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| xtalmath | yeah it is | 00:06 |
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| kanzure | asdfasdfasdf | 01:46 |
| kanzure | uhhh https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3fv2p5/frequent_spicy_meals_linked_to_human_longevity/ | 01:46 |
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| kanzure | 02:03 <gmaxwell> I'm surprised no crazy person has tried turning back on vitamin C synthesis. it's a single SNP thats missing in the internal synthesis.... | 02:04 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRE-PzI6uZA | 02:21 |
| yoleaux | Direct Metal Laser Sintering - YouTube | 02:21 |
| kanzure | xtalmath: re: controlled substances, you may also be interested in reading the "commerce control list". | 02:28 |
| xtalmath | yeah I read NRC faq page, its controlled up to a certain amount. theres a general license, but I did not look long enough to find out if it costs money to apply for a license and if so, how much it would cost... | 02:29 |
| xtalmath | it's also unclear to what extent it can be sold internally without crossing borders. I mean the water facility is providing us all with deuterium dilution. | 02:30 |
| xtalmath | so from what purity grade on would one need to apply for a license... | 02:30 |
| xtalmath | I am considering to compare the prices of D2O of different suppliers, and to calculate how much it would cost to manufacture, since at high purity levels these things seem to cost $1k per kg or L | 02:32 |
| xtalmath | sounds lucrative | 02:32 |
| xtalmath | I would just need to rent a house near a lake or smth | 02:33 |
| xtalmath | or along a river, theres lots of riverside here in Ghent | 02:33 |
| xtalmath | also, need to check what the european regulations are, since NCR was just the first search result I took | 02:34 |
| xtalmath | I expect it to be similar | 02:34 |
| kanzure | perhaps aliexpress will sell you deuterium. | 02:36 |
| xtalmath | " A general license is issued to any person to export to any country not listed in § 110.28 or § 110.29 deuterium in individual shipments of 10 kilograms or less (50 kilograms of heavy water). No person may export more than 200 kilograms (1,000 kilograms of heavy water) per calendar year to any one country." | 02:36 |
| xtalmath | I dont search deuterium, I want to make it | 02:36 |
| xtalmath | and sell it | 02:36 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: approximate benefit of humanoid vitamin c synthesis? | 02:37 |
| xtalmath | so for every country, at current price of $1000 that means one could earn on the order of a million per year on each country that imports from you | 02:37 |
| xtalmath | minus expenses for generating it of course, but I dont see a fundamental limit on cost yet | 02:38 |
| jrayhawk | would depend on what the metabolic costs of production are | 02:38 |
| kanzure | apparently it's a single snp | 02:38 |
| kanzure | to reactivate | 02:38 |
| jrayhawk | the vitamin c doesn't appear out of nowhere | 02:38 |
| xtalmath | jrayhawk: apparently deuterium ice sinks | 02:38 |
| jrayhawk | noted! | 02:39 |
| kanzure | sure, might be overexpressed these days for all i know | 02:39 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 02:39 |
| jrayhawk | there's also a lot of pathways reliant on intermittant oxidative stress | 02:39 |
| jrayhawk | which we only vaguely understand | 02:39 |
| xtalmath | so you just electrolyse the water into hydrogen and oxygen, burn it / fuel cell it, condense it, and take bottom ice again | 02:40 |
| jrayhawk | e.g. there's studies on vitamin C blunting hypertrophy | 02:41 |
| xtalmath | perhaps condensation is enough, which can happen at room temperature in vacuum | 02:41 |
| jrayhawk | there are probably quite a lot of NRF2 signals that you could also disrupt | 02:42 |
| jrayhawk | NRF2-initiating signals | 02:42 |
| xtalmath | Im probably underestimating the cost of manufacturing though | 02:44 |
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| xtalmath | ok if I can get all D from hydrogen from water and recombine it with oxygen, I need about 7133 L of original water (according to local delta 2H) per resulting D2O. at 4 euro's per cubic meter (including VAT) that is 28.5 euros. so well below 1000. next I should calculate energy cost. energy cost probably goes up drastically if I try to get the last few D's from mostly H. so water consumption could get higher if I dont find a very | 03:05 |
