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| chris_99 | https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3eret9/science_ama_series_i_am_stephen_hawking/ | 06:10 |
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| justanotheruser | a bunch of questions, no answers | 06:42 |
| chris_99 | yeah you can post questions, he hasn't answered them yet | 06:42 |
| xrr | The first post explains this | 06:43 |
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| fleshtheworld | does this channel include any DIY or just 'bio | 07:19 |
| FourFire | fleshtheworld, well some people here are working on protein synthesis for cheap | 07:21 |
| kanzure | FourFire: dna synthesis.... not protein synthesis. | 07:22 |
| FourFire | I'm trying to brute force genes in theoretical genespace with a genetic algorithm | 07:22 |
| kanzure | sigh | 07:22 |
| FourFire | also I have lots of ... ideas ... for BCI and such | 07:22 |
| FourFire | lots of others here are doing useful things like jailbreaking research which deserves to be free and hosting it | 07:23 |
| FourFire | kanzure, sigh all you want, I'll either prove it works, or give up and work on something else by the end of the decade. | 07:26 |
| justanotheruser | what does brute force genes mean? | 07:27 |
| justanotheruser | do you have a large number of samples that you use modified dna in? | 07:27 |
| FourFire | justanotheruser, no it's supposed to be simulated all the way | 07:28 |
| fleshtheworld | I was thinking of getting/building a cheap cooler for moo computer. Trying to find a 'viable method. Like putting a open fridge right bie my computer's intake fan area. Anyone come across any methods yet | 07:28 |
| justanotheruser | so you have some mechanism for simulating them in a useful way? | 07:29 |
| justanotheruser | fleshtheworld: put it in water, but make sure it is salt water so you don't have a short circuit | 07:29 |
| FourFire | A genetic algorithm grades the gene based on how well the protein synthesied from it performs at the given task, the fitness function is how much it does the thing I want it to do, and how little reacts with other stuff in the environment | 07:29 |
| FourFire | fleshtheworld, is it the CPU or GPU which is overheating? | 07:30 |
| kanzure | i am primarily sighing about your mixup of protein synthesis and dna synthesis | 07:30 |
| FourFire | kanzure, oh right, sorry, I've only seen your conversations in passing a lot | 07:31 |
| justanotheruser | FourFire: do you have a link to information about how you determine how well the protein performs at a given task? | 07:31 |
| fleshtheworld | im needing an unconventional cooling method for mie computer that works %100 amazing. to where my cpu will never go above 50 celsius | 07:31 |
| kanzure | what's a moo computer, and what's a mie computer | 07:31 |
| fleshtheworld | typing can be boring so sometimes i troll in between | 07:32 |
| justanotheruser | fleshtheworld: buy 1000 cans of air duster and load them into a machine that can spray them upside down onto your computer and swaps them when they run out | 07:33 |
| justanotheruser | or maybe you could just have really efficient water cooling, or a really efficient heat sync | 07:35 |
| fleshtheworld | FourFire, didnt see yoo messeage, but neither are overheating. i just want to cool them down as much as i can | 07:35 |
| FourFire | fleshtheworld, lol, why? | 07:35 |
| fleshtheworld | im using stock heatsink for cpu, bought a better heatsink, but its bent, etc. so sent it back. havent reorder it yet | 07:35 |
| FourFire | so just wait for it | 07:36 |
| fleshtheworld | because it would just be cooler | 07:36 |
| FourFire | an open fridge is likely to cause problems like condensation, you really don't want dripping water near your computer | 07:36 |
| fleshtheworld | im reordering it eventually | 07:36 |
| fleshtheworld | yeah, thast why im looking for methods that wont cause moisture, etc. | 07:37 |
| FourFire | or if you have a ton of cooking oil and a tub handy, you could do this: https://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php | 07:37 |
