2015-03-30.log

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kanzureyou guys are boring06:07
archelsfeed us stimulants06:12
kanzure.title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=928540706:14
yoleauxV8worker – Minimal Go binding to V8 | Hacker News06:14
kanzure.title http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=45006:18
yoleauxLightning Networks Part I: Revocable Transactions - Rusty Russell's Coding Blog06:18
kanzure"Cryptographic backdooring" https://131002.net/syscan.pdf06:19
kanzure"Breakthrough silicon scanning discovers backdoor in military chip" https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/ches2012-backdoor.pdf06:20
kanzure"Malicious SHA-1" https://malicioussha1.github.io/06:25
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justanotheruserIf you're gonna post on hackernews you should make sure your website can handle the load06:55
chris_99nmz787, you looked at NIR spectroscopy at all, i just found http://www.hamamatsu.com/us/en/community/optical_sensors/integrated_devices/index.html#ftir07:06
yoleaux05:20Z <nmz787> chris_99: congrats man! http://hackaday.com/2015/03/29/measuring-alcohol-content-with-time-of-flight-sensors/07:06
yoleaux05:23Z <nmz787> chris_99: this seems like the best/most-constructive comment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillating_U-tube07:06
chris_99oh yeah nmz787 i've looked at u-tubes, they're not cheap07:06
chris_99or easy to find07:06
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heathhttp://scienceforthemasses.org/08:09
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archelspaperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2691725/pdf/nihms112615.pdf09:26
paperbothttp://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.neuron.2009.03.02809:27
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paperlookerpaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/03/18/science.aaa5945.abstract09:56
paperbothttp://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.aaa594509:56
paperlookerpaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6228/1300.full.pdf09:57
paperlookerpaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6228/1300.full.pdf09:57
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paperthiefpaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6228/1300.full.pdf09:58
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kanzureyou're only a thief if you steal09:59
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paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cbb95822e7192521ef81c045d49d4285.pdf10:01
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7ae4112d4d8eed62d53aeaeb8ec6a763.pdf10:01
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a2ae237f516644b3f7704c3fe9a8dcd6.pdf10:01
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papercomradepaperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/03/18/science.aaa5945.full.pdf10:05
papercomrade...10:10
kanzurehe is thinking10:10
papercomradeslow thinking, not a hasty fellow10:12
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heaththe science for the masses link is the group that was experimenting with night vision eye drops11:04
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chris_99i guess you guys have seen http://www.oreilly.com/biocoder/ just looking at the HV power supply article12:27
kanzure.title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=929151712:34
yoleauxFeds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum | Hacker News12:34
kanzurehttp://www.wired.com/2015/03/dhs-reddit-dark-web-drug-forum/12:36
kanzure.title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=929101512:39
yoleauxHypothesis 1.0: A property-based testing library for Python | Hacker News12:39
kanzure.title http://lists.idyll.org/pipermail/testing-in-python/2015-March/006348.html12:39
yoleaux[TIP] Hypothesis 1.0: A production quality property-based testing library for Python12:39
kanzurehttp://hypothesis.readthedocs.org/en/latest/quickstart.html12:40
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kanzuregene_hacker: someone should do nanotech things with the subset of protein folding that happens to be predictable (e.g., strike out the useless unpredictable amino acids)13:18
chris_99nmz787, are you about per chance?13:37
kanzureprolly not13:38
chris_99ah just wanted to badger him about his spectrometer heh13:38
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nmz787_ihi chris_9914:51
chris_99hey, nmz787_i i saw your message about the oscillating u-tube thing btw, i have looked into them, but they're not cheap14:53
chris_99also i was wondering about the spectrometer you got, does it go to 1100nm or something14:53
nmz787_iI think it would be sensitive up there... silicon likes NIR14:55
nmz787_iu-tube seems like something you might be able to DIY14:55
chris_99well i just found a very interesting article, one sec14:55
nmz787_ipiezo buzzing on one side, piezo that is not buzzing but hooked to an ADC on the other side?14:55
chris_99http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jamc/2012/728128/14:55
paperbothttp://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1155%2F2012%2F72812814:55
nmz787_iapparently the response drops off a lot at 1000 and is almost nil at 1100... that might be artificially limited (some filter) but is probably not terribly easy to undo http://www.spectronicdevices.com/pdf/TCD1304AP.pdf14:56
chris_99they're saying theres a key point @ 900nm14:57
chris_99i'm still not sure how you actually convert to volume of ethanol from the spectroscopy reading though14:57
nmz787_iah, yeah they use a similar chip ILX51114:57
chris_99cool14:57
chris_99would it just be a case of calibrating the spectrometer with known references of ABV, and then converting the amplitude at that peak into a result14:59
chris_99do you reckon14:59
nmz787_i"The LED-enhanced light source was designed by assembling a tungsten lamp with two narrow-band LEDs centered at the wavelengths of 920 nm and 1020 nm. During operation the control electronics drive the tungsten lamp and the LEDs independently to enhance the long-wavelength intensity."14:59
nmz787_iyeah most likely... bear-lambert law relates absorbance to concentration15:00
chris_99ah i'll check that out then15:00
nmz787_iyou'd want a calibration curve, just like you did with the ToF meter15:00
chris_99mmm yeah15:01
nmz787_iso multiple known concentrations of alcohol15:01
chris_99in the papers i'd seen before they'd used longer wavelengths, which required InGaAs15:01
