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| superkuh | paperbot: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/17620584/monopole-twist-revisited | 01:11 |
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| fenn | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21691045 | 01:23 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1159%2F000327318 | 01:23 |
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| fenn | it makes me so mad that wikipedia automatically deletes/downsizes "non free" images | 03:30 |
| fenn | like this one for example, you can barely even make out the subject of the image (the tablet computer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2001interview.png | 03:30 |
| fenn | arthur clark is dead, stanley kubrik is dead, who does this policy benefit? | 03:31 |
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| archels | fenn: wow, how silly | 03:38 |
| archels | hopefully the originals aren't permanently deleted | 03:41 |
| fenn | this is especially a problem with video games as there is usually no screenshot and the cover of the box is the only image provided, and most of that is text | 03:41 |
| fenn | it looks like the metadata associating the re-scaled and original file is lost with some bots, maintained with others, but the original file is inaccessible (to me at least) | 03:43 |
| archels | someone interpreted point 3 of the Wikipedia fair use policy, which says that "The amount of copyrighted work used should be as little as possible", a tad too literally | 03:44 |
| fenn | little-erally | 03:45 |
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| fenn | "Today it is nearly universally recognized by critics, film-makers, and audiences as one of the greatest and most influential films ever made." but we're only allowed to show a few 300 pixel thumbnails of it | 03:49 |
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| fenn | "ARM2 (produced in 1986) had 30,000 transistors, while ARM6 grew only to 35,000." | 05:09 |
| fenn | "Inspired by white papers on the Berkeley RISC project, Acorn considered designing its own processor. Sophie Wilson developed the instruction set, writing a simulation of the processor in BBC BASIC that ran on a BBC Micro with a second 6502 processor. The first ARM application was as a second processor for the BBC Micro, where it helped in developing simulation software to finish development of | 05:13 |
| fenn | the support chips (VIDC, IOC, MEMC), and sped up the CAD software used in ARM2 development. Wilson subsequently rewrote BBC BASIC in ARM assembly language. The in-depth knowledge gained from designing the instruction set enabled the code to be very dense, making ARM BBC BASIC an extremely good test for any ARM emulator." | 05:13 |
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| fenn | talk about bootstrapping | 05:14 |
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| kanzure | don't they do that in college these days | 05:37 |
| kanzure | they certainly didn't in mine but i always chalked that up to bad luck | 05:37 |
| fenn | rewrite the simulator you use to design your architectures in the assembly code of the architecture that you're designing the system to run? | 05:38 |
| fenn | i don't think that's a typical class exercise | 05:38 |
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| kanzure | "Academic research is funded through taxpayer money, and, as an academic, I can assure you that much of it has a much lower impact than many open source projects." | 05:45 |
| kanzure | i'm sure jblake had a class like that | 05:45 |
| fenn | a lot of academic research is open source (but not enough imho) | 05:45 |
| kanzure | what is your current time? | 05:46 |
| fenn | 8:45 am a while past lunch | 05:46 |
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| kanzure | i was looking for the second one | 05:47 |
| kanzure | i don't understand those early fire theories | 05:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.dichotomistic.com/mind_readings_fire.html "they just banged shit together until sparks flew" | 05:48 |
| kanzure | (the page is much less useful than the portia one) | 05:48 |
| fenn | lunch today was ~100g of chocolate | 05:48 |
| fenn | so take these values with some uncertainty | 05:48 |
| fenn | lightning starting grass fires is a pretty common occurrence | 05:49 |
