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| fenn | looks like lkcl went over to the dark side (i figured as much) "Pine Lawful Interception offers reliable Lawful Interception (LI) compliancy solutions" | 00:25 |
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| fenn | or the light side, or whatever you call it | 00:26 |
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| delinquentme | FYI http://www.4combinator.com/ | 00:36 |
| fenn | whereforecombinator? | 00:37 |
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| fenn | delinquentme: what is it? | 00:40 |
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| delinquentme | fenn, accelerator by a dude whos sold commercial ventures in biotech / MEMS | 01:01 |
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| ebowden | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16344348 | 02:42 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1001%2Farchneur.62.12.1904 | 02:42 |
| ebowden | paperbot: http://archneur.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=790033 | 02:49 |
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| fenn | CLOCKSS (Controlled LOCKSS) is a not-for-profit joint venture between the world’s leading academic publishers and research libraries whose mission is to build a sustainable, geographically distributed dark archive with which to ensure the long-term survival of Web-based scholarly publications for the benefit of the greater global research community. | 03:51 |
| fenn | CLOCKSS is for the entire world's benefit. Content no longer available from any publisher ("triggered content") is available for free. CLOCKSS uniquely assigns this abandoned and orphaned content a Creative Commons license to ensure it remains available forever. | 03:51 |
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| fenn | wow this is almost exactly what i want, and it actually exists! http://www.lockss.org/about/how-it-works/ | 04:04 |
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| ParahSailin_ | http://www.customs.gov.cn/publish/portal0/tab3400/info5329.htm | 05:25 |
| ParahSailin_ | http://www.customs.gov.cn/publish/portal0/tab3400/info3194.htm | 05:29 |
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| kanzure | fenn: er, that's nice, but wouldn't it be better if i don't have to wait 100 years? | 06:12 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: how long until I can stay awake my whole life? | 06:17 |
| justanotheruser | *kanzoracle | 06:17 |
| kanzure | you can certainly do that, but your lifespan will only continue for a week or something | 06:23 |
| justanotheruser | pls | 06:27 |
| justanotheruser | thesis: sleep is the worst medical problem humanity has. It reduces every humans lifespan by a third. | 06:28 |
| justanotheruser | I reject sleep. Starting yesterday I am never sleeping again | 06:28 |
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| archels | sorry, sleeping is an essential feature of our brain | 06:32 |
| archels | even an uploaded minds needs to sleep | 06:32 |
| archels | you can do some DNA tweaking to need a few hours less, maybe, but around 6 h is probably the lower limit | 06:33 |
| kanzure | "However, killer whales and some other dolphins do not sleep during the first month of life.[114]" http://www.livescience.com/3885-insomnia-mania-newborn-mammals-sleep-month.html | 06:34 |
| kanzure | "However, unlike other mammals, adult dolphins and whales are able to go without sleep for a month.[115][116]" | 06:35 |
| archels | dolphins do that trick of sleeping with one hemisphere at a time | 06:36 |
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| kanzure | "If one hemisphere is selectively deprived of sleep in an animal exhibiting unihemispheric sleep (one hemisphere is allowed to sleep freely but the other is awoken whenever it falls asleep), the amount of deep sleep will selectively increase in the hemisphere that was deprived of sleep when both hemispheres are allowed to sleep freely." | 06:38 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unihemispheric_slow-wave_sleep | 06:41 |
| kanzure | "Complete crossing of the nerves at the optic chiasm in birds has also stimulated research. Complete decussation of the optic tract has been seen as a method of ensuring the open eye strictly activates the contralateral hemisphere. Some evidence indicates that this alone is not enough as blindness would theoretically prevent USWS if retinal nerve stimuli was the sole player. However, USWS was still exhibited in blinded birds despite the ... | 06:41 |
| kanzure | ... absence of visual input.[5]" | 06:41 |
| kanzure | "To truly determine if birds can sleep in flight, recordings of brain activity must take place during flight instead of after landing. A method of recording brain activity in pigeons during flight has recently proven promising in that it could obtain an EEG of each hemisphere but for relatively short periods of time. Coupled with simulated windtunnels in a controlled setting, these new methods of measuring brain activity could elucidate the ... | 06:42 |
| kanzure | ... truth behind whether or not birds sleep during flight.[8]" | 06:42 |
| kanzure | oh brother, you mean nobody has mounted some recording devices to bird brains before they start migrating? | 06:43 |
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| kanzure | http://www.technologyreview.com/news/532166/with-100-million-entrepreneur-sees-path-to-disrupt-medical-imaging/ | 06:53 |
| kanzure | .title | 06:53 |
| yoleaux | Jonathan Rothberg’s New Startup Raises $100 Million for Chip-based Ultrasound | MIT Technology Review | 06:53 |
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| kanzure | " He started and sold two DNA-sequencing companies, 454 and Ion Torrent Systems (see “The $2 Million Genome” and “A Semiconductor DNA Sequencer”), for more than $500 million. The profits have allowed Rothberg, who showed up for an interview wearing worn chinos and a tattered sailor’s belt, to ply the ocean on a 130-foot yacht named Gene Machine and to indulge high-concept hobbies like sequencing the DNA of mathematical geniuses." | 06:54 |
| kanzure | "The imaging system is being developed by Butterfly Network, a three-year old company that is the furthest advanced of several ventures that Rothberg says will be coming out of 4Combinator, an incubator he has created to start and finance companies that combine medical sensors with a branch of artificial-intelligence science called deep learning." | 06:54 |