| fleshtheworld | i know there is a really simple cheap way, where mie cpu will never go above 50 ceilius | 07:37 |
| fleshtheworld | people just havent tried developing a method yet | 07:37 |
| fleshtheworld | looks interesting | 07:39 |
| kanzure | fleshtheworld: perhaps if you typed faster you would be less bored? http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure | 07:39 |
| justanotheruser | you love showing that off don't you :P | 07:40 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow | 07:40 |
| justanotheruser | do watercooled computers suck to maintain? I imagine my hands would be greasy and grose every time I wanted to do something with it. | 07:40 |
| fleshtheworld | i assume there are oil that are not 'oily' | 07:41 |
| FourFire | heh kanzure lord it about when you can, I have something <50 | 07:41 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I have no idea what I'm watching | 07:42 |
| FourFire | watercooled, greasy? | 07:42 |
| justanotheruser | well watercooled isn't actually water cooled unless you want a watercooled relic of your once functional computer | 07:42 |
| fleshtheworld | i can try putting my old motherboard in a fish tank and see it it still works | 07:43 |
| fleshtheworld | but people have done some sort of water cooling on their computer, gels, etc. | 07:43 |
| fleshtheworld | i assume it is a aesthetic thing. | 07:44 |
| fleshtheworld | an' | 07:44 |
| justanotheruser | If I were you, I would just get a heatsync overnight shipped | 07:44 |
| FourFire | ^ | 07:45 |
| fleshtheworld | im already doing that when i can get to doing it. i just want to find a way to over cool my computer | 07:45 |
| fleshtheworld | without freezing it | 07:45 |
| FourFire | no, actually custom loop water cooling permits lower ambient temps | 07:45 |
| kanzure | "8-bit gifs of japanese life" http://1041uuu.tumblr.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9954684 | 07:46 |
| FourFire | if it's done right, simply because the heat transferring material behind the metal plate which touches the CPU rushes by so quickly that there's a constant high gradient for the heat to transfer across | 07:46 |
| fleshtheworld | that reminds me, i have to acully reorder that heatsink or ill forget | 07:46 |
| justanotheruser | weaboo | 07:46 |
| justanotheruser | I must be missing something, why is this the top post on hn | 07:47 |
| kanzure | "art on hacker news? impossible!" | 07:49 |
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| archels | what's a good free site for plagiarism checking? | 08:06 |
| kanzure | just fail everyone, it's your duty as a TA | 08:09 |
| chris_99 | haha | 08:10 |
| kanzure | huh, the soviets found a way to wiretap typewriters using magnetism? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9954159 | 08:12 |
| justanotheruser | archels: wget -r google.com | 08:13 |
| justanotheruser | then fgrep each file and find ones that are similar | 08:14 |
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| kanzure | warning: contains boring ethical nonsense, http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/we-should-harvest-organs-from-patients-before-death/ | 08:53 |
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| kanzure | "The cost of [non-monopoly-favoriting] drug development is negative, when you consider how much money would be saved by not having to pay out monopoly rents for decades to drug companies." | 09:28 |
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| kanzure | http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2012/10/emulating-usb-dfu-to-capture-firmware.html | 11:19 |
| kanzure | http://www.internationaltestinstruments.com/products/97-1480a-usb-20-protocol-analyzer.aspx | 11:20 |
| kanzure | "fpga-based usb sniffer" http://openvizsla.org/ | 11:20 |
| juri_ | kanzure: travis goodspeed had a good CCC talk on that subject. | 11:26 |
| chris_99 | also https://github.com/mossmann/daisho re. usb analysers | 11:29 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956415 | 11:44 |
| yoleaux | Show HN: A Hand-Drawn QR Code Alternative | Hacker News | 11:44 |
