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| archels | kanzure: I came across this video again, having seen it years before | 03:23 |
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| archels | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEYN18d7gHg | 03:23 |
| yoleaux | Nanofactory Movie | 03:23 |
| archels | do people still believe in this approach to nanomanufacture, or are its concepts by now outdated? | 03:24 |
| archels | s/outdated/superseded/ | 03:37 |
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| kanzure | archels: there's still lots of people interested in molecular manufacturing | 07:29 |
| kanzure | archels: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer | 07:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.thingiverse.com/tag:MakerBotMars | 07:30 |
| archels | so things like self-assembly or assembly through biological organisms have not displaced this pick-and-place-type idea. okay, was just curious | 07:36 |
| kanzure | there are some people who have an interest in dna origami and such, sure | 07:37 |
| kanzure | gene_hacker is workin on some sort of chemistry-based metal-organic phase-change molecular approach to molecular nanotech | 07:37 |
| kanzure | *working | 07:37 |
| kanzure | "This argument and explanation is constantly coming up on the subreddit askscience. I don't violently oppose it as much as some do, since I think it's somewhat helpful, but I would like to say that my preferred interpretation is that a `photon' isn't really a well defined object when inside strongly-coupled materials. For example, can you really sensibly talk about a freely propagating radio wave when its still within a quarter wavelength of ... | 07:38 |
| kanzure | ... an antenna? When atoms are spaced tenths of a nanometre apart and visible light has a wavelength of hundreds of nanometres it seems a bit silly to talk about it propagating freely in a material." | 07:38 |
| kanzure | "When you go through quantum field theory, photons are defined in terms of freely propagating particles, not interacting with other fields. When the disturbance in the EM field propagates into, e.g. a dielectric material, and strongly couples to various nuclear and electronic excitations, it is better described in terms of a massive quasiparticle, the polariton, which is a hybrid of the photon, phonon and electron fields and, being massive, ... | 07:38 |
| kanzure | ... propagates at less than c. You can, of course, describe it in terms of perturbations to the free photon corresponding to various types of virtual absorption and re-emission, but it's a bit misleading to think of it being physically absorbed and re-emitted with little stopovers. If anything, the classical model of a continuously interacting medium interacting with the EM wave creating a coherent response wave which interferes with and ... | 07:38 |
| kanzure | ... appears to slow down the EM wave is more instructive." | 07:38 |
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| dingo_ | 05:05 < firelynx> hey guys, in case you know any pythoneers who could consider working in Berlin, hand them this link http://goo.gl/3ILCqV | 07:52 |
| dingo_ | 07:21 < firelynx> ask them to contact me directly on mikael.baath@digitalperformance.de | 07:52 |
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| kanzure | chido is back? | 08:01 |
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| chido | kanzure: temporarily | 08:02 |
| chido | kanzure: nice input on the biocommons thing | 08:06 |
| kanzure | i was totes ignored :( | 08:08 |
| kanzure | "Please submit criticism in the form of glowing praise" | 08:09 |
| chido | I noticed, that was very disappointing | 08:10 |
| kanzure | i should respond with trollface | 08:11 |
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| heath | http://www.isis.vanderbilt.edu/sites/default/files/u352/META_poster_48x36_Clean.pdf | 08:55 |
| heath | metamorph is working on tooling for project ara hardware designers | 08:56 |
| heath | https://github.com/adamnagel/webgme-cyphy | 08:56 |
| heath | https://github.com/webgme/webgme | 08:56 |
| heath | http://webgme.org/ | 08:57 |
| heath | stuff they are building their platform with | 08:57 |
| heath | the software is supposed to be open source at some point, that was in the contract signed with google | 08:57 |
| kanzure | heath: i can't tell if you're mentioning META because i topicdropped it yesterday or because you ran into it randomly | 08:59 |
