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| nmz787 | this is surprisingly helpful even though it's for canals: http://ocw.usu.edu/Biological_and_Irrigation_Engineering/Irrigation___Conveyance_Control_Systems/6300__L16_ChannelCrossSections.pdf | 02:31 |
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| kanzure | beeeeep | 06:28 |
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| kanzure | "People stop using Antivirus software because they believe it's making their computers autistic. You are an IT intern at the wake of disaster." | 06:51 |
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| delinquentme | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gphiFVVtUI #classy | 08:08 |
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| kanzure | .title | 08:09 |
| yoleaux | Estas Tonne - The Song of the Golden Dragon - Stadtspektakel Landshut 2011 - YouTube | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, it jumps between metal as fuck and dainty | 08:09 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I want to get shitloads of people on mechanical turk working on aging | 08:10 |
| kanzure | selective breeding for cryoresuscitation. aging can be fixed later. just store (revivable) bodies for now. | 08:22 |
| delinquentme | is this in response to the alcor freezing that kid ? | 08:23 |
| kanzure | i haven't heard | 08:23 |
| kanzure | my selective breeding idea came about because i was ranting on irc | 08:24 |
| kanzure | a few months ag | 08:24 |
| kanzure | *ago | 08:24 |
| kanzure | also out of sngs about dragons i guess i'll go with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgJ1heSrskY | 08:24 |
| kanzure | *songs | 08:24 |
| delinquentme | not through fire + flames?? | 08:25 |
| kanzure | that was only performed by a dragon | 08:25 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, opine: is there a GOOD reason to ever use parenthesis in the KEY of a kv store? | 08:28 |
| kanzure | the key is only "(" ?? | 08:29 |
| delinquentme | nah its interval_results_df['is_peak_pricing_event(post)'] | 08:30 |
| delinquentme | seems like a weird usage no? | 08:30 |
| kanzure | well, i can't think of anything bad about using parens there. key sharding should still work. | 08:31 |
| delinquentme | what is 'key sharding' ? | 08:32 |
| delinquentme | doesnt seem like it a bad practice in the instance where you'd be looping through a dict and evaluating the key ? | 08:33 |
| kanzure | also, whatever schema you pick, stick with it. lots of redis users stick with "." for separating fields or something. | 08:33 |
| kanzure | if you are always retrieving the same data and you are splitting up multiple data across keys then you should just stick the data in a single value instead of separate values | 08:33 |
| kanzure | key sharding is shit like http://redis.io/topics/partitioning | 08:33 |
| delinquentme | Ohhh ok redis. yeah this is simply a regular python dict ... now I get the sharding bit | 08:34 |
| kanzure | "Partitioning is the process of splitting your data into multiple Redis instances, so that every instance will only contain a subset of your keys. The first part of this document will introduce you to the concept of partitioning, the second part will show you the alternatives for Redis partitioning." | 08:34 |
| delinquentme | <Pantsu> {"(common)sense": None} | 08:37 |
| delinquentme | BAHAHAHAHA | 08:37 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, DBZ iz worth watching ?? | 08:40 |
| kanzure | if you were anyone else, i would say no, but for you it is like hype chow | 08:41 |
| kanzure | so go for it | 08:41 |
| delinquentme | HAHAHA | 08:42 |
| delinquentme | poor roomates. lolzing my ass off at not even 9 am | 08:42 |
| delinquentme | ' hype chow ' | 08:43 |
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| kanzure | not sure whether i should tell you to watch the v2 series | 08:46 |
| kanzure | (v2 is "remastered") | 08:47 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: hypety hype https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlHQ3aCLB-M | 08:56 |
| delinquentme | i just watched gokus transition to ss2 | 08:56 |
| kanzure | honestly i thought you had seen dbz because the only other explanation is that you operate entirely on sugar rushes | 08:56 |
| delinquentme | hahahahah | 08:57 |
| delinquentme | HA. | 08:57 |
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| delinquentme | Ive seen the first season maybe? and like a movie or two ? | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | but IDK this 5 minutes of screaming with minimal happenings | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | its like the opposite of what I like about eva | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | which is like grotesque transformations in a very timely fashion | 08:58 |
| kanzure | evangelion is like 20 hours of a boy complaining about how awful life is because he has a giant robot | 08:58 |
| kanzure | what a dipshit | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | this is like ... screaming and hairgrowth | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | HAHAHA | 08:58 |