| kanzure | "I suppose you could rework this to actually encode the message in the shape much like a qr code. You could do it by having the first 9 characters be done by just moving around the 3 sides of the triangle, then the next set would have a dot in the middle, and then the next set would have a line through the middle, etc. You could then write that line-by-line or in a spiral or something." | 11:44 |
| kanzure | "Have you heard of elian script? This reminds me a bit of it. Also, elian script is fairly easy to write once you get the hang of it, if you were very good at it it could be faster than the latin alphabet, as it takes less movements per character." | 11:47 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if they will start running libgen or sci-hub as a honey pot | 12:42 |
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| kanzure | .tw https://twitter.com/libgen_project/status/614310409970057218 | 12:45 |
| yoleaux | We are suffering DDOS at the moment. Filthy guys work quite a dirty way (@libgen_project) | 12:45 |
| kanzure | http://scienceengineering.library.scilibgen.org/ | 12:46 |
| drethelin | http://www.dx.com/p/ip67-waterproof-usb-2-0-cmos-6-led-snake-camera-endoscope-7m-169169#.VbaLY_lVhBd | 12:47 |
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| kanzure | it's interesting that the forum was not targeted by the lawsuit | 12:52 |
| kanzure | crossref.org api client thingy for DOI lookup https://github.com/dotcs/doimgr | 12:54 |
| kanzure | this seems to be where they do upload requests for books (but not scimag?) https://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6570&start=850 | 12:58 |
| kanzure | i2p http://u76v7ha6j4jmtz3k2lseaso5qy36lxs77klhovmptufwcodovatq.b32.i2p/ | 12:59 |
| kanzure | why is scimag separate >:( | 13:00 |
| kanzure | might be using onionshare and tribbler | 13:02 |
| kanzure | tribler. | 13:02 |
| kanzure | "Scimag torrents will be distributed by someone independently, it's too much of exposure for us." https://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6395&p=66546&hilit=scimag#p66546 | 13:03 |
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| juri_ | spoke with my contacts at lulzbot. they're not planning anything for the biohacker community any time soon. | 15:15 |
| kanzure | duh? | 15:22 |
| kanzure | why would they be ..? | 15:22 |
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| BlueLobster | welcome erasmus | 16:36 |
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| BlueLobster | we areher eto further the transhumanist agenda | 16:36 |
| BlueLobster | also to learn how to type | 16:36 |
| erasmus | omg BlueLobster in ##hplusroadmap | 16:36 |
| erasmus | I'm with you mang | 16:37 |
| erasmus | I'm all about trying to improve. | 16:37 |
| BlueLobster | I'm here to help. | 16:43 |
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| kanzure | greetings BlueLobster | 16:51 |
| * BlueLobster tips his hat | 16:51 | |
| erasmus | .insult BlueLobster | 16:56 |
| yoleaux | you lazy cock-monster | 16:56 |
| erasmus | wow that was rather spot ahn no? | 16:56 |
| kanzure | erasmus: what's with all the random insults lately? | 17:02 |
| erasmus | oh I'm friends with BlueLobster | 17:12 |
| erasmus | it's not persona;. | 17:12 |
| kanzure | but yesterday too? | 17:12 |
| erasmus | *personal | 17:12 |
| erasmus | do you want me out of here? | 17:12 |
| erasmus | I'll be honest I get very little pleasure from being here. | 17:12 |
| erasmus | if you want me out just say so and I'm gone. | 17:13 |
| erasmus | I've been in here idle for years waiting for it to get interesting. | 17:14 |
| justanotheruser | looking into piezo tubes on alibaba almost all of them require 100+ orders and don't have specs :( why can't they just steal sensortechs IP. Perhaps I'm searching wrong? http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=piezo+tube | 17:14 |
| erasmus | I'm gonna go shower | 17:15 |
| erasmus | you let me know. | 17:15 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: also try aliexpress | 17:15 |
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| justanotheruser | I do not understand how Piezoelectric voltage coefficient | 17:24 |
