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| nsh | .title http://www.businessinsider.com/groundbreaking-idea-of-lifes-origin-2014-12?IR=T | 01:47 |
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| yoleaux | Groundbreaking Idea Of Life's Origin - Business Insider | 01:47 |
| nsh | oh, nmz787 already covered | 01:47 |
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| fenn | .title http://www.google.com/patents/US5950543 | 03:24 |
| yoleaux | Patent US5950543 - Tubular transportation system for transporting passengers/cargos - Google Patents | 03:24 |
| fenn | if anyone here becomes a trillionaire, please build this | 03:25 |
| nsh | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91D5UAz-f4 | 03:48 |
| yoleaux | What is life-lecture: Jeremy England - YouTube | 03:48 |
| nsh | -- | 04:09 |
| nsh | Tangentially, the metallic hydrogen mentioned is one of the craziest chemical substances to possibly-exist [0]. | 04:09 |
| nsh | Besides likely being a room-temperature superconductor (at ridiculous pressures, like 500 GPa), it's postulated to be metastable -- like diamond, you could create it at pressure, and it might stay a solid metal at STP conditions. It's postulated to be made of atomic hydrogen -- lone H atoms, without the molecular bonds of H_2. The recombination energy H + H -> H_2 suggests [1] it's the most energy-dense chemical fuel that exists, with 20 times the specific | 04:09 |
| nsh | energy of {H2 + O2}. It could allow [1] rocket engines with I_sp of 1,700 seconds -- four times higher than LH2/LOX. It's thought to be the main phase of hydrogen inside the planet Jupiter [2] and responsible for its dynamo [3] (but as an ordinary conductor, not a superconductor). It's also speculatively a structural material, one that's less dense than water [4]. | 04:09 |
| nsh | It might have been created in a lab, in 2011 [4], but it's not clear. | 04:09 |
| nsh | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen | 04:09 |
| nsh | [1] http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/637123main_Silvera_Presentation.pdf | 04:09 |
| nsh | [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter#Internal_structure | 04:09 |
| nsh | [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere_of_Jupiter | 04:09 |
| nsh | [4] http://www.nature.com/news/metallic-hydrogen-hard-pressed-1.... | 04:09 |
| nsh | -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8729762 | 04:09 |
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| fenn | if the reaction is H + H -> H2, how do you limit the reaction rate so as not to make a bomb | 05:18 |
| fenn | nsh see also metastable helium | 05:18 |
| fenn | http://web.archive.org/web/20030105091803/http://www.islandone.org/APC/Chemical/07.html http://web.archive.org/web/20030105091803/http://www.islandone.org/APC/Chemical/08.html | 05:18 |
| fenn | i guess it's just like a highly compressed gas that doesn't need to be heated to expand | 05:29 |
| fenn | "the tankage factor of thousand- or million-atmosphere pressure diamond-materials tanks that may be required to store metallic hydrogen at cryogenic temperatures will need to be determined to assess overall stage performance" | 05:30 |
| heath | music: https://soundcloud.com/vice/sets/princess-nokias-metallic-butterfly | 05:43 |
| heath | nevermind | 05:44 |
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| fenn | wow they can do 600GPa with diamond anvils | 05:54 |
| fenn | and 250GPa with a "typical" diamond anvil | 06:00 |
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| kanzure | despite spending time in what i would guess is the best rna origin of life lab ever, i never did get a good idea of whether or not biologists expect the rna world hypothesis to mean a single strand of rna caused all this drama or if there was some geological trend that caused a massive amount of rna to do similar things all at once | 06:25 |
| fenn | geological concentration of chemicals | 06:26 |
| kanzure | that doesn't actually answer either way though | 06:27 |
| kanzure | there was a paper on arxiv yesterday that proposed that evolutionary biologists should forget about particular implementation details and instead should treat biology as a branch of condensed matter physics.... | 06:29 |
| kanzure | also, "the second smartest man in the world [by iq]" turns out to be a nootropic junkie | 06:30 |
| fenn | before or after he took the iq test | 06:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2858565/The-38-pills-taken-day-Rick-Rosney-world-s-second-smartest-man-body-brain-sharp-admits-two-thirds-probably-useless.html | 06:33 |
| kanzure | with apologies for linking to dailymail | 06:33 |
| kanzure | "is an American television writer and reality television person" | 06:34 |
| kanzure | oh nevermind | 06:34 |
| Qfwfq | Stack is described here http://www.medicaldaily.com/second-highest-iq-maintained-50-pills-day-rick-rosner-details-his-regimen-312974 | 06:40 |
| kanzure | i regret this already | 06:41 |
| fenn | his list of supplements looks pretty reasonable; the antioxidants probably don't help though | 06:41 |
| fenn | i'd hardly call it "nootropics junkie" | 06:41 |
| kanzure | what are the requirements for junkie here | 06:42 |
| fenn | the only actual "nootropics" he's taking are centrophenoxine, piracetam, vinpocetine, and caffeine | 06:43 |
| fenn | maybe cognitex has some stuff in it | 06:43 |
| fenn | "Aminoguanidines and their derivatives are also being developed for energetic material applications. Thorough combustion of aminoguanidines can produce voluminous non-toxic gases, at moderate temperatures, with a minimum of smoke or dust." good for entertaining situations in the airport security line | 06:47 |
| kanzure | did you read the universal psychometrics paper? | 06:47 |
| fenn | no | 06:47 |
| fenn | i am thinking along similar lines though (why not just make computers take IQ tests) | 06:48 |