| delinquentme | you saw the post I made for FB a while back about shinji hitting rock bottom right? | 08:59 |
| kanzure | nope | 08:59 |
| delinquentme | moaping around the ship not allowed to pilot and eva and wearing crocs | 08:59 |
| delinquentme | bahahaahhaa | 08:59 |
| kanzure | https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion | 08:59 |
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| delinquentme | HAHA ok so this makes me really happy | 09:04 |
| delinquentme | "Also the word "plot" doesn't mean anything in Japanese" | 09:04 |
| kanzure | there's also an excellent "abridged" version on youtube, although teamfourstar's videos may only make sense after seeing dbz actual | 09:04 |
| kanzure | like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo5Rhn8zuPA | 09:07 |
| delinquentme | christian imagery is probs why its resonant w me | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | but yeah its overly emo | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | except when its raging. | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | then #goreGasm | 09:08 |
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| kanzure | for gore there's stuff like metalocalypse | 09:31 |
| archels | cyberpunk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuHa_WffHWo | 09:33 |
| archels | (music) | 09:33 |
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| kanzure | strange channel | 09:55 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq3RWdHteSw | 09:55 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU0uTq6IhPM | 09:56 |
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| heath | fenn, delinquentme: yo | 10:38 |
| delinquentme | heath, ohio | 10:38 |
| heath | the next few hours are the best times to hang out | 10:38 |
| delinquentme | where be | 10:39 |
| heath | my friend kumar is coming to pick me up | 10:39 |
| heath | i'm in palo alto right now | 10:39 |
| heath | friend is in east bay | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | hMMMM | 10:39 |
| heath | not really sure what the plans are | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | Im in east bay . downtown oak | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | we can get boba if you want @ quickly | 10:39 |
| heath | hm, might try to make it up there then | 10:39 |
| delinquentme | yeah idk if shit is happening in palo alto | 10:40 |
| heath | delinquentme: he'll be picking me up at around 1:30 from this airbnb spot | 10:40 |
| heath | though i might just grab an uber ride to east bay | 10:41 |
| heath | PM time since this is off topic | 10:41 |
| pasky_ | http://timothy.hobbs.cz/wearable-computing/adventures.html | 10:43 |
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| kanzure | heath: also find fenn | 10:46 |
| delinquentme | fenn, doesnt come out and play | 10:47 |
| delinquentme | or at least i dont think so | 10:47 |
| delinquentme | it could just be my obnoxious loudness though | 10:47 |
| * heath messages fenn | 10:50 | |
| delinquentme | jecht shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2N4FKBXXSA | 10:55 |
| kanzure | .title | 10:55 |
| yoleaux | Jecht Shot - YouTube | 10:55 |
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| andytoshi | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/11941378_26 | 12:22 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3f5b1b33d808324d1a2086a1d509a776.txt | 12:23 |
| kanzure | .title http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/11941378_26 | 12:27 |
| yoleaux | Constant-Size ID-Based Linkable and Revocable-iff-Linked Ring Signature - Springer | 12:27 |
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| andytoshi | i got that paper using my academic access .. it was not so interesting | 12:48 |
| andytoshi | there is a trusted party who can extract everyone's private keys (and who is in charge of making private keys, so he can't even throw his secret data away) | 12:48 |
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| andytoshi | but (i think, i only skimmed it) even the keymaker cannot determine who made a signature, it is actually anonymous if you don't try to sign two messages | 12:51 |
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| kanzure | if lotteries/finance are how you detect time travelers, how would you detect ai? | 13:15 |
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| archels | dear ParaView, you am being buggy. yours truly, etc. | 13:43 |
| kanzure | try paraview2 | 13:43 |
| archels | they're up to 4.3.1 | 13:45 |
| archels | can't find anything on "paraview2" as a separate (forked?) entity | 13:46 |
| kanzure | whoops i am thinking of mayavi2 sorry | 13:47 |
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| kanzure | archels: suppose you had a magical neural tissue printer and life support device. your neurons don't die, and you can get reasonable data out of the device. there are both electrical inputs and outputs. also, you might be able to structure the network yourself, with different cell types. and there's blood and stuff. | 13:55 |