| justanotheruser | can be measured like this http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Piezo-Disc-30-2mm-PZT8/652591979.html | 17:24 |
| justanotheruser | Oh, it's D33, not D31 | 17:25 |
| justanotheruser | I really need to find a table for these constants | 17:26 |
| justanotheruser | "The piezoelectric coefficient d_i,j is the ratio of the strain in the j-akis to the electric field applied along the i-axis when all external stresses are held constant." | 17:31 |
| justanotheruser | http://155.185.232.202/dismi/radi/MSS/Piezo/piezo.pdf | 17:31 |
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| maaku | kanzure: I've still got your notes at the top of my reading list. I have full intention of syncing with you on that | 17:45 |
| maaku | just been ... busy | 17:45 |
| maaku | if bitcoin could stop breaking please, that'd be nice | 17:45 |
| kanzure | :-) | 17:49 |
| Adlai | bitcoin breaks!? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | bitcoin is maximum break | 17:49 |
| kanzure | bitcoin is like 100 km deep of ocean trying to collapse in on itself into some weirdo form of centralization | 17:49 |
| Adlai | then it discovers that electron clouds repel eachother, and the equilibrium attracts itself | 17:50 |
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| Adlai | bitcoin is the strangest-yet-stablest attractor | 17:51 |
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| BlueLobster | hmm | 18:01 |
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| BlueLobster | ok so | 21:53 |
| BlueLobster | are you all a bunch of useless cunts OR.... | 21:53 |
| justanotheruser | BlueLobster: its 1AM man | 21:56 |
| BlueLobster | and? | 21:56 |
| BlueLobster | you've all been a bunch of useles cunts for the past since my scrollback started | 21:56 |
| justanotheruser | science hours are 8AM-10PM, the channel leader doesn't start distributing reading materials until those hours | 21:57 |
| BlueLobster | the channel leader | 21:57 |
| BlueLobster | oh boy | 21:57 |
| justanotheruser | I am joking | 21:57 |
| BlueLobster | this is going to go poorly | 21:57 |
| BlueLobster | ok | 21:57 |
| justanotheruser | Are you interested in doing something useful? | 21:59 |
| justanotheruser | get started on something on this list http://diyhpl.us/wiki/projects/proposals/ | 21:59 |
| BlueLobster | justanotheruser: I bought one raspberry pi 2 for every kid who was interested at a local school | 21:59 |
| BlueLobster | I've been teaching them to use the fuckers to quantify uncertainty | 22:00 |
| BlueLobster | also play games :p | 22:00 |
| justanotheruser | thats good | 22:00 |
| BlueLobster | it's kind of fun | 22:01 |
| BlueLobster | you'd be amazed how kids don't suck at programming | 22:01 |
| justanotheruser | It teach them functional programming | 22:02 |
| justanotheruser | s/It// | 22:02 |
| BlueLobster | I think you meant s/It // | 22:03 |
| justanotheruser | If you want to be that specific, I meant s/It t/T/ | 22:03 |
| BlueLobster | arguable | 22:03 |
| BlueLobster | you didn't punctuate | 22:04 |
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| BlueLobster | so maybe you meant to not capitalize | 22:04 |
| BlueLobster | I was trying not to be a cunt | 22:04 |
| justanotheruser | I do start with a capital almost half the time | 22:04 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 22:04 |
| BlueLobster | it's kind of fun to have a kid run and jump into your lap and tell you he hacked your build | 22:04 |
| justanotheruser | I am looking at all my messages in my log and I am ridiculously inconsistent in my capitalization | 22:04 |
| BlueLobster | yeah you suck donkey dick | 22:05 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: read everything here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/optics/photolithography/ | 22:28 |
| BlueLobster | kanzure: what have you done for humanity lately | 22:29 |
| BlueLobster | also hi | 22:29 |
| BlueLobster | buying raspberry pi 2s for every boy at a local school was my last project | 22:30 |
