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| archels | paperbot: http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/NECO_a_00687 | 02:55 |
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| archels | what tip jar do I fell to roll back to that version that successfully grabbed NeCo papers | 03:00 |
| nmz787 | archels: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Optimizing_the_Representation_of_Orientation_Preference_Maps_in_Visual_Cortex.pdf | 03:11 |
| nmz787 | it only took me so long because I switched from unity to xfce on ubuntu a few days ago, and can't easily switch network proxies now | 03:12 |
| nmz787 | that references http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Optimizing_the_Representation_of_Orientation_Preference_Maps_in_Visual_Cortex.pdf | 03:12 |
| nmz787 | err, https://github.com/nickjhughes/hclmat | 03:13 |
| nmz787 | I have often wondered what the perfect set of GUI/graph/plot colors are in case of a color-blind user | 03:14 |
| archels | could you grab http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/NECO_a_00670 too? | 03:15 |
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| archels | and send me the address of that tip jar | 03:26 |
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| kanzure | tip jars for this would be a very bad idea | 06:35 |
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| kanzure | 03:47 < gmaxwell> adam3us: related to debugging race condtitions; IIRC one feature of "rr" (A replay debugger: http://rr-project.org/ ; records all non-determinstic inputs to your program, including scheduling, so you can effectively go backwards in a debugger ) is that it can schedule your threads in a somewhat adversarial | 07:12 |
| kanzure | 03:48 < gmaxwell> iddo: I dunno if you saw, but someone posted a tool with a new metalanguge wrapper around libsnark complete with circuits for sha256 and sha512. | 07:13 |
| kanzure | 03:48 < gmaxwell> I'm pretty close to being able to demonstrate an actual zero knoweldge contingent payment in bitcoin using it. | 07:13 |
| delinquentme_ | Morning !!! | 07:13 |
| delinquentme_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4z8QMgTEA4 | 07:13 |
| kanzure | 04:13 < iddo> BTW it needs snark circuit for AES, anyone wrote that yet? the zerocash people only wrote SHA256 | 07:14 |
| kanzure | 04:13 < gmaxwell> iddo: I replaced the AES with more SHA256. Also the zerocash people haven't released any of their circuits; fortunately someone else did. | 07:14 |
| kanzure | .title | 07:14 |
| yoleaux | Flite Test | Waterproofing Electronics - YouTube | 07:14 |
| kanzure | 06:20 < gmaxwell> adam3us: wumpus has been toying some with getting bitcoin consensus code running inside moxie box... which is partially an expirement around sandboxing the consensus code to turn it into a bytecode to be damn sure its implemented determinstically... | 07:19 |
| kanzure | 06:24 < gmaxwell> yea, moxie is a simple virtual machine, it's implementable as a ~1kloc of C switch statement.. so it should be fairly straightforward to prove that an implementation of it is absolutely determinstic and memory safe, etc. and presumably people could make optimized versions which were provably consistent with the spec and so on. | 07:19 |
| kanzure | "rest api for any postgresql database" https://github.com/begriffs/postgrest | 07:20 |
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| delinquentme_ | I need to design office chairs for programmers | 07:58 |
| delinquentme_ | I wish I could take a pic of this setup I've got right now ... it feels fucking AMAZING | 07:59 |
| delinquentme_ | ikea poang chair + pillow under the butt to lift me up, so shoulders hang + elbows dont hit arm rests | 07:59 |
| delinquentme_ | two tennis balls one the lower back -- srsly feels ./drool good | 08:00 |
| delinquentme_ | and a simple orange juice bottle between the shoulderblades | 08:00 |
| delinquentme_ | for once while Im programming ... my chest isn't concave | 08:00 |
| shannon | tennis balls? | 08:01 |
| delinquentme_ | yeah | 08:02 |
| delinquentme_ | they're amazing for getting knots out | 08:02 |
| delinquentme_ | knots in your muscles | 08:02 |
| delinquentme_ | oh and the legs are up on a chair w a heating pad underneath | 08:02 |
| delinquentme_ | I cant help but think that the lumbar area doesnt need to be in a single position ... but instead adjusted forwards / backwards as you work | 08:03 |
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| delinquentme_ | now if only my hands would thaw out -- i'd be good | 08:03 |
