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kanzure | you guys are boring | 06:07 |
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archels | feed us stimulants | 06:12 |
kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9285407 | 06:14 |
yoleaux | V8worker – Minimal Go binding to V8 | Hacker News | 06:14 |
kanzure | .title http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=450 | 06:18 |
yoleaux | Lightning Networks Part I: Revocable Transactions - Rusty Russell's Coding Blog | 06:18 |
kanzure | "Cryptographic backdooring" https://131002.net/syscan.pdf | 06:19 |
kanzure | "Breakthrough silicon scanning discovers backdoor in military chip" https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/ches2012-backdoor.pdf | 06:20 |
kanzure | "Malicious SHA-1" https://malicioussha1.github.io/ | 06:25 |
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justanotheruser | If you're gonna post on hackernews you should make sure your website can handle the load | 06:55 |
chris_99 | nmz787, you looked at NIR spectroscopy at all, i just found http://www.hamamatsu.com/us/en/community/optical_sensors/integrated_devices/index.html#ftir | 07:06 |
yoleaux | 05:20Z <nmz787> chris_99: congrats man! http://hackaday.com/2015/03/29/measuring-alcohol-content-with-time-of-flight-sensors/ | 07:06 |
yoleaux | 05:23Z <nmz787> chris_99: this seems like the best/most-constructive comment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillating_U-tube | 07:06 |
chris_99 | oh yeah nmz787 i've looked at u-tubes, they're not cheap | 07:06 |
chris_99 | or easy to find | 07:06 |
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heath | http://scienceforthemasses.org/ | 08:09 |
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archels | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2691725/pdf/nihms112615.pdf | 09:26 |
paperbot | http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.neuron.2009.03.028 | 09:27 |
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paperlooker | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/03/18/science.aaa5945.abstract | 09:56 |
paperbot | http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.aaa5945 | 09:56 |
paperlooker | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6228/1300.full.pdf | 09:57 |
paperlooker | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6228/1300.full.pdf | 09:57 |
paperlooker | :( | 09:58 |
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paperthief | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6228/1300.full.pdf | 09:58 |
paperthief | -_- | 09:58 |
kanzure | you're only a thief if you steal | 09:59 |
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paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cbb95822e7192521ef81c045d49d4285.pdf | 10:01 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7ae4112d4d8eed62d53aeaeb8ec6a763.pdf | 10:01 |
paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a2ae237f516644b3f7704c3fe9a8dcd6.pdf | 10:01 |
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papercomrade | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/03/18/science.aaa5945.full.pdf | 10:05 |
papercomrade | ... | 10:10 |
kanzure | he is thinking | 10:10 |
papercomrade | slow thinking, not a hasty fellow | 10:12 |
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heath | the science for the masses link is the group that was experimenting with night vision eye drops | 11:04 |
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chris_99 | i guess you guys have seen http://www.oreilly.com/biocoder/ just looking at the HV power supply article | 12:27 |
kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9291517 | 12:34 |
yoleaux | Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum | Hacker News | 12:34 |
kanzure | http://www.wired.com/2015/03/dhs-reddit-dark-web-drug-forum/ | 12:36 |
kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9291015 | 12:39 |
yoleaux | Hypothesis 1.0: A property-based testing library for Python | Hacker News | 12:39 |
kanzure | .title http://lists.idyll.org/pipermail/testing-in-python/2015-March/006348.html | 12:39 |
yoleaux | [TIP] Hypothesis 1.0: A production quality property-based testing library for Python | 12:39 |
kanzure | http://hypothesis.readthedocs.org/en/latest/quickstart.html | 12:40 |
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kanzure | gene_hacker: someone should do nanotech things with the subset of protein folding that happens to be predictable (e.g., strike out the useless unpredictable amino acids) | 13:18 |
chris_99 | nmz787, are you about per chance? | 13:37 |
kanzure | prolly not | 13:38 |
chris_99 | ah just wanted to badger him about his spectrometer heh | 13:38 |