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| kanzure | well at the moment i am defending myself from some bullshit accusations about elitism https://github.com/CryptoConsortium/CCSS/issues/15#issuecomment-125448659 | 22:35 |
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| justanotheruser | "Your trusted third-party should ideally be running one bitcoin node per customer, so that in the event of a fork they do not have to enforce one certain fork on all customers" | 22:38 |
| justanotheruser | I don't understand the benefit of this | 22:38 |
| kanzure | because you don't want to be limited by the ruleset that the lowest common denominator customer is demanding | 22:39 |
| kanzure | or lowest-common-denominator and biggest checkbook | 22:39 |
| justanotheruser | Makes sense I suppose | 22:42 |
| kanzure | 22:35 < CodeShark> "so that in the event of a fork they do not have to enforce one certain fork on all customers" | 22:42 |
| kanzure | 22:36 < CodeShark> that's not snarky sarcasm? | 22:42 |
| kanzure | bah | 22:42 |
| justanotheruser | oh calm down, he already apologized on github :P | 22:43 |
| kanzure | that was after i complained | 22:44 |
| justanotheruser | Though, looking at -dev this guy is confusing me | 22:44 |
| justanotheruser | Do you still read the bitcoin mailing list? I've quit for about a week because of all the noise. | 22:45 |
| kanzure | yes i read it | 22:47 |
| BlueLobster | ok ok ok | 22:47 |
| BlueLobster | what are you fuckers on about | 22:47 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: i don't hear you reading yet >:( | 22:47 |
| BlueLobster | kanzure: Your children are not your children. | 22:48 |
| BlueLobster | they are the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself | 22:48 |
| kanzure | no philosophy | 22:48 |
| * kanzure points to the rules | 22:48 | |
| BlueLobster | philoisophy is an ipmortant way fowrard | 22:48 |
| BlueLobster | fuck the rules | 22:48 |
| kanzure | not when you do it wrong | 22:48 |
| BlueLobster | isn't that inherent? | 22:48 |
| BlueLobster | ahhhh | 22:48 |
| BlueLobster | but now we can discuss where I have made a mistake | 22:48 |
| kanzure | who the shit cares what life longs for? | 22:48 |
| BlueLobster | all of us | 22:49 |
| kanzure | just proceed as negentropy pump | 22:49 |
| BlueLobster | Life. | 22:49 |
| BlueLobster | what is the goal | 22:49 |
| BlueLobster | I'm not entirely sure we are aligned | 22:49 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration | 22:49 |
| BlueLobster | I wish to promote the utility of all future humans | 22:49 |
| BlueLobster | I'd also prefer that we not be cunts about it | 22:49 |
| kanzure | screw future humans, how about current humans | 22:50 |
| BlueLobster | nononono | 22:50 |
| BlueLobster | current humans are irrelevant | 22:50 |
| kanzure | but yea, that page explains | 22:50 |
| BlueLobster | no I'm confused no | 22:50 |
| BlueLobster | "but yea" doe snot compute | 22:50 |
| BlueLobster | if you could set all extant humans on fire | 22:50 |
| BlueLobster | and have all future humans live in eudaimonia | 22:50 |
| BlueLobster | would you not take that? | 22:51 |
| kanzure | i would blow up the planet for a good milkshake, so i don't know if i'm the right person to ask | 22:51 |
| BlueLobster | the question then becomnes what we are trying to optimize | 22:51 |
| kanzure | did you read the page? | 22:51 |
| BlueLobster | no | 22:52 |
| kanzure | good night | 22:52 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 22:52 | |
| BlueLobster | I have my own ideas, and they don't come with a faq | 22:52 |
| BlueLobster | I thought we'd have an open dialogue | 22:52 |
| BlueLobster | justanotheruser: this fucker sounds like a humanist, not a transhumainst | 22:52 |
| BlueLobster | what have you done | 22:52 |
| justanotheruser | you didn't read the link | 22:52 |
| BlueLobster | yes but he's a humanist | 22:53 |
| BlueLobster | useless | 22:53 |
| justanotheruser | you came here to discuss philosophy :( | 22:53 |
| BlueLobster | excuse me, I came here to discuss the way forward | 22:53 |
| BlueLobster | but humanists are worthless | 22:53 |
| justanotheruser | I don't know if you're trolling or what. Read the link. | 22:53 |
