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| kanzure | "FEBRUARY 2015 First published report of an unexpected side effect of FMT - a previously slim woman become obese after the treatment." haha | 04:47 |
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| archels | I like it when people use lines of code as a measure of complexity | 06:53 |
| archels | just asked my prof if he had some reference implementation. "I didn't write code ( I think it will take 10 lines to do most of it)" | 06:54 |
| archels | maybe that's the trick to writing an AGI. Just make sure it squeezes into 10 lines of code | 06:55 |
| wrldpc1 | I’ll be in Frisco next month 22-26 any cool science/technology-related things worth doing? I’m planning on the Computer Museum? ::shrug:: never really been to San Fran before. | 07:15 |
| thundara | Night Life http://www.calacademy.org/nightlife/ ? | 07:17 |
| thundara | wrldpc1: ^^ | 07:17 |
| fenn | the computer history museum is not as good as it could be, you can't interact with any of the old computers at all, they just sit there dead | 07:17 |
| wrldpc1 | ありがとうございます。 | 07:18 |
| wrldpc1 | I was afraid of that, fenn. | 07:18 |
| fenn | i'd suggest visiting a hackerspace or two | 07:20 |
| fenn | noisebridge, techshop, hacker dojo | 07:21 |
| fenn | the exploratorium is fun | 07:22 |
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| fenn | there is a WW2 submarine parked near fisherman's wharf that i think you can tour | 07:25 |
| fenn | nasa moffett field probably has some tours | 07:26 |
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| fenn | there are always scientific seminars ongoing at UCSF/Stanford/UC Berkeley but it's hard to predict when and where and what they will be about | 07:30 |
| eudoxia | isn't the nasa place with the big wind tunnel in oakland | 07:30 |
| fenn | no | 07:30 |
| fenn | it's in mountain view | 07:31 |
| eudoxia | well san fran/oakland/berkeley/mountain view | 07:31 |
| eudoxia | that place yeah | 07:31 |
| fenn | it's like a 45 minute drive from san francisco proper | 07:32 |
| fenn | pretty close to the computer history museum actually | 07:33 |
| CaptHindsight | fenn: how are the hackerspaces in and around SF? The ones I've visited in the midwest and east coast are nothing I'd recommend to anyone | 07:42 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, how do : long term thinking. | 07:45 |
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| wrldpc1 | Tight! Thanks, Fenn! I’ll have transportation (rental car) so sizeable distances are doable. | 07:50 |
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| wrldpc1 | From what I know of Noisebridge it should be worth a visit. | 07:50 |
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| kanzure | you guys are boring | 10:02 |
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| eudoxia | not really | 10:11 |
| chris_99 | Anyone ever seen a way to use separate cookie caches for each browser tab, per chance | 10:14 |
| CaptHindsight | any cloak and dagger stories on the passing of Austen Heinz? | 10:27 |
| kanzure | someone spilled the beans in here the other day, unfortunately | 10:27 |
| kanzure | i believe everyone was trying to keep his passing more private or secretive | 10:27 |
| heath | why? | 10:33 |
| heath | i think he was a viatal part of the community | 10:34 |
| kanzure | i mean his family was trying to keep the details not public | 10:41 |
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| CaptHindsight | people are going to wonder when someone is only 31 | 11:00 |
| kanzure | sure | 11:22 |
| kanzure | i happen to agree here | 11:22 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9720033 | 11:28 |
| yoleaux | SpaceX Hyperloop Pod Competition | Hacker News | 11:28 |
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| maaku | fenn: the WW2 submarine is fun. the WW2 merchant ship next to it is also a good tour. my brother volunteers on it | 11:39 |
| maaku | CaptHindsight kanzure : it is sad and alarming that a higher than expected number of transhumanists have resorted to suicide | 11:40 |
| kanzure | that might just be a bias regarding reports | 11:43 |
| kanzure | how about all the ones that died from not being signed up for cryonics | 11:44 |
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| Drethelin | they're probably dea either way | 11:47 |
| Drethelin | suicidal impulses are a really weird thing | 11:48 |