| xtalmath | aiming at 1000 L per year, thats 3 L per day | 03:06 |
| xtalmath | man why did I not investigate this earlier | 03:06 |
| xtalmath | apparently nuclear industry is very silent on how cheap deuterium production really is nowadays: https://www.princeton.edu/~ramana/heavy-subsidies-in-heavy-water-epw.pdf | 03:07 |
| xtalmath | pretending its very expensive, selling it to government at inflated prices, without actually ever mentioning real costs | 03:07 |
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| xtalmath | thats a good read there! | 03:09 |
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| xtalmath | its a bit vague, on why the prices are kept high, is it just greed, or is it infosec? if very low prices appeared in the west, military of other nations might realize there is a cheap method of producing D2O... prompting a quest... | 03:11 |
| xtalmath | infosec likes to hide behind "understandable" greed though. | 03:12 |
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| Adlai | the cheapest quest would probably be reading the paper and replicating results in a third-world expense climate | 03:13 |
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| kanzure | beep | 06:23 |
| Adlai | boop | 06:23 |
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| kanzure | hello kish` | 06:42 |
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| kanzure | fine be that way | 06:43 |
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| kish` | hey kanzure | 06:54 |
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| xtalmath | I wonder what other substances (not just elements) have high abundance / price (not just as elements in earths crust, but more generally like isotopes, chemicals,... in specific carriers) yet high value (if only extraction was not expensive). things like Aluminum, or deuterium. I wonder which one has the highest "abundance"*(purified price)/(dilute price) ratio. | 07:22 |
| xtalmath | anyone know where I can find such lists? I can find silly top 15 expensive chemicals lists online, but I dont want to maximize purified price, but the ratio... | 07:24 |
| xtalmath | will the end result of widespread realization that expensive D is just in your tap water result in increased water prices, so that all water facilities basically extract deuterium before supplying to consumers? that would not make sense, since rain will still fall, and there will always be lakes and seas | 07:27 |
| xtalmath | man this is kind of a real problem | 07:28 |
| xtalmath | but then again, is it? I think they should release control on D and focus on the fissionables | 07:29 |
| xtalmath | no actually Im just interested in pure price/dilute price, scrap abundance | 07:31 |
| xtalmath | heh, its like the most lucrative thing to do is sorting (if you find a way to do it), cleaning up | 07:32 |
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| fenn | titanium | 08:13 |
| xtalmath | kanzure: are you the author of nano-engineer? | 08:28 |
| kanzure | just "maintainer" now | 08:28 |
| kanzure | pretty bad maintainer though :-) | 08:28 |
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| ryankarason | i recently went to lecture by Deep Space Industries. a company which wants to start mining space. (goal 1 is to mine water, for use in space); however, it got me thinking that once we expand our horizons beyond Earth.. the abundance of particular chemicals changes vastly. | 09:07 |
| kanzure | depends on the delivery schedule and whether the materials are cached before release | 09:08 |
| kanzure | my guess is that nobody is particularly eager to tank any market | 09:09 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=76689dbe Bryan Bishop: mention vitamin c synthesis >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ | 09:24 |
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| archels | "Reistance against crushing: driven over by a 1.5 tonne truck" | 10:01 |
| kanzure | "immunity to steamrollers" | 10:07 |
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| kanzure | an okay refutation of qualia https://www.reddit.com/r/neuro/comments/3fa5kh/how_does_our_conciousness_experience_emotion/ctnswkx | 11:41 |
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| kanzure | i wonder what would happen if you inserted an adult dog kidney into a developing, healthy dog fetus | 15:02 |
