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| kanzure | https://torrentfreak.com/libgen-goes-down-as-legal-pressure-mounts-150622/ | 06:52 |
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| kanzure | 06:57 < lmatteis> you can move stars!? | 06:58 |
| kanzure | 06:58 < kanzure> ... duh? | 06:58 |
| cluckj | :< poor libgen | 07:06 |
| cluckj | :< poor everyone | 07:26 |
| kanzure | indeed | 07:32 |
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| archels | NY court? I thought libgen was being hosted in eastern Europe/Russia | 08:06 |
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| ahab | libgen...sounds amazing...I wonder why I always hear about these sites after they go down... | 08:42 |
| ahab | hello kanzure, what's new? | 08:42 |
| kanzure | trying to abduct a chemist | 08:43 |
| ahab | surely, you can find a willing participant? | 08:43 |
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| kanzure | "brush electroplating" http://3dprint.com/47065/argentinian-3d-metal-printer/ | 08:48 |
| kanzure | ahab: haven't found one yet, still looking, would appreciate help | 08:49 |
| kanzure | https://www.replicatingrobots.org/we-should-do-this-instead-of-building-a-space-elevator/ | 08:50 |
| kanzure | https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hypervelocity_Landing_Track | 08:50 |
| kanzure | "rheobrake" https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Space_Transport_and_Engineering_Methods/External_Interaction_Methods#76_Rheobrake | 08:51 |
| ahab | kanzure, I can build that 3D printer...just need the 3D printer...I was planning on getting one later this year. | 08:51 |
| kanzure | luke parrish might be danielravennest/datapackrat. not sure. | 08:51 |
| JayDugger | I don't remember that from Kingsbury's book. | 08:53 |
| JayDugger | I remember this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain | 08:55 |
| JayDugger | I think Parrish has the reference wrong, but I read that a long time ago. | 08:57 |
| kanzure | .wik space fountain | 09:01 |
| yoleaux | "A space fountain is a proposed form of structure extending into space that, like a space elevator, can extend to geostationary orbit, but does not rely on tensile strength for support. In contrast to the space elevator design, a space fountain is a tremendously tall tower extending up from the ground." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain | 09:01 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, there's some chemists who work down the hall from me | 09:11 |
| FourFire | I've established some dialogue with them (and caused them to look at me funny) | 09:12 |
| FourFire | if you'd care to state an example problem, I might convey it to them and ask them about it... | 09:12 |
| FourFire | I mean, I'd be willing to help. | 09:12 |
| FourFire | Unfortunately I, personally haven't done anything more than scrape a C in Highschool chemistry :( | 09:13 |
| kanzure | FourFire: general material compatibility for all reactions here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/ and also linker chemistry for solid supports, and also cleaving and relinking. | 09:16 |
| kanzure | thanks | 09:16 |
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| FourFire | Cool, I'll talk to them next time I see them | 09:18 |
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| kanzure | "most people use only 10% of their brain [sic], but i on the other hand use 10% of everyone else's brain" | 10:50 |
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| ryankarason | :o.. theif! | 10:59 |
| ryankarason | ... i just discovered PubChem.. | 11:00 |
| ryankarason | =D | 11:00 |
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| kanzure | ryankarason: perhaps you would also be entertained to learn about pubmed and pubmedcentral? | 11:26 |
| kanzure | wait, chemistry, right. uh. chemspider? | 11:27 |
| ryankarason | chemspider, eh ? awesome | 11:27 |
| ryankarason | and here i thought the world was a sad place! | 11:27 |
| ryankarason | thank you:)! | 11:27 |
| ryankarason | i recently heard about pubmed too in a TedTalk, but i haven't checked it out.. thank you | 11:28 |
| ryankarason | me and a friend were talking the other day about trying to start a distributed database of free knowledge of acedemic papers.. hopefully through something like IPFS | 11:28 |
| ryankarason | but the problem is getting certified people to peer review.. as my friend made clear.. the current institutions have such a vested interested in the status quo.. not really sure how to find people that have qualifications.. but want to see knowledge be freed.. | 11:29 |
| ryankarason | what is the difference between pubmed and pubmedcentral? | 11:31 |
