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| nmz787 | I really wish this came with a 1080 display http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-X205TA-DH01-11-6-inch-Laptop-Dark/dp/B00OBA5AZU/ | 00:19 |
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| nmz787 | .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0EBQKdQyyM | 03:22 |
| yoleaux | (FULL) Ebola In Town - Shadow, D-12 & Kuzzy of 2kings (Liberia) - YouTube | 03:22 |
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| kanzure | aha, so he has a brother that he hates | 04:28 |
| kanzure | that explains a lot | 04:28 |
| kanzure | i also suspected that his concerns were non-legitimate | 04:28 |
| kanzure | a family member is not a sufficient reason to worry about you causing all labs in the world to be increasingly blown up | 04:28 |
| kanzure | 20:47 < OP_NULL> only 1679 transactions in the whole history of Bitcoin aren't P2SH/P2PKH/multisig/OP_RETURN/raw pubkey. | 04:31 |
| kanzure | http://evilrouters.net/mirror/doxbin.strangled.net.tar | 04:36 |
| FourFire | increasingly? | 04:50 |
| kanzure | yes he was worried that his interest in science would cause people to choose to blow up more buildings than they usually would | 04:51 |
| FourFire | who are we talking about here, I'm afraid I missed the context entirely | 04:52 |
| FourFire | sounds entirely too narcissistic to me | 04:52 |
| kanzure | the context is irrelevant | 04:52 |
| kanzure | it was a bad idea then and it's still a bad idea now | 04:52 |
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| kanzure | https://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/14-11-03-drupal-sql-injection-vulnerability-PoC.html | 05:35 |
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| chris_99 | http://adamsblog.aperturelabs.com/2013/01/fun-with-masked-roms.html | 05:36 |
| kanzure | hm | 05:37 |
| kanzure | "Back in the early '70s, when Hughes Semiconductor was playing with PMOS chips, we used a technique of placing a powered up chip under a scanning electron microscope at fairly low magnification. The resulting image was very clear as to which traces were at 5V and which were at ground. Made recovering ROM data almost trivial, and worked great." | 05:38 |
| kanzure | "apply electron microscope directly to chip" solves all problems guaranteed no money back | 05:39 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.seanriddle.com/psu.html | 05:39 |
| yoleaux | Sean Riddle's Home Page - 3851 PSU ROM bits | 05:39 |
| chris_99 | heh cool, theres also a mechanism to use lasers to read SRAM | 05:39 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKyf8fsH6w | 06:03 |
| yoleaux | Ralph Merkle - An introduction to Molecular Nanotechnology - YouTube | 06:03 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705raszSLGA | 06:05 |
| yoleaux | Mechanosynthesis - Ralph Merkle & Robert Freitas - YouTube | 06:05 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4NhtUoADfE | 06:06 |
| yoleaux | 6 - 3 - The Merkle-Damgard Paradigm-Cryptography-Professor Dan Boneh - YouTube | 06:06 |
| kanzure | huh, he has no lecture videos about cryptography? | 06:06 |
| kanzure | are we sure it's the same ralph merkle | 06:06 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhPtQd9rAEo | 06:07 |
| yoleaux | Part 1: Ralph Merkle on the State of the Art of Cryopreservation - YouTube | 06:07 |
| kanzure | andytoshi: you may be amused by that last one | 06:07 |
| andytoshi | ooh, will watch | 06:08 |
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| kanzure | seized .onions https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-November/035606.html | 06:57 |
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| kanzure | i don't understand, this claims to be about forms and not models, but looks exactly like models to me https://github.com/apotonick/reform | 07:14 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8579280 | 07:17 |
| yoleaux | Logs of compromised Tor site released | Hacker News | 07:17 |
| kanzure | "I've studied Tor vulnerabilities for two years. I'm seeing signs of traffic confirmation (active), traffic confirmation (passive), stream watermarking, and a massive willingness to shape control of the network with DoS. Just about every attack on hidden services (active and passive), of which I am aware, was deployed, all at once. The malformed packet DoS was especially clever. And I'm sure a ton more were used that never made it to the ... | 07:18 |