| kanzure | archels: what sort of ideal operation would you expect out of that sort of device (in terms of trainability) for what amount of neural matter, either short-term (next 5 years) or long-term (say 20 years of playing around with that piece of magic hardware) | 13:55 |
| kanzure | for example, do you think a culture of 10k or 100k neurons could be coerced into doing optical character recognition? | 13:56 |
| kanzure | and more specifically, do we have any evidence yet of neural tissue cultures (in vitro) doing optical character recognition (i know the answer is no, but substitute for an appropriately mundane task please)? | 13:57 |
| kanzure | on a related note, i believe i now have an actionable plan for either brain emulation or brain uploading or ai that does not involve "read all science papers ever, type up the data into an appropriate neural matter simulator". | 14:00 |
| archels | I'm all ears | 14:02 |
| archels | meh, there's excised retinae which do some expected things like edge detection | 14:02 |
| archels | people like Kevin Warwick are doing things like you described and making mobile robots avoid walls | 14:03 |
| kanzure | i know there's rat neural tissue culture thta has done silly balancing problems (like fighter pilot simulators) | 14:03 |
| kanzure | bbut i was hoping something more impressive has been achieved since that | 14:03 |
| archels | yeah, there's that as well | 14:03 |
| archels | not really, as we have no idea what we're doing | 14:03 |
| kanzure | maybe also no incentive for anyone to make rat neurons do OCR | 14:03 |
| archels | we're taking components out of a circuit of which we don't understand the function, putting them in a condition that is probably very unlike what they were built for, and most of the time not even wiring them up in any meaningful pattern | 14:04 |
| archels | there's some stuff going on with patterning of neurites, but I'm not sure yet I'm excited about that | 14:04 |
| kanzure | i have seen some evidence of synapse creation in petri dishes | 14:05 |
| archels | oh, you get synapse creation almost for free | 14:06 |
| archels | but the usefulness is a second thing | 14:06 |
| archels | I'm just not sure what we're trying to achieve with this line of research | 14:07 |
| kanzure | well, this is not how i happened to arrive at this idea, but consider the case of molecular nanotechnology and human brains | 14:09 |
| kanzure | the typical story there is that people want to replace chunks of their brain matter with electronic components | 14:09 |
| kanzure | usually neuron-by-neuron or something else insane because they are worried about "identity" (blah) | 14:09 |
| kanzure | theoretically that idea is to replace the single neuron with something equivalent in operation except not biological in origin | 14:09 |
| archels | right | 14:09 |
| kanzure | a similar trick can be done with neural tissue cultures, especially if the neural tissue cultures are separated from each other with electrode interfaces | 14:10 |
| kanzure | and then you can replace certain cultures with software that acts similarly, rather than software that acts similarly to an entire brain | 14:10 |
| kanzure | so you would be slowly converting from a "data center" of neural tissue cultures to a software implementation for most of the cultures. that is, if they are producing useful results. | 14:11 |
| archels | hmm, sure, if you had a large-enough battery of tests to convince the skeptics that the in vitro and in silico neural nets were functionally equivalent | 14:11 |
| kanzure | the advantage of such modularization is that it makes refactoring/reimplementation easier. i'm sure 100 neurons are orders of magnitude easier to model in software (either with virtual neurons, or not), than 100 billion neurons. | 14:11 |
| archels | assuming we're doing a simulation that goes down to that level of detail in the first place, sure | 14:12 |
| kanzure | you may not need functional-equivalence, although yes you would want at least some important tests to pass for the whole system perhaps (OCR maybe..) (of course, OCR itself is solvable without this massive operation) | 14:12 |
| archels | how can you tell one is as good as the other without those test though? | 14:13 |
| kanzure | yes i agree that testing is important | 14:13 |
| kanzure | you could also test software version against live version | 14:13 |
| nmz787 | watched some youtube documentary (maybe from discovery channel) on ivanoff's monkey-human hybridization experiments... it said a monkey head transplant was successful | 14:14 |
| kanzure | also, i haven't worked with neural tissue cultures before, but i'll assume they crash and die often. in which case, you should use training data against a replacement tissue culture prior to the original dying, so that when the original dies you could switch it out with a somewhat functionally equivalent culture. | 14:14 |
| nmz787 | can't find any info on it on scholar | 14:14 |