| kanzure | "With the $100 million supplied by Rothberg and investors, which include Stanford University and Germany’s Aeris Capital, Butterfly appears to be placing the largest bet yet by any company on an emerging technology in which ultrasound emitters are etched directly onto a semiconductor wafer, alongside circuits and processors. The devices are known as “capacitive micro-machined ultrasound transducers,” or CMUTs." | 06:54 |
| kanzure | "The idea for micromachined ultrasound chips dates to 1994, when Butrus Khuri-Yakub, a Stanford professor who advises Rothberg’s company, built the first one. But none have been a commercial success, despite a decade of interest by companies including General Electric and Philips. This is because they haven’t functioned reliably and have proved difficult to manufacture." | 06:55 |
| kanzure | "“I set out to make a super-low-cost version of this $6 million machine, to make it 1,000 times cheaper, 1,000 times faster, and a hundred times more precise.”" | 06:55 |
| kanzure | so he's aiming for a $6k ultrasound machine. that's not much cheaper than GE's $9k version.... | 06:55 |
| kanzure | "Rothberg says his incubator has started three other companies in addition to Butterfly, and he’s given each of them between $5 million and $20 million in seed capital. They include a biotechnology firm, Lam Therapeutics, working on treatments connected to tubular sclerosis; Hyperfine Research, a startup in stealth mode that hasn’t said what type of technology it is developing; and another company that’s unnamed." | 06:56 |
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| kanzure | other commentary: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8549783 | 07:12 |
| chris_99 | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ie50056a014 | 07:14 |
| kanzure | .title | 07:15 |
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| kanzure | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/932664050/opentrons-open-source-rapid-prototyping-for-biolog | 12:31 |
| kanzure | "we are the first start-up to come out of Genspace" | 12:31 |
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| FourFire | Very interesting kanzure, just showed the people at my hackerspace | 12:34 |
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| kanzure | cryptography export control enforcement http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/DOC_0006231614.pdf | 12:36 |
| kanzure | "It's definitely illegal to commercially export information in those areas as well, at least past some level of detail. For example it's illegal to sell missile or reactor blueprints without approval. It's not just selling the physical objects (missiles or reactors) that's illegal, but also selling the information on how to construct them." | 12:37 |
| kanzure | selling reactor blueprints is illegal now? come on. | 12:37 |
| weles | i wonder if it counts as export if the navy sends tomahawk missle into pakistan and it does not explode | 12:41 |
| justanotheruser | 15:19 < sipa> i'm interested whether a hash function could be constructed that is secure against preimage attacks (or at least as good as current designs are assumed to be), but not secure against collision at all | 12:42 |
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| nmz787_i | that's basic ITAR | 12:56 |
| nmz787_i | weles: well that's why they blew up that helicopter as they were leaving bin laden's house | 12:56 |
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| delinquentme | do we have any kids inside @ scripps?? | 13:29 |
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| kanzure | nope not really | 13:30 |
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| fenn | opentrons looks correct | 13:54 |
| kanzure | i asked and apparently they have implemented https://www.transcriptic.com/platform/ | 13:55 |
| kanzure | i keep throwing them tough questions and they answer with good things | 13:55 |
| fenn | how does it eject pipette tips? | 13:56 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/Opentrons/OpenTrons/tree/master/3D-Print-STL/CAD%20Drawings | 13:56 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/opentrons-biobot-1-0-assembly-guide.zip | 13:57 |
| kanzure | https://www.synbiota.com/projects/535/workspace_pages | 13:57 |
| fenn | i hate this new internet | 13:58 |
| kanzure | "it all gets routed through bryan for some stupid reason" | 13:58 |
| paperbot | ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=1969): Max retries exceeded with url: /web (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send) | 13:58 |
| paperbot | ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=1969): Max retries exceeded with url: /web (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send) | 13:58 |
| fenn | the routing tables were too fragmented so we deleted them | 13:59 |
| paperbot | ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=1969): Max retries exceeded with url: /web (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send) | 13:59 |
| fenn | oh yeah your xpcshell process was going nuts | 13:59 |
| kanzure | what happened? | 13:59 |
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| fenn | dunno it was locked up for days; i tried to do some traces but didnt see anything enlightening | 13:59 |
| fenn | process 10918 | 14:00 |
| kanzure | did you ill it? | 14:00 |
| fenn | no | 14:01 |
| kanzure | *kill | 14:01 |
| kanzure | translators is at kanzure@raichu:~/local/zotero/translators$ git log | 14:02 |
| kanzure | commit 59a7e7b50d9b1a03ce5ed8de266b39751b8fc070 | 14:03 |
| kanzure | oh man that broke | 14:03 |
| kanzure | new translators: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/cfe1e3d1c2436fe2db30 | 14:04 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://archneur.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=790033 | 14:05 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1001%2Farchneur.62.12.1904 | 14:05 |
| fenn | it's still doing whatever it's doing | 14:06 |
| kanzure | going wild? | 14:06 |
| fenn | 100% CPU on PID 1997 | 14:06 |
| kanzure | hmm. | 14:07 |
| kanzure | strace log https://gist.github.com/kanzure/af6444007e5cb4cccd7c | 14:10 |
| fenn | i also saw just lots of gettimeofday, mutex lock and mutex release | 14:11 |
| fenn | what connection is it waiting for? ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out) | 14:13 |
| fenn | HTTP server listening on *:1969 | 14:13 |
| kanzure | paperbot just asks that http server some questions once in a while | 14:14 |