| kanzure | ... academic research. It was almost comical, like the star ship captain saying "now on my mark, fire all photon torpedoes!" They just revealed a massive amount of capability to send a message: Tor is not safe. They want everyone to know that despite that sticker on Snowden's laptop, Tor remains vulnerable. But what remains interesting, and glaringly obviously absent, is user identification. The NSA does not appear to be able to deanonymize ... | 07:18 |
| kanzure | ... users at will. That is, given enough time and enough resources, they can ID hidden services and long-term users, but given an arbitrary Tor exit and and TCP stream, they can't simply follow it back to its origin. A for effort. But in organizaton it looks like a military campaign, not a cyber attack. Straight out of the "total dominance" playbook. But of course it won't work. Tor isn't a country. Its an idea. You can't force the Internet ... | 07:18 |
| kanzure | ... to "submit." All this did was make blindingly obvious holes that many researchers have been asking to be fixed for a while." | 07:18 |
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| chris_99 | there doesn't really seem any solution to a global adversary though | 07:21 |
| chris_99 | unless you made the hidden service massively distributed maybe | 07:22 |
| kanzure | it would probably help to not always run a .onion. maybe just a few hours a week, randomly. | 07:23 |
| chris_99 | maybe something more like freenet where it replicates data would work better, i dunno | 07:24 |
| kanzure | https://blog.torservers.net/20141109/three-servers-offline-likely-seized.html | 07:24 |
| kanzure | "Last Thursday we noticed that three servers went down. Those servers were used to run Tor exit nodes, 10 in total. We tried to get in contact with our providers which weren’t able to tell us anything and also could not reboot the servers nor give us access to them. On the same day it was reported that several government agencies took down hidden services. Even though our machines were only used as exit nodes, we believe that our machines ... | 07:24 |
| kanzure | ... were also seized by law enforcement officials. We are trying to get further information about the incident. As soon as we know more we will inform you." | 07:25 |
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| kanzure | yashgaroth: hi | 07:33 |
| yashgaroth | yo | 07:33 |
| kanzure | what's up | 07:35 |
| yashgaroth | back from england, saw chido & pasky at brmlab, electrocuted some marshmallows there, a good time | 07:35 |
| kanzure | oh good | 07:37 |
| kanzure | brmlab is not in england, though | 07:38 |
| yashgaroth | ya I was in prague for a few days, saw some castles and shit | 07:38 |
| kanzure | there's a few other people in prague worth meeting | 07:38 |
| kanzure | i would have hooked you up :| | 07:38 |
| kanzure | castles n' shit awesome | 07:38 |
| yashgaroth | who else in prague, other brmlab people? | 07:38 |
| * bkero will be in Prague on Thursday. | 07:39 | |
| kanzure | various hacker types | 07:39 |
| kanzure | bkero: you should hang out at brmlab and meet chido/pasky for sure | 07:39 |
| yashgaroth | well go check out brmlab, they will play you kraftwerk on their tesla coil, ask for one of my marshmallows | 07:39 |
| kanzure | sanky is in prague somewhere | 07:39 |
| bkero | kanzure: want to make an introduction? :) | 07:39 |
| kanzure | pasky: hey here is a new victim | 07:40 |
| kanzure | done | 07:40 |
| pasky | hmm thursday is not such a good day | 07:40 |
| bkero | I'll be there until the 18th, doing a hackathon for a piece of open source groupware | 07:40 |
| pasky | we won't be at brmlab | 07:40 |
| pasky | ah | 07:40 |
| bkero | :) | 07:40 |
| kanzure | i feel like i'm forgetting someone in prague though | 07:40 |
| bkero | The only person I know in prague is slvrbckt | 07:40 |
| bkero | a fellow hackerbeacher | 07:41 |
| pasky | do stop by, then - i'm not sure in advance which evening we'll be in, so just ping me during the day if you want | 07:41 |
| bkero | I can do that | 07:41 |
| bkero | Around where in the city is it? | 07:41 |
| pasky | Vltavska subway station | 07:41 |