| kanzure | universal psychometrics http://users.dsic.upv.es/~flip/papers/TR-upsycho2012.pdf | 06:48 |
| kanzure | follow-up from same author http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/On%20potential%20cognitive%20abilities%20in%20the%20machine%20kingdom.pdf | 06:56 |
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| heath | i hate it when i'm rejected because i refuse to move to cali :| | 07:14 |
| kanzure | which company? | 07:15 |
| fenn | you'd think they would just make that clear up front | 07:15 |
| heath | this was several months ago, but i'm just thinking back on it | 07:15 |
| heath | transcriptic | 07:15 |
| heath | it makes sense for them, i get it | 07:16 |
| heath | someone screwed with my head yesterday and asked "if you only had 10 years to live, what would you be doing?" damn them | 07:17 |
| fenn | damn those people for making me think | 07:18 |
| fenn | misery loves company right | 07:19 |
| heath | i think there's a lot of suffering in the world due to misallocation of resources, i feel like bitcoin has potential in helping in this area | 07:20 |
| fenn | please elaborate | 07:21 |
| heath | dammit fenn, i knew you would insist | 07:21 |
| fenn | i only ask because i came to the opposite conclusion | 07:21 |
| heath | i guess it's okay to think about these things, but it also causes me to lose coding time... | 07:25 |
| heath | in short i think it it may be possible to create a currency which prevents wealth from escaping a community as well as keeping the wealth flowing | 07:26 |
| heath | i was brainwashed by a few people at http://metacurrency.org/ in ~2008ish | 07:26 |
| fenn | i hope you realize "i was brainwashed" isn't the strongest argument ever | 07:27 |
| fenn | at least give us a "think of the children!" | 07:28 |
| fenn | "communities of people should be able to decide what they value and how that will be measured and acknowledged. This means they have to be able to create their own currencies." | 07:29 |
| fenn | see that's an argument at least | 07:30 |
| fenn | a very weak argument but it exists nonetheless | 07:30 |
| heath | sure, anyway, so i think working in the bitcoin space is something that can help out this resource misallocation problem, and it would be something interesting to work on | 07:32 |
| fenn | but bitcoin is a global currency with no "value ethics" | 07:33 |
| heath | burn it and create a new currency? | 07:34 |
| fenn | ok that's been done; then what? | 07:34 |
| heath | global currency isn't necessarily bad all the time? | 07:34 |
| heath | then use that currency within your community of choice | 07:35 |
| fenn | i'm fine with global currency, but you are the one proposing infusing it with some kind of ethics(? at least metacurrency is) | 07:35 |
| fenn | one interesting thing about bitcoin is the transaction graph is much more accessible than the conventional dollar/bank account transfer graph | 07:37 |
| kanzure | heath: you should pester maaku about transcriptic since he worked there | 07:37 |
| kanzure | heath: so one argument for "bitcoin can help fix misallocation of resources" is something along the lines of http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Malinvestment | 07:38 |
| heath | fenn: i maybe making incorrect assumptions about what can be done, the original goal was to list out all the big topics i found interested in working on, but i guess it doesn't really matter | 07:38 |
| heath | s/maybe// | 07:39 |
| heath | might be | 07:39 |
| heath | s/interested/interesting, yikes | 07:39 |
| kanzure | "That's why market prices are important in the first place, and why government distortions of these prices lead to real imbalances in the economy.[34]" | 07:40 |
| heath | it doesn't matter that i list them all out, because, i'm committed to working in the bitcoin space with an end goal of making enough money to build a biochem/fablab in the backyard | 07:40 |
| heath | thanks for the link kanzure | 07:41 |
| kanzure | "The complicated and somewhat fragile production structure requires that complementary inputs be available not only in the right magnitudes but also at the right moments in time. If they are not, then projects that appeared profitable are soon revealed to be unprofitable. In other words, what appeared to be capital creation is seen in fact to be capital consumption. The price mechanism co-ordinates production by "signalling" excesses and ... | 07:41 |
| kanzure | ... shortages in the market, allowing stocks to clear and markets to function efficiently. In a monetary expansion caused by fractional reserve banking, price signals are confused. Monetary growth reallocates resources but cannot in itself produce economic growth. The economy is being pulled in two directions. Entrepreneurs want more capital goods, at the same time that consumers want more consumer goods." | 07:41 |
| fenn | kanzure: fixing "malinvestment" doesn't address the problem that labor value is rapidly approaching zero | 07:41 |
| fenn | and that people are dependent on the value of their labor to survive | 07:41 |
| fenn | don't give me any crap about "everyone can be a developer" either | 07:42 |
| kanzure | i never claimed anything about labor value, what are you smoking? | 07:42 |
| fenn | nobody is arguing against the efficiency of markets | 07:42 |
| fenn | but when you look around, most people can't even afford basic living expenses | 07:43 |
| kanzure | all i was doing was demonstrating a line of reasoning where bitcoin can be useful regarding misallocaiton of resources (to help heath's argument turn into something less like "i was brainwashed") | 07:43 |
| kanzure | i did not set out to eliminate living expenses or implement a civilization where people that are born can actually be cared for | 07:44 |
| kanzure | *misallocation | 07:45 |
| kanzure | i think it is wrong to design a system like that anyway | 07:45 |