| kanzure | with typical http requests | 14:14 |
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| delinquentme | im sitting in palo alto eating chez cake | 14:55 |
| delinquentme | illumio is weh | 14:55 |
| delinquentme | their secret sauce is basically internal machine reporting | 14:55 |
| delinquentme | they have 50 million to do devops @ scale | 14:55 |
| kanzure | pitch them openstack | 14:56 |
| kanzure | and moving around workloads for data center weather events | 14:56 |
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| delinquentme | not a bad idea | 14:57 |
| delinquentme | except these datacenters are supposed to have electricity shit solved | 14:57 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I want to sell devops scripts to COMSOL | 14:58 |
| delinquentme | i just shot an email to a few people working there | 14:58 |
| kanzure | that sounds awful man, you want to voluntarily subject yourself to chef/puppet/ansible? | 15:05 |
| kanzure | "devops scripts" | 15:05 |
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| fenn | computer codes | 15:14 |
| kanzure | https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.org.eff.talk/Bi3iCRfasWE/3aA_QysKlLgJ | 15:15 |
| paperbot | ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=1969): Max retries exceeded with url: /web (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 111] Connection refused) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send) | 15:15 |
| kanzure | ATTENTION ALL INTERNET PERSONNEL | 15:16 |
| kanzure | szabo@netcom.com HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A CRYPTOANARCHIST CYBERSPACE INFILTRATION SITE TO A 93.67% DEGREE CERTAINTY VIA PSEUDOSPOOFING DETECTION SOFTWARE. | 15:16 |
| kanzure | MAIL, POSTS, AND OTHER EMANATIONS FROM THIS OUTLET ARE CONSIDERED LIKELY TO BE HIGHLY SUBVERSIVE AND DANGEROUS CRYPTOANARCHIST DISINFORMATION AND PROPAGANDA FROM ONE OR MORE CRYPTOANARCHIST CO-CONSPIRATORS. MULTIPLE SENSITIVE INTERNET MAILING LISTS, FAQS, AND FORUMS HAVE BEEN CONTAMINATED. | 15:16 |
| kanzure | - PROMOTION OF PSEUDOANONYMITY AND THE COLLECTION OF MULTIPLE FAKE CYBERSPACE IDENTITIES (MISTATED AS `PURE ANONYMITY') | 15:16 |
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| kanzure | - PROMOTION OF UNTRACEABLE `BLACK' CASH AND RELATED CRYPTOGRAPHIC TECHNIQUES (PARTICULARLY CHAUMIAN) | 15:16 |
| kanzure | - PROMOTION OF THE `COLLAPSE OF GOVERNMENTS' | 15:17 |
| kanzure | - PROMOTION OF PSYCHOTERRORISM AND PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE | 15:17 |
| kanzure | - MANIPULATION AND TERRORISM IN PRIVATE MAIL | 15:17 |
| kanzure | - COLLECTION OF SENSITIVE PRIVATE INFORMATION | 15:17 |
| kanzure | INTERNET INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS ARE ADVISED TO EXAMINE AND PURGE ARCHIVES AND RECORDS OF ALL INFORMATION ORIGINATING FROM THIS OUTLET AS CRYPTOANARCHIST DISINFORMATION. | 15:17 |
| kanzure | 93.67% DEGREE CERTAINTY (imperial units) | 15:19 |
| fenn | i'm surprised there isnt actually an internet emergency broadcast system | 15:19 |
| nmz787_i | this is neat http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/intels-14-nm-parts-are-finally-here/ | 15:20 |
| fenn | it would insert that awful noise and "THIS IS A TEST" randomly into packets | 15:20 |
| kanzure | ah yes the government-regulated awful noise | 15:20 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Alert_System#Incidents | 15:22 |
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| kanzure | "On February 11, 2013, hackers broke into the EAS networks in Great Falls, Montana and Marquette, Michigan to broadcast an emergency alert that zombies have risen from their graves in several counties in Montana and Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Stations KRTV in Great Falls, WBUP and WNMU-TV in Marquette broke into programming to broadcast the false alerts.[38][39] Details on the hacking incident remain unknown at present, though a ... | 15:23 |
| kanzure | ... representative for Monroe Electronics, a maker and distributor of EAS equipment, mentioned that some stations do not change their logins or passwords, opting to use factory presets instead. Because of this, trade groups, including the Michigan Association of Broadcasters, urged broadcasters to change their passwords and to recheck their security measures.[40] On February 13, 2013, WIZM-FM in La Crosse, Wisconsin inadvertently triggered ... | 15:23 |
| kanzure | ... the EAS on WKBT-DT by playing a recording of the fake alert during its morning show.[41] The alert was seemingly inspired by the Anthrax song Fight 'Em 'Til You Can't; the message relayed in the incident lifted a quote from the song's introduction about a zombie uprising." | 15:23 |
| kanzure | had this been an actual zombie uprising.... | 15:24 |
| fenn | had this been an actual cryptoanarchist disinformation, oh. | 15:25 |
| nmz787_i | http://www.asus.com/Phones/PadFone_mini_PF400CG/ | 15:26 |
| nmz787_i | strange concept | 15:26 |
| fenn | ok that's dumb | 15:26 |
| fenn | i'd rather have a lapdock | 15:26 |
| nmz787_i | Phone: 4.0inches, WVGA 800x480, IPS with Capacitive Multi touch panelPad: 7.0 inches, WXGA 1280x800, IPS with Capacitive Multi touch panel | 15:27 |
| nmz787_i | at least they have two batteries | 15:27 |
| fenn | these hardware makers keep making stuff that only works with their products | 15:27 |
| fenn | like everyone forgot about how PCs became popular | 15:28 |
| nmz787_i | wasn't it some company taking a bunch of pre-existing ideas from various mfgs and integrating the concepts? | 15:28 |
| fenn | IBM had such a huge market share that everyone who wanted to compete was forced to make their interfaces compatible with IBM stuff | 15:29 |
| fenn | but then you could get all sorts of cross-compatible hardware and software | 15:29 |
| fenn | padphone works with its tablet, that's it | 15:30 |
| fenn | In the 2013 film World War Z, the Emergency Alert System was used by New Jersey State Police, instructing residents to seek shelter and to pack food enough for at least a week due to a zombie invasion. | 15:32 |
| fenn | i wonder if the michigan/montana incident was a PR stunt | 15:32 |
| nmz787_i | fenn: I'm not sure how you would want to use padfone for something other than it's phone+pad combo... would you want an HDMI-input port? | 15:33 |
| kanzure | i dunno if pr firms are clever enough to buy 0days and vulnerability knowledge like that | 15:33 |