| kanzure | alright... but how often? | 05:50 |
| fenn | often enough to remember it and do something useful the next time you run into it | 05:50 |
| fenn | like "last time this happened we found a bunch of tasty burned critters afterward" | 05:50 |
| kanzure | oh look time to run our food to the lightning strike site? come on.... | 05:50 |
| fenn | no but it starts to be perceived as not just a complete disaster | 05:51 |
| kanzure | maybe there were persistent wildfires everywhere | 05:52 |
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| fenn | yes those fires in california seem to last many months | 05:52 |
| kanzure | could you cook over an open lava flow or is that too hot? | 05:52 |
| fenn | i think that's just unlikely because there aren't many open lava flows | 05:53 |
| kanzure | a fire river would be very useful | 05:53 |
| kanzure | it is quite similar to fishing | 05:53 |
| kanzure | except backwards | 05:53 |
| fenn | you throw the fish into it and they disappear | 05:54 |
| kanzure | you put the food on the stick | 05:54 |
| fenn | "No potlid fractures on any of the stone tools until around 1.6 million years ago. Then after that, they occur consistently across many sites" | 05:55 |
| fenn | what was happening 1.6 million years ago | 05:55 |
| kanzure | i don't know, where's my climate almanac | 05:56 |
| fenn | "if humans have been using fire for 1.6 million years, then surely we ought to have ... a fire-nurturing instinct wired into our brains?" people like hanging around a fire and staring at it even more than television | 05:57 |
| kanzure | then why are people so bad at starting fires | 05:58 |
| fenn | because it's a fire-nurturing instinct not a fire-starting instinct | 05:58 |
| fenn | if lightning were starting the fires, humans wouldn't know how to start it | 05:58 |
| fenn | the stone tool fractures were caused by thermal shock, not "banging" | 05:59 |
| fenn | go find some rocks that make sparks when you bang them, good luck | 06:00 |
| fenn | sheesh | 06:00 |
| kanzure | "ancient africa was plagued by lightning strikes and charred delicious animals" | 06:00 |
| fenn | the only common sparking rock i know of is iron pyrite, so these anthropologists better have some banged-up samples of iron pyrite if they want anyone to believe the rock-banging theory | 06:02 |
| fenn | you can be damn sure a caveman would pick this up if he found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2780M-pyrite1.jpg | 06:03 |
| fenn | oh it oxidizes, so i guess it wouldn't be around after a million years | 06:08 |
| fenn | "Not one person, that seemed to have an idea about it, ever showed this to me. It always seemed to be, "use two pieces of pyrite and birch tinder and strike the stones together. Then you will have fire!" Boy! That sounded easy. I can assure you, this was not the case. Starting a fire with stones takes much more understanding than by just striking two stones together." | 06:11 |
| kanzure | "should i get a phd?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8719614 | 06:20 |
| kanzure | "strong chance you’ll be miserable and it will end badly" | 06:20 |
| kanzure | "To me, these sorts of articles are comparable to "join the army and see the world" propaganda. You never hear about legs blown off, brains addled, suicides, shrapnel, shellshock, and other likely outcomes." | 06:20 |
| fenn | gotta wonder how many paleontologists will get started by playing minecraft http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3356665/figure/fig01/ | 06:29 |
| fenn | "unambiguous evidence in the form of burned bone and ashed plant remains that burning events took place in Wonderwerk Cave during the early Acheulean occupation, approximately 1.0 Ma." | 06:31 |
| kanzure | i still laugh at the name "paleoneurology" | 06:31 |
| fenn | "At Gadeb 8e, magnetic properties of cobbles of welded tuff indicate that they were also burned, and at Koobi Fora FxJj 20—dated to 1.5 Ma—similarly discolored sediment patches were identified as having been burned based on thermoluminescence properties" | 06:32 |
| fenn | "Large quantities of stone tools have been found at Koobi Fora both on the surface and in caches" would imply that money existed around that time as well (in the form of flint tools/cores) | 06:37 |
| fenn | cool image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Primate_skull_series_with_legend_cropped.png | 06:41 |