| kanzure | it is a bad engineering project | 07:45 |
| kanzure | instead, you should just make up your own damn rules for your space habitat or antarctic biosphere or whatever and give the finger to the rest of the world | 07:46 |
| kanzure | you should not be expected to fix the collective design mistakes of the entire human population, rather you should bound your problems more specifically | 07:46 |
| kanzure | i can't even believe i have to tell you these things, argh | 07:46 |
| fenn | that's great for the 0.00001% who are able to do that | 07:46 |
| kanzure | so "because other people are incapable of designing systems, i shouldn't even bother"? wtf | 07:47 |
| fenn | have you ever heard of "design for typical case" | 07:47 |
| kanzure | that sounds like it could quickly devolve into making no cases whatsoever | 07:47 |
| kanzure | there must be a point at which things actually get done by someone | 07:47 |
| kanzure | if there is a society that works and exists, it should not disappear simply because hungry poor people exist elsewhere in the world. that's quite similar to the "can't go to mars before fixing x at home" arguments. | 07:49 |
| fenn | on mars labor has value | 07:49 |
| kanzure | so what you are saying is "there is no hypothetical system that i can think of or design where humans can live without having a wage slavery system"? i strongly doubt you have thought that. | 07:50 |
| fenn | there are a lot of science fiction books i wish you had read | 07:50 |
| fenn | so i could just reference them | 07:50 |
| fenn | what i'm talking about is how we keep inventing new technologies that improve worker productivity and improve worker productivity until it seems like nobody would have to work, but instead the workers keep working and simply earning less for the same job | 07:52 |
| kanzure | consider a space habitat that is initially owned by a benevolent dictator. in this habitat, he decdes that nobody should be born unless the whole system has a surplus capable of supporting that life within reasonable margins (including various human catastrophe margins, but perhaps not "use up all of the energy of the universe to save one life" levels; probably something less than that would be the bound). | 07:52 |
| fenn | andressen says "oh that's the lump of labor fallacy!" but it's a fact | 07:53 |
| kanzure | yeah, i don't really care about that-- it's wrong for me to inherit the existing civilization and politics. that is out of scope. | 07:53 |
| fenn | but we have a surplus | 07:53 |
| kanzure | that doesn't matter | 07:53 |
| fenn | of course it matters | 07:53 |
| kanzure | nope. there are other system elements that you are not accounting for. | 07:53 |
| kanzure | just because there's a surplus doesn't mean that the system will distribute those resources. | 07:53 |
| kanzure | argh | 07:53 |
| fenn | if everyone were struggling to break even it would be different, but the fact is there are sufficient resources available, they're just distributed unevenly | 07:54 |
| kanzure | you're refusing to engage in a certain mode of thought that i am demonstrating, and you're not telling me what the hell your refusal is about | 07:54 |
| kanzure | you owe absolutely *nothing* to existing politics | 07:54 |
| fenn | my refusal is about not just wishing away the existing situation and starting over | 07:55 |
| kanzure | i never wished anything away | 07:55 |
| fenn | you owe all of your resources to existing politics | 07:55 |
| kanzure | "owe" | 07:55 |
| kanzure | the only thing i "owe" anything to is good judgement and sound mind | 07:55 |
| fenn | the concentration and availability of existing resources was caused by the current economic and political systems | 07:56 |
| fenn | (and technical systems, but that's almost beside the point) | 07:56 |
| fenn | (for those who may have read them: beggars and choosers, manna, red mars/blue mars, down and out in the magic kingdom, iain banks's culture series) | 07:59 |
| fenn | er, beggars in spain | 08:00 |
| fenn | "technological unemployment. This means unemployment due to our discovery of means of economizing the use of labor outrunning the pace at which we can find new uses for labor." | 08:15 |
| fenn | "a moral worldview Kress based on Objectivism, in which dignity is solely the product of what a person can achieve through his or her own efforts, and the contract is the basis of society. As a corollary, the weak and unproductive are not owed anything." | 08:15 |
| fenn | when you combine these two things you end up with "TerraFoam" a robot-tended prison/welfare state for the bulk of humanity | 08:16 |
| fenn | or just left to die or shot on sight | 08:16 |
| fenn | i much prefer bucky fuller's "innovation fellowship" where large numbers of people are paid to do whatever they think is the best use of their time; the vast majority of people would make no contribution at all, but one in a million would make discoveries so beneficial it would pay for the rest | 08:18 |
| fenn | this is looking at "idle" humans as an intellectual surplus rather than a parasitic load | 08:20 |
| kanzure | equating anything i have said today to objectivism is a pathetic slur | 08:26 |
| kanzure | i am aware of technological unemployment and i even believe it can exist in many possible civilization designs, and that it most definitely happens in the ones on earth at the moment | 08:27 |
| kanzure | your "innovation fellowship" is very very similar to viewing everyone as a parasitic load, which i think is dumb | 08:28 |
| fenn | in the typical (median) case yes, but on average no | 08:29 |
| fenn | the difference is recognizing that people _can_ make a contribution and providing them the opportunity to do so | 08:30 |
| kanzure | that's the silliest thing you have ever said, just because they can make any possible non-negative contribution does not mean you should be prevented from doing your own important work | 08:31 |
