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| kanzure | beep | 05:39 |
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| justanotheruser | pong | 06:39 |
| kanzure | sup | 06:41 |
| justanotheruser | getting started with lfs | 06:44 |
| kanzure | linux from scratch? | 06:52 |
| justanotheruser | yeah | 06:52 |
| justanotheruser | I hope it isn't that much more tedious than it sounds | 06:53 |
| chris_99 | heh, why are you doing that out of interest, to learn linux more? | 06:53 |
| kanzure | can't be more tedious than understanding bitcoin | 06:53 |
| justanotheruser | chris_99: understand linux, and it would be nice to be able to create a system that does what I want and only what I want. | 06:54 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: it's probably much better documented than bitcoin | 06:55 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: i ran into someone who was quoting bitcoin documentation in an argument, but it turns out the documentation was wrong, so https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/713 | 06:57 |
| kanzure | the documentation is actually quite poor in a few areas, who wrote this stuff? | 06:57 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: someone quoted the documentation and said that 51/100 mining individuals could attack the network or something to that effect? | 07:13 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: the misconception was something about miners and voting | 07:13 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I actually use the same terminology and have in the last week written some documentation that says almost the same thing you corrected. | 07:14 |
| justanotheruser | "51% of miners" | 07:14 |
| kanzure | hehe | 07:14 |
| kanzure | yeah it's hard to get this right | 07:14 |
| * justanotheruser goes and substitutes miners with hashrate | 07:15 | |
| justanotheruser | miners do vote though | 07:15 |
| justanotheruser | some have more votes. I guess their confusion was from thinking all miners had equal votes? | 07:15 |
| kanzure | which particular thing do you think is like a vote? | 07:15 |
| justanotheruser | a hash | 07:16 |
| kanzure | why is that anything like a vote? | 07:16 |
| justanotheruser | also your votes are only counted 1/10000000000000 of the time | 07:16 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: Because the fork with the majority of voters will win over time | 07:17 |
| justanotheruser | Voting isn't a perfect analogy :P | 07:17 |
| kanzure | "majority of voters" is bullshit. even if vote was a good analogy (which it isn't), it's still wrong when you say "majority of voters". | 07:18 |
| justanotheruser | s/voters/votes/ | 07:18 |
| kanzure | hehe | 07:18 |
| justanotheruser | "Sorry to be a wet blanket. Writing a description for (bitcoin) for general audiences is bloody hard. There’s nothing to relate it to." - satoshi | 07:19 |
| kanzure | "In vitro fertilization within microfluidic channels requires lower total numbers and lower concentrations of spermatozoa" | 07:34 |
| kanzure | makes sense to me | 07:34 |
| kanzure | "High-throughput optofluidic system for the laser microsurgery of oocytes" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3380719/ (why?) | 07:37 |
| kanzure | "Engineering spatial gradients of signaling proteins using magnetic nanoparticles" | 07:38 |
| kanzure | "...we will focus on recent advances based on magnetic nanoparticles conjugated to proteins to trigger specific signaling pathways and cellular processes. Extracellular or intracellular manipulations of nanoparticles permit magnetic control of ion channels and membrane receptor activation, protein positioning within cells and cytoskeleton spatial engineering. These approaches provide powerful strategies to examine the organization ... | 07:40 |
| kanzure | ... principles of living cells." | 07:40 |
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| kanzure | "On the nature of the compact dark mass at the galactic center" http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0512211.pdf | 07:51 |
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| kanzure | "Magnetic fields in the galactic Universe, as observed in supershells, galaxies, intergalactic and cosmic realms" "... Here I present a survey of magnetic fields in large objects, from the interstellar supershells (10 pc) up to the edge of the Universe (near a redshift z of 10), with an emphasis on discoveries made in the last decade, be they through particle astronomy or electromagnetic astronomy. For each type of object, the basic ... | 08:02 |
| kanzure | ... observational properties are summarized, and the best theoretical scenario which accounts for the large body of observations is discussed. The strength of these large-scale fields can vary from mGauss to μGauss. Magnetism acts as a tracer of the dynamical histories of cosmological and intracluster events, it guides the motion of the interstellar ionised gas, and it aligns the charged dust particles." | 08:02 |
