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| kanzure | the tippy toppest secret | 08:00 |
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| kanzure | this is too short http://rationality.org/checklist/ | 08:15 |
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| catern | probably it's meant to be short | 08:18 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 12:25 |
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| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8831912 | 14:25 |
| yoleaux | Show HN: Crapify, a proxy for simulating slow, spotty HTTP connections | Hacker News | 14:25 |
| kanzure | hmm, but you shouldn't be testing network stack stuff ideally, since you should be assuming your network stack works and gives you good error codes | 14:25 |
| bkero | kanzure: happy birthday | 14:40 |
| bkero | kanzure: You'd think. One of my favorite games is to give a facebook developer a crappy mobile phone on a slow network and tell them to try using their own product. | 14:41 |
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| narwh4l | This is kind of a classic question - is it better to simulate issues or test them in the environment? IMO answer is obvious | 15:02 |
| narwh4l | That being said, good testing can get expensive | 15:03 |
| kanzure | eh, as a developer i have never actually implemented code to check for all possible errors according to my network layer | 15:03 |
| kanzure | so i'm gonna go ahead and assume that doing what i do is probably common | 15:03 |
| kanzure | an alternative idea is that maybe there's no network stack implementations that actually provide good error information | 15:04 |
| kanzure | but i haven't looked anyway | 15:04 |
| narwh4l | In this case I'm not sure if it really matters if the approach is popular or not | 15:04 |
| narwh4l | I haven't developed a network stack for anything in the wild, but just as a general principle | 15:05 |
| narwh4l | unit testing is around for a reason | 15:06 |
| narwh4l | Oh wait, I have | 15:06 |
| narwh4l | but I didn't test anything systematically like you're talking about | 15:06 |
| narwh4l | but not testing is how 0days are born | 15:07 |
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| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8832110 | 16:00 |
| yoleaux | Biology needs a Grothendieck (or at least a Hilbert) | Hacker News | 16:00 |
| kanzure | anselm spotted in public, everyone swarm him go | 16:00 |
| kanzure | "I came to biology from physics over a decade ago thinking that theory would matter. But modern biology is not waiting for a Grothendieck. We are not wanting for a deep theoretical view to reinterpret our data with. We are wanting for cheap, high quality data about cells and organisms in the first place. Those of you who have not done biology can't realize how primitive things still are. A CS analogy is that we're trying to reverse ... | 16:00 |
| kanzure | ... engineer a non-deterministic alien architecture from the future via a remote debugger over a noisy line that has no error correction and runs at a fraction of a millibaud, where every peek or poke costs hundreds to thousands of dollars. With the advent of high-throughput sequencing we just figured out how to get noisy ROM/RAM dumps (genotype), but still have precious little ability to quickly interact with the biological systems ... | 16:00 |
| kanzure | ... under study (phenotype). Biology is much more like hacking and reverse engineering than it is like physics or mathematics. A working exploit is worth much more than general pontification. The transformative events in biology these days are the clever hacks that enable whole new classes of fast experiments to be done: quick homologous recombination induced by CRISPR, optical interrogation of neural systems using light-sensitive ion ... | 16:01 |
| kanzure | ... channels, the development of adeno-associated viruses for rapid introduction of genetic material, etc. In the coming decades the combination of such clever hacks with cheaper automation and sensors will hopefully bring a flood of new data that will make a predictive, quantitative science of biology possible. With cheap and plentiful data, perhaps clever minds might discover general quantitative principles that we can't see yet. But ... | 16:01 |
| kanzure | ... the data is what's lacking, not cleverness." | 16:01 |
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| nmz787 | this looks cool but the code is open, or at least not downloadable currently https://will-forfang.squarespace.com/3d-scanning-digitizing-on-the-cheap-2/ | 16:56 |
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| heath | https://github.com/gitchain/gitchain | 17:35 |
| heath | Decentralized, peer-to-peer Git repositories aka "Git meets Bitcoin" | 17:35 |
| heath | similar to crapify, i recently came across https://github.com/hapijs/shot | 17:45 |
| heath | almost interesting stuff happening in hapi.js land | 17:45 |
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| kanzure | "decentralized git repos" -_- | 18:55 |
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| augur_ | btw if anyone's interested, the alpha version of the Language Engine ObjC SDK is now on github. more info in the tweet https://twitter.com/psygnisfive/status/551564619513626624 | 19:43 |
| augur_ | i figure this is definitely relevant to h+ roadmap since its conversational AI :x | 19:44 |
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| kanzure | what | 19:47 |
| kanzure | how can there be more info in a god damn tweet | 19:48 |
| kanzure | .tw | 19:48 |
| yoleaux | the alpha version of @languagengine is now on Github, including a demo project! https://github.com/languagengine/Language-Engine-Framework/releases/tag/v0.1.0 (@psygnisfive) | 19:48 |
| augur_ | kanzure: well theres a convo below the tweet :P | 19:48 |
| kanzure | there was no extra information in the tweet and you lied to me | 19:48 |
| augur_ | kanzure: IM SORRY T_T | 19:48 |
| kanzure | :( | 19:49 |
| augur_ | kanzure: the replies contain convo tho, so if thats useful, its there :P | 19:53 |
| kanzure | there's no source code in this repo? | 19:55 |
| kanzure | wtf | 19:55 |
| augur_ | kanzure: there's a zipped xcode project | 19:58 |
| augur_ | with the framework, a demo app project, and docs | 19:59 |
| augur_ | kanzure: ill make it clearer i guess? thank you for commenting on that | 20:00 |
| kanzure | version control too cool for you? | 20:05 |
| augur_ | kanzure: the framework is on github but privately. its a wrapper around some haskell, and its a mess because of that | 20:06 |
| augur_ | if you mean for the whole collection of files, i havent yet figured out if/how github manages xcode projects and frameworks. their page on releases suggests you zip everything up so i did | 20:07 |
| augur_ | im going to poke at github a bit more tho to see if it will handle the projects nicely | 20:07 |
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| augur_ | kanzure: lemme know if you end up playing with it, ey? | 20:26 |
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| kanzure | hi genehacker | 21:42 |
| genehacker | hi | 21:42 |
| yoleaux | 14 Dec 2014 13:33Z <kanzure> genehacker: nmz787's microfluidic mixer http://imgur.com/4XgSEWH | 21:42 |
| genehacker | inputs outputs? | 21:43 |
| genehacker | openscad? | 21:43 |
| kanzure | i don't remember | 21:43 |
| kanzure | nmz787: explain yo self | 21:43 |
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