| * BlueLobster shruigs | 22:53 | |
| BlueLobster | trolling or what? | 22:53 |
| BlueLobster | are you a bunch of humanists dressed up as transhumanist pretenders? | 22:54 |
| BlueLobster | not impressed | 22:54 |
| justanotheruser | I don't see what implies that we aren't transhumanist | 22:54 |
| BlueLobster | I fudamentally disagree that effort to improve the lot of extant humans is the best way forward | 22:54 |
| BlueLobster | it is a misdirection of limited resources | 22:55 |
| BlueLobster | that kanzure fuker's chat was fundamentally humanist | 22:55 |
| BlueLobster | humanism and transhumanism are nearly diametrically opposed | 22:55 |
| BlueLobster | so, given that | 22:56 |
| BlueLobster | you fuckers suck at it | 22:56 |
| justanotheruser | do you think the prefix "trans" implies something about whether a human you're helping exists? | 22:56 |
| BlueLobster | yes | 22:56 |
| justanotheruser | then you're trong | 22:56 |
| BlueLobster | the trans bit implies that you are helping all future humanity | 22:56 |
| BlueLobster | not just extant people | 22:56 |
| justanotheruser | no it doesn't | 22:56 |
| BlueLobster | yes, it does | 22:56 |
| BlueLobster | necause you're not going to ascend in your lifetime | 22:57 |
| BlueLobster | if you want to do somethjig useful rather tha navel gaze | 22:57 |
| justanotheruser | transhumanism - a philosophy favouring the use of science and technology, especially neurotechnology, biotechnology, and nanotechnology, to overcome human limitations and improve the human condition | 22:57 |
| BlueLobster | you'd be interested in the prosperity of the species | 22:57 |
| BlueLobster | our role as present transhumanists | 22:57 |
| BlueLobster | IS TO DIE | 22:57 |
| justanotheruser | nothing implies existent or nonexistent humans | 22:57 |
| BlueLobster | but to leave the world in sucha place that others may some day not | 22:57 |
| BlueLobster | humanists are insipid poltroons. | 22:58 |
| justanotheruser | living forever would be cool, but if I can't live forever at least another generation may be able to | 22:58 |
| BlueLobster | transhumanists are laying the work for humanity to prosper | 22:58 |
| BlueLobster | you lot are a bunch of cunts, not transhumanists. | 22:58 |
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| BlueLobster | cheers PatrickRobotham | 22:59 |
| justanotheruser | So should any work done in this channel only apply to future humans? If it may benefit present and future humans it should be ignored? | 22:59 |
| BlueLobster | the benefit t present humans is irrelevant | 22:59 |
| BlueLobster | if it benefits future humans it should be valued | 22:59 |
| BlueLobster | benefit to extant humans is worth nothing | 22:59 |
| BlueLobster | that's humanism | 23:00 |
| BlueLobster | I thought we moved beyond that | 23:00 |
| justanotheruser | got past you redefining the word? | 23:00 |
| BlueLobster | You do not matter. | 23:00 |
| justanotheruser | Humanism and transhumanism aren't disjoint | 23:00 |
| BlueLobster | they are absolutely incompatible | 23:00 |
| BlueLobster | if we could we should enslave all of humanity | 23:01 |
| BlueLobster | to create a better future | 23:01 |
| BlueLobster | no one alive matters | 23:01 |
| BlueLobster | the time discounted utility of all future humans dominates | 23:01 |
| BlueLobster | so fuck you. Fuck anyone. Fuck old people who cost so much to keep alive. | 23:01 |
| justanotheruser | I've given you the definition, it seems you have some absurd redefinition along the lines of "humanism for the future" rather than "removing human limitations" | 23:02 |
| BlueLobster | Life looks not backward nor tarries with yesterday. | 23:02 |
| BlueLobster | Your definitions bore me, as do your silly links. | 23:02 |
| justanotheruser | There may be a channel for ##futurehumanism or something for your philosophy | 23:03 |
| BlueLobster | I would not call you transhumanists | 23:03 |
| justanotheruser | or ##futurology :) | 23:03 |
| BlueLobster | I would call you navel gazing cunts.l | 23:03 |
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