| heath | http://dhondt.de/ | 08:59 |
| heath | they are using that as well | 08:59 |
| heath | i'm mentioning it because they are wanting to talk with me about working with them, i ran into the ceo||cto at a microcontroller meetup | 09:00 |
| kanzure | of isis? | 09:01 |
| kanzure | win 3 | 09:03 |
| kanzure | joidfjaoi | 09:03 |
| heath | unfortunately they are depending on the autorouter from eaglecad | 09:03 |
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| kanzure | check pm | 09:05 |
| heath | metamorph, re:"of isis?" | 09:11 |
| kanzure | 08:55 < heath> http://www.isis.vanderbilt.edu/sites/default/files/u352/META_poster_48x36_Clean.pdf | 09:11 |
| kanzure | isis.vanderbilt.edu | 09:11 |
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| heath | right, isis was granted money through metamorph to work on project ara, i'm talking with metamorph though | 09:16 |
| kanzure | v. interesting | 09:17 |
| kanzure | thank you, informant, you shall be rewarded in the nexterlife | 09:17 |
| heath | :) | 09:17 |
| kanzure | "fuck that, what about this life" | 09:17 |
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| heath | fear of dark - spectronosis http://fodxm.co.uk/fod_10%20SPECTRONOSIS.mp3 | 09:29 |
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| kanzure | elliptic curve stuff http://curvecp.org/ http://dnscurve.org/ | 09:37 |
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| nmz787_i1 | chris_99: these may interest you, I haven't looked but I presume if these are up, others are too http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/defcon-wireless-village-2014/mainlist | 10:02 |
| chris_99 | ooh cheers | 10:02 |
| nmz787_i1 | chris_99: couldn't find the whole talk, but here's that USBto-DMA bridge thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvnvOXXAxaI | 10:03 |
| nmz787_i1 | (a demo) | 10:03 |
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| nmz787_i1 | oh yeah, and Parallax open-sourced the Propeller during defcon https://www.parallax.com/microcontrollers/propeller-1-open-source | 10:08 |
| nmz787_i1 | "The Propeller 1 (P8X32A) is now a 100% open multicore microcontroller, including all of the hardware and tools: Verilog code, Spin interpreter, PropellerIDE and SimpleIDE programming tools, and compilers. The Propeller 1 may be the most open chip in its class." | 10:08 |
| chris_99 | yeah i've seen that one | 10:11 |
| chris_99 | i'm planning to buy a new FPGA probably so may try it out | 10:11 |
| kanzure | ON_BrepTrim &trim = brep->NewSingularTrim(brep->m_V[i], .... | 10:14 |
| kanzure | argh this jerk | 10:14 |
| kanzure | "i" was set to brep->m_V.Count() just a few lines earlier | 10:15 |
| kanzure | don't be this guy | 10:15 |
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| nmz787_i1 | chris_99: I've got the DE0-nano so I might give it a shot... not soon though | 10:50 |
| chris_99 | neat | 10:50 |
| nmz787_i1 | chris_99: ugh, crap, the video for hackaday is due today/tonight (already past?) and I was planning on going hiking after work | 10:50 |
| nmz787_i1 | :/ I guess that means I'm out | 10:51 |
| chris_99 | its due tommorow morn | 10:51 |
| chris_99 | i think | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i1 | hrmm | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i1 | sweaty and exhausted at 10:30 PM, sounds perfect to make a video! | 10:51 |
| chris_99 | heh | 10:52 |
| kanzure | ycombinator is making some pretty wacky picks these days | 10:58 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: they picked filecoin | 10:58 |
| kanzure | "aluminium smelting industry is conusming 3% of world's total electric power, at a cost of something like 30 billion dollars/year" | 11:11 |
| archels | just short of bitcoin mining | 11:25 |
| kanzure | that's only 0.02% | 11:25 |
| archels | yeah I was being sarcastic | 11:26 |
| ParahSailin | hm lets use aluminum as currency | 11:26 |
| nmz787_i1 | used to be super-expensive, that's why the washington monument is topped with it | 11:42 |
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| kanzure | no i really meant phone actually | 11:48 |
| kanzure | it's a weird one | 11:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://www.uilabs.org/announcement/AVM_PR_061214.pdf | 11:58 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://opensource.org/osd (section 1) | 12:34 |
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| nmz787_i1 | kanzure: why does that page use Flash? | 12:45 |