| kanzure | "The timescale for the galaxy is huge. Probably several orders of magnitude greater than current estimates of the age of the universe. This is plenty of time for life to have arisen many times over on suitable planets. When these planets are destroyed (as their sun falls into the centre) some of the molecules may survive and and be recycled into new planets. Thus in a steady state planets will start out seeded with molecules which will ... | 08:07 |
| kanzure | ... help to start life over again. Indeed standard selection processes over a galactic timescale will favour lifeforms which can arise easily from the debris left over from their ultimate demise in the galactic centre." http://www.mysearch.org.uk/website1/pdf/642%202.1%20struc-gal.pdf | 08:08 |
| kanzure | well that's one idea... heh. | 08:08 |
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| kanzure | "The calculations of general relativity on massive celestial bodies collapsing into singular black holes are wrong" http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=52426 | 08:29 |
| kanzure | pdf http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?paperID=52426 | 08:29 |
| kanzure | nsh: what do you make of this | 08:29 |
| nsh | "had a series and serious of mistakes." | 08:30 |
| nsh | but yeah, sounds plausible | 08:31 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: suppose i had 40-50 rabbits available for antibody production. should i take this? | 08:55 |
| kanzure | "77 day protocol includes 2 ELISAs (rabbit) $425.00/rabbit" on scienceexchange | 08:57 |
| kanzure | that is not much | 08:57 |
| ParahSailin | i imagine having rabbits is the easy part | 09:07 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: go on | 09:08 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: hard part is wherenow? | 09:08 |
| ParahSailin | wetlab? | 09:08 |
| kanzure | ELISA? or what | 09:09 |
| kanzure | "A physical brain size no larger than a human seems like a pretty arbitrary constraint to me. The fastest signals in the human brain move at a couple of hundred meters a second, many are far slower, light moves at 300 million meters per second. So if you insist that the 2 most distant parts of a brain communicate as fast as they do in a human brain (and it's not immediately obvious why you should insist on that) then parts in the brain ... | 09:16 |
| kanzure | ... of a AI could be at least one million times as distant. The volume increases by the cube of the distance so such a brain would physically be a million trillion times larger than a human brain. Even if 99.9% of that volume were used just to deliver power and get rid of waste heat you'd still have a thousand trillion times as much volume for logic and memory components as humans have room for inside their heads. And the components ... | 09:16 |
| kanzure | ... inside the AI would be considerably smaller than the components inside the human." | 09:16 |
| sheena | rabbits? | 09:23 |
| sheena | ParahSailin: im interested in hearing about the "hard part" of the stuff bryan is discussing | 09:25 |
| ParahSailin | i take it the elisa is to test the affinity of the polyclonal antibody | 09:29 |
| sheena | ok. | 09:29 |
| sheena | im under the impression that people will purchase rabbit serum | 09:29 |
| ParahSailin | yeah thats what it is | 09:29 |
| sheena | after said rabbit has been innoculated with X antigen | 09:29 |
| sheena | so the elisa test woul dbe to confirm this worked? | 09:29 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.research.fsu.edu/acuc/Policies_Guidelines/Antibody%20Production_Polyclonal.pdf | 09:30 |
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| ParahSailin | doesnt appear that hard | 09:42 |
| ParahSailin | people dont appear to expect affinity purification for 400 | 09:43 |
| kanzure | so you ship them blood back? | 09:43 |
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| ParahSailin | yes | 09:50 |
| sheena | blood or serum? | 09:51 |
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| yashgaroth | the rabbit polyclonals I've gotten were in plasma | 10:05 |
| yashgaroth | ELISAs are more to quantify since polyclonals are gonna have all different affinities | 10:07 |
| kanzure | is rabbit market saturated | 10:07 |
| kanzure | 'cause sheena has access to a bunch of rabbits and it is convenient | 10:07 |
| sheena | i can do plasma. just need edta? | 10:07 |
| yashgaroth | and a centrifuge, but yeah I think so | 10:08 |
| yashgaroth | I think the big producers have economies of scale on their side | 10:08 |
| kanzure | how big is big? | 10:08 |
| kanzure | i think sheena could handle 100 rabbits without much effort at the moment | 10:09 |
| sheena | 100 in a day? naw | 10:09 |
| sheena | the city would come after me | 10:09 |
| kanzure | what do you mean by day? | 10:09 |
| sheena | at a time | 10:09 |
| kanzure | feeding? | 10:09 |
| sheena | i cannot have 100 rabbits living on this property in any given moment | 10:09 |
| sheena | i mean | 10:09 |
| kanzure | isn't it a farm? | 10:09 |
| sheena | for a few hours it'd be ok, if like, they arrived in the morning and left in the evening | 10:10 |
| sheena | we;re in city limits | 10:10 |
| sheena | bylaws suck | 10:10 |
