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| nmz787 | juri_: do you have to be anoxic to prevent it from turning into alumina? (II would think the next layer wouldn't bind very well if it already had an oxide skin) | 00:00 |
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| nmz787 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Photon_Mean_Free_Path.png | 00:56 |
| nmz787 | 'Mean free path for photons in energy range from 1 keV to 20 MeV for Elements Z = 1 to 100. Based on data from.[5] The discontinuities are due to low density of gas elements. Six bands correspond to neighborhoods of six noble gases' | 00:56 |
| nmz787 | so that's why they make lases with those gasses | 00:56 |
| nmz787 | :) | 00:56 |
| nmz787 | lasers | 00:56 |
| nmz787 | .wik mean free path | 00:57 |
| yoleaux | "In physics, the mean free path is the average distance travelled by a moving particle (such as an atom, a molecule, a photon) between successive impacts (collisions), which modify its direction or energy or other particle properties." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_free_path | 00:57 |
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| nmz787 | .wik mcbj | 01:35 |
| yoleaux | "A break junction is an electronic device which consists of two metal wires separated by a very thin gap, on the order of the inter-atomic spacing (less than a nanometer). This can be done by physically pulling the wires apart or through chemical etching or electromigration." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break_junction | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120710/srep00501/full/srep00501.html | 01:36 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fsrep00501 | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | (that may be open) | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | .title | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | .title http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120710/srep00501/full/srep00501.html | 01:36 |
| yoleaux | Single-Molecule Electrical Random Resequencing of DNA and RNA | 01:36 |
| yoleaux | nmz787: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed. | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | "Single base molecules on a DNA molecule in a solution are identified via a tunnelling current that passes between nanoelectrodes. Nanogaps of 0.8 nm were fabricated using a nano-MCBJ. A constant DC voltage of 0.4 V was applied between the nanoelectrodes, and electrical signals were measured at a sampling rate of 10 KHz." | 01:37 |
| nmz787 | daaaannnnnnnggggg | 01:37 |
| ebowden_ | Oh, heard of that a few months ago, I think. | 01:39 |
| nmz787 | "The fabrication procedures for MCBJs are described elsewhere.29 First, we coated a phosphor bronze substrate with a thin polyimide layer for electrical insulation. A gold nanojunction was then fabricated using electron beam lithography and a subsequent lift-off process. The junction was then exposed to isotropic reactive ion etching using CF4/O2 gas to remove the underlying polyimide and obtain a free-standing gold nanobridge. The MCBJ sample ... | 01:40 |
| nmz787 | ... was mounted in a three-point bend configuration. The substrate was then bent and the junction broken mechanically to form a pair of gold nanoelectrodes. The junction conductance was monitored using a Keithley 6487 picoammeter (Keithley) under a DC bias voltage of 0.1 V. A 10-k resistor was connected in series during this process to protect the junction from overcurrent-induced electromigration failure. Special care was taken while adjusting ... | 01:40 |
| nmz787 | ... the electrode gap size by a self-breaking technique." | 01:41 |
| nmz787 | that actually doesn't sound terribly hard | 01:41 |
| nmz787 | heh, I was just reading about femtoampere design last night | 01:42 |
| ebowden_ | So, how fast can this take the measurements? | 01:44 |
| nmz787 | huh http://www.quantumbiosystems.com/get/index.html?lang=en | 01:45 |
| nmz787 | "Raw quantum sequencing data are freely available for scientific and research use, allowing you, for example, to develop your own algorithms and software for quantum sequencing." | 01:46 |
| nmz787 | All data in this site belong to Quantum Biosystems. These pre-publication data are preliminary and may contain errors. The goal of our policy is that early release should enable the progress of science. The data is published under a Creative Commons licence Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 (CC-BY-NC 3.0) | 01:46 |
| nmz787 | ebowden_: probably very fast | 01:46 |