| kanzure | because of blood diamonds, i assume | 12:45 |
| nmz787_i1 | unless Internet Explorer just reports incorrectly | 12:46 |
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| nmz787_i1 | 'Raskolnikov philabuster deoxymonohydroxanate' | 12:58 |
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| fenn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Robotics | 13:47 |
| yoleaux | 25 Jun 2014 21:43Z <kanzure> fenn: "So in 1971, when Harry Collins studied the spread of a technology called the TEA laser, he discovered that the only scientists who succeeded in copying it were those who had visited laboratories where TEA lasers were already up and running: “no-one to whom I have spoken has succeeded in building a TEA laser using written sources (including blueprints and written reports) as the sole source of … | 13:47 |
| yoleaux | information.” | 13:47 |
| yoleaux | 25 Jun 2014 21:43Z <kanzure> fenn: nevermind | 13:47 |
| fenn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberdade_class_underwater_gliders | 14:02 |
| nmz787_i1 | "Wall grew up in south Los Angeles and then Bremerton, Washington, before starting higher education at Seattle Pacific University in 1976, majoring in chemistry and music and later Pre-med with a hiatus of several years working in the university's computing center before being graduated with a self-styled bachelor's degree in Natural and Artificial Languages" | 14:09 |
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| nmz787_i1 | welp I guess he's a biohacker: http://www.wall.org/~larry/cornea.html | 14:13 |
| nmz787_i1 | http://strawberryperl.com/ "When I'm on Windows, I use Strawberry Perl -- Larry Wall" | 14:15 |
| fenn | double yuck | 14:22 |
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| fenn | http://www.forbes.com/sites/rakeshsharma/2013/10/07/a-ship-a-couple-of-startups-and-the-bay/ | 14:40 |
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| heath | http://mindrdr.thisplace.com/static/index.html | 15:00 |
| heath | """ MindRDR is an application for Google Glass that uses a mind reader to take and post photos on social networks """ | 15:00 |
| heath | https://github.com/ThisPlace/MindRDR | 15:00 |
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| nsh | what's this TEA laser anecdote all about? | 15:39 |
| nsh | alien technology? | 15:40 |
| kanzure | it's a false one | 15:40 |
| kanzure | cluckj fixed me on that | 15:40 |
| nsh | kk | 15:40 |
| kanzure | r superkuh | 15:40 |
| kanzure | *or | 15:40 |
| nsh | doesn't sounds too implausible though | 15:41 |
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| kanzure | that's the best kind of wrong | 15:44 |
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| AlterSid | anyone here knows what's up with deepmind these days? do we know a bit more what they are up to? | 15:55 |
| AlterSid | ( http://deepmind.com/ ) | 15:56 |
| AlterSid | it was sold for a gazillion dollars earlier this year to google | 15:57 |
| kanzure | someone on hacker news posted the scoop about that.. wasn't anything to write home about. | 15:58 |
| AlterSid | yeah, it was a big expense on google's side (500M$).. speculation was that it would somehow reinforce their search algos, but not much information has filtered out since | 16:00 |
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| kanzure | i thought it was an acquihire | 16:05 |
| AlterSid | I think it was, yes | 16:07 |
| kanzure | also, hi | 16:08 |
| AlterSid | hi! | 16:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: what scaffolding for projects do you tend to prefer? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/scaffolding/ | 16:08 |
| sheena | bbrittain: I have some data from ffprobe on some mp4 files. it includes PAR 32:27, which might be Pixel ASpect Ratio? and which is not square..? | 16:10 |
| sheena | also yuv420p means progressive instead of interlacing frames? maybe? | 16:10 |
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| fenn | plastic conduit/PVC pipe (none of the above) | 16:19 |
| kanzure | i wonder if this is functional https://www.etsy.com/listing/184536139/black-cyber-mask-cyber-goth-respirator?ref=sr_gallery_9&ga_search_query=gas+mask&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_min=10&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_view_type=gallery | 16:26 |