| bkero | Mmm okay | 07:42 |
| bkero | I don't think that's too far | 07:42 |
| pasky | red line | 07:42 |
| kanzure | pasky is it true that you have pneumatic delivery | 07:43 |
| kanzure | .wik prague pneumatic post | 07:43 |
| pasky | the pipes are still in place but it's not functional | 07:43 |
| yoleaux | "The Prague pneumatic post (Czech: Pražská potrubní pošta) is the world's last preserved municipal pneumatic post system. It is an underground system of metal tubes under the wider centre of Prague, totaling about 55 kilometres (34 mi) in length." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_pneumatic_post | 07:43 |
| kanzure | damn | 07:43 |
| pasky | some people were talking about pouring money into it | 07:43 |
| pasky | but i don't know if that is happenning | 07:43 |
| kanzure | literally? | 07:43 |
| pasky | probably not :) | 07:44 |
| bkero | Heh. "Sold on by former owner Telefónica O2 Czech Republic after some limited attempts to make repairs,[3] the system now belongs to businessman Zdeněk Dražil, who has announced plans to repair and reopen it as a working tourist attraction.[4] As of 2012, however, it remains closed." | 07:44 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/A%20denial%20of%20service%20attack%20against%20fair%20computations%20using%20Bitcoin%20deposits.pdf | 07:46 |
| kanzure | hm this version of chrome is very bad at loading multiple pdfs | 07:53 |
| kanzure | "Our construction is based on indistinguishability obfuscation and obliviously-patchable puncturable pseudorandom functions" http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/910.pdf | 07:55 |
| kanzure | chrome crashed. hooray... | 07:59 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/security/cryptography/How%20to%20use%20indistinguishability%20obfuscation:%20deniable%20encryption,%20and%20more.pdf | 08:03 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/security/Baseband%20attacks:%20Remote%20exploitation%20of%20memory%20corruptions%20in%20cellular%20protocol%20stacks.pdf | 08:05 |
| kanzure | "On Apple iPhones, JTAG access seems to be completely locked down. Hence, our debugging capabilities are limited. Baseband crash logs and baseband crash dumps are the only debugging facilities we found (an example of a baseband crash log is given in Appendix B). These are copied from the iPhone to a computer during the sync process. Alternatively crash logs can be obtained directly on jailbroken phones using an AT command, AT+XLOG. Baseband ... | 08:06 |
| kanzure | ... crash dumps can be enabled by dialing *5005*CORE# in the phone dialer. These can be extracted from the directory /Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Baseband on jailbroken phones." | 08:06 |
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| bkero | So | 10:56 |
| bkero | I'm headed to CERN tomorrow | 10:56 |
| bkero | for a tour of the ATLAS experiment | 10:56 |
| bkero | and I'm not sure what questions I should ask | 10:56 |
| chris_99 | nice | 10:57 |
| kanzure | bkero: how about the engineering planning aspects? | 10:58 |
| kanzure | and coordination | 10:59 |
| kanzure | number of parts, timeline, debugging, did it work perfectly day one and how | 10:59 |
| bkero | Engineering planning aspects? I think they're done with the build. Right now they have the tunnel down for maintenance though. | 10:59 |
| bkero | So I'll actually be able to go down into the tunnel. | 10:59 |
| bkero | but yeah. I'm gettina tour by the openstack/ceph guys, so I can ask them all about the data acquisition and recording and infrastructure too | 11:00 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1062976910000475 | 11:21 |
| kanzure | "Adverse selection and reputation in a world of cheap talk" | 11:21 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Adverse%20selection%20and%20reputation%20in%20a%20world%20of%20cheap%20talk%0A%20.pdf | 11:21 |
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| kanzure | https://soundcloud.com/suffusedmusic/frisky-diary-043?in=suffusedmusic/sets/diary | 11:33 |
| kanzure | 043 is good | 11:33 |
| delinquentme | I IZ WAKE | 11:38 |
| delinquentme | HEAR ROAR | 11:38 |
| * delinquentme meow | 11:39 | |
| delinquentme | kanzure, there is a time / place for this extended chill | 11:39 |
| delinquentme | idk if its right now 4 me | 11:39 |