| cluckj | the poang chair is pretty great | 08:06 |
| delinquentme_ | its decent but while its cold outside ... I've got the slightly lacking circulation in the extremities | 08:08 |
| delinquentme_ | and the angle / height is kind of assisting in the lack of blood flow to the toes | 08:08 |
| cluckj | they make a footstool that matches the chair | 08:09 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, you're near dallas right? | 08:09 |
| cluckj | it's not a great footstool, but it does give you a place to put your feet | 08:10 |
| delinquentme_ | yeahhh I just dont have it :D | 08:10 |
| delinquentme_ | know what feels amazing? fidgeting around and having the tennis balls massage your lower back | 08:10 |
| delinquentme_ | http://www.jacobsschool.ucsd.edu/news/news_releases/release.sfe?id=1589 | 08:14 |
| delinquentme_ | Engineers at UC San Diego have developed a nanoparticle-based material for concentrating solar power plants that converts 90% of captured sunlight to heat. With particle sizes ranging from 10 nanometers to 10 micrometers, the multiscale structure traps and absorbs light more efficiently and at temperatures greater than 700 degrees Celsius. Credit: Renkun Chen, UC San Diego Jacobs School of Engineering. | 08:14 |
| kanzure | i am in austin | 08:14 |
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| delinquentme_ | How is the temperature shift upwards ... here to 700 C ... correlate with lower temps and superconductivity | 08:15 |
| delinquentme_ | ? | 08:15 |
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| kanzure | 10:30 < gmaxwell> petertodd: Building consensus code in very high level languages, demonstrated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTvDjhImwo | 10:39 |
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| narwh4l | kanzure serpent offers turing complete contracts, right? | 10:51 |
| kanzure | hehe | 10:52 |
| kanzure | well, i think the answer is yes, but why do you ask | 10:52 |
| * narwh4l shrugs | 10:52 | |
| narwh4l | nevermind, didn't watch video | 10:53 |
| narwh4l | thought it was srs | 10:53 |
| kanzure | it is serious :) | 10:53 |
| kanzure | that's not supposed to happen | 10:53 |
| kanzure | is good demonstration of how to fuck with people that don't understand how stuff works | 10:53 |
| narwh4l | I'm about 1:40 into the video atm | 10:53 |
| kanzure | narwh4l: these are things worth reading https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alts.pdf | 10:53 |
| narwh4l | wtf | 10:54 |
| kanzure | haha | 10:54 |
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| kanzure | .title http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2011/10/12/rspb.2011.1959.short | 11:02 |
| yoleaux | Online social network size is reflected in human brain structure | Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B: Biological Sciences | 11:02 |
| kanzure | " Here, we show a biological basis for such variability by demonstrating that quantitative variation in the number of friends an individual declares on a web-based social networking service reliably predicted grey matter density in the right superior temporal sulcus, left middle temporal gyrus and entorhinal cortex. Such regions have been previously implicated in social perception and associative memory, respectively. " | 11:02 |
| narwh4l | tl;dr people who are social tend to be good at it | 11:03 |
| kanzure | according to these results i should have a jupiter brain | 11:03 |
| kanzure | i'll just have to send them a nastygram asking them where my extra brain mass i've been promised is located | 11:04 |
| narwh4l | They would probably just tell you to get more friends | 11:06 |
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| narwh4l | "here are some friend flashcards. memorize the shape of their eyebrows" | 11:06 |
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| kanzure | hehe | 11:22 |
| cluckj | lol | 11:26 |
| kanzure | cluckj: page 9 figure 1 and page 10, thoughts? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Ecological%20dominance,%20social%20competition,%20and%20coalitionary%20arms%20races:%20Why%20humans%20evolved%20extraordinary%20intelligence.pdf | 11:28 |
| cluckj | the table? | 11:29 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:30 |
| kanzure | wait, you're not particularly anti-evolutionary-anthropology are you? | 11:30 |
| cluckj | I have a complicated relationship with biological determinism of social stuff | 11:31 |