| kanzure | haha | 10:10 |
| kanzure | ok | 10:10 |
| sheena | 100 would be enough to be incredibly inconvenient at best | 10:10 |
| sheena | 40 is a good number, but some of those are breeders | 10:10 |
| sheena | 4 litters is very reasonable, 6 would be ok. so say.. 24-36 young rabbits | 10:10 |
| sheena | as long as i can kill em at 12 weeks, its not bad | 10:10 |
| sheena | i wouldnt want to start with/commit to any more than 36 at a time to start with | 10:11 |
| sheena | but tehy'd be rotating im sure.. some being born as others are culled ec? | 10:11 |
| yashgaroth | wait are these food rabbits? like 'oh what a waste my dinner isn't making polyclonals'? | 10:11 |
| kanzure | more of a money thing | 10:11 |
| yashgaroth | I imagine the cost of becoming legit is the bar to entry, also I have no idea how big the big producers are but like tens of thousands of rabbits maybe? | 10:12 |
| sheena | legit was my conern also | 10:13 |
| sheena | who will buy from random farm rabbit blood | 10:13 |
| sheena | but i could corner the market on free range humane raised rabbit blood | 10:13 |
| sheena | if there is such a thing | 10:13 |
| sheena | ethical rabbit serum? :) | 10:13 |
| yashgaroth | free range is undesirable since you don't want rabbits that encounter random normal infections | 10:14 |
| yashgaroth | the more horrifically caged the better tbh | 10:14 |
| sheena | yeah | 10:16 |
| sheena | thats an issue | 10:16 |
| sheena | im not interested in raising sterile rabbits | 10:16 |
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| ParahSailin | yeah they dont need to be sterile to make usable antisera | 10:23 |
| sheena | obviously | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | which accreditation | 10:35 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | why rabbits and not, say, chickens? | 10:50 |
| yashgaroth | chicken antibodies don't bind protein a/g which is the standard and by-far best method of purifying antibodies | 10:51 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | ah | 10:52 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | could they be engineered to do so? | 10:52 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | rather, would it be feasible to do so | 10:53 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | of course they *could* for sufficient quantities of money and time | 10:53 |
| yashgaroth | not worth the effort I'd guess | 10:55 |
| kanzure | and you would just use eggs anyway | 11:00 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | yeah, that was part of the question | 11:00 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | chickens produce more, but yashgaroth's answer makes sense | 11:01 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | little egg factories they are | 11:02 |
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| kanzure | "Black holes: attractors for intelligence?" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.4362.pdf | 12:19 |
| kanzure | one of the predictions here should be multiple stars being consumed by a black hole, right? | 12:24 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | who says the black hole would be large? | 12:32 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | you can get some serious power output from microscopic black holes | 12:33 |
| AmbulatoryCortex | as a bonus, you can make said microscopic black holes instead of needing to traverse lightyears | 12:34 |
| chris_99 | how does one make one? | 12:43 |
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| kanzure | ross ulbricht defense team is costing him at least $35k/day | 12:52 |
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| kanzure | cluckj: take a look starting at page 209 (and if you need context, i suppose reading page 203 wouldn't hurt) http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1648.pdf | 14:06 |
| kanzure | (this document is about a variation of lee smolin's cosmological natural selection called cosmological artificial selection) | 14:06 |
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| kanzure | "I fully support Shklovsky's dictum that every object must be assumed natural until proven otherwise." - Freeman Dyson in (Dyson et al. 1973, 189) | 14:08 |
| kanzure | "Extraterrestrial intelligence is the explanation of last resort, when all else fails." - Carl Sagan in (Dyson et al. 1973, 228) | 14:08 |
| kanzure | "I fully disagree with Shklovsky, Dyson and Sagan and hold that every strange phenomena must be assumed natural or artificial unless proven otherwise." - this dude | 14:08 |
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| kanzure | "We can think much more systematically about life-as-we-don't-know it. This was done by Robert A. Freitas Jr. who wrote Xenology (1979), the most comprehensive and systematic study of extraterrestrial life, intelligence and civilization I am aware of. This long volume covers a much broader scope than the classical –and also very good– book by Shklovskii and Sagan (1966). I consider it a rare scientific masterpiece. Most of the book ... | 14:20 |
| kanzure | ... was written in 1979, although Freitas is | 14:20 |