| ebowden_ | Do they make any claims on speed in this paper? | 01:47 |
| ebowden_ | (Sequencing speed) | 01:48 |
| nmz787 | looks like the use the term ms | 01:48 |
| nmz787 | but i am tired | 01:48 |
| nmz787 | i think they're saying at least 2 ms per base | 01:49 |
| nmz787 | but the junction is only 0.8nm wide, so you can parallelize the hell out of this, assuming you come up with a good fab technique | 01:49 |
| nmz787 | 'the characteristic dwell time for single bases was 0.8 ms, as shown in Fig. 2e' | 01:50 |
| nmz787 | supplement http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120710/srep00501/extref/srep00501-s1.doc | 01:51 |
| nmz787 | whoa bunnie is on their team | 01:52 |
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| ebowden_ | Who's bunnie? | 01:55 |
| catern | a well known hardware hacker | 01:56 |
| catern | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Huang | 01:56 |
| ebowden_ | Huh. | 01:56 |
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| ebowden_ | Was this sequencer the first to work in that manner? | 01:57 |
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| nmz787 | ebowden_: probably not | 02:05 |
| nmz787 | nano-whatever has been all the rage for years now | 02:05 |
| nmz787 | the fab technique for that was pretty cool is all I thought | 02:06 |
| nmz787 | nothing like the protein pores some use | 02:06 |
| nmz787 | or annealing-based porous silicon filter things | 02:06 |
| nmz787 | sorta like TEM grids | 02:07 |
| nmz787 | (i may have just thought TEM grid like things would be good for separating proteins from DNA, I mightn't of seen it in a paper) | 02:08 |
| nmz787 | prob some that use carbon nanotubes or something | 02:08 |
| nmz787 | just look at some of the reference names on that paper | 02:08 |
| altersid | well, now its nano no mo', quantum here I cum | 02:08 |
| altersid | nice for bunnie, they look like they have some serious brainpower | 02:10 |
| nmz787 | huh, so with ParahSailin's 2 billion 18mer human genome fragment comment earlier | 02:10 |
| nmz787 | 2000000000 milliseconds to days is 23.1481 | 02:10 |
| nmz787 | so parallelizing would be pretty quick | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | even if it was macro scale | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | parallelizing | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | i.e. that fab just replicated on an assembly line | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | rather than on-chip density scaling | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | or per-chip | 02:11 |
| * nmz787 sleeps | 02:14 | |
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| dpk | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=4976463 | 02:34 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FDCC.2009.42 | 02:34 |
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| kanzure | https://www.crowdsupply.com/xipiter/usbcondom | 06:58 |
| ParahSailin | also 547233228 unique 15mers, so about 50% of the space | 07:09 |
| kanzure | "Also the big problem for BSD with original advertising clause is that legally they had to list a dozen authors for some of the drivers, back when people would contribute under license terms that said "Use or marketing of this software must include the statement: "Driver written by Jonathan Cline jcline@ieee.org". That is one reason they added the "no advertising" clause to BSD later." | 07:15 |
| abetusk | kanzure, online as in this room or somewhere else? | 07:37 |
| kanzure | 07:38 | |
| abetusk | I emailed him yesterday | 07:38 |
| kanzure | he didn't reply? what a slacker | 07:39 |
| kanzure | he replied to something i sent him last nght | 07:39 |
| kanzure | *night | 07:39 |
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| juri_ | nmz787: this is casting, not printing. ;) | 11:16 |
| jrayhawk | .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOon17suyaI | 11:26 |
| yoleaux | Resistance Training, Brain Structure, and Brain Function | 11:26 |
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| pi- | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12395110 | 12:32 |
| nmz787 | pi-: thanks! now where's that bottle of ashwaganda i bought years ago? | 12:40 |
| pi- | :) | 12:41 |
| kanzure | .title | 12:42 |
| yoleaux | Axon- or dendrite-predominant outgrowth induced ... [Neuroreport. 2002] | 12:42 |
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| nmz787 | first part of a 3-part series... very very good... http://edn.com/design/analog/4368681/Design-femtoampere-circuits-with-low-leakage-part-one | 13:04 |