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| andytoshi | hi, i would like to learn to read rot13 fluently. has anyone does this? any tips? | 11:56 |
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| ThomasEgi | paperbot, http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0893-3200.13.3.321 | 12:00 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1037%2F0893-3200.13.3.321 | 12:00 |
| justanotheruser | andytoshi: wat | 12:03 |
| justanotheruser | Like you want to be able to read rot13 and understand it without translating? | 12:04 |
| andytoshi | yes | 12:04 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 12:04 |
| justanotheruser | are you being serious? | 12:04 |
| andytoshi | (a) for brain plasticity, (b) to see what it feels like (answer: based on the last 5 mins of doing it, you stop seeing the actual letters and just read the english, which is a weird disconnect), (c) as a party trick | 12:04 |
| andytoshi | justanotheruser: yes | 12:04 |
| justanotheruser | I guess those are good reasons. I can't read it, but you should just read a bunch of basic sentences that are rot13. I can't imagine it's too hard to get used to reading one letter as another. | 12:06 |
| kanzure | yeah i think it is possible | 12:15 |
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| ParahSailin_ | is it possible to learn to read cyrillic? | 12:38 |
| kanzure | nah that's definitely impossible | 12:40 |
| justanotheruser | ParahSailin_: no, it is only a spoken language, the letters are there because russians think they look cool | 12:40 |
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| jrayhawk | https://www.sciencenews.org/article/home-brain-stimulation-gaining-followers a surprisingly thorough article | 12:49 |
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| kanzure | "Right now, it’s perfectly legal to build or buy a tDCS system." wait what? | 12:57 |
| chris_99 | can anyone recommend any manufacturers of trinocular microscopes, i'm looking at nikon and olympus atm | 13:00 |
| kanzure | amscope sent me an okay microscope for a few hundred bucks, but it's not world-changing | 13:00 |
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| chris_99 | aha let me check them out | 13:01 |
| kanzure | 100x objectives are pretty lame, try to find a 400x solid objective lens with some sort of pluggable illumination system | 13:01 |
| chris_99 | was yours trinocular? | 13:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:02 |
| chris_99 | do you have a link/model of yours per chance? | 13:03 |
| kanzure | this is pretty close: http://web.archive.org/web/20140419055419/http://www.amscope.com/t120c.html | 13:04 |
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| chris_99 | cheers | 13:04 |
| chris_99 | you don't happen to know the manufacturer, since i'm in the UK i'll try and find a local supplier | 13:10 |
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| chris_99 | oh some people are selling some on Amazon uk | 13:16 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: was your first response this morning directed at me? | 13:18 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: I don't have a brother, at least not a real one | 13:18 |
| kanzure | no not you | 13:22 |
| kanzure | chris_99: this wont get you very good 2000x :-/ | 13:22 |
| chris_99 | hmmm, maybe look for a nikon/olympus one? 2nd hand | 13:23 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99: depends on what you want to do | 13:35 |
| chris_99 | so, looking at doing stuff like decapping chips potentially | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | http://adamsblog.aperturelabs.com/2013/01/fun-with-masked-roms.html | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | just read that | 13:36 |
| kanzure | electron microscope would be more useful with decapping | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | yeah you likely won't be able to see much recent processes... | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | I'm not sure what year most chips got smaller than the diffraction limit of vis light | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | i made large-scale transistors for a class, | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | i think they were 150 or 300 microns | 13:37 |