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| kanzure | lolz page 39 http://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf | 11:34 |
| kanzure | ryankarason: pubmedcentral had the requirement that all papers were available for download, i think. iirc pubmedcentral was deprecated a while ago though, and folded into pubmed? i forget. | 11:35 |
| kanzure | ryankarason: distributing papers through ipfs (or any other mechanism) is very different from requiring peer review. why would whether you use ipfs or any other file sharing mechanism influence whether a paper has been peer reviewed....? | 11:36 |
| ryankarason | sorry.. it was kinda two seperate issues | 11:37 |
| ryankarason | i want to help produce a peer reviewing system for papers that are "free/open" and use IPFS as a means for distribution. | 11:37 |
| ryankarason | have a central database likely of verified hashes | 11:38 |
| kanzure | i am disappointed that the only main options we have are "human-readable papers" and "some sort of machine-readable format but nobody knows how to make it and nobody knows how to convince everyone to write it" as a way to organize scientific progress. both options are pretty sucky. | 11:49 |
| kanzure | and hypercard-on-steroids (xanadu) is not a reasonable solution either | 11:50 |
| kanzure | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/07/copyright-office-belongs-library | 11:51 |
| kanzure | (unrelated) | 11:52 |
| kanzure | unfortunately i think the only ideas we have had in the history of science for ways to reorganize science was lame stuff like leibniz's "TURN EVERYTHING INTO MONADS" and recursive mirrors within mirrors or something. which is utterly useless unless you're jorge luis borges. | 11:53 |
| kanzure | cc nsh | 11:53 |
| kanzure | ah, characteristica universalis and calculus ratiocinator and his mechanical implementation of a world wide web. | 11:58 |
| kanzure | but i'm not convinced that there's a productive way to convince everyone to convert all of their scientific work into a conlang | 11:58 |
| kanzure | i guess there's the "constructor theory" approach, where you encode most things as a graph transformation mechanism http://constructortheory.org/ | 12:01 |
| ryankarason | well.. let's continue to discuss an intermediate solution.. :) ..i wish to use my efforts to upset the current balance because when i do the math.. the current end result is doom. | 12:14 |
| kanzure | i'm not convinced that ipfs is the missing ingredient that will suddenly convince everyone to upload all papers ever | 12:14 |
| kanzure | or the ingredient that will convince everyone to stop using elsevier etc. | 12:14 |
| ryankarason | i concur.. but i think that the internet and the current power we hold for the mass distribution of knowledge is the key coming out of this dark age. | 12:15 |
| ryankarason | my problem is.. i can easily see how if we conspire to work together, the end result as a whole is better than if we all continue to find an evolutionary stable strategy to be selfish | 12:16 |
| ryankarason | though.. it is often hard for me to share this englightenment with others.. | 12:16 |
| ryankarason | i have great trouble understanding how people can think they own knowledge, how they think they created soemthing purely of their own will and intellect | 12:17 |
| kanzure | perhaps names should not be attached to scientific documents | 12:18 |
| ryankarason | so there is 1 main reason why i disagree with that notion | 12:18 |
| ryankarason | the problem is that people lie (whether maliciously or from misinformation) | 12:19 |
| ryankarason | so a name to me.. helps me "judge a book by its cover" | 12:19 |
| ryankarason | it give me a truth value to a given content of a piece of information | 12:19 |
| ryankarason | there are certain sources (authors) for various fields that i trust their results more than others. | 12:19 |
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| ryankarason | and i often do not have the time or equiptment or money or experience to prove a given paper.. so i need to develop some trust based on the "cover" | 12:20 |
| ryankarason | @constructor theory.. very interesting.. thanks for giving me something to read during lunch! | 12:22 |
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| kanzure | that trust is worthless, all that matters is results and verification | 12:25 |
| drethelin | alas | 12:32 |
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| delinquentme | do we have anyone fluent in german in here? | 14:07 |
| delinquentme | I'm looking for the german term for " curriculum vitae" | 14:07 |
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| ryankarason | kanzure: trust == verification from my perspective. | 15:17 |