| fenn | nmz787_i: yes, and USB, and have them connect with something flexible so the ports dont have to be perfectly aligned | 15:34 |
| fenn | some phones have a mini hdmi port which is just perfect for this | 15:35 |
| fenn | nmz787_i: the point is that other phones should be able to connect to the expander device (call it a pad if you want) | 15:37 |
| nmz787_i | seems like it would be a bit inconvenient since you wouldn't easily be able to hold one item, but I guess it would work for tabletop situations | 15:40 |
| nmz787_i | USB touchscreens don't seem like a thing in general | 15:40 |
| fenn | i have this thing which is pretty well built, but the ports dont align with other phones so you have to get hard to find adapter cables (mini HDMI female to mini HDMI male) and besides i'm using it with a set-top box anyway http://media.engadget.com/img/products/462/9wlf/9wlf-800.jpg | 15:40 |
| fenn | i have it velcro'd together | 15:41 |
| nmz787_i | so that's a laptop-shell? | 15:41 |
| nmz787_i | like, just HDMI in, and USB-out from the kb and mouse? | 15:41 |
| fenn | it has a battery, speakers, keyboard, screen, touchpad, headphone ports, umm maybe wifi | 15:41 |
| nmz787_i | what /is/ it? | 15:42 |
| nmz787_i | (called) | 15:42 |
| fenn | the only connections to the phone are hdmi and usb | 15:42 |
| fenn | motorola lapdock | 15:42 |
| fenn | it was discontinued when they stopped production of the phone it was supposed to go with | 15:42 |
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| fenn | i guess i dont see the point of having a tablet that expands your phone | 15:44 |
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| nmz787_i | yeah, especially when it isn't at leat 9 or 10 inches | 15:46 |
| nmz787_i | and isn't 1080 | 15:46 |
| fenn | but why not just have a tablet instead | 15:47 |
| kanzure | fenn did i show you the camera film microfluidics stuff | 15:47 |
| fenn | no | 15:47 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/optics/photolithography/Simple%20photolithographic%20rapid%20prototyping%20of%20microfluidic%20chips.pdf | 15:47 |
| kanzure | here's what it looks like when you directly expose 16 mm film to objects ("the film was entirely developed and assembled in the dark room, using various bugs, organic elements, liquids, leafs, and bacteria growth in petri dishes laid directly onto the film") http://vimeo.com/89546954 | 15:47 |
| kanzure | same thing but microfiche instead http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/optics/photolithography/Using%20patterns%20in%20microfiche%20as%20photomasks%20for%2010-micron-scale%20microfabrication%20-%20Deng%20-%20Whitesides.pdf | 15:48 |
| fenn | its just a contact mask made from 35mm film negatives? | 15:51 |
| kanzure | photolithography mask | 15:51 |
| kanzure | oh, photolithography masks can be contact masks, er, right | 15:51 |
| nmz787_i | yeah | 15:52 |
| nmz787_i | well | 15:52 |
| nmz787_i | i heard about a loca guy today who said 'Also, if anyone needs to look at really tiny things, I now have a SEM in my living room.' | 15:52 |
| nmz787_i | idk his level of DIY on that vs restoring an old piece of equipment | 15:53 |
| nmz787_i | but I will ask | 15:53 |
| nmz787_i | electron beam lithography is pretty high up on the quality scale | 15:53 |
| nmz787_i | and apparently it is quite fast | 15:53 |
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| fenn | so assuming you can make a PDMS stamp with this microfiche/film method, is 5 micron small enough feature size for useful integrated circuit photolithography? | 15:56 |
| fenn | er, actually the stamp isnt necessary | 15:57 |
| kanzure | i'm sure it could be useful for many things | 15:58 |
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| kanzure | "Non-techs (including executives) in tech companies are basically 95% morons because the capable non-techs generally have better options in other industries." | 16:01 |
| fenn | nmz787: did you ever make any diffraction gratings? | 16:03 |
| nmz787 | fenn: no but i do basically have a FIB that I can play on now pretty much whenever I want | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | there has been code written to convert a pattern file to a bitmap, but the reverse hasn't been written yet (though should be pretty easy now) | 16:17 |
| fenn | uh, imagemagick | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | https://gist.github.com/jblake/160932cc4cd5b6f9e5a4 | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | that is c++ | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | i also have it in python | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | which is where I'm doing opencv stuff to analyze stage drift | 16:18 |
| fenn | i didnt realize you guys worked together | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | this week and last i was working on an rs232 mouse to send clicks to re-center as i find drift | 16:19 |
| kanzure | nah jblake is just helpful | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | it happens that the FIB is about halfway between my house and his, too | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | and that he did an internship at the FIB company at some point | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | and generally enjoys optics and math | 16:20 |
| fenn | what a useless website http://www.jblake.org/ | 16:20 |
| kanzure | http://www.statictyping.org/ | 16:20 |
| kanzure | i should name my keyboard typing technique "static typing" | 16:24 |
| fenn | this bitmap thing would be like 2 lines of numpy | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | as long as the output was correctly packed | 16:25 |
| nmz787 | the python is more readable | 16:25 |
| fenn | ok i'll stop complaining now | 16:26 |
| nmz787 | fenn: I have this file open in my text editor now, I can't tell if it is the most up to date, but the first function looks like it is as it's relatively clean http://paste.pound-python.org/show/kvxjljSctvu4tYxdrr07/ | 16:26 |
| nmz787 | note line 234 is a sys.exit | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | sorry i pasted the crap after it | 16:27 |
| fenn | do you not use revision control? | 16:28 |
| nmz787 | just consider the first function | 16:28 |
| fenn | or is this just hacking around | 16:28 |
| nmz787 | it was hacking mainly | 16:28 |
| nmz787 | but then i wasted a week trying to write h264 frames and evntually gave up with displaying each to the screen | 16:29 |