| kanzure | how large? | 13:37 |
| kanzure | ok | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | hundreds | 13:37 |
| kanzure | did you test them? | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | can't remember exactly | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | little wires that moved into view on a scope | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | chip testing station | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | ' | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | ... there's a more appropriate name | 13:37 |
| nmz787 | wafer inspection station, maybe | 13:37 |
| chris_99 | hmm aren't things like microcontrollers, still made on a larger fab process, or is that not the case anymore | 13:38 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99: probably depends on how 'cloner' the fab is | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | i don't realy know | 13:39 |
| nmz787 | ebay has listings for 'wafer probe' and 'wafer inspection' but I can't seem to filter for only UK listing | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: you should check to see if any schools around you have underutilized equipment... for example there's a catholic highschool in the next town that has a highly underutilized SEM | 13:42 |
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| chris_99 | mmm interesting | 13:42 |
| chris_99 | http://siliconpr0n.org/map/microchip/pic32mx695f_512h-80ip/top_metal_mit20x/ -- that's a fairly modern PIC btw | 13:42 |
| nmz787 | no scale bars | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | well | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | that are correct | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | 'damn that chip is 1000s of km wide' | 13:43 |
| nmz787 | using monochromatic light would help to resolve the finest photo-features with a non-optimal microscope | 13:44 |
| nmz787 | this has a table of process scale timeline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication | 13:45 |
| nmz787 | says 10 micron hasn't been popular since 1971 | 13:45 |
| nmz787 | :P | 13:45 |
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| kanzure | "For a great example of DYIBio, the story of Russell Marker and his work in steroids is an entertaining read[1] He basically bailed on his PhD which caused his advisor to say "you'll never be more than a urine analyst". He moved to Mexico and started running his own lab to extract a hormone precursor from Mexican yams. At the time, several steroids were selling for hundreds of dollars a gram. He was able to make them for a hundredth of that. ... | 14:11 |
| kanzure | ... can't find the original paper, but apparently his crowning achievement was when he published his seminal work and the address he provided was the Calinda Geneve hotel in Mexico City. [1] http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/progesteronesynthesis.html " | 14:11 |
| nmz787 | so I went through my notes from the IC Technology class I took where we made the transistors, and apparently I take bad notes, as I found something that said 600-650uM but I am not sure if that was the feature scale (line width) or the transistor width | 14:14 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: this material may interest you http://people.rit.edu/lffeee/emcr701lab.htm | 14:15 |
| chris_99 | ta, just watching a talk on decapping | 14:15 |
| nmz787 | pg 39 lists some lab demo sizes http://people.rit.edu/lffeee/Lec_CAD.pdf | 14:16 |
| nmz787 | 'PMOS Transistor L=20 µm, W=100 µm' | 14:17 |
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| nmz787 | the last two PDFS in that table are on chip testing | 14:18 |
| nmz787 | hah, they're using the Digilent Analog Discovery kit for some stuff | 14:19 |
| chris_99 | do they rate the maximum resolution of a microscope lens as lp/mm like with camera lenses or something else | 14:19 |
| nmz787 | apparently they're offerring a short course in January http://www.rit.edu/kgcoe/eme/IC%20Short%20Course | 14:21 |
| nmz787 | doesn't list a cost though, so it could be free (I doubt it, though it is possible) or it's ridiculous | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: they usually just quote the diffraction limit | 14:23 |
| chris_99 | ah ok | 14:23 |
| nmz787 | I'm not sure what the actual 'tested value' would be written as | 14:23 |