| fenn | it sounds almost stupid to say now, but just wait until the robots are running everything for mister rich | 08:31 |
| kanzure | gains in your own work can later be applied to others anyway, it is a nice fall-out of open source licensing for example | 08:31 |
| fenn | who is "you" | 08:32 |
| kanzure | i mean very specifically you | 08:32 |
| kanzure | just because there's so much deprecated terrible civilization implemented does not mean that you have to be backwards compatible with everything ever, that's an unnecessary constraint on developing better things | 08:33 |
| fenn | i am prevented from doing my own very important work by people guarding the existing resources and capital and energy | 08:33 |
| kanzure | and your argument so far has been "but there are other people that can't figure out a better system, so therefore it would be rude of me to do anything, especially since it would look (to them) like i am being selfish even though i wouldn't actually be acting selfishly" | 08:33 |
| fenn | (and data) | 08:33 |
| fenn | i am trying to parse that and just can't | 08:35 |
| kanzure | then i'll circle back to that eventually | 08:36 |
| kanzure | people are still selling mendelmax2? | 08:38 |
| fenn | sure why not | 08:38 |
| fenn | it's the biggest work area afaik | 08:38 |
| fenn | wait, wtf is this: http://www.mendelmax.com/ | 08:39 |
| fenn | i thought you were referring to the upsized standard reprap project mendel | 08:40 |
| fenn | so much for trademarks sheesh | 08:40 |
| fenn | "threaded rod was too cheap so we used t-slot extrusion instead" | 08:41 |
| kanzure | maybe mendelmax was never a trademark? | 08:43 |
| kanzure | what did you think about the psychometrics paper? | 08:44 |
| fenn | nevermind i guess i was thinking of this http://blog.reprap.org/2009/09/mendel-apollo.html | 08:45 |
| fenn | i think my eyeballs are spheres of clear gelatinous substance | 08:47 |
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| kanzure | in other words, "it's a paper and i hate papers"? | 09:02 |
| fenn | i haven't read it yet | 09:13 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.phrack.com/papers/fall_of_groups.html | 09:16 |
| delinquentme | opinions? | 09:16 |
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| kanzure | my opinion is that you are all slackers | 09:18 |
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| fenn | hah "the galaxy's most resilient bittorrent site" http://thepiratebay.cr | 09:32 |
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| kanzure | "'saving the world by decrypting the German Enigma machine' this is often repeated but mostly incorrect statement. Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski cracked v1 of the enigma in theory. So, Brittan was provided with full pictures of the insides plus an approach to crack it by some polish mathematicians, but they needed to build some actual physical devices. Also, the enigma design continued to be improved upon over ... | 09:38 |
| kanzure | ... time, but the basic approach more or less continued to work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski " | 09:38 |
| kanzure | (from <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8734853>) | 09:38 |
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| fenn | "very few even knew about the Polish contribution" because of the strict secrecy and the "need-to-know" principle. | 09:42 |
| weles | they did not "cracked v1 of the enigma in theory" but in practice. "by January 1938 the Cipher Bureau's German section was reading a remarkable 75% of Enigma intercepts," | 09:44 |
| weles | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski | 09:44 |
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| fenn | delinquentme: he doesn't even try to explain why there are no more prominent hacker groups | 09:59 |
| delinquentme | I want to tell him to look here | 10:08 |
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| kanzure | this is the worst hacker group ever | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | thanks for the laugh | 10:27 |
| heath | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23032169 | 10:28 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1177%2F2211068212460237 | 10:28 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23032169 | 10:29 |
| yoleaux | Clarity: an open-source manager for laboratory automation. - PubMed - NCBI | 10:29 |
| kanzure | namespace conflict | 10:29 |
| fenn | i was just thinking how "marshall brain" is confusing | 10:30 |
| kanzure | he probably has one of those late 80s fake extropian names | 10:30 |
| kanzure | like mark plus or max more | 10:30 |
| fenn | 2fake4u | 10:31 |
| kanzure | only when you know a spirit's true name can you cryonically raise them from the dead | 10:31 |
| fenn | god does this paper ever go anywhere | 10:32 |
| kanzure | it's a piles of primitives and then it tells you to do the work | 10:32 |
| heath | http://marxlab.rc.fas.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Delaney-et-al-2012-Clarity-an-open-source-manager-for-laboratory-automation.pdf | 10:33 |
| heath | http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~rojasechenique/claritydocs/overview.html | 10:34 |
| heath | .title | 10:35 |
| yoleaux | An Overview Clarity — Clarity 5.0 documentation | 10:35 |
| heath | c# :( | 10:35 |
| heath | svn repo: https://osla.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Clarity_Suite/ | 10:36 |
| fenn | kanzure: reading universal psychometrics (bored already) and thinking that maybe the reason IQ tests are predictive is that they measure a bottleneck, where most humans can walk perfectly well and recognize faces and plants and landmarks, but they have a hard time playing chess and doing other weird stuff not found in nature | 10:37 |