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| nmz787 | http://jeb.biologists.org/content/217/11/1833.1 | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | .title | 13:58 |
| yoleaux | Parasitic fig wasps bore with zinc-tipped drill bit | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | video here http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/found-the-first-metal-plated-syringe-in-a-living-creature-16838120?click=pm_latest | 13:58 |
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| kanzure | "Plastic bag was bore with zinc trapped yelling bit" | 13:59 |
| kanzure | "what?" | 13:59 |
| kanzure | "how did they know my brain wallet passphrase?" | 14:00 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/the-first-gear-discovered-in-nature-15916433 | 14:03 |
| kanzure | cc gene_hacker | 14:04 |
| nmz787 | .title http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6151/1254 | 14:04 |
| yoleaux | Interacting Gears Synchronize Propulsive Leg Movements in a Jumping Insect | 14:04 |
| nmz787 | 'Even stranger is that the issus doesn't keep these gears throughout its life cycle. As the adolescent insect grows, it molts half a dozen times, upgrading its exoskeleton (gears included) for larger and larger versions. But after its final molt into adulthoodâpoof, the gears are gone. The adult syncs its legs by friction like all the other planthoppers. "I'm gobsmacked," says Sutton. "We have a hypothesis as to why this is the case, but ... | 14:04 |
| nmz787 | ... we can't tell you for sure." Their idea: If one of the gear teeth were to slip and break in an adult (the researchers observed this in adolescent bugs), its jumping ability would be hindered forever. With no more molts, it would have no chance to grow more gears. And with every bound, "the whole system might slip, accelerating damage to the rest of the gear teeth," Sutton says. "Just like if your car has a gear train missing a tooth. Every ... | 14:05 |
| nmz787 | ... time you get to that missing tooth, the gear train jerks."' | 14:05 |
| nsh | wow | 14:19 |
| nsh | neat | 14:19 |
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| nsh | paperbot, http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-642-31912-9_16.pdf | 16:57 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8988e3727afbb40b32e0bc01c09db62f.txt | 16:57 |
| nsh | paperbot, http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-31912-9_16 | 16:58 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/53662cbd47d8822c90cf548181ad2810.txt | 16:58 |
| kanzure | http://nordicapis.com/legos-api-strategy-resourcing-developers-building-business-case/ | 17:15 |
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| nmz787 | pfft, fiction | 19:20 |
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| kanzure | gene_hacker: insect gear thing http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6151/1254 | 19:22 |
| gene_hacker | seen it already | 19:22 |
| gene_hacker | be interesting to see if it's actually superior to the involute profile as far as wear goes | 19:23 |
| gene_hacker | hey do you know someone made a universal constructor?(for a universe consisting of plastic blocks) | 19:24 |
| kanzure | minecraft? | 19:25 |
| gene_hacker | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921889013001462 | 19:25 |
| kanzure | .title | 19:25 |
| yoleaux | An architecture for universal construction via modular robotic components | 19:25 |
| gene_hacker | wait did someone do it in minecraft now too? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | probably? | 19:25 |
| gene_hacker | no real life | 19:25 |
| kanzure | nsh_: ping? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | or maybe jrayhawk would be better for that q | 19:26 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921889013001462 | 19:26 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8af183b63698e909c84b816158831deb.txt | 19:26 |
| gene_hacker | unfortunately, it's not viable | 19:26 |
| gene_hacker | it makes too many errors for unassisted replication | 19:26 |
| jrayhawk | i doubt it | 19:27 |
| jrayhawk | at least, not without a lot of cheat mods | 19:27 |
| gene_hacker | you can just email the author of the paper... | 19:27 |
| gene_hacker | I think they have components up on github too | 19:27 |
| kanzure | usually paperbot works :( | 19:27 |
| gene_hacker | https://github.com/mattmoses/MJMCS | 19:28 |
| gene_hacker | here's components | 19:28 |
| gene_hacker | errr... nothing appears to be there | 19:29 |
| gene_hacker | recently talked with one of the authors | 19:29 |
| kanzure | i was introduced to matt by tihamer toth-fejel | 19:30 |