| kanzure | page 26 section 5 first paragraph is interesting and all, but there's no explanation here of how that runaway got started here but not elsewhere | 11:32 |
| cluckj | runaway selection means self-reinforcing | 11:33 |
| kanzure | right but why aren't other brains self-reinforcing in other species | 11:34 |
| cluckj | an escalating feedback loop | 11:34 |
| archels | someone had to be first | 11:34 |
| cluckj | in the second paragraph they explain why | 11:34 |
| kanzure | yes but we're relativey late in history compared to other brained species | 11:34 |
| kanzure | i don't see the explanation there | 11:35 |
| kanzure | those are all results | 11:36 |
| cluckj | 1) unusual pattern of speciation 2) unusual life history pattern 3) unique mating system 4) neocortex size difference etc. | 11:37 |
| kanzure | that sounds like the result and not the cause to me | 11:37 |
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| cluckj | causality is different in the social sciences, what they're referring to is all of those things co-constituting together, rather than a single thing causing multiple effects | 11:39 |
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| cluckj | not a --> b, c, d; but a <--> b <--> c <--> d, where everything is getting positive feedback from everything else and itself | 11:41 |
| kanzure | so that sounds like the "someone had to be first" argument, in which case i refer you to "we're pretty late in history" | 11:42 |
| cluckj | I'm not sure what you mean | 11:43 |
| cluckj | they're talking about populations evolving, not individuals | 11:43 |
| kanzure | seems unlikely that no other populations were exposed to multiple confounding factors in the past 500 million years etc | 11:45 |
| cluckj | yes | 11:45 |
| cluckj | it's kind of a typical teleological explanation (in evolutionary psych.) for why humans are the way we are | 11:46 |
| cluckj | at least they aren't trying to explain how human culture or society works using evolutionary principles... | 11:47 |
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| nmz787 | archels: sorry i went to sleep I guess http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Topological_Sparse_Learning_of_Dynamic_Form_Patterns.pdf | 12:18 |
| archels | cool, much obliged! | 12:23 |
| kanzure | narwh4l: petertodd was talking about things like libbitcoinconsensus | 12:28 |
| kanzure | narwh4l: also i highly recommend allowing petertodd to shoot you, he's pretty great at the job | 12:28 |
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| kanzure | "Prisoners read more library books than do non-prisoners" http://acrosswalls.org/section/communicative-structure/prison-libraries/page/4/ | 12:33 |
| kanzure | yes well myabe if librarians weren't so ridiculously afraid of doing their job i'd have more books too | 12:33 |
| * narwh4l shrugs | 12:33 | |
| narwh4l | I don't ever buy books | 12:33 |
| kanzure | narwh4l: libraries are a conspiracy operated by olcl | 12:34 |
| kanzure | er, oclc | 12:34 |
| narwh4l | the literati | 12:34 |
| kanzure | and this is why there's no libraries defiantly posting digital content online | 12:34 |
| kanzure | (don't you think it's a little strange that libraries just "gave up"?) | 12:34 |
| narwh4l | actually I haz uni library access so I'm set in electronic material too ^_^ | 12:35 |
| kanzure | heh | 12:35 |
| kanzure | we have paperbot for that <3 | 12:35 |
| narwh4l | most books I can get online if they were published in the last few years | 12:35 |
| narwh4l | yes, I can potentially get papers for you as well | 12:35 |
| narwh4l | Just gotta be careful not to go overboard and be sentenced to 38 years in prison | 12:35 |
| kanzure | paperbot v2 has some try-multiple-ezproxy-endpoint features but i haven't tested this yet | 12:35 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/tree/master/paperbot | 12:36 |
| kanzure | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/master/urls.txt | 12:36 |
| narwh4l | kanzure, I am releasing a hardware project in March | 12:36 |
| narwh4l | I think you are going to like it ^_^ | 12:36 |
| narwh4l | it's not 100% hardware | 12:36 |
| narwh4l | but it has a lot to do with this subject | 12:36 |
| kanzure | ocr thing? | 12:36 |
| narwh4l | negative | 12:36 |
| kanzure | hm | 12:36 |
| narwh4l | although that will be one application | 12:37 |
| narwh4l | sec... | 12:37 |
| narwh4l | basically I'm going some networking magic to make a p2p network with easily configurable distributed data collection and load balancing for said data collection as well as automatic delegation of tasks to find acceptable models of a parameter that you care about | 12:38 |