| nmz787 | 'On the other hand, in electron microscopy, line or fringe resolution refers to the minimum separation detectable between adjacent parallel lines (e.g. between planes of atoms), while point resolution instead refers to the minimum separation between adjacent points that can be both detected and interpreted e.g. as adjacent columns of atoms, for instance. The former often helps one detect periodicity in specimens, while the latter (although more ... | 14:25 |
| nmz787 | ... difficult to achieve) is key to visualizing how individual atoms interact.' | 14:25 |
| nmz787 | .wik Image resolution | 14:25 |
| yoleaux | "Image resolution is the detail an image holds. The term applies to raster digital images, film images, and other types of images. Higher resolution means more image detail." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_resolution | 14:25 |
| chris_99 | "Typical magnification of a light microscope, assuming visible range light, is up to 1250x with a theoretical resolution limit of around 0.250 micrometres or 250 nanometres." | 14:27 |
| chris_99 | "Sarfus, a recent optical technique increases the sensitivity of standard optical microscope to a point it becomes possible to directly visualize nanometric films (down to 0.3 nanometre) and isolated nano-objects (down to 2 nm-diameter). The technique is based on the use of non-reflecting substrates for cross-polarized reflected light microscopy." | 14:27 |
| chris_99 | that sounds interesting | 14:27 |
| nmz787 | the nobel prize tihs year or last was for super-res light microscopy | 14:29 |
| nmz787 | but that was some crayz fluorophore or multi-photon thing | 14:29 |
| nmz787 | fluorophore-quencing* | 14:29 |
| nmz787 | quenching | 14:29 |
| chris_99 | aha interesting | 14:29 |
| chris_99 | so if the limit is 250nm with conventional stuff, does it mean you only see copper traces etc. on the chip, but not the transistors themsevles | 14:30 |
| nmz787 | depends on the fab process scale | 14:31 |
| nmz787 | 'Electrons boil off the filament and ionize the gas. Solenoid make electrons follow a spiral path increasing ionization' | 14:31 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: is wget the best way to scrape recursively all content from this page ? http://people.rit.edu/lffeee/ | 14:41 |
| nmz787 | it would be good to have a mirror of that | 14:41 |
| kanzure | it's an okay way of doing that | 14:46 |
| nmz787 | crazy to think i took that lab class in 2009 | 14:51 |
| nmz787 | these could be useful, on non-excel format http://people.rit.edu/lffeee/tools/ (I guess excel /is/ useful too) | 14:53 |
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| nmz787 | this is pretty cool, the opposite of de-packaging http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/rit/RIT_Package.pdf | 15:05 |
| nmz787 | shows some MEMS and even a microfludiic example | 15:05 |
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| nmz787 | more on that here http://people.rit.edu/lffeee/Fluid_Channels.pdf | 15:07 |
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| nmz787 | 'TAPES FOR DICING' | 15:08 |
| nmz787 | special sticky tape | 15:08 |
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| chris_99 | btw nmz787 turns out the talk i'm watching in the latter 1/2 is about that mask rom think i linked to earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z4aF-qiziM | 15:19 |
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| ParahSailin_ | nmz787: why are they wearing the veils wrong | 16:02 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin_: which? | 16:07 |
| ParahSailin_ | http://people.rit.edu/lffeee/LynnElainaLab.jpg | 16:08 |
| ParahSailin_ | for the photo op i guess | 16:08 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/progesteronesynthesis.html | 16:10 |
| yoleaux | Russell Marker Creation of the Mexican Steroid Hormone Industry - Landmark - American Chemical Society | 16:10 |
| kanzure | uhh | 16:12 |
| kanzure | "Marker ended his research program at Penn State during 1943 and resigned on December 1. He also told Parke-Davis he would only sign patent applications until that date. When the company delayed until April 1944, Marker refused to assign patent rights to anyone, including himself, thus granting free use of his invention to anyone interested." | 16:12 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure that's how it works.... | 16:12 |