| kanzure | i think tihamer worked at nanorex (nanoengineer) | 19:30 |
| gene_hacker | nah one of the other guys | 19:32 |
| gene_hacker | apparently progress is slow because everyone wants to fund human co-robots | 19:32 |
| kanzure | gross | 19:33 |
| kanzure | btw what was the conference? | 19:33 |
| gene_hacker | UC wasn't shown though | 19:33 |
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| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/An_architecture_for_universal_construction_via_modular_robotic_components.pdf | 20:32 |
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| kanzure | http://grabcad.com/library/shock-free-high-speed-intermittent-gearing-1 | 21:15 |
| kanzure | dpk: ping | 21:20 |
| nmz787 | dpk: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L108 | 21:20 |
| nmz787 | or thereabouts | 21:20 |
| nmz787 | seems like DRY is being violated, and it could be wrapped in a for loop | 21:21 |
| kanzure | DRY is most definitely being violated | 21:21 |
| nmz787 | so we could put the URL into some proxy URL as a substring | 21:21 |
| nmz787 | if successful paper download fails | 21:21 |
| kanzure | you would probably do this: requests.get("http://sciencedirect.com/", proxies={"http": "http://localhost:84841"}) and localhost:84841 would be responsible for doing ezproxy things | 21:24 |
| kanzure | if you feel like deleting huge chunks of paperbot code go right ahead | 21:25 |
| nmz787 | http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/user/advanced/#proxies | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | doesn't seem like you can give that a list though | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | so you'd still need a for loop | 21:27 |
| nmz787 | starting with http:http (or proxies=None) | 21:28 |
| nmz787 | whatever the correct API is | 21:28 |
| kanzure | localhost:84841 would have the list itself | 21:29 |
| kanzure | because you only have access to one ezproxy server or whatever | 21:29 |
| kanzure | instead of trying that entire list where 99% are inaccessible | 21:29 |
| nmz787 | i commonly use 3 | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | but i may not be the only proxy host on there | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | what if some other person wants to be a proxy, not having a list means it isn't a one-line addition to the list file | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | or maybe if not a list, a dict with a priority associated with each proxy URL | 21:33 |
| nmz787 | would my proxy need a callback too, in case the returned pdf_url failed? | 21:34 |
| nmz787 | since my proxy would itself have multiple urls to try | 21:35 |
| kanzure | if they want to add one it can be an extra file in a directory that gets scanned for configs | 21:35 |
| kanzure | proxy should just proxy http requests and return back the content from the remote server | 21:35 |
| kanzure | paperbot is responsible for parsing or saving pdf | 21:36 |
| kanzure | *parsing html or saving pdf | 21:36 |
| nmz787 | but often a proxy i have creds to fails | 21:36 |
| nmz787 | and i need to try the next | 21:36 |
| nmz787 | so would I have a separate socket for each? | 21:36 |
| nmz787 | and thus paperbot's list of proxies would have 3 listings for me | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | (since I have 3 proxies) | 21:37 |
| kanzure | proxy server can return an integer as an http header to paperbot in the http response | 21:37 |
| kanzure | paperbot will look at the http header and then determine whether or not to send another request | 21:37 |
| kanzure | the next request can include an incoming http header that says to try the next one | 21:37 |
| kanzure | proxy looks at incoming http request header and thinks real hard about it | 21:37 |
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| nmz787 | ok | 21:38 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: this example look OK? http://mitmproxy.org/doc/scripting/libmproxy.html | 21:47 |
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| kanzure | yup | 21:52 |
| kanzure | that's what i've used in the past | 21:52 |
| kanzure | i was using libmproxy to do http caching | 21:53 |
| kanzure | with some rather deep http request/response modification because i wasn't thinking straight at the time.. | 21:53 |
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| kanzure | .tell fenn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk | 22:42 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: I'll pass your message to fenn. | 22:42 |
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