| narwh4l | whether the data set is 100kb or 30TB | 12:38 |
| narwh4l | GPUs are essentially what enables this to be feasible now | 12:39 |
| kanzure | how are you dealing with sybil attacks? | 12:39 |
| narwh4l | There are a couple ways....one is the good old, don't connect with people you don't trust and then just rely on small world network | 12:39 |
| narwh4l | small world routing is really efficient btw | 12:39 |
| narwh4l | and then you have some extra measures akin to a blockchain where a node can quickly verify it belongs in its position by sending hashes of files and results it has generated | 12:40 |
| kanzure | "in its position"? | 12:40 |
| narwh4l | well you have some arbitrary addressing space in your p2p network | 12:40 |
| narwh4l | it gets all fucked up when people can lie about where they belong and who they are | 12:41 |
| narwh4l | if I'm assigning you important tasks and you just go "lol" I'm equally as fucked | 12:41 |
| narwh4l | ^_^ | 12:41 |
| kanzure | one of the ways to defend against sybil is to use a centralized model, so why not use that here? | 12:42 |
| kanzure | then you can do centralized resource allocation | 12:42 |
| narwh4l | cause that's a single point of failure to attack | 12:42 |
| kanzure | well sybil attacks are far more deadly | 12:42 |
| narwh4l | if they're successful, sure | 12:42 |
| narwh4l | but if I wanted to use a centralized server I'd just use hadoop | 12:42 |
| kanzure | as for checking results sounds like you will need something like snarks or http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/VerSum:%20Verifiable%20computations%20over%20large%20public%20logs.pdf | 12:43 |
| narwh4l | not to mention decentralized systems might be easier to carry out sybil on, but as far as compromising individual nodes when operating in a small-world darknet, it's way way harder | 12:43 |
| kanzure | as for darknets i've been thinking this is an interesting direction, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/security/The%20Pynchon%20Gate:%20A%20secure%20method%20of%20pseudonymous%20mail%20retrieval%20-%20Len%20Sassaman%20-%20Bram%20Cohen%20-%20Nick%20Mathewson.pdf and http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/security/pynchon/ | 12:44 |
| narwh4l | if you can make it too expensive to carry out sybil at any given moment, you're good. it shouldn't be as simple as "mining" | 12:44 |
| kanzure | uhrm.. | 12:44 |
| kanzure | i am skeptical | 12:44 |
| narwh4l | kk | 12:44 |
| narwh4l | that's fine | 12:44 |
| narwh4l | I'm not claiming superiority over crypto btw | 12:45 |
| narwh4l | er blockchains rather | 12:45 |
| kanzure | due to the explosion of people trying to fork bitcoin's system for other purposes, i have looked at many proposals for preventing sybil attacks, and in general i think people are bad at this | 12:45 |
| kanzure | right, i know you're not claiming that | 12:45 |
| narwh4l | just that I think I have something more appropriate for this use | 12:45 |
| kanzure | but even torrents (as a transfer protocol) doesn't really solve this | 12:45 |
| narwh4l | people are bad at it, I agree with you | 12:45 |
| narwh4l | I'm probably not giving you a nice explanation....so you have the data you possess, the work you're supposed to complete and the resources you have access to | 12:46 |
| narwh4l | all of these can be verified | 12:46 |
| narwh4l | they create a fingerprint for you at a point in time | 12:46 |
| kanzure | does this verification require trusted setup | 12:47 |
| narwh4l | I suppose so, yes | 12:47 |
| kanzure | well anyway, all of these issues are security/incentives/attacks, and not problems of resource allocation (which is i assume the meat of your actual proposal) | 12:48 |
| narwh4l | correct | 12:49 |
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| kanzure | are you familiar with snarks, arguments of knowledge, zero knowledge, etc? | 12:55 |
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| narwh4l | zero knowledge proofs definitely | 13:04 |
| narwh4l | honestly don't know what a snark is | 13:05 |
| narwh4l | it's probably some randomly appearing and disappearing thing | 13:05 |
| narwh4l | developing on this board: | 13:06 |
| narwh4l | http://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-Jetson-TK1-Development-Kit/dp/B00L7AWOEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420146383&sr=8-1&keywords=jetson+tk1 | 13:06 |
| narwh4l | desirable because nice but low power gpu | 13:06 |