| fenn | we have all these cognitive facilities, so many we can hardly even recognize that they exist until we try to build something that replicates the functionality | 10:38 |
| fenn | animals also walk and recognize individuals and landmarks, but we don't give them any "intelligence" credit for that | 10:40 |
| fenn | even bacteria will navigate toward a food source | 10:40 |
| fenn | technology is weird stuff not found in nature, so people with cognitive skills useful outside the context of animals in nature will be more capable in a technological society | 10:43 |
| fenn | stumbling over words here | 10:43 |
| kanzure | the universal psychometrics paper argues that most people are bad at creating meaningful tests when you take into account the interface requirements of tests compared to the machines | 10:45 |
| kanzure | when you test a computer program you don't just wave a red flag at your machine as if it was some bull, you have a very specific instrumented test environment | 10:46 |
| kanzure | meanwhile, people put monkeys in sterile lab environments and expect them to discuss the problems of universal heat death or something, which is not how a monkey works | 10:46 |
| kanzure | the paper also argues for tests based on kolmogorov complexity (and some other measurement) that can be deployed for all inhabitants of the machine kingdom, even if there's some extra instrumentation work to get them compatible with each machine species | 10:47 |
| kanzure | naturally you have to be careful about your implementation details..... | 10:47 |
| fenn | that's the other thing about this paper that kinda pisses me off.. there is no "machine kingdom" | 10:50 |
| fenn | there is no "set of all possible machines" | 10:50 |
| fenn | it's unbounded | 10:50 |
| kanzure | they are talking about turing machines, methinks | 10:51 |
| heath | https://github.com/heath/clarity | 10:51 |
| kanzure | .g site:nature.com clarity brain protocol | 10:51 |
| yoleaux | http://www.nature.com/protocolexchange/protocols/3251 | 10:51 |
| kanzure | .title | 10:51 |
| yoleaux | Advanced CLARITY for rapid and high-resolution imaging of intact tissues : Nature Protocols : Nature Publishing Group | 10:51 |
| heath | last updated 2 years ago | 10:52 |
| heath | :| | 10:52 |
| fenn | it's not like there's a bunch of critters running around and we just have to catch some and put them in a maze to see how they perform | 10:52 |
| heath | updated repo with paper | 10:52 |
| kanzure | "universal psychometrics" ass what should that "maze" be and how do you make appropriately generic tests | 10:52 |
| kanzure | *asks | 10:52 |
| fenn | but there are no critters | 10:53 |
| fenn | huh a 960 line perl program scored >100 on an IQ test | 10:54 |
| kanzure | after how many attempts? | 10:55 |
| fenn | roar | 10:58 |
| fenn | paperbot: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.118.6308&rep=rep1&type=pdf | 10:58 |
| fenn | well at least we can play around with the actual program: http://users.dsic.upv.es/~jorallo/iq/iq.html | 11:00 |
| kanzure | "The program written in Perl takes I.Q. tests and has average human intelligence." | 11:01 |
| fenn | it fails about half the things i type in | 11:02 |
| kanzure | yes this looks like an extremely restricted iq test | 11:02 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: would this work for python-brlcad? http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/sip/intro | 11:05 |
| kanzure | no, | 11:08 |
| kanzure | that requires compilation | 11:08 |
| kanzure | and it requires custom header files or spec files | 11:08 |
| kanzure | python-brlcad just consumes existing brlcad header files and does no compilation | 11:08 |
| fenn | so they "solved" the problem of "what is the right answer" by claiming to base the "right answer" on the shortest sequence-generating algorithm, but this is a bad argument because we don't actually know what the shortest algorithm is (kolmogorov complexity is only an upper bound) | 11:15 |
| fenn | anyway it's a cute definition of intelligence; the ability to find short programs that produce a given output | 11:17 |
| kanzure | er, that's not what it was saying the definition of intelligence is | 11:17 |
| fenn | "a new intelligence test (C-test)" would seem to be testing intelligence | 11:18 |
| kanzure | iirc if something just so happens to already have a short program that it uses, that's fine | 11:18 |
| kanzure | .title http://blog.gerhards.net/2008/05/why-you-cant-build-reliable-tcp.html | 11:18 |
| yoleaux | Rainer's Blog: why you can't build a reliable TCP protocol without app-level acks... | 11:18 |
| * fenn is running out of quotation marks | 11:18 | |
| fenn | "more precisely, its inductive inference ability" | 11:20 |
| fenn | you still have to run the inference in the forward direction to generate the answer | 11:20 |
| fenn | anyway, taking into account what i said earlier about bottlenecks, it would seem that humans are bottlenecked by inductive inference ability | 11:21 |
| fenn | but we know that working memory is important, and long term memory is important, and sequence performance is important, etc | 11:22 |
| fenn | maybe this is why people think markov bots are fun to play with; they have no inductive inference but do have (apparent) working memory, long term memory, and sequence performance | 11:24 |
| kanzure | markov bots are so cliche and terrible | 11:25 |
| kanzure | (especially on irc) | 11:26 |
| fenn | did i mention i hate math hieroglyphics | 11:30 |
| fenn | if you need to use a different font to get your point across, you're doing something wrong | 11:30 |
| fenn | "consider the set of all cognitive tasks" | 11:33 |
| fenn | now let's see, is this a subset or a superset of the "machine kingdom" | 11:34 |
| heath | us gov agencies i didn't know exists: http://www.dmea.osd.mil/ http://www.acq.osd.mil/cp/ http://www.acq.osd.mil/chieftechnologist/ | 11:35 |