| kanzure | also, if darpa's goal is really "the top-level goal of avm is to compress the development timelines for military systems by 5x-10x" it occurs to me that a sane thing to do would be to measure the current bottlenecks in large-scale engineering projects | 16:29 |
| kanzure | and since you don't know the bottlenecks you can safely just measure everything for not much cost | 16:29 |
| kanzure | but this is the "measure everything and things will magically improve" fallacy that quantified self and others succumb to. | 16:30 |
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| kanzure | fenn: oh the other thing was the nuclear fission batteries thing for handheld consumer electronics | 17:11 |
| kanzure | that's the thing i forgot | 17:12 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/0558.htm | 17:58 |
| yoleaux | Antitrust Guidelines for the Licensing of Intellectual Property | 17:58 |
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| kanzure | "Another possibility is that agreements that require royalties to be paid beyond the statutory term may enable a licensor to overcome incomplete contracting. Incomplete contracting occurs when imperfect contracting conditions prevent a licensor from negotiating a satisfactory royalty rate that reflects the patent's true value. To resolve this problem, there may be an incentive and ability to require the payment of royalties after the patent ... | 18:01 |
| kanzure | ... expires as a condition of licensing during the patent period, thus allowing a licensor to capture the patent's full value.(23)" | 18:01 |
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| nmz787_i | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoUWHfh733Y | 18:30 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 18:31 |
| yoleaux | Dual Core - All The Things [Official] | 18:31 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer phone call heh | 18:40 |
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| nmz787_i | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjaRf5_edeE | 20:57 |
| nmz787_i | it's a man dancing | 20:58 |
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| bbrittain | sheena: square pixels are a lie | 21:41 |
| bbrittain | most of them... aren't T_T | 21:41 |
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| bbrittain | kanzure: what is this about filecoin? | 21:45 |
| bbrittain | ahh | 21:47 |
| bbrittain | I see now | 21:47 |
| bbrittain | weird | 21:47 |
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| kanzure | bbrittain: what are they if not square | 21:48 |
| bbrittain | random stuff gets funded when you have infinite money and don't understand the technology | 21:48 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: rectangles | 21:48 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm just amazed they have like zero due diligence there | 21:49 |
| bbrittain | also see glowing plant | 21:49 |
| bbrittain | I haven't really payed any attention to filecoin... does the tech make sense? and like... how would you monetize that at all? | 21:49 |
| bbrittain | looking at the whitepaper now | 21:49 |
| kanzure | no it does not make sense | 21:50 |
| bbrittain | :( | 21:50 |
| kanzure | i mean, if they want to make a file storage network that's fine, but their cryptocurrency stuff is wrong | 21:50 |
| kanzure | as usual i refer you to gmaxwell's analysis | 21:51 |
| bbrittain | ahh, of course he made one | 21:51 |
| bbrittain | I went to a bitcoin meetup with him. The way everyone fanboyed over him was hilarious. | 21:51 |
| kanzure | 20:51 < gmaxwell> jbenet: well I mean, in the presence of what I described I don't see why such a system has much value at all. Or certantly any differential value against, say, people paying coins to someone who stores data. | 21:52 |
| kanzure | 20:48 < petertodd> jbenet: ^ like I say, this stuff is a lot more doable when you don't try to make what are probably unrealistic promises. Just create some nice software to pay for data by hash and call it a day. | 21:52 |
| kanzure | 20:52 < gmaxwell> (or saying it the other way, ni cut and choose proofs for proof of storing data are fine and useful and someone should make a storage that does itâ<80><94> but there is no reason to build an altcoin out of that except to turn it into an investment scam.) | 21:52 |
| bbrittain | damn. another altcoin hits the dust | 21:53 |
| kanzure | hardly, they took a lot of money | 21:53 |
| kanzure | that's not dust | 21:53 |
| bbrittain | :( | 21:53 |