| Drethelin | almost like having a cartesian lying demon living in your head | 11:48 |
| kanzure | Drethelin: i liked you better when you were all downcased | 11:49 |
| zooko | Related: http://zooko-on-aaronsw.blogspot.com/ | 11:51 |
| kanzure | bill gates should really just buy elsevier's publishing division | 11:54 |
| kanzure | the largest academic publishing entity in the world should not be some weapons manufacturer | 11:55 |
| Drethelin | there's a lot of stuff I'd like bill gates to do and I don't think elsevier is at the top of the list | 12:00 |
| kanzure | where on the list would it be then? | 12:01 |
| eudoxia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X69_42Mj-g | 12:03 |
| eudoxia | .title | 12:03 |
| yoleaux | Clasp: Common Lisp using LLVM and C++ for Molecular Metaprogramming - YouTube | 12:03 |
| eudoxia | the intersection of "the set of people into common lisp" and "the set of people interested in molecular manufacturing" is larger than you'd expect for some curious reason | 12:03 |
| kanzure | probably some fascination with primitives and atoms | 12:04 |
| eudoxia | hahaha atoms that's gold | 12:04 |
| eudoxia | this slide lol https://youtu.be/8X69_42Mj-g?t=1144 | 12:05 |
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| CaptHindsight | http://www.orc.soton.ac.uk/lift.html is Cambrian Genomics' using this to only transfer "verified good" DNA bead onto the next sequence? | 13:34 |
| kanzure | they are sequencing their beads | 13:35 |
| kanzure | beads are 10 micron diameter bead spheres, pushed around by death ray laser beams | 13:36 |
| CaptHindsight | yeah , ok | 13:36 |
| CaptHindsight | that big | 13:36 |
| CaptHindsight | I thought it was smaller beads | 13:37 |
| CaptHindsight | heh "Laser pulse catapulting" | 13:38 |
| kanzure | uh it might be smaller than 10 micron, but definitely not much bigger | 13:39 |
| CaptHindsight | I'm still catching up on 10-20 years of DNA tech | 13:48 |
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| CaptHindsight | much of what I see reminds me of what you see when physicists build electronic devices | 13:51 |
| kanzure | did you see the teardown of the abi synthesizer | 13:51 |
| kanzure | https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/94 | 13:52 |
| CaptHindsight | they all look like props from 50-70's scifi | 13:52 |
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| CaptHindsight | haven't seen that one but the date codes on the parts are mostly 1988 and 1989 | 13:54 |
| CaptHindsight | I have to catch up on all the biology vernacular as well | 13:55 |
| CaptHindsight | kanzure: is that synthesizer used to just make short strands? | 13:57 |
| CaptHindsight | controlling all the vales is a no brainer | 13:58 |
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| archels | ack, I thought that this first episode of Humans looked familiar. It's just a cheap copy of the Swedish Real Humans | 14:22 |
| kanzure | CaptHindsight: 50-80 bp strands | 14:23 |
| kanzure | CaptHindsight: making a cheapo version of this equipment would be a big win | 14:23 |
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| archels | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OodHtJ1saY | 14:39 |
| yoleaux | TED-RNN - Machine generated TED-Talks - YouTube | 14:39 |
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| kanzure | .sbpirl | 15:02 |
| kanzure | grr | 15:02 |
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| signo5 | hi | 15:03 |
| kanzure | greetings | 15:03 |
| signo5 | i had a couple questions re: nootropics, but the channel for that seems pretty dead. would this be an appropriate place to ask them? | 15:05 |
| kanzure | yep | 15:05 |
| signo5 | cool | 15:06 |
| signo5 | last night i was reading through the nootropics subreddit wiki and noticed that several items with notes saying that they can actually impair rather than improve function in individuals who are already high-performing | 15:07 |
| signo5 | i was wondering if anyone knew of a list of items that show evidence of this effect, or an easy method of checking specific nootropics | 15:08 |
| signo5 | also i was going to ask if anyone had recommendations for nootropics for improving processing speed or executive function. my searches have turned up very little | 15:11 |
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| archels | signo5: it's quite well known, e.g. in dopamine levels | 15:14 |