| heath | all sponsors of http://www.techconnectworld.com/Nanotech2015/ | 11:35 |
| fenn | buzzword central | 11:38 |
| kanzure | i don't hear you complaining about the animal kingdom, you know | 11:39 |
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| kanzure | the so-called animolecule kingdom | 11:41 |
| kanzure | "animacule" | 11:41 |
| fenn | because biologists don't make statements like "consider the set of all possible animals" | 11:41 |
| kanzure | well maybe they should | 11:42 |
| fenn | well maybe they shouldn't | 11:42 |
| fenn | "is a quasar an animal?" | 11:42 |
| fenn | "what about empty space?" | 11:43 |
| kanzure | let's pulse gamma rays at a quasar to find out | 11:43 |
| kragen | "animalcule" | 11:44 |
| kanzure | that was the original name for microorganisms | 11:45 |
| fenn | heath: it's really incredible how rarely these "technology" websites actually show any evidence of technology research, like, photographs or diagrams of technology, or people working on it | 11:46 |
| delinquentme | How do: get the entire database of papers from libgen? | 11:46 |
| kanzure | torrenting | 11:46 |
| fenn | delinquentme: send a self-addressed stamped crate of hard drives to siberia | 11:46 |
| kragen | I know. You just misspelled it twice, so I was giving you the correct spelling. | 11:46 |
| kanzure | bribery works too! 1ENFY4h7ntGZbqwcwpQtXVFJrPnfXRHQLe | 11:47 |
| fenn | why is there no bitcoin:// protocol | 11:52 |
| fenn | protocol handler string | 11:52 |
| fenn | it's not obvious what any particular random sequence of letters and numbers means | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, do they have a torrent for all those files?? | 11:54 |
| fenn | there was a list of about 10 separate torrents | 11:57 |
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| fenn | hmm so much for thepiratebay.cr | 12:00 |
| kanzure | there is a bitcoin:// | 12:00 |
| kanzure | bip72? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0071.mediawiki | 12:00 |
| kanzure | hm no | 12:00 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0072.mediawiki | 12:01 |
| kanzure | i should trust myself more often | 12:01 |
| fenn | ugh the whole internet is broken | 12:01 |
| kanzure | haha "bitcoin:?r=https://merchant.com/pay.php?h%3D2a8628fc2fbe" | 12:01 |
| kanzure | "r" | 12:01 |
| kanzure | "bitcoin:mq7se9wy2egettFxPbmn99cK8v5AFq55Lx?amount=0.11&r=https://merchant.com/pay.php?h%3D2a8628fc2fbe" | 12:02 |
| fenn | delinquentme: this torrent contains a list of torrents and metadata: http://www.torrents.sx/Library-Genesis-Repository-832K-eBooks-torrents_-dB-and-source-download-torrent-2B95F302E1EB73BA04C2614B17B2872A953DEB44.php | 12:02 |
| fenn | it should be downloadable by DHT with just the hash | 12:02 |
| kanzure | that may not include /scimag | 12:02 |
| fenn | yes also note it's a couple years old | 12:03 |
| fenn | also the torrents are probably all not being seeded | 12:03 |
| kanzure | great job humanity | 12:04 |
| fenn | i can't be bothered to download 500MB just to look | 12:04 |
| nmz787_i | i thought it was also on .ee last night | 12:04 |
| nmz787_i | though it looked somewhat weird, not showing # seeders | 12:05 |
| fenn | what is the h parameter | 12:07 |
| fenn | my urldecode foo is weak | 12:07 |
| fenn | but %3D looks like some punctuation | 12:07 |
| kanzure | urldeurlencode | 12:08 |
| fenn | pay.php?h=2a8628fc2fbe | 12:09 |
| fenn | pay.php?h=feedabadbeef | 12:10 |
| kanzure | true fact: jrayhawk hashes to feedabadbeef | 12:10 |
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| fenn | proof that we're living in a simulated universe | 12:11 |
| * fenn mumbles something about harry potter and the cryptographic key | 12:11 | |
| fenn | wow okay that disappeared from the internet quick | 12:13 |
| fenn | ah i found it again https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10755550/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-cryptographic-key | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | fenn, thepiratebay.cr looks good? | 12:16 |
| fenn | delinquentme: it didn't have the libgen torrent torrent | 12:16 |
| fenn | it has 1-5000 out of 873000 | 12:18 |
| fenn | or something like that | 12:18 |
| fenn | anyway just point your torrent client to magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2b95f302e1eb73ba04c2614b17b2872a953deb44 | 12:22 |
| fenn | eenterestink http://cryptome.org/2012/03/library-genesis.htm | 12:25 |
| fenn | i'm not really sure what this php is supposed to do; links metadata to files i guess | 12:27 |
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| fenn | huh maybe i did download the index already | 12:35 |
| kragen | you're right, the pirate bay is back up | 12:36 |
| fenn | i think there are just a bunch of people with backup database dumps | 12:39 |
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| fenn | one might ask why we aren't just running a distributed database with incremental bittorrent streaming updates | 12:40 |
| kanzure | you could ask bram himself in bitcoin-wizards now | 12:41 |
| kragen | fenn: because the pirate bay works well enough that nobody has built one, I'm guessing? | 12:44 |
| fenn | i am too chicken | 12:44 |
| fenn | bramc would probably say something like "that is what DHT does" | 12:44 |
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| kragen | he might say "you should sign up for the Maelstrom alpha" | 12:48 |
| fenn | is that a video game | 12:48 |
| fenn | oh it's something happening today | 12:48 |
| fenn | http://blog.bittorrent.com/2014/12/10/project-maelstrom-the-internet-we-build-next/ | 12:49 |
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| kragen | you're so out of date | 12:54 |
| kragen | that blog post was yesterday! | 12:54 |
| fenn | "late last night" | 12:54 |
| fenn | also it's 100% fluff | 12:55 |
| fenn | also the form sounds like they're signing me up to receive promotions | 12:56 |