| archels | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=6309184 | 14:15 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FMAP.2012.6309184 | 14:15 |
| kanzure | .title http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=6309184 | 14:15 |
| yoleaux | IEEE Xplore Abstract - Using the FEniCS Package for FEM Solutions in Electromagnetics | 14:15 |
| nmz787 | anyone have any ideas on high-pin-count FPGAs or CPLDs or Microcontrollers for doing a neural culture grid/array thing? | 14:15 |
| archels | kanzure: yah, bit confused about that, although afaik if you put the effort in you can keep a culture alive virtually indefinitely | 14:15 |
| kanzure | that sounds unlikely | 14:15 |
| kanzure | biology is never that pleasant to work with | 14:15 |
| kanzure | also: you could do directed evolution techniques to select neurons that are more likely to survive in your shitty-engineered tissue culture device. | 14:16 |
| nmz787 | wouldn't you also need something like phagocytes to clean up old neurons ('garbage collector') | 14:16 |
| archels | hehe, yes | 14:16 |
| archels | nmz787: hopefully they don't die... but you'd probably need glial cells | 14:17 |
| kanzure | dead neural tissue can just be removed by physically removing the device from the data center | 14:17 |
| kanzure | (and prolly reusing it... i'm cheap.) | 14:18 |
| nmz787 | archels: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Using_the_FEniCS_Package_for_FEM_Solutions_in_Electromagnetics.pdf | 14:18 |
| nmz787 | archels: have you seen the video on palabos (presented at NASA)? | 14:18 |
| kanzure | archels: one argument you could bring against this plan is that i wouldn't know how to initially connect the different cultures | 14:18 |
| archels | cheers, I was almost out of memory but bit the bullet and closed my VM to fire up Firefox with a SOCKS proxy in the end ;) | 14:19 |
| archels | nmz787: nope, not familiar with that term | 14:19 |
| nmz787 | for doing simulatios | 14:19 |
| archels | Lattice Boltzmann Method? | 14:20 |
| nmz787 | yea | 14:21 |
| nmz787 | open but they sell support... idk if they limit cool stuff to the paid-services only or not | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | http://fenicsproject.org/documentation/dolfin/1.0.1/python/demo/pde/navier-stokes/python/documentation.html | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/CAD_to_FEniCS_example | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | https://cfdandheattransfer.wordpress.com/category/cfd-softwares/ | 14:22 |
| nmz787 | some links i've been saving | 14:23 |
| archels | yah we're using FEniCS to study local field potentials right now | 14:23 |
| archels | was just looking into how to do open boundary conditions properly | 14:23 |
| kanzure | another plausible objection is that while i might be able to come up with the initial connectivity for something like rat-brain-OCR there's no way that is anywhere similar to human cognitive ability | 14:23 |
| archels | kanzure: hmm, actually, perhaps you could go for a comparison on the spike timing level | 14:25 |
| archels | i.e. have the software model predict the occurrence of every spike within some finite, but low, tolerance | 14:26 |
| kanzure | i'm sure there are many ways to model small neuron populations, including non-neural models | 14:26 |
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| kanzure | initial connectivity could be determined by looking at other mammal brains i guess | 14:31 |
| kanzure | and just using something with roughly similar proportions (but random?) and hope that existing mammal brains aren't entirely based on extremely rare connections to make everything work :-) | 14:32 |
| kanzure | (rare as in, things you would miss when choosing initial connectivity) | 14:32 |
| kanzure | one major downside with this plan is that it is extremely capital intensive | 14:34 |
| archels | well, that assumes that we have the capability to pattern cultures just like actual brains | 14:36 |
| archels | I thought your premiss was to just let the culture do whatever, and then replicate that whatever by a computer simulation | 14:36 |
| archels | to make the requirements a bit less steep initially | 14:36 |
| * nmz787 even shiva did a head transplant, it's written in the holy books | 14:37 | |
| kanzure | archels: yes that's right, but you're not going to culture an entire brain in one dish or whatever. also, that would be too hard to replicate by computer simulation. | 14:56 |
| kanzure | perhaps the connectivity problem isn't a huge deal, and there could be some protocol for letting the devices wire themselves up automagically | 14:58 |
| kanzure | (e.g., 1024 sampling electrodes as the "output" from one device, and then let the device pick (somehow) another culture to send the data to as stimlation) | 14:58 |
| kanzure | *stimulation | 14:58 |
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| archels | I'm sure we can figure out connectivity relatively easily using the right optics | 15:00 |
| archels | (can we move on from electrodes to optics please) | 15:00 |
| archels | =) | 15:00 |