| kanzure | gorilla skull http://d2ouvy59p0dg6k.cloudfront.net/img/skulls_apes_trade_wluiijf107760_348732.jpg | 06:48 |
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| kanzure | "Robots, not humans, discovered fire." | 07:28 |
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| kanzure | "It's a well known fact." | 07:42 |
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| kanzure | http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/12/09/james_watson_nobel_prize_medal_will_be_returned_by_russian_billionaire.html | 07:53 |
| kanzure | hmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisher_Usmanov | 07:55 |
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| NilsHItze | Mhhhhh | 08:06 |
| NilsHItze | Russian Billionaire == Transhumanist Wager says Hi | 08:06 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Origin#Plot | 08:17 |
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| kanzure | hi eudoxia | 08:35 |
| eudoxia | hi kanz | 08:35 |
| Qfwfq | http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/15848/6/ScarleXbox.pdf | 08:36 |
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| fenn | looks more like macaque skulls | 09:09 |
| fenn | or maybe chimpanzee | 09:10 |
| fenn | bonobo that's it | 09:10 |
| kanzure | i wonder what sort of "avenge us" message we could leave for whoever discovers our remains after our robot overlords are tired of putting up with our crap | 09:22 |
| fenn | well what would you say | 09:23 |
| kanzure | probably "avenge us" | 09:23 |
| fenn | "oops" | 09:23 |
| kanzure | signed sincerely, verner avenger | 09:23 |
| fenn | you could launch it into space like voyager 2 | 09:24 |
| fenn | "Xiaomi CEO, said that the company prices the phone almost at bill-of-material prices. To profit from the narrow margin, Xiaomi sells a model for up to 18 months instead of the short 6 months used by Samsung to profit from the fall in the costs of components that occurs over time." i think that's a good way of doing business | 09:27 |
| kanzure | oops, i meant vernor avenger | 09:27 |
| kanzure | vernor avinger | 09:27 |
| kanzure | is the fall in costs of components over 18 months that significant? | 09:31 |
| kanzure | i suppose the costs were picked prior to launch | 09:31 |
| kanzure | maybe some 12 month lead time at minimum | 09:31 |
| fenn | What is Xiaomi Smartphone Anti-Fake? | 09:34 |
| fenn | This application was developed by Xiaomi to determine fakes of its products. | 09:34 |
| kanzure | that's an arm race you just can't win | 09:35 |
| kanzure | arms race | 09:35 |
| kanzure | foot race? | 09:35 |
| kanzure | .wik arms race | 09:35 |
| yoleaux | "An arms race, in its original usage, is a competition between two or more parties to have the best armed forces. Each party competes to produce larger numbers of weapons, greater armies, or superior military technology in a technological escalation." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_race | 09:35 |
| fenn | .wik red queen | 09:35 |
| yoleaux | "Red Queen may refer to:" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_queen | 09:35 |
| fenn | ffs | 09:36 |
| kanzure | "technological escalation" would have been a better name | 09:36 |
| fenn | "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place." | 09:37 |
| kanzure | i stole my free lunch from the red queen | 09:37 |
| kanzure | nsh would be better at this | 09:38 |
| fenn | the xiaomi bunny is not at all cute | 09:40 |
| fenn | neither is the android android, oh well | 09:41 |
| kanzure | now that disney owns the android copyright, i wonder if that will get stuck for a hundred years with mickey mouse | 09:42 |
| fenn | i hope you're kidding | 09:42 |
| fenn | Metal housing of Xiaomi Mi4 is made of stainless steel. | 09:44 |
| fenn | The smartphone has a 5-inch ultra-thin Sharp screen with a resolution of 1080 х 1920 pixels | 09:44 |
| kanzure | google had to license "android" from george lucas | 09:44 |
| fenn | "droid" | 09:44 |
| fenn | which was HTC i think | 09:45 |
| kanzure | ah right | 09:45 |
| fenn | i don't know why they were even granted that trademark since disney/lucas was never in the consumer electronics business | 09:45 |
| fenn | a 1080p display would make for a decent wide-FOV VR HUD like oculus | 09:47 |
| kanzure | .tw https://twitter.com/AnonymousGlobo/status/541697065802559488 | 09:48 |