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| fenn | hrmph it didnt like that i entered data in their "hidden" form | 12:58 |
| fenn | at least have the decency to label your "hidden" form "don't write here" | 12:59 |
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| fenn | looks like they are only targeting windows, mac, android, and ios | 13:08 |
| fenn | actually nevermind, i have no idea | 13:09 |
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| kanzure | yes i agree it's probably fluff | 13:10 |
| fenn | this is the most solid info i can find on "wtf is maelstrom": http://2chie424y5ug2kfkkypuhcvwq2.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2014/12/blog-image.png | 13:10 |
| kanzure | "Maelstrom, a Python tool for the numerical simulation of magnetohydrodynamics" | 13:12 |
| fenn | uh oh they use mailchimp, i'm screwed | 13:14 |
| kragen | I could have told you that | 13:15 |
| fenn | kragen: thanks for nothing | 13:16 |
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| nmz787_i | .wik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_flange | 13:25 |
| yoleaux | "A vacuum flange is a flange at the end of a tube used to connect vacuum chambers, tubing and vacuum pumps to each other." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_flange | 13:25 |
| kragen | you didn't ask | 13:26 |
| fenn | kragen: is there anything else you think i should know? | 13:26 |
| * fenn tries to think of a suitable djinn enchantment | 13:27 | |
| nmz787_i | https://domains.google.com/about/ | 13:29 |
| fenn | pff beta. i only sign up for alpha junk mail | 13:31 |
| fenn | "Management figures they’ll save money on salaries by leaving it up to the employees to negotiate for their own pay. So they don’t give raises until someone tries to negotiate for one. Naturally, anyone asking for a raise is viewed as having no negotiating stance unless they have a credible claim to quitting, so raises are only given as counter-offers ... The most devoted, upstanding | 13:32 |
| fenn | employees are the least paid, and the most conniving, disinterested ones are paid the most." | 13:32 |
| kragen | that should be "interested" rather than "disinterested" | 13:33 |
| kragen | fenn: most of BitTorrent Inc.'s software has been proprietary for many years now | 13:33 |
| fenn | disinterested in the job | 13:33 |
| kragen | that's "uninterested". "disinterested" means "not selfish". | 13:33 |
| kragen | or, anyway, not corrupted by self-interest with regard to the particular issue at hand | 13:34 |
| fenn | huh okay | 13:34 |
| kragen | .wik disinterested | 13:34 |
| yoleaux | kragen: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. | 13:34 |
| kragen | .w disinterested | 13:34 |
| yoleaux | kragen: Sorry, that command (.w) crashed. | 13:34 |
| kragen | wiktionary says I'm wrong | 13:35 |
| kragen | 21:34 <+saxo> disinterested — adjective: 1. Having no stake or interest in the outcome; free of bias, impartial. [from 17th c.], 2. Uninterested, lacking interest. [from 17th c.] | 13:35 |
| fenn | The Collaborative International Dictionary of English agrees with you: " Not influenced by regard to personal interest or advantage; free from selfish motive;" | 13:36 |
| fenn | i tend to take words at their literal meaning | 13:37 |
| kragen | well, this one has two literal meanings, apparently, deriving from two of the meanings of "interest" | 13:38 |
| kragen | but the GCIDE meaning is the one I'd learned as legitimate | 13:39 |
| fenn | 1. To engage the attention of; 2. To be concerned with or engaged in; | 13:39 |
| fenn | neither of these have to do with self-promotion or gain? | 13:40 |
| kragen | those are verb meanings | 13:40 |
| kragen | we're looking for noun meanings | 13:40 |
| kragen | no? | 13:40 |
| kragen | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/interest#Noun lists the relevant meanings as #2 and #4 | 13:41 |
| kragen | in Spanish we use "interesado" to mean "selfishly motivated" | 13:42 |
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| fenn | how do you say "interesante"-ado | 13:43 |
| tadaaaaaa | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140924/ncomms6031/full/ncomms6031.html | 13:43 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fncomms6031 | 13:43 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140924/ncomms6031/full/ncomms6031.html | 13:52 |
| yoleaux | Retro-biosynthetic screening of a modular pathway design achieves selective route for microbial synthesis of 4-methyl-pentanol : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group | 13:52 |
| kragen | you'd also say that with "interesado" :) | 13:54 |
| fenn | i thought so :) | 13:54 |
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| kanzure | blah | 14:14 |
| tadaaaaaa | why does paperbot only take requests in the ##hplusroadmap channel :( seems like it should be able to be told to join other channels | 14:15 |
| tadaaaaaa | kanzure: ^ | 14:15 |
| kanzure | in 2023 president bill clinton granted paperbot emergency access to science under the condition that paperbot be confined to ##hplusroadmap | 14:16 |
| tadaaaaaa | lies. I've seen him in #xiph | 14:16 |
| fenn | that happened later | 14:19 |
| fenn | executive order signed by defense secretary jaden smith | 14:20 |
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| kanzure | .wik unit 61398 | 14:39 |
| yoleaux | "PLA Unit 61398 (Chinese: 61398部队) is the Military Unit Cover Designator (MUCD) of a People's Liberation Army advanced persistent threat unit that has been alleged to be the source of Chinese computer hacking attacks." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_61398 | 14:39 |
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| fenn | "they'll never figure out which number we use" | 14:43 |
| fenn | some urls sorted by date https://github.com/kbandla/aptnotes/ | 14:54 |