| archels | admittedly a two-photon microscope, if that's what it takes, can be rather expensive | 15:01 |
| kanzure | why would that be easier with optics? | 15:01 |
| kanzure | "At Packetzoom we're building up a networking protocol specifically designed for mobile networks. We've discarded the TCP/HTTP stack completely and started from scratch. The idea was to go back to the drawing board (to the lowest level possible) and ask this question: How would network protocols on mobile work if they were being designed from scratch today?. (We're out in production with private beta customers.)" | 15:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.pneubotics.com/ "Pneubotics are constructed entirely out of compliant skins and inflated to create structure and movement. This unique fluid-filled design enables the production of compliant, human safe arms that rival existing technologies in lifting capacity at 1/10th the weight and price" | 15:02 |
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| kanzure | haha, spreadsheet2text http://www.narrativescience.com/ | 15:04 |
| archels | because you could stimulate each neuron in turn and visualise the EPSPs it produced in every other neuron | 15:05 |
| kanzure | agriculture canopy height distribution stuff http://www.bluerivert.com/ | 15:05 |
| archels | electrodes are so crude in comparison | 15:05 |
| kanzure | alright | 15:06 |
| kanzure | fair enough | 15:07 |
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| archels | yeah probably *really* bloody expensive | 15:12 |
| kanzure | well the whole strategy is very expensive anyway :-) | 15:12 |
| archels | I recall now one of our postdocs lamenting spending on the order of $10k on a single lens | 15:12 |
| archels | aye | 15:12 |
| kanzure | "yes first we are going to need a data center of neural tissue culture devices" | 15:12 |
| kanzure | "um....." | 15:12 |
| kanzure | "also we have to invent the neural tissue culture device first" | 15:12 |
| kanzure | "uh... how about $2 billion?" | 15:13 |
| archels | haha | 15:21 |
| archels | heck, maybe you'll find the Chinese government willing | 15:21 |
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| kanzure | one of the easier uses of this system would be something like visual object recognition | 15:23 |
| kanzure | except that computer vision research is already pretty well along | 15:23 |
| kanzure | kinda unfortunate | 15:23 |
| archels | you could always say something about power efficiency, or something | 15:24 |
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| delinquentme | kanzuragi do we have access to anyone whos got substantial experience w hamilton robotics? | 15:54 |
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| kanzure | the last person to mention hamilton robotics was | 15:59 |
| kanzure | oh it was you | 15:59 |
| kanzure | (2011-09-16) | 15:59 |
| delinquentme | =/////////// | 16:02 |
| delinquentme | kanz we need more ppl | 16:02 |
| delinquentme | this maeks carl sad | 16:02 |
| kanzure | we have some new people lately | 16:03 |
| kanzure | just not people that know hamilton robotics | 16:03 |
| delinquentme | >________________________________< | 16:04 |
| delinquentme | http://www.indeed.com/salary/Hamilton-Robotics.html | 16:04 |
| kanzure | heath: you should also find maaku | 16:04 |
| kanzure | heath: maaku is in san jose | 16:04 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | PAGING | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | DU COME IN | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | we lost nmz787 to RL | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: sup | 16:15 |
| * nmz787 just filed taxes | 16:15 | |
| kanzure | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-21/hedge-funds-exploit-patent-laws-push-down-biotechs | 16:18 |
| kanzure | (i haven't double checked this) "Takeda Pharmaceuticals bought URL Pharma in June 2013 for $800 million just to get URL's patented version of colchinine. The FDA gave URL a three year exclusive patent on colchinine in 2010, after URL did a one week drug trial costing it under $50,000. So colchinine, a drug in use for almost 2,000 years to treat gout, in Roman times before 100 A.D, was given carte blanche by the FDA to URL Pharma, ... | 16:19 |
| kanzure | ... thanks to the FDA's strange interpretation of the Hatch/Waxman amendment. The price of colchinine pills to consumers went from 5 cents a pill for the generic versions available in 2009 to $5.00 a pill for Colcrys - a hundredfold increase" | 16:19 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, hamilton robotics tip liquid interface sensing is done by back pressure analysis | 16:20 |
| * delinquentme doing reesearch | 16:21 | |
| delinquentme | though this *HAS* to change with the viscosity of the liquid .... | 16:21 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: so like, with a given 'suction' pulse, how quickly does the pressure equalize? | 16:22 |
| nmz787 | like vacuum bleed-down time | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | Im not sure if its positive or negative | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | but they've got a mechanism for also filtering out bubbles @ the air/water interface | 16:24 |