| yoleaux | 1.7GB of data from Russia Interior Ministry hacked and fully available. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxsQ108is142Q1dMcVNUc3J2U28 #Anonymous (@AnonymousGlobo) | 09:48 |
| fenn | great now i just need to learn russian | 09:49 |
| kanzure | .tw https://twitter.com/AnonymousGlobo/status/541766476005670912 | 09:51 |
| yoleaux | RU Interior Ministry files were filtered. Total files snatched about 72GB http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://www.ex.ua/81884025&usg=ALkJrhjgGEcj9bZthJb3azxFjQTuIv9vnQ Download URLs: http://www.ex.ua/filelist/81884025.urls (@AnonymousGlobo, in reply to tw:541697065802559488) | 09:51 |
| fenn | "We only ask #Russian analysis/info relating to #NSA #Regin" | 09:51 |
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| fenn | why does windows now show size of directories | 09:57 |
| fenn | not* | 09:57 |
| fenn | eta 2d 2h | 09:57 |
| * fenn decides he doesn't care | 09:58 | |
| kanzure | laptop died? | 09:58 |
| kanzure | cannibalized by television set rip | 09:59 |
| fenn | "Bureau of Special Technical Measures" sounds pretty sary | 10:04 |
| fenn | scary* | 10:04 |
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| fenn | whose laptop died? | 10:15 |
| kanzure | your eta seemed like a delivery countdown | 10:16 |
| kanzure | and a complaint about having to use windows | 10:16 |
| fenn | it would have been 2 days to download the 11GB file at ~50kB/s from ukraine | 10:17 |
| fenn | several of the files were VNC screenshots of the loot, but the size column was empty | 10:17 |
| kanzure | journalism at its finest | 10:18 |
| kanzure | using a worldwide revolutionary file transport protocol called bittornado anyone can participate in inept journalism | 10:18 |
| fenn | hacking a state bureau is not exactly journalism | 10:18 |
| kanzure | not according to nsh's bail terms | 10:18 |
| fenn | i mean, it would be cool if people saw hacking and distributing government secrets as an upstanding proper and moral thing to do | 10:19 |
| fenn | does anyone here have a 4G data connection? what are actual downloads speeds like? | 10:22 |
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| fenn | hrm | 10:39 |
| fenn | .wik samsung gear vr | 10:39 |
| yoleaux | "Samsung Gear VR is a virtual reality device developed by Samsung Electronics in collaboration with Oculus VR. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is used as the screen and driving computer, mounted inside the Gear VR device. Like Google Cardboard, Gear VR has no display itself." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Gear_VR | 10:39 |
| bkero | I have "4G" HSPA and "4G" LTE. | 10:39 |
| bkero | HSPA is around 14/21Mbit down, LTE is around 40. | 10:40 |
| fenn | bkero: what is latency like? | 10:40 |
| bkero | 20-60ms | 10:41 |
| fenn | does it actually stay that high or does it start limiting after a few seconds? | 10:41 |
| fenn | er, the download rate i mean | 10:42 |
| bkero | Testing right now it's 52.2/17.5 with 33ms ping | 10:42 |
| bkero | Dunno, don't want to check. Sustaining that speed for a while would mean chewing through my 5gb data plan pretty quickly | 10:42 |
| fenn | ok | 10:43 |
| fenn | so you have basically 15 minutes of download time | 10:44 |
| bkero | If that's how the math works | 10:44 |
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| fenn | or 1.5 minutes if that's "5 gigabits" | 10:45 |
| fenn | if you have your own transmitter you get unlimited bandwidth :D | 10:46 |
| bkero | I do. Unfortunately the base station options for LTE are limited | 10:47 |
| bkero | I have a SDR that could theoretically do it, but...the software isn't very straightforward | 10:47 |
| fenn | you have a LTE base station? | 10:47 |
| bkero | I have a BladeRF SDR | 10:48 |
| fenn | i see | 10:48 |
| bkero | 4dBm | 10:48 |
| fenn | have people figured out how to do phased array beamforming yet? | 10:49 |
| fenn | actually that would be trivial with only one target, nevermind | 10:49 |
| kanzure | "and additionally it has been noted that eating a high-fat meal can reduce the effects of amphetamine up to 55%" | 10:49 |
| kanzure | "The study compared the effect of eating a high-fat breakfast on the absorption and distribution of a typical morning dose of each medication (36 mg of Concerta or 20 mg of Adderall) in 36 healthy adults. Breakfast consisted of eggs, buttered bread, bacon, hash-brown potatoes, and eight ounces of whole milk. Blood samples were taken 18 times over the ensuing 28-hour period. Subjects received either Concerta or Adderall following either ... | 10:53 |