| kanzure | in fact, gmaxwell is probably an investment signal at this point | 21:53 |
| kanzure | if he thinks it's a bad idea, then get in early | 21:53 |
| bbrittain | haha, but get out fast | 21:53 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:53 |
| bbrittain | shit. I gotta go get stellar then | 21:53 |
| bbrittain | but I don't wanna support something like that | 21:54 |
| * bbrittain feels torn | 21:54 | |
| kanzure | pretty awful huh | 21:54 |
| bbrittain | wait. this _really_ means I should go get some ethereum | 21:55 |
| bbrittain | which is the most bs of them all | 21:55 |
| kanzure | not quite, being early would have been before their $2 million loan | 21:55 |
| bbrittain | true :/ | 21:55 |
| catern | stellar's supporters are dumb but it's good technology, just as ripple was. a stellar layer over bitcoin would be a good setup | 21:56 |
| catern | (which is what will happen) | 21:56 |
| kanzure | happened within a few hours of its release | 21:57 |
| kanzure | because the bitcoin/ripple exchanges saw that stellar was just ripple with s/ripple/stellar and the same build steps | 21:57 |
| catern | which is what will keep happening, i mean | 21:58 |
| kanzure | so they were already prepared to add it | 21:58 |
| catern | and never stop happening | 21:58 |
| catern | (its_happening.jpg) | 21:58 |
| kanzure | are you asking for a kickban | 21:58 |
| catern | no :( | 21:58 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:59 |
| bbrittain | stellar gives you no benefits. There are systems you can integrate with bitcoin that give you the scalability that stellar gives you coupled with actual benefits to the users | 21:59 |
| kanzure | let's not turn this into a rehash of obvious things | 21:59 |
| bbrittain | sorry. I'm rather anti-stellar | 22:00 |
| kanzure | that's fine | 22:00 |
| kanzure | but i mean, | 22:00 |
| kanzure | i don't think anyone here is pro-stellar | 22:00 |
| kanzure | and i think the vast majority understand the problems with the network design there | 22:00 |
| kanzure | this is what i tell myself | 22:02 |
| bbrittain | thats good, try talking to most people who self-describe themselves as "bitcoin enthusiasts". their favorite thing to do is to hop onto the most recent altcoin craze. it makes me cry | 22:04 |
| bbrittain | but I'm sure you feel the same | 22:05 |
| kanzure | i know someone who after learning about bitcoin was "daytrading" the next day against the dollar | 22:05 |
| kanzure | and i asked him "wtf dude?" | 22:05 |
| kanzure | he really thought he was being super smart | 22:05 |
| kanzure | until i pointed out that he has literally never wanted to daytrade before | 22:05 |
| kanzure | much less daytrade currencies against one another | 22:05 |
| kanzure | but for some reason the moment they are exposed to bitcoin.. the idea hits them. it's the strangest thing. | 22:06 |
| bbrittain | fuck. I hate roost. | 22:09 |
| bbrittain | this is my fault | 22:09 |
| bbrittain | I've been implementing push for firefox | 22:09 |
| bbrittain | :( | 22:09 |
| nmz787_i | you all have never convinced me why cryptocurrency is hplus | 22:10 |
| nmz787_i | my pocket wiped all my data a few days ago | 22:10 |
| bbrittain | nmz787_i: I'm not sure it is. The same sorta people that like h+ generally like cryptocurrency though | 22:10 |
| kanzure | personal empoewrment, blah blah blah | 22:10 |
| kanzure | *empowerment | 22:11 |
| kanzure | maybe not the most convincing argument i've ever given | 22:15 |
| kanzure | fenn: blueseed would probably do better as an expensive tourist attraction | 22:20 |
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| nmz787_i | i like currency that is useful | 22:29 |
| nmz787_i | poor people get diesel, rich folks thorium | 22:30 |
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| kanzure | currency competes with other currencies | 22:30 |
| kanzure | so if there are no benefits then a given currency will probably die out | 22:30 |
| nmz787_i | diesel vs gasoline vs butanol vs ethanol | 22:30 |
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| sheena | bbrittain: if the "recommendation" is for square pixels, is it referring to somethign .. else? | 22:42 |
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| nmz787_i | .wik hemophage | 22:52 |
| yoleaux | "Disambiguation: Hemophage" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemophage | 22:52 |
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