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nmz787_i | hi chris_99 | 14:51 |
chris_99 | hey, nmz787_i i saw your message about the oscillating u-tube thing btw, i have looked into them, but they're not cheap | 14:53 |
chris_99 | also i was wondering about the spectrometer you got, does it go to 1100nm or something | 14:53 |
nmz787_i | I think it would be sensitive up there... silicon likes NIR | 14:55 |
nmz787_i | u-tube seems like something you might be able to DIY | 14:55 |
chris_99 | well i just found a very interesting article, one sec | 14:55 |
nmz787_i | piezo buzzing on one side, piezo that is not buzzing but hooked to an ADC on the other side? | 14:55 |
chris_99 | http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jamc/2012/728128/ | 14:55 |
paperbot | http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1155%2F2012%2F728128 | 14:55 |
nmz787_i | apparently the response drops off a lot at 1000 and is almost nil at 1100... that might be artificially limited (some filter) but is probably not terribly easy to undo http://www.spectronicdevices.com/pdf/TCD1304AP.pdf | 14:56 |
chris_99 | they're saying theres a key point @ 900nm | 14:57 |
chris_99 | i'm still not sure how you actually convert to volume of ethanol from the spectroscopy reading though | 14:57 |
nmz787_i | ah, yeah they use a similar chip ILX511 | 14:57 |
chris_99 | cool | 14:57 |
chris_99 | would it just be a case of calibrating the spectrometer with known references of ABV, and then converting the amplitude at that peak into a result | 14:59 |
chris_99 | do you reckon | 14:59 |
nmz787_i | "The LED-enhanced light source was designed by assembling a tungsten lamp with two narrow-band LEDs centered at the wavelengths of 920 nm and 1020 nm. During operation the control electronics drive the tungsten lamp and the LEDs independently to enhance the long-wavelength intensity." | 14:59 |
nmz787_i | yeah most likely... bear-lambert law relates absorbance to concentration | 15:00 |
chris_99 | ah i'll check that out then | 15:00 |
nmz787_i | you'd want a calibration curve, just like you did with the ToF meter | 15:00 |
chris_99 | mmm yeah | 15:01 |
nmz787_i | so multiple known concentrations of alcohol | 15:01 |
chris_99 | in the papers i'd seen before they'd used longer wavelengths, which required InGaAs | 15:01 |
chris_99 | sensors | 15:01 |
chris_99 | but this one would mean i could use a really cheap one | 15:01 |
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nmz787_i | if the sample is really complex and lots of other junk is interfering with your interesting wavelengths, then you need to move to a technique like standard addition... where you get some of the sample, take a reading, then add some pure 'spike' (alcohol in your case) then take a reading, add a spike, take a reading... that way you can cancel out the noise | 15:02 |
nmz787_i | because the spikes are assumed to be pure, so the interfering agents remain constant | 15:02 |
nmz787_i | then once you add a few spikes, you plot them, and find the point at which the plot-line intersects Y=0 | 15:03 |
chris_99 | ah that's interesting | 15:03 |
nmz787_i | you can most likely get a LED that is 1100nm | 15:04 |
nmz787_i | or a laser | 15:04 |
nmz787_i | for cheap, used in communication industry | 15:04 |
nmz787_i | heck, have you tried a headspace breathalyzer? | 15:05 |
chris_99 | i looked into using a breathlyzer | 15:05 |
chris_99 | chip | 15:05 |
chris_99 | one sec i spoke to a company | 15:05 |
chris_99 | about this | 15:05 |
chris_99 | http://www.dart-sensors.com/product-category/sensors/alcohol-sensors/ | 15:08 |
chris_99 | they were very helpful, but i never got round to getting one alas, i should get one to play with | 15:09 |
streety | is that oscillating u-tube for measuring density? | 15:10 |
chris_99 | yeah | 15:10 |
streety | I've been meaning to play around with piezo sensors | 15:10 |
nmz787_i | any alcohol sensor should be comparable if they're electrochemical, I thikn | 15:10 |
nmz787_i | they're just fuel-cells | 15:11 |
nmz787_i | take the alcohol and convert to electrons and CO2 and water | 15:11 |
chris_99 | they told me how to do it, i asked if i could use ultrasound | 15:11 |
chris_99 | to vapourise it, but i think they said it's not necessary in this case, because theres so much alcohol | 15:11 |
nmz787_i | yeah that's the 'headspace' | 15:12 |
chris_99 | ah right theres a few things | 15:12 |
chris_99 | they said to do | 15:12 |
chris_99 | cool it down to like 5C | 15:12 |
chris_99 | use a big sensor, and small sample vol | 15:12 |
nmz787_i | I would recommend keeping the temp and gas exchange as constant as possible | 15:12 |
chris_99 | mmm | 15:13 |
nmz787_i | any temp changes will change the solubility of the alcohol in the gas | 15:13 |