| kanzure | ... an overnight fast or 15 minutes after eating the high-fat breakfast." | 10:53 |
| kanzure | do people really eat breakfasts like that every day | 10:53 |
| kanzure | i need to look into this | 10:53 |
| fenn | that would be an impressive breakfast | 10:54 |
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| fenn | i can see getting something like that at a breakfast diner | 10:55 |
| fenn | bkero: i wonder if 2.5 milliwatts is enough | 11:00 |
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| fenn | "commercial LTE devices are designed to transmit using 250 milliwatts of power" | 11:10 |
| fenn | "The maximum power being considered for LTE portable devices is approximately 23 dBm (200 milliWatts)" | 11:10 |
| fenn | apparently you're allowed to use up to 2000 milliwatts for a fixed point to point system | 11:11 |
| fenn | anyway once you have generated the signal i suppose it doesn't matter how strong it is if you have an appropriate amplifier | 11:12 |
| kanzure | hmm so if there's still such large amounts of demand for elephant tusk why not just raise elephants and sell ivory? | 11:13 |
| kanzure | buying from poachers is only going to encourage poaching | 11:13 |
| fenn | because poachers sell for next to nothing | 11:14 |
| kanzure | really? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | "tusks can weigh more than 250 pounds, with a pound of ivory fetching as much as $1,500 on the black market" | 11:14 |
| kanzure | "When ivory became contraband, the supply got scarcer, but demand remained strong. In 1989, the international community passed a global ban on the trade in new ivory to stop the killing of elephants." | 11:15 |
| kanzure | surely people can't be this fucking stupid | 11:15 |
| kanzure | "There is no reliable way to tell pre-ban from post-ban ivory, or a real antique from a fake — in any country." | 11:16 |
| kanzure | feed the elephants some trace chemical i'm sure it'll end up in the ivory | 11:16 |
| kanzure | "However, they do continue to grow in length throughout the lifetime of the elephant" | 11:17 |
| fenn | isn't carbon dating reliable enough? | 11:18 |
| kanzure | food intake is 200 kg/day vegetation | 11:18 |
| kanzure | "The cost to feed an elephant for one day is $30.00" | 11:18 |
| kanzure | "regular veterinary care cost approximately $1,000 per elephant, per month." | 11:18 |
| kanzure | "The growth rate of tusks is at approximately 15-18 centimeters per year" oh | 11:19 |
| fenn | heh "The team of researchers' method involves using open-air nuclear bomb tests to reveal how long ago the ivory was taken from the animal." | 11:19 |
| fenn | see i knew nuclear bombs were good for something | 11:19 |
| eudoxia | that's also how we determined the crystalline lens of the eye doesn't get repaired/replaced during your life | 11:19 |
| kanzure | hmm so ivory is priced in pounds but growth is measured in centimeters | 11:20 |
| eudoxia | people born in the 50's/60's have radioactive isotopes in their eyes | 11:20 |
| kanzure | you can have those replaced | 11:20 |
| eudoxia | well yeah, through surgery | 11:20 |
| kanzure | pig ivory could work pretty well | 11:22 |
| fenn | kanzure lots of people have elephants in south asia, and you can remove the tusks without killing the animal | 11:22 |
| fenn | the problem is that in africa they don't have any money and there are wild elephants running around with dollar signs on them | 11:22 |
| kanzure | clearly you don't want to remove the entire tusk | 11:22 |
| kanzure | poachers wont be able to sell ivory for any price if you can beat them at their own game | 11:23 |
| kanzure | plus when they kill off all the elephants you're the only name in town | 11:23 |
| fenn | great. ~ | 11:23 |
| fenn | here's an idea, just kill all the elephants and you'll control the elephant supply | 11:23 |
| fenn | better yet, kill everyone | 11:23 |
| kanzure | "An Armenian collector paid almost 69,000 euros for another lot, which included two tusks around 230 centimetres (90 inches) long from an elephant killed in the Central African Republic in the 1960s. | 11:23 |
| kanzure | $85k USD | 11:24 |
| kanzure | $369/cm | 11:24 |