| chris_99 | kanzure, http://intelreport.mandiant.com/Mandiant_APT1_Report.pdf | 14:57 |
| chris_99 | that's got photos of the offices of that group heh | 14:57 |
| kanzure | "exposing one of china's cyber espionage units" | 14:57 |
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| kanzure | huh, i always thought that people talking about allen institute for artificial intelligence were just typoing allen institute for brain science: http://www.allenai.org/ | 15:36 |
| kanzure | papers http://www.allenai.org/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=12 | 15:37 |
| kanzure | yikes this all quite awful | 15:39 |
| kanzure | allen brain institute is better | 15:39 |
| fenn | "a small 'security tag' circuit which is added to IP cores (or complete designs) and a 'wand' which can detect and receive information from the 'security tag'. | 15:45 |
| fenn | This technique provides a method of proving illegal use of an IP core, which is non-invasive, quick and does not affect the functionality of a system. The technique can detect the IP Tag even if it is implemented on an FPGA where the bitstream is encrypted. As well as protecting against design piracy the security tag can be used to combat the increasing problem of chips which have been marked | 15:45 |
| fenn | by pirates as coming from a reputable manufacturer when in fact they are low-cost 'equivalents'. | 15:45 |
| fenn | conveniently doubles as a backdoor | 15:47 |
| fenn | http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/15105/a-security-tagging-scheme-for-asic-designs-and-intellectual-property-cores.html | 15:47 |
| kanzure | probabilistic inference engine thingy to pipe data into http://deepdive.stanford.edu/ | 15:49 |
| kanzure | what? "Over the last few years, we have built applications for both broad domains that read the Web and for specific domains like paleobiology. In collaboration with Shanan Peters (PaleobioDB), we built a system that reads documents with higher accuracy and from larger corpora than expert human volunteers" | 15:49 |
| kanzure | "For example, we showed that DeepDive can understand tabular data" http://cs.stanford.edu/people/chrismre/papers/jointable-acl.pdf | 15:50 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8uhs28O3eA&t=1m10s | 15:53 |
| kanzure | "This video is a demo of GeoDeepDive, a system that extracts dark data from geology journal articles" | 15:53 |
| kanzure | "dark data" | 15:53 |
| kanzure | black magic happening at 5m15s | 15:56 |
| fenn | this video is making me dumber | 15:56 |
| kanzure | more black magic at 6m10s | 15:57 |
| kanzure | yeah you should skip the parts i haven't referenced | 15:57 |
| fenn | speeding it up helps | 16:00 |
| fenn | er, so does it do OCR or what | 16:02 |
| fenn | how does it even know that's a table | 16:03 |
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| kanzure | i would imagine that non-OCR methods and OCR methods can be coupled together to any sort of generic pdf-reading inference-making engine | 16:04 |
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| kanzure | maaku: hey do you have any numbers on how much database storage you're consuming with sqlalchemy-bitcoin, and what database? | 16:56 |
| kanzure | maaku: or, if you don't feel comfortable sharing that info, then maybe an estimate as to order of magnitude compared to bitcoind's leveldb resource consumption | 16:57 |
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| genehacker | so where was the cheap microfluidics place? | 17:44 |
| delinquentme | genehacker, I think heath had made a request to some place in germany | 17:50 |
| delinquentme | what are you building? | 17:50 |
| genehacker | buy | 17:52 |
| genehacker | *hoping to buy a microreactor | 17:52 |
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| superkuh | I forgot the name of that FF/Chrome extension that exports tabs to easily shared html lists. Anyone remember it? | 18:22 |
| superkuh | One-tab. Nevermind. | 18:24 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if i can ever reach typing-induced muscle failure | 20:08 |
| kanzure | there doesn't seem to be any evidence of such a thing on the interwebs | 20:09 |
| kanzure | perhaps these muscles don't experience failures | 20:09 |
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| ebowden | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691511006399 | 20:30 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Assessment%20of%20the%20health%20impact%20of%20GM%20plant%20diets%20in%20long-term%20and%20multigenerational%20animal%20feeding%20trials%3A%20A%20literature%20review%0A%20.pdf | 20:30 |
| ebowden | Damn. | 20:31 |
| ebowden | Doesn't work. | 20:31 |
| ParahSailin | i dont think its usually muscles that fail | 20:32 |
| kanzure | huh, turns out to not be an actual idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_to_failure | 20:33 |
| kanzure | there's no "muscle failure" article | 20:33 |
| ParahSailin | tendons and ligaments dont heal very well because they arent vascularized | 20:34 |
| kanzure | i really don't think that i have experienced any typing-related tendon or ligament damage ever | 20:35 |
| kanzure | i am currently experiencing some muscle sluggishness or something, i don't know how to describe it | 20:35 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, delay in relaxation ? | 21:02 |
| kanzure | nah, more like weakness after 20 hours of use | 21:05 |
| nmz787 | is gist.github less 'noisy'/'loud' from a google search standpoint vs github? I'd like people to be able to find these little GUIs: https://gist.github.com/nmz787/ff7ae7b64d59070390ea | 21:25 |
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| delinquentme | nmz787, i've had a similar problem :D | 22:49 |
| delinquentme | oh but you built a GUI for it? | 22:49 |
| delinquentme | mine just needed mapped to keys | 22:49 |
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