| nmz787 | piezo vibration? | 16:25 |
| delinquentme | "A source of compressed air slowly pushes air through a length of tubing past a very sensitive pressure transducer and through a sample collecting pipette tip. As the surface of the liquid sample is closely approached and contacted a slight back-pressure is developed in the pipette tip and the tubing, which minute variations are sensed by the pressure transducer " | 16:25 |
| delinquentme | https://www.google.com/patents/EP0341438A2?cl=en&dq=hamilton+pipette+sensing&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fPwNVb-NK4mPyATX8oDYDQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ | 16:25 |
| delinquentme | positive pressure | 16:25 |
| nmz787 | k, so it senses the surface tension snapping the fluid to the tip it seems | 16:26 |
| delinquentme | ... still though high viscosity bubbles I could see being similarly responsive as lower viscosity liquids | 16:26 |
| nmz787 | same same but different | 16:26 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, right, and that 'snapping' creates slight back pressure | 16:27 |
| delinquentme | triggering the interface | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | so if you had wildly ranging viscosities, i wonder if the sensors have enough dynamic range | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | archels: so you're using fenics now? anything open, blogposts, etc? | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, im also trying to figure out if one of the inputs is to classify the substance being pipetted | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | i was just reading a paper yesterday on deformation analysis of cells, but they had to use insane FPS per second for the video stream of the cells as they went from a large channel to a much smaller microchannel | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | so I wonder if you could differentiate fluids, but would need incredibly high sample rate on the transducer | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | surely lots of fluids behave similarly on the average | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | so to differentiate seems you'd need more details, to watch more closely | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | or combine data streams | 16:33 |
| nmz787 | maybe add some voltammetry or impedance -ometry to the tip and sample/fluid chamber | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | spectroscopy, etc | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | heat/thermal capacity | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | (like a mass air flow sensor in a car maybe) | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | or a fizeau interferometer type setup for flow rate and spectral sampling | 16:34 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, whos work on cell deformation ? | 16:39 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v12/n3/full/nmeth.3281.html | 16:52 |
| nmz787 | i get the print editions, heh, like 2 or 3 copies | 16:52 |
| delinquentme | heh. yeah otto | 16:52 |
| delinquentme | talked w a company whos using his tech in a novel machine | 16:53 |
| nmz787 | laterz | 16:59 |
| kanzure | .title | 17:05 |
| yoleaux | Real-time deformability cytometry: on-the-fly cell mechanical phenotyping : Nature Methods : Nature Publishing Group | 17:05 |
| delinquentme | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN79_hBf7Sg&t=5m | 17:06 |
| delinquentme | brilliantly simple method for handling exit stashing of plates | 17:06 |
| delinquentme | upwardly sloping brush tips | 17:06 |
| kanzure | .title | 17:06 |
| yoleaux | Hamilton ELISA STAR - YouTube | 17:06 |
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| kanzure | unexpected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming#Example | 17:31 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivJZljEostE | 17:33 |
| yoleaux | 夢の浮世に咲いてみな／ももいろクローバーZ vs KISS（YUMENO UKIYONI SAITEMINA／MOMOIRO CLOVER Z vs KISS） - YouTube | 17:33 |
| kanzure | ^jweirdness | 17:34 |
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| kanzure | narwh4l: welcome back | 18:58 |
| narwh4l | :) hey kanzure | 18:58 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 19:02 |
| narwh4l | kanzure got something I'm excited about but don't want to talk about just yet | 19:04 |
| narwh4l | has to do with being 1337 | 19:04 |
| narwh4l | kanzure the make magazine deal fell through so I'm no longer doing distributed computing over btc | 19:05 |
| narwh4l | fucking radioshack | 19:05 |
| kanzure | radioshack bought make? | 19:06 |
| narwh4l | it's complicated...radioshack funded a lot of make | 19:06 |
| narwh4l | but they are going out of business | 19:06 |
| kanzure | i thought make magazine was funded entirely by tim o'reilly | 19:06 |
| narwh4l | haha | 19:06 |
| narwh4l | no definitely ont | 19:06 |
| narwh4l | not | 19:07 |