| kanzure | "According to Marker, Somlo was to receive 52% of the shares, Lehmann, 8%, and Marker, 40%, partly in return for his two kilos of progesterone." | 16:12 |
| kanzure | progesterone4equity, got it | 16:12 |
| kanzure | "In May 1945, a rancorous dispute between Marker and his partners over profits and their distribution caused Marker to sever all ties with Syntex and leave the company. Syntex was unable to make more progesterone because Marker not only had done the key operations himself but had coded the reagent bottles and left no directions." | 16:13 |
| kanzure | meh | 16:27 |
| streety | at least he was deliberate, often when people move on you don't know what they did even though their intention was that you would | 16:32 |
| kanzure | is that your way of saying i don't email you enough? :) | 16:33 |
| kanzure | (i know it's not.) | 16:33 |
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| streety | more me reflecting on the state of my lab notebooks from my PhD | 16:41 |
| kanzure | ah | 16:42 |
| kanzure | oh deliberate about not labeling | 16:42 |
| streety | yeah | 16:44 |
| streety | I wonder if there are more or less opportunities today for that sort of enterprise | 16:46 |
| streety | We understand much more synthetic chemistry but we also use a wider variety of chemicals | 16:46 |
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| heath | kanzure: your Adverse selection and reputation in a world of cheap talk paper linked earlier doesn't seem to work, guess i should try on a different box | 18:57 |
| heath | s/doesn't seem to work/doesn't seem to be valid a pdf | 18:57 |
| kanzure | paperbot is still broken | 18:58 |
| kanzure | everyone likes to complain but nobody fixes | 18:58 |
| heath | that seems more like a hosting problem? | 19:00 |
| heath | oh, maybe it didn't fetch the correct file | 19:00 |
| kanzure | the problem is ec2 | 19:02 |
| kanzure | nmz787 added a thing to check ec2, the ec2 server is failing | 19:02 |
| kanzure | .. or something. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | i don't know the exact source of the problem | 19:08 |
| kanzure | i want the radiation keycap http://i.imgur.com/p6oQASl.jpg | 19:11 |
| kanzure | oh, just a fan | 19:11 |
| kanzure | or a biohazard keycap. hrm. | 19:11 |
| justanotheruser | looks like it would fit poorly o_O | 19:19 |
| kanzure | biohazard symbols make you type faster | 19:20 |
| kanzure | ... maybe. | 19:20 |
| fenn | what does "GEEK HACK" key do? | 19:27 |
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| catern | geek hack is a keyboard ricer community | 19:43 |
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| nmz787 | ricer as in modifying Nissan automobiles? | 19:51 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin_: the hoods in that pic look like they're being worn correctly... if it was backwards their faces would be covered | 19:52 |
| ParahSailin_ | i can see their noses | 19:53 |
| nmz787 | why is that wrong? | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | there are various levels of cleanroom garments | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | I was in a clean room an hour ago in a Levi's flannel | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | ParahSailin_: some mixed dress in the same image https://www.rit.edu/kgcoe/sites/rit.edu.kgcoe/files/styles/resource_image/public/image.jpg?itok=oMtWDib_ | 19:56 |
| nmz787 | does anyone think a pay-per-minute FIB/SEM online experience be worth putting together? Or maybe a silicon Capture-The-Flag challenge that had a component that connected you to a real FIB (it could even be faked, if you slice and image the IC completely... which might be a lot of work) | 19:59 |
| fenn | it's wrong because the whole point of the face mask is to prevent particulates from coming out of your mouth and nose | 20:09 |
| fenn | also, a true ninja never shows his nose | 20:09 |
| fenn | so sarfus can only mesaure superresolution in the axial dimension? | 20:18 |
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| nmz787 | meh, lots of people don't even wear facemasks, just the hoods | 20:42 |
