrittain | nah uh. lies. | 22:57 |
| ParahSailin | had to derp around with openresty stuff today | 22:57 |
| bbrittain | if so. I will fix that. | 22:57 |
| bbrittain | nah, the whole reason I'm working there is so they will teach me the wetware stuff. which they said they would | 22:57 |
| bbrittain | but I'm primarily leveraging my bioinformatics background for them | 22:58 |
| bbrittain | and my coding skills | 22:58 |
| ParahSailin | theres nothing to learn in wetware | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | cool | 22:58 |
| ParahSailin | just pipette shit | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | hahaha | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | don't listen to that lie! | 22:58 |
| bbrittain | I've pippeted stuff before... | 22:58 |
| bbrittain | so I'm done? | 22:58 |
| ParahSailin | you might be smarter than a tecan robot, so you're overqualified | 22:59 |
| nmz787 | more useful is actually just learning about /everything/ though | 22:59 |
| nmz787 | like, everything. | 22:59 |
| thundara | ParahSailin: Intuition about physical systems? (Though that doesn't take 6 years to learn) | 22:59 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: thats the plan | 22:59 |
| bbrittain | regardless of kanzure's opinion: my impression is my coworkers are very smart and can teach me a lot. | 23:00 |
| ParahSailin | bbrittain: you're just on a farm team for illumina | 23:00 |
| bbrittain | elaborate? | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | yes they are smart | 23:01 |
| ParahSailin | in sportball there are sometimes minor league teams that are based in third tier cities | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | i don't think I read anyone saying otherwise | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | or at least I didn't get that message | 23:02 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: kanzure was harshing on ginkgo earlier today :P | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | well recently we were harshing on biobricks | 23:02 |
| ParahSailin | that are mainly for training players for real teams, but still make money themselves because sometimes people just want to see a cheap sportball game and dont need to deal with traffic and shit for a major team | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | I still didn't see any attacks on intellect | 23:03 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: OH! thats not what I meant | 23:03 |
| thundara | "Small fries"? | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | or frys | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | like a fish fried | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | a small fish | 23:03 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: although they were accused of being elitist :D | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | at least that was how I think a felix the cat cartoon portrayed the term | 23:04 |
| bbrittain | ParahSailin: but... why would I work for Illumina? | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | oh, well that's part of academic institution at large | 23:04 |
| ParahSailin | because san diego is sunny every day, and illumina has moneys? | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | but yeah MIT is cool too | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | so it's kind of like teasing a girl you like instead of being nice to her | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | I think | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | maybe I'm wrong about the other's ideas. | 23:05 |
| bbrittain | ParahSailin: but... thats like saying I'm gonna work at google. I'm not. | 23:05 |
| bbrittain | just as likely | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | why not? | 23:05 |
| * bbrittain looks surprised | 23:05 | |
| nmz787 | google is cool too, they suck a lot too. | 23:06 |
| bbrittain | welllllll, because they are actively bad. | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | .ud same same but different | 23:06 |
| thundara | Also just not the most interesting place to be, too many smart people minds, not enough smart people problems | 23:07 |
| bbrittain | I'm more impressed with the people that work at FB tbh | 23:07 |
| bbrittain | a lot of the smart google people have left | 23:07 |
| bbrittain | but FB is bad too | 23:07 |
| bbrittain | they try to recruit me harder than google does too | 23:07 |
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| bbrittain | but I'm like "I don't even have a FB", take what you will from that. | 23:08 |
| ParahSailin | you turned down offers at goog and fb to be at ginkgo? | 23:08 |
| bbrittain | nah, recruiters | 23:09 |
| bbrittain | I don't like SV | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | google is in OR too | 23:09 |
| bbrittain | so I left | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | and many other places | 23:09 |
| bbrittain | plus like... I'm still in school. I don't know what I wanna do | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | I think NYC, MD maybe | 23:09 |
| bbrittain | right. but actively evil | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 23:10 |
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| bbrittain | ParahSailin: I also turned down a job offer at mozilla :P | 23:11 |
| bbrittain | that one was an offer | 23:11 |
| nmz787 | .d same same but different | 23:11 |
| nmz787 | .dict same same but different | 23:12 |
| yoleaux | nmz787: Sorry, that command (.d) crashed. | 23:12 |
| nmz787 | .urban same same but different | 23:12 |
| thundara | bbrittain: When did you start getting offers? O.o | 23:12 |
| nmz787 | oh well http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=same%20same%20but%20different | 23:12 |
| thundara | Out of college / years of work? | 23:12 |