| kanzure | knowing this would have made me hate make magazine less | 19:07 |
| kanzure | also, here are some thoughts about how to achieve human-level brain emulation software http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-03-21.log (around 13:55 and onward) | 19:07 |
| narwh4l | IMO, neural networks are heavily overrated | 19:11 |
| narwh4l | I know bio neurons != simulated | 19:11 |
| narwh4l | but I still think that is the case | 19:11 |
| kanzure | right now biological brains are the only things that are doing really interesting things | 19:12 |
| narwh4l | define interesting | 19:12 |
| kanzure | and we don't have any evidence that any other strategy works | 19:12 |
| kanzure | human-level general cognitive ability = interesting | 19:12 |
| narwh4l | What is that? Symbolic computation? | 19:13 |
| kanzure | probably not | 19:13 |
| kanzure | symbolic computation has been implemented in software before and it's boring | 19:13 |
| kanzure | i mean, it doesn't do anything really human-like | 19:13 |
| narwh4l | I'm struggling to find what humans do that is special | 19:14 |
| kanzure | depends on what you mean by special | 19:14 |
| narwh4l | language is not special, manipulating symbols is not special, learning new techniques is not special | 19:14 |
| kanzure | if by special you mean ineffable, then nothing | 19:14 |
| narwh4l | masturbating is definitely not special | 19:14 |
| narwh4l | sorry haha | 19:15 |
| narwh4l | I just think 'human level' intelligence is boring to me | 19:15 |
| kanzure | so far nobody knows how to implement that in software | 19:16 |
| kanzure | so the text in that log contains a plan for software implementation | 19:16 |
| narwh4l | so you're saying watch the spikes and model it? | 19:20 |
| kanzure | not quite | 19:20 |
| kanzure | by using multiple separate tissue cultures, you can easily switch out tissue cultures with software implementations of equivalent functionality (and not necessarily a neural network btw) | 19:20 |
| kanzure | to the devices providing stimulation, the signals coming over the network are the same whether the signal was from some neurons in another device or from some software | 19:21 |
| kanzure | and then you begin replacing each of these tissue cultures with software instead, eventually you will have a completely software system | 19:21 |
| kanzure | (and that software might look very strange- i don't see any reason that it would /require/ neural network software, it may end up being a pile of very mundane components) | 19:22 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, do you do the guitar thing? | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | like do you nard out over crazy arpeggios ? | 19:42 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: i used to play, i suppose.. | 19:57 |
| delinquentme | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA05WkIyKpk | 20:03 |
| delinquentme | somewhere past the 3min mark | 20:03 |
| delinquentme | he goes arp NUTS | 20:03 |
| delinquentme | also I just realized something kanzure | 20:04 |
| delinquentme | if you can sleep 6 hours a night consistently | 20:04 |
| delinquentme | you've got 126 working hours a week | 20:04 |
| delinquentme | if all of those were billable ... I'd be making 700k | 20:04 |
| delinquentme | per year | 20:04 |
| delinquentme | 12k / week | 20:04 |
| delinquentme | nearly 50 grand a week. | 20:05 |
| delinquentme | make that 2:30s on the vid kanz | 20:07 |
| cluckj | sweet, got my glucose monitor to display on my pebble | 20:07 |
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| kanzure | on today's episode of irc, delinquentme learns basic math? | 20:14 |
| kanzure | cluckj: this is using your bluetooth snoopery? | 20:16 |
| cluckj | nah, someone else did all the work, I just compiled the repo | 20:21 |
| kanzure | that's not optimal thesis-writing procrastination | 20:25 |
| cluckj | hah | 20:27 |
| cluckj | it's not procrastination when I've got scheduled writing time 4 days a week | 20:27 |
| cluckj | the watch face for the pebble is a little bit wonky so I guess I could waste some time fixing it | 20:29 |
| cluckj | it's in C, which I can understand! | 20:29 |
| kanzure | "Many programmers like to listen to techno while coding and one of the ways to get them interested in aging research is to compose several tracks that may help for narcolepsy and mention aging at the same time. To get a few of these tunes I started a DJ competition on www.AgingKills.org and produced a first sample track together with a brilliant young DJ from Hungary called "Aging is a Terminal Disease": " | 20:48 |
| kanzure | https://soundcloud.com/biogerontology/nayour-zhavoronkov-aging-is-a-terminal-disease-lab-mix | 20:48 |
| kanzure | http://agingkills.org/ | 20:49 |
| kanzure | "This track is a result of collaboration of Nayour and Dr. Zhavoronkov and will be presented by Insilico Medicine at the NVIDIA GTC Conference in San Jose. This track will also set an example for our upcoming "Rebel against aging!" DJ competition." | 20:51 |
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