chris_99sensors15:01
chris_99but this one would mean i could use a really cheap one15:01
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nmz787_iif the sample is really complex and lots of other junk is interfering with your interesting wavelengths, then you need to move to a technique like standard addition... where you get some of the sample, take a reading, then add some pure 'spike' (alcohol in your case) then take a reading, add a spike, take a reading... that way you can cancel out the noise15:02
nmz787_ibecause the spikes are assumed to be pure, so the interfering agents remain constant15:02
nmz787_ithen once you add a few spikes, you plot them, and find the point at which the plot-line intersects Y=015:03
chris_99ah that's interesting15:03
nmz787_iyou can most likely get a LED that is 1100nm15:04
nmz787_ior a laser15:04
nmz787_ifor cheap, used in communication industry15:04
nmz787_iheck, have you tried a headspace breathalyzer?15:05
chris_99i looked into using a breathlyzer15:05
chris_99chip15:05
chris_99one sec i spoke to a company15:05
chris_99about this15:05
chris_99http://www.dart-sensors.com/product-category/sensors/alcohol-sensors/15:08
chris_99they were very helpful, but i never got round to getting one alas, i should get one to play with15:09
streetyis that oscillating u-tube for measuring density?15:10
chris_99yeah15:10
streetyI've been meaning to play around with piezo sensors15:10
nmz787_iany alcohol sensor should be comparable if they're electrochemical, I thikn15:10
nmz787_ithey're just fuel-cells15:11
nmz787_itake the alcohol and convert to electrons and CO2 and water15:11
chris_99they told me how to do it, i asked if i could use ultrasound15:11
chris_99to vapourise it, but i think they said it's not necessary in this case, because theres so much alcohol15:11
nmz787_iyeah that's the 'headspace'15:12
chris_99ah right theres a few things15:12
chris_99they said to do15:12
chris_99cool it down to like 5C15:12
chris_99use a big sensor, and small sample vol15:12
nmz787_iI would recommend keeping the temp and gas exchange as constant as possible15:12
chris_99mmm15:13
nmz787_iany temp changes will change the solubility of the alcohol in the gas15:13
nmz787_iwhich could upset having nice trendlines15:13
chris_99since they're cheap i may order one15:13
chris_99ah15:14
chris_99yeah15:14
chris_99do you have your 'blue' spectrometer?15:15
nmz787_iyeah at home15:15
nmz787_ididn't touch it this weekend15:15
chris_99aha, did you get the 1100nm or something grating15:15
chris_99or the smaller one15:15
nmz787_iit has a serial port and now I want to get my rs232 sniffer working15:15
nmz787_ii got the largest range grating15:15
nmz787_ii believe it has the ILX (Sony) sensor in it15:15
chris_99neat! could you possibly try measuring some alcohol at some point, as i'd be very curious to see the results15:16
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nmz787_iyeah, 365 - 1100 nm... resolution: 3 nm15:16
chris_99yeah that's the one15:16
nmz787_isure, I can take some measurements15:17
chris_99cheers, that'd be awesome15:17
nmz787_iI don't know that I've been to a liquor store here in this state yet15:20
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chris_99heh15:20
chris_99heh check this - http://www.dart-sensors.com/product/dry-alcohol-standard-das/15:27
chris_99dry alcohol from what i can understand15:28
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nshlolwrong16:28
nsh*smh*16:28
nmz787_ianyone here use gEDA?16:28
nmz787_iI wonder how it compares to kicad... personally from the experience I've had with a few kicad bugs, I wonder if gEDA is more stable16:29
nmz787_ialso kicad uses environment variables, and I don't really like that.16:30
gene_hackerwhy bother with proteins when we have a synthesis machine?16:36
gene_hacker@ kanzure16:36
gene_hackerthere's quite a bit we could do with supramolecular chemistry16:40
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kanzuregene_hacker: elaborate17:02
gene_hackerif we have a synthesis machine making crazy stuff like this: http://pubs.rsc.org/services/images/RSCpubs.ePlatform.Service.FreeContent.ImageService.svc/ImageService/Articleimage/2014/CS/c4cs00029c/c4cs00029c-f17_hi-res.gif17:05
gene_hackerbecomes a lot easier17:06
gene_hackerhttp://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6227/1190.full17:06
paperbothttp://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.347.6227.119017:07
kanzurethat does not seem to be a protein17:08
kanzurehmm17:09
kanzureyeah, we should definitely be doing more chemistry things17:10
cluckjit appears to be an article not a protein17:26
kanzurethe gif?17:27
cluckjthis is a computer screen not a protein17:28
cluckjyou can't fool me17:28
kanzurelook closer (jedi mind trick)17:29
cluckjthis is the protein I was looking for17:30
nmz787_ianyone ever hear of offbrand uses for lasik?17:32
nmz787_ii want to know if they could do lasik on my eardrum surface (to remove scar tissue which I believe reduces the frequency response of it)17:32
nmz787_i(though i had a graft on my inner ear side of the drum, so that could be the source of dampening, which lasik wouldn't be able to get at from outside the ear)17:42
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cluckjwe need to go all Fantastic Voyage into your ear, dude17:53
cluckjor maybe Innerspace17:53
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nmz787_i"That single bond acts like a train hitch capable of linking boxcars together in any desired order"   because train-cars or tanker-cars don't fit the analogy17:59
nmz787_ithat quote is totally going to end up screwing some student on a test17:59
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CaptHindsighthttp://shop.agic.cc/collections/everything/products/agic-circuit-printer-starter-set18:20
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fennhow do you connect components to a paper circuit board?18:32
fennlooks like they had to tape the batteries on, and maybe the LEDs too http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0468/4749/products/LED_battery_set_sample.JPG18:35
fennthe resistance must be pretty high for that circuit to work18:36
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CaptHindsightfenn: not sure with their ink19:33
CaptHindsightsolder paste, conductive adhesive or ultrasonic bonding19:35
CaptHindsightthere are also synthetic papers that handle the temps of solder paste19:36
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