| kanzure | er, pick a breed where the sizes work | 15:02 |
| kanzure | hm nevermind, size would never work | 15:03 |
| kanzure | why aren't neurosurgeons dunking their patients' brains in fresh neural tube matter anyway | 15:05 |
| FourFire | neural tube matter? | 15:21 |
| yoleaux | 4 Aug 2015 01:28Z <nmz787_i> FourFire: why not just use a salt-water algae? | 15:21 |
| gradstudentbot | These findings indicate that extensive genetic engineering of human hematopoiesis can be achieved with lentiviral vectors. | 15:22 |
| drethelin | where do you get fresh neural tube matter | 15:22 |
| FourFire | what's the proper message command? | 15:22 |
| FourFire | ~note nmz787 | 15:23 |
| FourFire | .tell nmz787, because then you'd need to isolate your open water pools from the ground with waterproofing, and that's going to cost lots of money (or you just salt lots of land area, which is bad) | 15:24 |
| yoleaux | FourFire: What kind of a name is "nmz787,"?! | 15:24 |
| FourFire | .tell nmz787_* because then you'd need to isolate your open water pools from the ground with waterproofing, and that's going to cost lots of money (or you just salt lots of land area, which is bad) | 15:25 |
| yoleaux | FourFire: What kind of a name is "nmz787_*"?! | 15:25 |
| FourFire | is that just what it says? | 15:25 |
| chris_99 | i think the , or _* screwed it | 15:32 |
| chris_99 | maybe ommit those | 15:32 |
| chris_99 | .tell chris_99 test | 15:35 |
| yoleaux | chris_99: Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. | 15:35 |
| chris_99 | heh | 15:35 |
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| CaptHindsight | .tell chris_99 he is not crazy | 15:41 |
| yoleaux | CaptHindsight: I'll pass your message to chris_99. | 15:41 |
| chris_99 | haha | 15:41 |
| yoleaux | 22:43Z <CaptHindsight> chris_99: he is not crazy | 15:41 |
| FourFire | .tell nmz787 because then you'd need to isolate your open water pools from the ground with waterproofing, and that's going to cost lots of money (or you just salt lots of land area, which is bad) | 15:44 |
| yoleaux | FourFire: I'll pass your message to nmz787. | 15:44 |
| FourFire | .tell nmz787 Also if you're going to go to trouble isolating your water from the ground, you might as well just have (plexi)glass tubes | 15:45 |
| yoleaux | FourFire: I'll pass your message to nmz787. | 15:45 |
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| chris_99 | http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/advanced-cars/building-bloodhound-the-fastest-car-in-the-world | 16:00 |
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| irctc841 | hi | 17:16 |
| irctc841 | http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=8421781 | 17:17 |
| kanzure | .title | 17:18 |
| yoleaux | Science Magazine: Sign In | 17:18 |
| irctc841 | AN INHIBITOR OF P34CDC28 PROTEIN KINASE ACTIVITY FROM SACCHAROMYCES CEREVISIAE | 17:20 |
| CaptHindsight | http://phys.org/news/2012-10-optical-tweezers-sub-nanoscale-precision-processand.html | 17:20 |
| CaptHindsight | Optical tweezers and sub-nanoscale precision: Following the process—and the consequence—of RNA folding | 17:20 |
| CaptHindsight | Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-10-optical-tweezers-sub-nanoscale-precision-processand.html#jCp | 17:20 |
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| kanzure | nobody has blown up the world yet, what gives | 19:08 |
| c0rw1n | quantum immortality, d00d | 19:19 |
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| justanotheruser | c0rw1n: thanks to quantum immortality you will stay alive for eternity suffocating in the heat death of the universe | 19:34 |
| c0rw1n | pretty sure that's not how that works | 19:34 |
| justanotheruser | oh really? | 19:34 |
| c0rw1n | yeah | 19:36 |
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| drethelin | thanks to Denial, I'm immortal! | 19:44 |
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| kanzure | where did i hear that line from | 20:11 |
| kanzure | ah, futurama | 20:12 |
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| ryankarason | thanks to quantum theory, I'm immortal. in order to be sure I am dead, I must observe I am dead, but if I am what is defined as dead I cannot perform the action of observation. | 20:42 |
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