nmz787_i | which could upset having nice trendlines | 15:13 |
chris_99 | since they're cheap i may order one | 15:13 |
chris_99 | ah | 15:14 |
chris_99 | yeah | 15:14 |
chris_99 | do you have your 'blue' spectrometer? | 15:15 |
nmz787_i | yeah at home | 15:15 |
nmz787_i | didn't touch it this weekend | 15:15 |
chris_99 | aha, did you get the 1100nm or something grating | 15:15 |
chris_99 | or the smaller one | 15:15 |
nmz787_i | it has a serial port and now I want to get my rs232 sniffer working | 15:15 |
nmz787_i | i got the largest range grating | 15:15 |
nmz787_i | i believe it has the ILX (Sony) sensor in it | 15:15 |
chris_99 | neat! could you possibly try measuring some alcohol at some point, as i'd be very curious to see the results | 15:16 |
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nmz787_i | yeah, 365 - 1100 nm... resolution: 3 nm | 15:16 |
chris_99 | yeah that's the one | 15:16 |
nmz787_i | sure, I can take some measurements | 15:17 |
chris_99 | cheers, that'd be awesome | 15:17 |
nmz787_i | I don't know that I've been to a liquor store here in this state yet | 15:20 |
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chris_99 | heh | 15:20 |
chris_99 | heh check this - http://www.dart-sensors.com/product/dry-alcohol-standard-das/ | 15:27 |
chris_99 | dry alcohol from what i can understand | 15:28 |
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nsh | lolwrong | 16:28 |
nsh | *smh* | 16:28 |
nmz787_i | anyone here use gEDA? | 16:28 |
nmz787_i | I wonder how it compares to kicad... personally from the experience I've had with a few kicad bugs, I wonder if gEDA is more stable | 16:29 |
nmz787_i | also kicad uses environment variables, and I don't really like that. | 16:30 |
gene_hacker | why bother with proteins when we have a synthesis machine? | 16:36 |
gene_hacker | @ kanzure | 16:36 |
gene_hacker | there's quite a bit we could do with supramolecular chemistry | 16:40 |
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kanzure | gene_hacker: elaborate | 17:02 |
gene_hacker | if we have a synthesis machine making crazy stuff like this: http://pubs.rsc.org/services/images/RSCpubs.ePlatform.Service.FreeContent.ImageService.svc/ImageService/Articleimage/2014/CS/c4cs00029c/c4cs00029c-f17_hi-res.gif | 17:05 |
gene_hacker | becomes a lot easier | 17:06 |
gene_hacker | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6227/1190.full | 17:06 |
paperbot | http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.347.6227.1190 | 17:07 |
kanzure | that does not seem to be a protein | 17:08 |
kanzure | hmm | 17:09 |
kanzure | yeah, we should definitely be doing more chemistry things | 17:10 |
cluckj | it appears to be an article not a protein | 17:26 |
kanzure | the gif? | 17:27 |
cluckj | this is a computer screen not a protein | 17:28 |
cluckj | you can't fool me | 17:28 |
kanzure | look closer (jedi mind trick) | 17:29 |
cluckj | this is the protein I was looking for | 17:30 |
nmz787_i | anyone ever hear of offbrand uses for lasik? | 17:32 |
nmz787_i | i want to know if they could do lasik on my eardrum surface (to remove scar tissue which I believe reduces the frequency response of it) | 17:32 |
nmz787_i | (though i had a graft on my inner ear side of the drum, so that could be the source of dampening, which lasik wouldn't be able to get at from outside the ear) | 17:42 |
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cluckj | we need to go all Fantastic Voyage into your ear, dude | 17:53 |
cluckj | or maybe Innerspace | 17:53 |
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nmz787_i | "That single bond acts like a train hitch capable of linking boxcars together in any desired order" because train-cars or tanker-cars don't fit the analogy | 17:59 |
nmz787_i | that quote is totally going to end up screwing some student on a test | 17:59 |
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CaptHindsight | http://shop.agic.cc/collections/everything/products/agic-circuit-printer-starter-set | 18:20 |
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fenn | how do you connect components to a paper circuit board? | 18:32 |
fenn | looks like they had to tape the batteries on, and maybe the LEDs too http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0468/4749/products/LED_battery_set_sample.JPG | 18:35 |
fenn | the resistance must be pretty high for that circuit to work | 18:36 |
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CaptHindsight | fenn: not sure with their ink | 19:33 |
CaptHindsight | solder paste, conductive adhesive or ultrasonic bonding | 19:35 |
CaptHindsight | there are also synthetic papers that handle the temps of solder paste | 19:36 |
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