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| kanzure | https://www.reddit.com/r/MachinePorn | 16:44 |
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| kanzure | screw-drive vehicle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFKzgF5t94&feature=youtu.be&t=6m47s | 16:54 |
| kanzure | ah, a modern equivalent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNw2Fon1Ko | 16:55 |
| kanzure | oil rig remover http://i.imgur.com/BY63bos.jpg | 17:07 |
| jrayhawk | i quite enjoyed Richard Hammond's Engineering Connections for this sort of thing | 17:14 |
| jrayhawk | and for being a genuine science show | 17:14 |
| kanzure | someone who does industrial photography http://www.stahlseite.de/ | 17:16 |
| kanzure | rover size comparison http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/press/opportunity/20120117a/PIA15279_3rovers-stand_D2011_1215_D521.jpg | 17:21 |
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| kanzure | SR-71 assembly floor https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/SR71_factoryfloor_SkunkWorks.jpg | 17:28 |
| cluckj | kanzure, pm in a sec? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | sure | 17:33 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow | 17:33 |
| yoleaux | Bagger 288! - YouTube | 17:33 |
| kanzure | ( https://www.reddit.com/r/MachinePorn/comments/qb8jk/largescale_excavator_at_a_lignite_open_pit_mine/ ) | 17:33 |
| kanzure | dis image http://i.imgur.com/YH9xX.jpg | 17:34 |
| kanzure | i appreciate that this is named "prelude" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_FLNG | 17:44 |
| Madplatypus | How goes the march towards transhumanism? | 17:54 |
| mgin | who's marching? | 18:17 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone, | 18:58 |
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| JayDugger | Madplatypus, the view from Mount Nebo is still the same. | 19:17 |
| kanzure | what does that even mean | 19:35 |
| JayDugger | .wik Mount Nebo | 19:35 |
| yoleaux | "Mount Nebo (Arabic: جبل نيبو Jabal Nībū; Hebrew: הַר נְבוֹ Har Nevo) is an elevated ridge in Jordan, approximately 817 metres (2,680 ft) above sea level, mentioned in the Bible as the place where Moses was granted a view of the Promised Land." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Nebo | 19:35 |
| JayDugger | Biblical reference. Moses clearly saw the promised land, but never arrived. | 19:36 |
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| kanzure | no i mean the marching shit | 19:43 |
| JayDugger | Oh. No idea. | 19:44 |
| JayDugger | Orderly disciplined motion doesn't seem to fit. | 19:44 |
| mgin | why not? | 19:46 |
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| kanzure | every time i hear about a "movement of music" i think of people taking shits in unison. it's awful. | 19:47 |
| kanzure | same thing with other "movements" (social movements). terrible terminology. | 19:47 |
| mgin | maybe you're just a terrible person | 19:48 |
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| kanzure | give me a good reason to not ban you | 19:48 |
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| kanzure | judge me not by how awful i am but by the quality of my results :-) | 19:55 |
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| Madplatypus | Instead of marching, maybe you would prefer "Dancing to the music of the spheres" :P | 20:20 |
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| ryankarason | when i think of movement of music, i think of the structural part of a musical peice defined as a 'movement' | 20:33 |
| ryankarason | kanzure: i watched the video of Constructor Theory and started peeping at one of the papers.. the video had me thinking.. .. are you going to explain what your theory is and give me an example of its application or maybe how it can be used to further deduce an unknown phenomena.. but it just seem to circle around "constructor theory is great.. it proves things .. lots of thigns.. its great.. i promise" | 20:36 |
| kanzure | huh? | 20:42 |
| kanzure | graph theory stuff can be used to transform one state to another. what's there to understand? | 20:43 |
| ryankarason | aye.. i realized there is a better paper that is being more explicit.. | 20:44 |
| ryankarason | i was hoping there to be some rigor explaining a particular process in terms of this transformation and how it can be applied to deduce something new | 20:44 |
| ryankarason | my brain is upset today | 20:45 |
| ryankarason | so i apologize for my actions | 20:45 |
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| ryankarason | i need to go home.. ha.. i will be back tomorrow hopefully with an operable brain | 20:47 |
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