| fenn | there are russian guys digging out old mammoth tusks in siberia with high pressure water | 11:24 |
| fenn | from frozen bogs | 11:25 |
| kanzure | so $12000/elephant-year of growth | 11:25 |
| fenn | wow that's not bad | 11:25 |
| kanzure | now just figure out how many elephants to break even... hrm. | 11:25 |
| fenn | .c 30*365+12000 | 11:26 |
| yoleaux | 30×365+12000 = 22950 | 11:26 |
| kanzure | what are you calculating | 11:26 |
| fenn | food plus veterinary costs | 11:26 |
| kanzure | bulk food is cheaper in general | 11:26 |
| fenn | it's already bulk, you're feeding an elephant | 11:27 |
| kanzure | .c 30*365 | 11:27 |
| yoleaux | 30×365 = 10950 | 11:27 |
| fenn | "elephant tusks, get your radioactive elephant tusks while they're hot! elephant tusks..." | 11:28 |
| kanzure | $1k/elephant-month vet costs sorta throws things off | 11:28 |
| kanzure | plus initial cost of an elephant cement facility that doesn't totally suck (exercise loops?) | 11:28 |
| kanzure | or elephant ranch | 11:28 |
| fenn | cement facility? | 11:29 |
| kanzure | sorry was thinking of terrible zoos | 11:29 |
| fenn | are you going to have the elephants running a treadmill with giant hamster wheels? | 11:29 |
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| fenn | er, something about an elephant-powered cement factory | 11:29 |
| * fenn nevermind | 11:30 | |
| kanzure | nah for some reason i was thinking elephant stables, but then you need to have exercise areas, so to save on space i was thinking circular hallways for running around in | 11:30 |
| kanzure | but a ranch makes more sense | 11:30 |
| fenn | i hate the heatsink on the bladeRF; it ruins the whole "blade" thing | 11:30 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIJzpkDVyI | 11:31 |
| yoleaux | Elephant Stampede - YouTube | 11:31 |
| kanzure | also you could figure out ivory tusk growth genes i'm sure | 11:35 |
| fenn | also you could just make stupid fucking trinkets out of plastic and nobody could tell anyway | 11:35 |
| kanzure | ivory probably mills differently | 11:36 |
| kanzure | and they probably test it | 11:36 |
| kanzure | the idea here was to avoid elephant extinction | 11:36 |
| kanzure | as the demand for tusk grows or continues the more elephants you can afford to keep around | 11:37 |
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| fenn | where are you going to get all these elephants | 11:39 |
| fenn | also, there are different kinds of elephants | 11:39 |
| fenn | ok mammoth ivory is not so good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mammoth_ivory_hg.jpg | 11:41 |
| kanzure | that's strange | 11:41 |
| eudoxia | it looks like a transversal cut of a snake that ate a tree | 11:42 |
| fenn | ancient chinese QR code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GhazanSeal1302LetterToBonifaceVIII.JPG | 11:47 |
| eudoxia | more information-dense ancient chinese QR code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_Hui_(poet)#Palindrome_Poem:_Xuanji_Tu | 11:48 |
| fenn | woah, the red dot on hindu foreheads is made of mercury sulfide and/or lead tetroxide? | 11:51 |
| kanzure | "the brain increases in both size and cell number throughout the octopus’s entire life" | 11:51 |
| fenn | eudoxia: it looks like they were going for a fractal theme | 11:52 |
| eudoxia | hmm wikipedia doesn't say what the colors indicate | 11:54 |
| kanzure | huh, octopus brain is pretty different http://forestis.rsvs.ulaval.ca/REFERENCES_X/phylogeny.arizona.edu/tree/eukaryotes/animals/mollusca/cephalopoda/glossary/glossaryLichen/brainLichen/vampBrain.html | 11:54 |
| kanzure | "Nonsomatotopic organization of the higher motor centers in octopus" http://octopus.huji.ac.il/site/articles/Zullo-2009.pdf | 11:56 |
| kanzure | and papers that cited that http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=11659215591019662636&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en | 11:56 |
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| fenn | not the red dot, apparently it's a powder they put in the hair parting line of married women http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindoor | 12:27 |
| fenn | but still that is a lot of mercury to be dumping on your head! http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/India/East/West_Bengal/Howrah/photo1372340.htm | 12:27 |
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| Boscop | anyone here into meditation? | 15:43 |