| archels | #reddit-nootropics and ##nutrition are both active, by the way | 15:15 |
| archels | you could look into dopaminergics, cholinergics for the functions you mentioned | 15:15 |
| signo5 | archels, was your first message re: my 1st or 2nd question? | 15:17 |
| signo5 | maybe i just hit #reddit-nootropics at off times then, i've seen very little activity while in there | 15:18 |
| kanzure | another good resource is to pester gwern | 15:18 |
| kanzure | unfortunately gwern hates this irc channel | 15:18 |
| archels | isn't gwern lw crowd | 15:21 |
| archels | signo5: chronologically | 15:21 |
| signo5 | reading up on on dopaminergics and cholinergics now | 15:23 |
| signo5 | archels, could you elaborate a bit on the first answer? or possibly suggest some reading/search terms? | 15:24 |
| archels | see e.g. http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52272295e4b03da9a53f8c7f/t/54624a07e4b08c4a3ae778ce/1415727623991/CoolsDEsposito_BiolPsychiat_2011.pdf | 15:25 |
| signo5 | i just recently stopped taking adderall after 6-7 years because it felt like it was doing more harm than good | 15:26 |
| archels | you should definitely explore a bit | 15:27 |
| signo5 | archels, thanks, this looks like it's exactly what i wanted | 15:27 |
| signo5 | much appreciated :) | 15:27 |
| archels | no prob | 15:27 |
| archels | share your insights | 15:28 |
| kanzure | .title http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q97/4356.html | 15:32 |
| yoleaux | extropians: tunneling through the Singularity | 15:32 |
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| justanotherusr | Interesting "Additionally, as you increase the number of lines of code in a project, the more time you need to spend typing out those lines. " | 18:02 |
| kanzure | justanotherusr: indeed | 18:04 |
| kanzure | justanotherusr: what's up | 18:04 |
| justanotherusr | just browsing diyhpl.us | 18:04 |
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| justanotherusr | Projects | 18:11 |
| justanotherusr | 12) x='x=%s;x%%repr(x)';x%repr(x) | 18:11 |
| kanzure | failed injection attempt | 18:12 |
| kanzure | figured i'd leave it | 18:12 |
| justanotherusr | I've noticed you've slowly been recruiting Bitcoin wizards to the channel | 18:15 |
| kanzure | that's sort of happened on its own :-) | 18:15 |
| kanzure | all the wizards think that things like dying is not always a good idea | 18:15 |
| kanzure | or a good plan | 18:15 |
| Drethelin | once you're rich, whether in bitcoins or USD, you start to care more about having a long life | 18:16 |
| justanotherusr | kanzure: what do you think about the FDA being a label enforcement agency? | 18:18 |
| justanotherusr | Not informing about drugs may lead to another "non addictive heroin", but anything above labeling leads to a beurocratic process preventing people from getting medical care | 18:20 |
| kanzure | Drethelin: nonsense | 18:21 |
| kanzure | justanotherusr: i think trademarks are already enforced | 18:21 |
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| ryankarason | also.. most labels aren't even compostable:/ | 18:22 |
| ryankarason | i need it very annoying having labels on my fruits | 18:22 |
| justanotherusr | I mean warning labels | 18:23 |
| ryankarason | its forcing labels on things all the same | 18:24 |
| ryankarason | governments trying to force labeling of seeds even in person to person seed exchanging organizations | 18:24 |
| Drethelin | kanzure: how is it nonsense? | 18:25 |
| ryankarason | it is nonsensicle in my mind.. you should research what you put in your body.. | 18:25 |
| ryankarason | Erowid's vault has plenty of research.. you shouldn't just look at a warning label and go by that anyway.. | 18:25 |
| justanotherusr | yeah, people are dumb though. I guess erowid didn't exist when heroin was the "non addictive opium alternative" | 18:30 |
| ryankarason | aye.. but the more you "protect" dumb people.. the more you are promoting ignorance (imo) | 18:31 |
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| Drethelin | you don't need dumbness or "protection" to value good labeling | 18:43 |
| Drethelin | reliable labels are way more efficient than everyone doing their own research | 18:44 |
| Drethelin | People who are "smart" enough to check erowid before taking something would still benefit if the labels were more useful | 18:44 |