| nmz787 | since i just wanted a video playback of intermediate images, to see what order the pixels were in the file | 16:29 |
| fenn | why h264 | 16:29 |
| nmz787 | that's what all the video i watch these days is | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | so i figured i should be up to date | 16:30 |
| fenn | mplayer mf://*.png | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | the only other that worked was uncompressed | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | but then i realized i was only doing every 1% of total pixels | 16:30 |
| fenn | well i hope you learned something at least | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | so 100 images is nothing to display in succession | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | and that was much easier | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | :/ wish i hadn't wasted a week, but it is weird that h264 doesn't just work | 16:31 |
| fenn | how many pixels are in a typical FIB etching run? | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | was getting all sorts of errors | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | only 1 meg of the 4096x4096 are able to be loaded at a time, so per pattern | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | probably actually 1024x1024 | 16:31 |
| fenn | 4096x4096 doesnt seem like enough | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | they could be 1nm pixels | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | or 1um | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | same grid no matter zoom | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | for more res, you need to step around the FOVs | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | err | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | if you want more res and you need more real estate than the FOV provides, you need to step around | 16:33 |
| fenn | is there a term for resolution * FOV product? | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | like what the total diameter of the stage is? | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | you can only move the beam so much before you have to move the stage | 16:35 |
| fenn | this tradeoff seems to be everywhere in different optical systems, but i dont know how to say just the overall amount of information encoded | 16:35 |
| nmz787 | nm/pixel? | 16:35 |
| kanzure | ask jblake or steve | 16:35 |
| fenn | maybe it's just "number of pixels" | 16:35 |
| fenn | but that assumes you even have pixels at all | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | it's a round pixel ideally | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | but you also have astigmatism to correct for | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | it has an octopole if that helps | 16:37 |
| nmz787 | but idk if that influences beam shape | 16:37 |
| nmz787 | or just position | 16:37 |
| nmz787 | prob does slightly | 16:37 |
| nmz787 | idk how slightly | 16:37 |
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| nmz787 | fenn: I can try your pattern as soon as a converter is written and I get some free time | 16:48 |
| fenn | heh i forget, did i actually make a pattern? | 16:49 |
| nmz787 | yeah something that constantly changed width and spacing, i think | 16:50 |
| nmz787 | or maybe just spacing | 16:50 |
| fenn | both | 16:51 |
| fenn | it's really hard to show on a monitor because the difference in scales is so big | 16:51 |
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| fenn | nobody answered so i'm going with "spatial bandwidth" | 17:09 |
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| kanzure | there is something wrong with the planet's rotational axis | 17:22 |
| kanzure | why am i adjusting clocks this is bullshit | 17:22 |
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| fenn | to adjust to mating cycle of the reptilians from sirius B | 17:30 |
| fenn | it's the only logical explanation | 17:31 |
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| delinquentme | topkek | 17:53 |
| delinquentme | hue. | 17:53 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 17:53 |
| fenn | "A Turkish brand of small packaged muffins"? | 17:54 |
| fenn | delinquentme: are you memetically ill? | 17:55 |
| fenn | kek” emerges as a corruption of “lel” | 17:57 |
| delinquentme | ^_^ | 17:58 |
| delinquentme | meeeeeeeeeee? | 17:58 |
| delinquentme | yeah probabz | 17:58 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, hotness in photolithography: computational mask generation | 17:59 |
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| fenn | superKEK https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/KEKB_Belle_Detector.jpg | 18:07 |
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| delinquentme | fenn!!!!!!!!!! | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | SUPER KEK INDEED | 18:24 |
| fenn | it's not done yet | 18:25 |
| delinquentme | antikek | 18:27 |
| delinquentme | ok so say that I want to generate microfluidic pathways ... | 18:32 |
| delinquentme | topography is the mathematic discipline which would allow me to codify this stuff right? | 18:33 |
| kanzure | graph theory, yo | 18:39 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you sure? | 18:43 |
| delinquentme | I mean I could see " these are connected ... these arent " | 18:43 |
| kanzure | .title https://home.comcast.net/~botronics/ | 18:47 |
| yoleaux | Bill's Art bots | 18:47 |
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| fenn | delinquentme: topology | 19:13 |
| fenn | kanzure i thought you hated that sort of blinking LED crafty stuff | 19:15 |
| heath | delinquentme: if you're going to use topology, you might as well toss in haskell | 19:17 |
| heath | augur can teach all its ways since he has so much time these days ;P | 19:18 |
| heath | teach +you | 19:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: yep... | 19:18 |
| heath | k, back to the 1 year anniversary celebration thingy | 19:18 |
| delinquentme | heath, whaaa? | 19:19 |
| delinquentme | heath thats just a method for getting the math executed | 19:19 |
| augur | heath: i have free time? oh dear | 19:19 |
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| fenn | http://www.kellyheatonstudio.com/the-parallel-series-2004-2012-1 | 19:20 |
| fenn | .title http://vimeo.com/84070882 | 19:20 |
| yoleaux | The Night Tree in process (2012) on Vimeo | 19:20 |
| nmz787_p | why not just CAD? you can represent your curves as equations, and then just join equations in a piece-wise fashion | 19:20 |