| Boscop | is it possible to anchor and recall any mental state (e.g. by becoming good at meditation)? | 15:44 |
| Boscop | specifically drug induced states | 15:44 |
| kanzure | you'll have more luck looking for meditation elsewhere | 15:44 |
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| kragen | meditation seems potentially pretty important | 17:15 |
| kragen | but people don't talk about it much here | 17:15 |
| kragen | not much about drugs either | 17:15 |
| kragen | not even the ones you'd expect, like aniracetam or cryoprotectants | 17:16 |
| eudoxia | it's not like you can pop ice blockers every day to ensure a good cryopreservation ;> | 17:21 |
| kragen | :] | 17:21 |
| kragen | fenn: it turns out that you can put quite a lot of inorganic mercury salts on your skin without absorbing a dangerous dose | 17:22 |
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| Boscop | kragen: in which channels do they talk more about meditation or drugs? | 17:29 |
| Boscop | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/58 | 17:30 |
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| kanzure | with apologies for admitting reddit exists, http://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/2lmo0l/ama_geoffrey_hinton | 18:12 |
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| kanzure | hmph | 18:28 |
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| kanzure | "The neurological autonomy of the arms means the octopus has great difficulty learning about the detailed effects of its motions. The brain may issue a high-level command to the arms, but the nerve cords in the arms execute the details. There is no neurological path for the brain to receive proprioceptive feedback about just how its command was executed by the arms; the only way it knows just what motions were made is by observing the ... | 20:10 |
| kanzure | ... arms visually, i.e. exteroception.[29]" | 20:10 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqHuTElRwmo | 20:20 |
| yoleaux | Octopus eggs hatching - YouTube | 20:20 |
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| kanzure | using your tentacles to touch dangerous objects seems a little not good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cf7tPoN5o | 20:27 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFCQltYMLQk&t=72s | 20:46 |
| jrayhawk | T8cf7tPoN5o results in a 403 | 20:54 |
| jrayhawk | lFCQltYMLQk is pretty cool, though | 20:54 |
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| kanzure | "The observation selection effect is that no matter how hard it is for human-level intelligence to evolve, 100% of evolved civilizations will find themselves originating from planets where it happened anyway." | 21:23 |
| kanzure | yeah but does that really need to be said at all? | 21:23 |
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| kanzure | "Accurate estimation of the rate at which human-level intelligence evolves from a given starting point would involve the same need for Bayesian correction found in analysis of disasters that would have caused human extinction.[36]" | 21:38 |
| kanzure | http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/ai-evolution-and-selection-effects.pdf | 21:39 |
| kanzure | that is a good paper | 21:46 |
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| fenn | "it's not like you can pop ice blockers every day to ensure a good cryopreservation" <-- trehalose | 22:25 |
| fenn | "100% of evolved civilizations" except for those that were seeded by genetic dispersion on the solar winds, and we don't yet know whether we are or are not one of these | 22:32 |
| fenn | "specific types of viruses that inserted themselves in the human genomes millions of years ago have dramatically changed the gene regulatory network in human stem cells." these viruses may have originated elsewhere in the universe | 22:38 |
| fenn | a fluff piece, but it shows the gain of function possible by retroviral mutation http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/02/14/mammals-made-by-viruses/ | 22:39 |
| fenn | the probability of humans evolving from life is much much higher than the probability of life existing at all | 22:41 |
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| delinquentme | anyone in here have pull with someone @ 3d robotics? | 23:41 |
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