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| kanzure | Drethelin: i think even people with zero money can understand the importance of avoiding death | 19:20 |
| kanzure | Drethelin: money does not modulate your understanding of death | 19:20 |
| jrayhawk | i dunno, i think there's some legitimacy to the idea that cryonics are pretty high up on maslow's hierarchy | 19:22 |
| Drethelin | Kanzure: this is false | 19:23 |
| Drethelin | people who have less resources statistically act in riskier ways | 19:24 |
| Drethelin | implicitly valuing their lives less | 19:24 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: didn't you argue against that | 19:24 |
| jrayhawk | probably | 19:24 |
| jrayhawk | i am a contrarian asshole | 19:24 |
| kanzure | fucker | 19:24 |
| jrayhawk | hee | 19:24 |
| kanzure | Drethelin: so you specifically think that death does not impact the poor...? | 19:24 |
| kanzure | why would the number of monies in your pocket modulate how much you die when you die? wtf | 19:25 |
| kanzure | this is infuriating | 19:25 |
| Drethelin | kanzure: you're thinking in a black and white way rather than a probablistic way | 19:26 |
| kanzure | why would i care how much they value their lives? | 19:27 |
| kanzure | why would i expect them to have accurate valuations | 19:27 |
| kanzure | or anyone for that matter | 19:27 |
| Drethelin | you seem to care enough to call nonsense about me making a statement about how people value their lives | 19:27 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: stress drops IQ | 19:28 |
| jrayhawk | while rich people generally work up to their tolerable level of stress, poor people have no choice but to exceed it | 19:29 |
| jrayhawk | or, rather, rich people are able to work with the homeostatic tension between stress and productivity | 19:29 |
| kanzure | i don't understand any of your arguments | 19:30 |
| jrayhawk | poor people are at vastly reduced volition, there | 19:30 |
| kanzure | let me simplify this for you | 19:30 |
| kanzure | death is bad | 19:30 |
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| jrayhawk | but contemplating choices in ways to cheat death is not free | 19:30 |
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| Drethelin | it takes a certain kind of stupid genius to reason about human decisionmaking from first principles | 19:31 |
| kanzure | i never claimed any sense of genius, argh | 19:31 |
| kanzure | this is even more infuriating | 19:31 |
| Drethelin | I never said you did | 19:31 |
| kanzure | alright | 19:31 |
| Drethelin | I am attributing to you of my own will | 19:31 |
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| kanzure | also, why would someone have to value their own life in any particular way in order to think that death is dumnb | 19:47 |
| kanzure | *dumb | 19:47 |
| Drethelin | so, plenty of people don't want die, some do, but there is a clear variation in how much effort people are willing to put into not dying | 19:49 |
| Drethelin | a lot of this is related to whether people think they're going to die anyway, whether they think they can or have achieved something with their lives, whether they feel safe/happy etc. | 19:50 |
| Drethelin | if you expect the rest of your life to be miserable, you don't neccesarily want more of it | 19:53 |
| Drethelin | so the newly rich went from expecting their continued life to be one way, to expecting it to be way better | 19:54 |
| Drethelin | thus incentivizing them to put more energy into finding ways to prolong that life | 19:54 |
| kanzure | okay, well you don't have to want a good life for yourself to recognize that death is dumb | 19:54 |
| kanzure | your own life can be shit, who cares? | 19:54 |
| Drethelin | most people don't dedicated their lives to helping everyone else | 19:56 |
| Drethelin | so clearly they care | 19:56 |
| kanzure | you don't have to "dedicate a life" to know that death is dumb | 19:56 |
| Drethelin | ok but | 19:58 |
| Drethelin | so what? | 19:58 |
| Drethelin | so you recognize death is dumb | 19:58 |
| Drethelin | what do you do next? | 19:59 |
| Drethelin | NOTHING | 19:59 |
| Drethelin | then it might as well have not been recognized | 19:59 |
| Drethelin | actually nevermind | 19:59 |
| Drethelin | this conversation sucks | 19:59 |
| jrayhawk | this is a true fact | 20:00 |
| kanzure | have you read up on my cryonics plans | 20:00 |
| kanzure | or are you legitimely interested in death | 20:00 |