| narwh4l | 192 threads is just fine if it's a p2p network | 13:07 |
| narwh4l | not releasing as a product, just a FOSS project | 13:07 |
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| nmz787 | btw in case you don't see in the main chat room http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Topological_Sparse_Learning_of_Dynamic_Form_Patterns.pdf | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | whoops | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | wrong termin | 13:09 |
| nmz787 | I think I saw the Jetson at Makerfaire | 13:10 |
| narwh4l | yeah, cool little board | 13:10 |
| narwh4l | I'm also writing an article for Make about it | 13:10 |
| nmz787 | so you can use CUDA extensions? | 13:11 |
| narwh4l | Yep! | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 13:11 |
| narwh4l | 192 cuda cores is not a lot compared to a desktop gpu but the power consumption is attractive | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | how much is a decent 6 to 8 inch 1080 HDMI screen? | 13:11 |
| nmz787 | I imagine $75? | 13:11 |
| * narwh4l shrugs | 13:11 | |
| narwh4l | sure | 13:11 |
| narwh4l | also pdxbyte had a great talk about reversing the RPi's GPU, pretty excellent work | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | hmm, I am not finding them | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | on amazon at least | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | ah, yeah I missed that in-person | 13:13 |
| nmz787 | are you in pdx? | 13:14 |
| narwh4l | nope | 13:14 |
| narwh4l | Outside of Detroit | 13:14 |
| * narwh4l has to go, bbl | 13:14 | |
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| kanzure | .wik john titor | 14:12 |
| yoleaux | "John Titor is the name used on several bulletin boards during 2000 and 2001 by a poster claiming to be a time traveler from 2036." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor | 14:12 |
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| narwh4l | Please no nuclear war in 2015 | 14:21 |
| narwh4l | That would be a very shitty last couple of years | 14:21 |
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| kanzure | haha robotech quotes http://www.psydb.net/samples/1-b.php#3165 | 15:06 |
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| kanzure | http://www.psydb.net/sound/samples/s-hyperion_-_sun_flower.mp3 these people are silly | 15:31 |
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| delinquentme_ | .wik carl crott | 15:58 |
| yoleaux | delinquentme_: Sorry, I couldn't find article. | 15:58 |
| delinquentme_ | ha ha! | 15:58 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 17:34 |
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| kanzure | i have the answer | 20:22 |
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| nmz787 | .wik big mac index | 21:12 |
| yoleaux | "The Big Mac Index is published by The Economist as an informal way of measuring the purchasing power parity (PPP) between two currencies and provides a test of the extent to which market exchange rates result in goods costing the same in different countries. It "seeks to make exchange-rate theory a bit more digestible"." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_mac_index | 21:12 |
| kanzure | .g site:arxiv.org "yo momma" | 21:22 |
| yoleaux | No results found. | 21:22 |
| kanzure | a tragedy | 21:22 |
| delinquentme_ | MUAHAHAH | 21:48 |
| delinquentme_ | diamond is now working | 21:48 |
| delinquentme_ | .g site:arxiv.org "panties" | 21:49 |
| yoleaux | http://arxiv-web.arxiv.org/pdf/1310.7682v1 | 21:49 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, im better at this than you are | 21:49 |
| kanzure | yes, you found the one joke about your mom on arxiv | 21:50 |
| kanzure | congrats | 21:50 |
| delinquentme_ | no kanzoo | 21:58 |
| delinquentme_ | i found panties. | 21:58 |
| delinquentme_ | now im wearing them | 21:58 |
| delinquentme_ | #welcomeToSF! | 21:58 |
| bkero | ^ This is why I don't live in SF | 22:00 |
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| kanzure | bkero: how's paycoin working out | 22:01 |
| kanzure | sorry, that's mean of me | 22:01 |
| kanzure | retracted | 22:01 |
| bkero | kanzure: pretty great. Sold at 0.047btc | 22:02 |
| kanzure | you can't answer a retracted question that's against the rules or something | 22:03 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 22:03 | |
| bkero | lol ok | 22:03 |
| delinquentme_ | bkero, the crazy humans is totally worth being around the smartest ones | 22:04 |
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