| fenn | .title http://vimeo.com/84071875 | 19:20 |
| yoleaux | Restless Bird Chatters, Still Bird (2012) on Vimeo | 19:20 |
| fenn | this set of circuits is more 3D and distributed http://vimeo.com/84094761 | 19:22 |
| fenn | i told the artist she should incorporate the capacitance of the viewer into the circuit somehow, to vary the pitch and/or timing of chirps | 19:29 |
| fenn | real crickets stop chirping if you get near them | 19:29 |
| kanzure | http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130914131429/p__/protagonist/images/1/16/Jiminy_Cricket_standing_up_to_Lampwick.png | 19:36 |
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| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/Travel-money.jpg | 20:25 |
| kanzure | "you see, the ink in this dollar bill gets you really high" | 20:27 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://thepiratebay.se/search/knights%20of%20sidonia/0/99/0 | 20:33 |
| fenn | i was unimpressed with the anime | 20:34 |
| kanzure | well it's better than his last one | 20:34 |
| kanzure | bunch of still frames | 20:35 |
| fenn | it is a remarkably close to the manga though | 20:35 |
| fenn | they use way too much (100%?) cel-shaded 3d models, it's just something i can't get used to | 20:35 |
| fenn | i didnt like appleseed 2004 either | 20:36 |
| kanzure | i think if this continues to not be a complete failure that he will have enough clout to do a proper treatment of his other work | 20:37 |
| fenn | i don't know if that's possible | 20:37 |
| kanzure | sorry for getting your hopes up | 20:38 |
| kanzure | back to sleep mode | 20:38 |
| delinquentme | fenn, | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | I don't understand why " top kek " is so hilarious =/ | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | was sitting on bart ... laughing my ass off | 21:05 |
| delinquentme | all to myself | 21:05 |
| * delinquentme hev problems | 21:05 | |
| delinquentme | fenn, kanzure the cell shaded in eva 3.33 was the BESSSSSST | 21:05 |
| delinquentme | and you can adjust the lens all you want ... but proper perspective is SOOOO sexy | 21:06 |
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| delinquentme | I have to point out that every road into my hometown of fucking austria ... is fucking road https://www.google.com/maps/place/5121+Fucking,+Austria/@48.0673299,12.8633177,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4775d4854dbcba19:0x802456ee60b72a17 | 21:10 |
| Lemminkainen | delinquentme are you really from Fucking? | 21:10 |
| Lemminkainen | ich finde mir das schwer zu glauben | 21:11 |
| nmz787 | hah, i read that as australia | 21:13 |
| nmz787 | and was wondering why Lemminkainen was talking german | 21:13 |
| delinquentme | same town, different country Lemminkainen | 21:14 |
| delinquentme | country of witchoo | 21:14 |
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| fenn | it's mostly that the fake-cel shaded 3D faces have close to zero expressiveness | 21:30 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: wanna sell some FIB time for me? | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: the shop rate is $375 and hour | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | an* | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: we could rig up some web interface for orders and file conversions... I have to work on slicing CAD models into FIB files anyway | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | doing pools of orders like OSHpark does would probably be an efficiency booster | 22:01 |
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| fenn | how does 3D work with FIB? | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | just slice a 3D model like they do for 3D printers, basically | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | since it is ablation | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | or it's something like the negative of that if you want to deposit | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | I might have to replenish the platinum source, but supposedly that's more of a $500 operation than a $5k | 22:12 |
| nmz787 | and I think would last quite a while | 22:12 |
| nmz787 | but I will need that to add electrodes and such | 22:12 |
| nmz787 | the usergroup i went to last month for fib/sem dualbeam users had an employee who whipped up a script in freecad to slice and create polygon files | 22:13 |
| nmz787 | which are essentially the newer version of the pattern files i pasted the converter code for earlier | 22:13 |
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| nmz787 | the difference being you can now specify shapes, or the older x,y,dwell format | 22:14 |
| genehacker | what are you FIBing? | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | and also have multiple patterns packed into one polygon file for convenience. In my case i'll run different pattern files serially | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | sequentially | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | likely silicon to start | 22:14 |
| nmz787 | or glass | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | sputterred with carbon i think | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | (to conduct charge as FIBing occurs) | 22:15 |
| nmz787 | I think I'll start with a macro-to-micro fluidic adapter | 22:16 |
| nmz787 | something I can use later in a cpu-socket-like fashion with micro/nano fluidics | 22:17 |
| nmz787 | i may find that it isn't reusable, but the master should be replicable | 22:17 |
| nmz787 | err, there would be a master for just making single/limited use items | 22:18 |
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| delinquentme | nmz787, where be the FIB? | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | apparently you can get a birth certificate for a home birth with a family bible with names and dates written in it... at the FIB shop they have this microscopic bible on a smaller-than-dime sized pendant type thing... which could be appended to with names... :D | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: 5 mins from my hous | 22:19 |
| nmz787 | 'here judge, check out my family bible with this loupe, and if that doesn't work, here's this phase-contrast microscope' | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: just outside portland OR | 22:20 |
| delinquentme | theres another here in SF I might have access to | 22:20 |
| delinquentme | IDK what the hourly would be .. | 22:21 |