| kanzure | *legitmately | 20:00 |
| kanzure | even if i knew with absoulte certainty that everyone i have ever known is going to die, i still do not think this should modulate whether i think this is good, or whether i think others should find it good or whether i should think others accept it or don't even think about it; i wouldn't want to make sweeping statements like that at all. | 20:05 |
| kanzure | i'm also amused by your pessimism. isn't the phrase around here "immortality or bust" or something? | 20:08 |
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| kanzure | you guys are boring | 20:35 |
| Adlai | no u | 20:35 |
| Adlai | what if rumination offers no significant fitness increase and depression is only commonplace due to the suicide taboo? | 20:36 |
| Adlai | this in response to all the evolutionary biologists puzzled over statistics | 20:36 |
| Drethelin | implying a lot of depressed people just killed themselves right away before catholicism came around? | 20:37 |
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| Adlai | eh, i'd guess the suicide taboo has existed about as long as language and tribalism | 20:38 |
| Drethelin | hmm | 20:38 |
| Adlai | but this is like how we'll never out-evolve lactose intolerance or diabetes | 20:38 |
| Drethelin | are walkabouts a sort of | 20:39 |
| Drethelin | suicide gamble? | 20:39 |
| Adlai | walkabouts?+ | 20:39 |
| maaku | Drethelin: bah most bitcoin wizards are not rich | 20:39 |
| Adlai | .wp walkabout | 20:39 |
| Drethelin | anyway considering there's a lot of variance in suicidality between races I imagine there has to be something genetic rather than cultural there | 20:39 |
| Adlai | hmm | 20:39 |
| Drethelin | Walkabouts are an australian aboriginal ritual thing | 20:39 |
| Drethelin | basically you go into the outback all alone and try to survive | 20:40 |
| maaku | for me i discovered bitcoin while looking for ways to fund transhumanist projects, so the causality was definately the other way around | 20:40 |
| Adlai | maaku: wizards maybe not, but you also have those pesky alchemists | 20:40 |
| maaku | I am totally a bitcoin alchemist | 20:41 |
| maaku | i will transumte your testnet bitcoins into alpha coins | 20:41 |
| * maaku joins #bitcoin-alchemists | 20:41 | |
| * Adlai was thinking of "lead to gold" as "altcoin pumpndump to bitcoin profit", but elements alpha is kinda alchemical too | 20:41 | |
| Drethelin | the eternaal quest to turn base doge into Bitcoins | 20:41 |
| Adlai | oh wait have we finished with #bitcoin-blocksize yet? | 20:42 |
| Adlai | have we reached consensus!? | 20:42 |
| * Adlai wants 1MiB blocks | 20:42 | |
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| maaku | oh hell no. but we won't do that here | 20:45 |
| Adlai | bitcoin itself is a transhumanist project | 20:46 |
| Drethelin | currency is transhumanist | 20:47 |
| Adlai | currency itself is subhumanist | 20:48 |
| Drethelin | your mom is currency | 20:48 |
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| Adlai | you have currency-like phenomena below the human level | 20:49 |
| Adlai | molecules attaining usefulness by transferring time-delayed usefulness rather than doing anything themselves | 20:50 |
| Drethelin | brb shorting ATP vs USD | 20:50 |
| Adlai | the incredible thing about ATP is its high velocity and low market cap | 20:51 |
| Adlai | you just don't see this in human currencies | 20:51 |
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| Adlai | maaku: how many VC dollars would you say have been unproductively destroyed by #bitcoin-blocksize developer-attention-DDoS | 20:52 |
| maaku | Adlai: by rough order of magnitude calculation around $400k minimum (not bsc but whole industry) | 20:56 |
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| maaku | well some of that is not VC money | 20:57 |
| maaku | ugh makes me sick to think of that | 20:57 |
| * Adlai feels that "bullshit is an order of magnitude easier to generate than refute" is an underestimate | 20:59 | |
| Adlai | which is quite a transhumanist lament. the discrepancy only seems to worsen as the humans aim higher | 21:01 |
| Drethelin | I think the bigger problem is you can only refute it piecemeal even if it's not hard | 21:02 |
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| Drethelin | a lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on | 21:02 |
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