| kanzure | constantly updating it, and made it freely available on the web (www.xenology.info)." | 14:20 |
| kanzure | how the hell am i not aware of that? | 14:20 |
| kanzure | freitas is keeping stuff from me | 14:20 |
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| kanzure | http://www.xenology.info/Xeno.htm table of contents | 14:21 |
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| kanzure | huh it is listed on his home page | 14:36 |
| kanzure | welp.... | 14:36 |
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| eudoxia | kanzure: i'm pretty certain i remember you discovering that book a few years ago | 14:50 |
| eudoxia | or maybe that was fenn | 14:50 |
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| kanzure | "Are black hole starships possible" http://arxiv.org/pdf/0908.1803.pdf | 15:20 |
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| eudoxia | the paper is interesting, because they don't only show how you could use black holes to build relativistic probes, but relativistic probes with masses in the hundreds of thousands of tonnes | 15:39 |
| eudoxia | as opposed to Project Valkyrie that would mass next to nothing | 15:40 |
| eudoxia | s/Valkyrie/Valkyrie spacecraft | 15:40 |
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| balrog | kanzure: how do you use the document bot? | 15:57 |
| balrog | I forget | 15:57 |
| balrog | !paperbot http://scitation.aip.org/content/asa/journal/jasa/83/6/10.1121/1.396277 | 15:57 |
| balrog | hmm | 15:57 |
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| balrog | anyone? | 16:01 |
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| yashgaroth | paperbot's not here maaaan | 16:09 |
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| kanzure | "The main advantage of spacecraft navigation using X-ray sources is that small sized detectors can be employed (P. S. Ray, Wood, and Phlips 2006). This provides savings in power and mass for spacecraft operations. Another advantage of using X-ray sources is that they are widely distributed. The geometric dispersion of pulsars in the sky is important to enhance accuracy of threedimensional position estimation since the observability of ... | 16:38 |
| kanzure | ... the source is an important issue. An important complication that must be addressed in utilizing an X-ray source in a navigation system is the timing glitches in its rotation rates. Of X-ray pulsars, ones that are bright and have extremely stable and predictable rotation rates are suitable candidates for the purpose of navigation. These sources are usually older pulsars that have rotation periods on the order of several milliseconds." | 16:38 |
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| kanzure | today this guy got hit by a train and died https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQpNZy_Ti50&feature=youtu.be&t=8s | 17:11 |
| superkuh | Hah. | 17:11 |
| kanzure | yep.. | 17:13 |
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| balrog | yashgaroth: what happened to it? | 17:34 |
| kanzure | many bugs | 17:36 |
| kanzure | not enough tests | 17:36 |
| balrog | :/ | 17:41 |
| kanzure | balrog: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 17:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.coindesk.com/federal-reserve-bank-vp-protocol-just-like-bitcoin/ | 18:01 |
| kanzure | humor. | 18:02 |
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| kanzure | .title https://highenergyastrobiology.wordpress.com/scientific-proposals/ | 19:08 |
| yoleaux | Scientific Proposals | High Energy Astrobiology | 19:08 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=11237 | 19:22 |
| yoleaux | Toward an Interstellar Archaeology | 19:22 |
| kanzure | dyson sphere hunting | 19:22 |
| kanzure | "Temporal naturalism" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.8539.pdf | 19:46 |
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| kanzure | aren't pulsars are a little unreasonable? | 20:51 |
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| nmz787 | huh, this site/sudomain exists http://3dprint.nih.gov/discover/3dpx-000748 | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | .title | 21:41 |
| yoleaux | NK cell lytic synapse F-actin | NIH 3D Print Exchange | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | subdomain* | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | .title http://3dprint.nih.gov/discover/3dpx-000606 | 21:44 |
| yoleaux | Micromanipulator | NIH 3D Print Exchange | 21:44 |
| nmz787 | http://3dprint.nih.gov/sites/all/modules/pubdlcnt/pubdlcnt.php?file=http://3dprint.nih.gov/sites/default/files/models/classroom_supplementals/Manipulator%20assembly%20Instructions_0.pdf&nid=2556 | 21:44 |
| nmz787 | hmm, I guess it's just a 3 or 4 axis CNC basically | 21:45 |
| nmz787 | https://tombaden.wordpress.com/tinkering/ | 21:46 |
| sheena | local group is gonna try to put a cnc router together | 21:47 |
| sheena | this is exciting | 21:47 |
| nmz787 | http://trendinafrica.org/activities/open-source/open-source-main/ | 21:48 |
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