| genehacker | well is it readable with an optical microscope? | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | genehacker: yeah | 22:21 |
| delinquentme | I thought about this for engraving on really expensive items | 22:21 |
| delinquentme | watches n shite | 22:21 |
| delinquentme | but thats like weh. | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | watches could be harder unless you could take off some plate to put in the machine | 22:21 |
| delinquentme | actually I have no idea on the hardness that a FIB could handle engraving on........ | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | just cause i assume the gears may be lubed | 22:21 |
| genehacker | neat, now I wonder what it would take to FIB all this onto something sturdy: | 22:21 |
| genehacker | http://www.survivorlibrary.com/ | 22:21 |
| nmz787 | which might contiuously boil off iun vacuum | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | genehacker: can you compare it to the volume of a bible? | 22:22 |
| genehacker | because PDF files don't work after computers don't work | 22:22 |
| nmz787 | oh, that seems to be potentially 100s of books | 22:23 |
| genehacker | how big was the bible? | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | 1 book | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | heh | 22:23 |
| genehacker | in millimeters? | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | random interet: 593,493 in the Old Testament and 181,253 in the New Testament giving 774,746 words. | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | (words) | 22:24 |
| genehacker | the FIBed one? | 22:24 |
| nmz787 | http://www.norsam.com/lanlreport.html | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | 'Each disc is 2.2 inches in diameter and contains approximately 9000 pages of text or images' | 22:25 |
| fenn | microfilm is a well proven technology | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | 'For temperatures up to 300 oC (570 oF) and times up to 65 h in laboratory air, the text remained readable. Exposures to saltwater, tap water, and a simulated marine air environment for 15 weeks did not affect readability of the text. The corrosion rate was measured as a function of time for seven days and was approximately 1 mm per year, which suggested that the disc could survive a long time in the saltwater if the environmental conditions ... | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | ... remained the same. However, these results cannot be extrapolated to very long times because chemical changes in the environment that may take place with time were not taken into account.' | 22:25 |
| nmz787 | this is an impression in plastic, coated with gold and then coated in more plastic | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | so the data is sandwiched | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | at least that is one form you can store it as | 22:27 |
| genehacker | now I wonder what it would take to do a small run of the survival library or some other 'restart society library' on that | 22:28 |
| fenn | is there a reason not to just use something like a daguerrotype, silver on glass, maybe with an epoxy coating to prevent oxidation and scratches | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | i bet there is kickstarter money | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | if you couple it with the right eyepiece | 22:28 |
| genehacker | you guessed it | 22:28 |
| genehacker | but I wonder if you could get enough kickstarter money to do a small batch at a semiconductor fab | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | fenn this is produced with something like LIGA | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | .wik LIGA | 22:29 |
| yoleaux | "LIGA is a German acronym for Lithographie, Galvanoformung, Abformung (Lithography, Electroplating, and Molding) that describes a fabrication technology used to create high-aspect-ratio microstructures." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGA | 22:29 |
| fenn | so what | 22:29 |
| nmz787 | i assume the difference may be in the speed of degradation of the master with repeated moldings | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | ? | 22:30 |
| fenn | that is a pretty cool picture tho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ant_with_gear.jpg | 22:30 |
| fenn | if the only goal is data storage, exposing film seems about as effecient as hot press molding | 22:31 |
| fenn | is styrene or whatever they make the discs out of more stable than polyester camera film? | 22:32 |
| fenn | but film can be exposed digitally for infinite variation | 22:32 |
| fenn | there's that new m-disc archival dvd but eh | 22:32 |
| fenn | much easier to build a microfilm reader from scratch than a dvd player | 22:33 |
| genehacker | I wonder if this is the same rosetta disk? | 22:34 |
| genehacker | http://rosettaproject.org/disk/concept/ | 22:34 |
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| nmz787 | http://rosettaproject.org/blog/02008/aug/20/very-long-term-backup/ | 22:38 |
| nmz787 | yes | 22:38 |
| nmz787 | well | 22:38 |
| nmz787 | at least that company is mentioned there | 22:38 |
| nmz787 | oh, yes, 'This technology, developed by Los Alamos Laboratories and Norsam Technologies' | 22:40 |
| fenn | they should add a "book of genesis" translated into modern physics-ese as well | 22:42 |
| fenn | throwing all this technology into preserving a ridiculous fairy tale | 22:43 |
| fenn | hrmph | 22:43 |
| genehacker | and that's why they should preserve something useful like physics | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | well, it was more a proof of concept | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | there was someone at one point thinking of making jewelry with the texts | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | there are some sanskrit things too | 22:44 |
| fenn | isn't it just the book of genesis translated into sanskrit? | 22:45 |
| nmz787 | and gailic knot things | 22:45 |
| nmz787 | idk, i figured it was the bhagavadgita or something | 22:45 |
| fenn | that's hardly an improvement | 22:45 |
| genehacker | or how to build a device to read a disc with compressed data | 22:46 |
| nmz787 | isn't it a little more upfront about interpreting it it | 22:46 |
| fenn | it turns out the reason they chose genesis as the sample text (lots of translations) wasn't even true; there weren't already samples of genesis translated into 1000 languages | 22:48 |