| bbrittain | thundara: well that one was after my internship there. the others were just recruiters. very different. one is awesome, the others are annoying as all hell | 23:13 |
| bbrittain | also, I haven't graduate yet | 23:13 |
| bbrittain | graduated* | 23:13 |
| thundara | Undergrad? grad? | 23:13 |
| bbrittain | undergard | 23:14 |
| bbrittain | grad | 23:14 |
| bbrittain | undergrad* sorry. I hate this keyboard | 23:14 |
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| thundara | If it's ginkgo now, where in the future? | 23:15 |
| bbrittain | no clue | 23:15 |
| bbrittain | I'll see if I like biotech | 23:15 |
| bbrittain | if not... maybe back to mozilla | 23:15 |
| bbrittain | I <3 mozilla | 23:16 |
| thundara | Mmm, that's me too, minus any actual experience in biotech :P | 23:16 |
| bbrittain | well... first school probably | 23:16 |
| bbrittain | nmz787: kinda the same, but very different. mozilla == good for web. google == bad for web | 23:17 |
| nmz787 | bbrittain: you should talk to www.deshawresearch.com if you still have time | 23:17 |
| bbrittain | for? | 23:18 |
| nmz787 | some real CS type fun | 23:18 |
| bbrittain | I'll look into it | 23:19 |
| nmz787 | they actually put the tech in biotech | 23:19 |
| nmz787 | or make it | 23:19 |
| bbrittain | affiliated? | 23:20 |
| nmz787 | nope | 23:20 |
| nmz787 | I looked into them when I was living in NYC, but that was short-lived | 23:20 |
| nmz787 | or maybe that was before I moved there | 23:20 |
| bbrittain | well, I'd love to move back to NYC. I lived there for a summer too | 23:20 |
| thundara | nmz787: Are they still making their own supercomputers? | 23:21 |
| nmz787 | I guess so, haven't checked up lately | 23:21 |
| bbrittain | wait. what do they MAKE? | 23:21 |
| nmz787 | I think they may still be bootstrapping | 23:21 |
| bbrittain | like.. how they have money? | 23:21 |
| bbrittain | oh | 23:21 |
| bbrittain | the world is so weird | 23:21 |
| nmz787 | like the silicon is there | 23:21 |
| nmz787 | but they are coding and testing | 23:21 |
| nmz787 | I assume making APIs and drumming up contracts for problem solving | 23:22 |
| thundara | bbrittain: D.E. Shaw was an early computer guy in trading world | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | they may already have their own/other ideas that they have in the work pipeline | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | not really sure | 23:22 |
| thundara | Made tons of money with algortihms and shit | 23:22 |
| bbrittain | ahhh | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | I didn't even know that much thundara | 23:23 |
| thundara | Last I'd heard, they made their own supercomputer to specially do protein folding / MD stuff | 23:23 |
| thundara | But that was a few years ago | 23:23 |
| bbrittain | and what does thundara do? | 23:23 |
| thundara | Structural bio moving to synbio | 23:23 |
| bbrittain | coool | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | coming from programming and some electronics in high school, then into biotech and minor in bioinf at RIT, I like all the hardware and stuff too | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | 'full-stack' in a broader sense | 23:24 |
| thundara | Bleh, slow internet + irc proxy == lazy typing | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | eww, I got that at the conference a lot | 23:24 |
| thundara | bbrittain: I don't know the synbio world very well though, hence me asking questions here and there all day :) | 23:24 |
| bbrittain | me too! | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | but also it seemed like i had to switch between the android keyboards i have installed to get it to go through | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | back and forth | 23:25 |
| bbrittain | or at least, that was my plan :P | 23:25 |
| thundara | But I guess that's tangential to the purpose of this channel | 23:25 |
| bbrittain | kinda | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | synbio is pretty core to transhumanism | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | like, i'd say doudble-digits of some theorhetical pie chart | 23:26 |
| nmz787 | double* | 23:26 |
| bbrittain | I would agree with that | 23:26 |
| bbrittain | maybe even as much as 25% | 23:26 |
| nmz787 | https://careers.deshawresearch.com/recruit/JoiningDepartment.html | 23:26 |
| bbrittain | but there is a lot of shit we need | 23:27 |
| thundara | bbrittain: I just want to be Crake | 23:27 |
| nmz787 | 'a limited number of internships are also available' | 23:27 |
| bbrittain | I know what you mean | 23:27 |
| thundara | I don't even know what transhumanism even is, I just joined this channel because someone mentioned it elsewhere | 23:27 |
| bbrittain | but like... do better | 23:27 |
| * bbrittain cracks my knuckles. | 23:27 | |
| bbrittain | there is so much ahead of you | 23:27 |
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| bbrittain | nmz787: maybe I'll hit them up in a year or so | 23:28 |
| bbrittain | I'm locked in for now :P | 23:28 |
| bbrittain | thundara: just read this for starters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism | 23:28 |
| thundara | I'm just going to pretend you all are part of MaddAdam | 23:29 |
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| thylacine | thundara: I call this nick then | 23:31 |
| thylacine | I mean. an extinct marsupial dog?! | 23:31 |
| thylacine | can it get better | 23:31 |
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| bbrittain | tbh, I've only ever read the first book | 23:33 |
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| nmz787 | thundara: but didn't they release some GMOs without proper safety protocol or something? | 23:41 |
| * nmz787 sleeps | 23:41 | |
| thundara | nmz787: ? | 23:42 |
| thundara | In the book? | 23:42 |
| bbrittain | thundara: lol yes. that is what he was saying | 23:44 |
| * bbrittain also sleeps | 23:44 | |
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