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| nmz787 | I guess I don't know how intel fabs generally look | 20:44 |
| nmz787 | but that's how it was at school | 20:44 |
| nmz787 | mostly as I remember the guys without beards more often didn't have a mask on | 20:45 |
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| delinquentme | just found a bug in gcloud :P | 21:19 |
| delinquentme | HUE HUE HUE HUE auth schemez | 21:19 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, will sell to you for 5 crates of pomagranites | 21:21 |
| delinquentme | no wait 10 | 21:21 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, you need to get in on this bidding warz | 21:22 |
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| kanzure | .title https://code.google.com/p/lea/ | 23:21 |
| yoleaux | lea - Discrete probability distributions in Python - Google Project Hosting | 23:22 |
| fenn | the lesswrong people will love that | 23:24 |
| kanzure | interstellar wasn't the total let down its trailers made it out to be | 23:25 |
| fenn | i guess that's a compliment | 23:27 |
| fenn | packmanta 2 points 7 months ago: I am planning to try again this weekend but there will be a few key differences: 1. putting on head and turning on in the proper order this time (obviously), 2. with friends present as opposed to alone, 3. at the lowest current setting the focus allows, 4. using only external electrodes. Will update. Promise. | 23:30 |
| fenn | toxicfume 2 points 4 months ago | 23:30 |
| fenn | Well, any update? | 23:30 |
| fenn | cloudfucker 7 points 3 months ago | 23:30 |
| fenn | RIP packmanta | 23:30 |
| kanzure | conclusion: does not cause promise keeping | 23:30 |
| fenn | thread about foc.us tDCS device zapping him when turned on before connecting electrodes | 23:31 |
| kanzure | i really think calibration with a chunk of meat from the grocery store would be a good idea | 23:31 |
| kanzure | or even animals | 23:32 |
| fenn | conclusion: tDCS decreases ability to keep promises | 23:32 |
| fenn | sure if you're willing to put it on your head you should be willing to put it on your dog | 23:32 |
| kanzure | alright you write the draft to _science_ and i'll take the credit | 23:32 |
| kanzure | fall guy will be yashgaroth | 23:32 |
| fenn | dear science, we wanted to do this experiment but yashgaroth wouldn't let us. yours, ##hplusroadmap | 23:33 |
| kanzure | hey it's better than the shit they usually publish | 23:33 |
| kanzure | anything's possible | 23:33 |
| fenn | actually schloendorn was like "i've got all these mice laying around, wanna do some experiments?" | 23:33 |
| kanzure | he's not wrong | 23:34 |
| fenn | of course lab mouses are all retarded mutants anyway | 23:34 |
| fenn | so any gain of function on their part doesn't necessarily represent anything | 23:34 |
| kanzure | p value accounts for that, right? | 23:34 |
| fenn | no | 23:34 |
| kanzure | </gradstudentbot> | 23:34 |
| fenn | it's a systematic bias; all lab mouses are retarded mutants | 23:35 |
| fenn | i need to find better words than "bias" | 23:36 |
| fenn | it may be true that X helps lab mice, but that doesn't imply it helps anything that is not a lab mouse | 23:36 |
| jrayhawk | "low-quality null hypothesis" | 23:37 |
| fenn | "null hypothesis" is a difficult concept | 23:37 |
| fenn | "a general statement or default position that there is no relationship between two measured phenomena" huh? | 23:37 |
| fenn | in the specific context i guess it means "the treatment has no measurable effect" | 23:39 |
| fenn | but it does have a measurable effect, just not the effect you're trying to measure | 23:39 |
| jrayhawk | if the null hypothesis is a stupid thing nobody cares about, then the hypothesis will also be a stupid thing nobody cares about | 23:41 |
| fenn | what is the null hypothesis in my lab mouse tDCS experiment? | 23:42 |
| fenn | is the null hypothesis "there is no relationship between treatments that help lab mice and treatments that help people"? | 23:45 |
| fenn | is it "tDCS has no effect on lab mice"? | 23:48 |
| jrayhawk | s/lab mice/retarded mutants fed industrial waste and exposed to bad circadian signalling and a an otherwise stressful environment/ | 23:54 |
| jrayhawk | s/a an/an/ | 23:54 |
| fenn | wait, actually that sounds pretty salient | 23:55 |
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