| fenn | since they already had to translate 1000 things why not at least pick something useful | 22:48 |
| nmz787 | oh, are you talking about the rosettaproject fenn? | 22:48 |
| fenn | yes but i figure norsam is heavily involved in that project | 22:49 |
| genehacker | because some languages might not have a word for proton | 22:49 |
| nmz787 | re indian text i meant norsam jewelry stuff | 22:49 |
| nmz787 | seems like it happened in 2008 | 22:49 |
| nmz787 | doesn't seem to have been any momentum | 22:49 |
| genehacker | because then you can exploit religious fervor to preserve data | 22:49 |
| nmz787 | probably because nerdy enough folks don't like genesis enough or something | 22:50 |
| fenn | "This is a Long Now project, which means it is okay if it takes a while." lame | 22:50 |
| fenn | "it's okay if we never finish because someone else will do it after we're dead" | 22:50 |
| nmz787 | now that survival manual, with a pocket jewelers loupe, that would sell | 22:50 |
| genehacker | yup | 22:50 |
| nmz787 | maybe it could be a locket with the optic inside too | 22:50 |
| fenn | the constitution of the united states engraved on every bullet | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | hah | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | that could definitely be done i think | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | unless the powder would offgas | 22:51 |
| genehacker | well liga isn't cheap | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | or explode in the FIB somehow (i don't think that would happen) | 22:51 |
| fenn | the roundness would be an issue | 22:51 |
| genehacker | nope | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | pretty sure as soon as the charge gets to the target it's voltage diminishes since it's such low resistance and such low current | 22:52 |
| genehacker | http://www.natureinterface.com/e/ni07/P058-059/ | 22:52 |
| nmz787 | a box of ammo would be hundreds of dollars though | 22:52 |
| fenn | "n 2004 the Rosetta Space Probe was launched by the European Space Agency. This small craft was created to land on a comet in 2014. Before it blasted off, the ESA contacted us because we share names. They asked if we'd like to mount a version of the disk on their probe. Of course we would! We had manufactured a pure nickel disc with a subset of 6,000 pages of language translations, which was | 22:52 |
| nmz787 | only the richest freedom fighters | 22:52 |
| fenn | mounted on the payload section of the probe." | 22:52 |
| fenn | well it's not quite the voyager message | 22:53 |
| nmz787 | that's why america is tops | 22:55 |
| nmz787 | we put a poor bluesman into space | 22:55 |
| fenn | somehow it's weird to think that a german spacecraft landed on a comet | 22:55 |
| genehacker | well it hasn't landed yet? | 22:56 |
| fenn | "With Rosetta in orbit 30 km (19 mi) above the comet's surface, ESA examined several potential landing sites for Philae. On 15 September 2014, ESA announced Site J on the "head" of the comet as the lander's destination.[40] Philae is scheduled to detach from Rosetta on 12 November 2014 at 08:35 UTC, with a landing seven hours later." | 22:57 |
| fenn | excuse me, "is landing" | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | huh, i didn't know johnny b goode was on voyager somehow, or i forgot | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | i remember in some media article reading about the blind willie guy | 22:58 |
| fenn | there were a lot of different music samples | 22:58 |
| nmz787 | apparently there was an SNL skit based on this fact... E.T. replies 'send more chuck berry' | 22:59 |
| genehacker | now I wonder how much 'legitimately obtained' music one could store on a norsam disc | 22:59 |
| fenn | probably less than a DVD | 22:59 |
| genehacker | and if modern semiconductor processes are used? | 23:00 |
| fenn | more than a blu-ray | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | track to track on bluray is 320nm | 23:01 |
| fenn | part of the trick is in making it readable | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | is a spiral a non-ideal data origin? | 23:01 |
| genehacker | use an electron beam instead of a laser | 23:01 |
| fenn | the tracks may not be perfectly accurate but they stay mostly circular (locally linear) | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | yeah the readability is pretty key if you want to survive an apocalypse | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | 'kids, this disc has all the secrets of my world, guard it like magic' | 23:02 |
| fenn | i like the idea of storing analog "how to build a dvd reader" instructions on one side and data on the other | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | well I just mean as far as easily telling where to start reading from, a spiral has a center | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | you might also have one for 'how to compile 7zip' | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | unless by DVD reader you mean AM/PCM audio | 23:03 |
| fenn | aren't you old enough to remember "self extracting archive" | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | 'it was all worth it to listen to some good old chuck berry' | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | genehacker: did you look at the voter pamphlet? | 23:04 |
| genehacker | somewhat | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | most of the descriptions are absolutely worthless | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | for the ppl | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | it lists educational institution, but not field of study | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | and some of the text was mostly bashing the other candidates running against them | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | and apparently I don't know how to find a good online source for something similar but with real information | 23:06 |
| fenn | the norsam process seems to be able to reliably generate at least 1 micron features, and the disc is 2.2 inches in diameter, so assuming one bit per square micron that's 2.5 billion square microns or 300MB | 23:30 |
| fenn | obviously smaller features lead to higher density | 23:31 |
| fenn | it looks like the full surface of the disc is not used | 23:34 |
| fenn | huh 3d does work after all http://www.norsam.com/images/pegasus.jpg | 23:36 |
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