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| xtalmath | kanzure: so then you know the nano-engineer code base pretty well? | 01:06 |
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| kanzure | xtalmath: eh, i suppose | 03:46 |
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| xtalmath | is it complicated? are there manuals/papers on the algorithms used? | 03:47 |
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| kanzure | no manuals and no papers, used to be a wiki but if i have a copy then it's not deployed | 04:02 |
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| kanzure | it's pretty poorly written though | 04:12 |
| kanzure | no separation of gui and non-gui components | 04:12 |
| kanzure | not enough unit testing | 04:12 |
| kanzure | why don't we have any figurehead promoting the "proteins are molecular nanotechnology, you fools!" propaganda line? | 04:17 |
| kanzure | surely there should be at least one person smearing smalley and drexler's face in that | 04:18 |
| xtalmath | when is was at the end of high school around 2004 or so I was dreaming of exactly this nanoengineer software kind of thing, I wish I discovered it then | 04:23 |
| xtalmath | I wanted to design at molecular level, but my chemistry is still bad, and went off to study physics at uni | 04:24 |
| archels | kanzure: because it's rather a different type of beast than what the Drexler crowd is after? Cogs and pistons and assembly lines versus a biological soup. | 04:27 |
| xtalmath | I think both approaches need to be explored | 04:28 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer was started around 2004 hehe | 04:30 |
| kanzure | archels: you can make those with proteins | 04:30 |
| xtalmath | kanzure: what is its history? I see no wikipedia page etc | 04:30 |
| kanzure | nanorex was a company developing nanoengineer from 2004 to 2008 | 04:30 |
| kanzure | dumping in about $1M/year in development expenses | 04:30 |
| kanzure | when nanorex shutdown, i asked them if they would apply an open-source license and give me everything and they said sure | 04:31 |
| xtalmath | does it support 'templates' / features ? like structures of bulk, and plane patterns etc? perhaps functional like OpenSCAD? | 04:32 |
| xtalmath | kanzure: it is good you did that | 04:32 |
| kanzure | i hate openscad with a fiery passion | 04:32 |
| xtalmath | :) | 04:32 |
| kanzure | but no at the moment it does not afaik | 04:32 |
| kanzure | for cad i highly recommend using something like verbnurbs, solvespace, brlcad or otherwise just use solidworks | 04:33 |
| kanzure | i was planning on eventually porting nanoengineer stuff into lolcad (my own nurbs cad kernel library) but that hasn't happened yet | 04:33 |
| kanzure | and opencascade is almost entirely worthless http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade/ | 04:34 |
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| kanzure | xtalmath: technologiclee made a few tutorials about using nanoengineer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqfXzTrwI3c | 04:38 |
| xtalmath | i was just watching that, but somewhere in the middle only sound goes on | 04:39 |
| xtalmath | might be my player or smth | 04:39 |
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| kanzure | there's audio. | 04:42 |
| kanzure | here is one without audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_seYUz9tfo | 04:42 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj6ObJWRuq8 | 04:44 |
| yoleaux | mechanosynthesis with penta-adamantane - YouTube | 04:44 |
| kanzure | eww he was using blender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhoe_OLaqSY | 04:44 |
| archels | we don't like Blender? | 04:46 |
| xtalmath | http://rosettadesigngroup.org/workshops/RCW2008/presentations/RosettaCon2008-Nanorex.pdf hm | 04:46 |
| kanzure | blender is just not cad | 04:46 |
| xtalmath | the video without audio was awesome | 04:46 |
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| archels | mhm. ymmv | 04:47 |
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| kanzure | ah that's right you are modeling neurons in blender | 04:49 |
| kanzure | enjoy your bag of triangles | 04:49 |
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| xtalmath | the wiki is probably findable: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.nanorex.com | 04:52 |
| archels | but, but, I like triangles | 04:53 |
| xtalmath | nah nothing | 04:54 |
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| kanzure | xtalmath: i probably have a backup of that wiki, but it's not presently available online | 05:13 |
| xtalmath | it is for interface specifically, or the wiki might also contain documented algorithms? how can the algorithms be improved / corrected / optimized if they are not documented? | 05:14 |
| kanzure | not sure what algorithms you think are involveed | 05:14 |
| kanzure | all of the simulation stuff was just gromacs and nanodynamics and nanohive | 05:14 |
| xtalmath | orbitals or smth? | 05:14 |
| xtalmath | oh | 05:15 |
| xtalmath | so it is an interface to used with gromacs etc backends? | 05:15 |
| justanotheruser | is nanoengineer even worth maintaining? | 05:15 |
| justanotheruser | or would it be better just to write an alternative from scratch | 05:15 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: would be better to do a rewrite + cannabalize | 05:16 |
| kanzure | xtalmath: gromacs is only used for the simulation portion. the cad modeling is custom. | 05:16 |
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| xtalmath | gromacs/nanodynamics/nanohive are included, or dependencies? | 05:17 |
| kanzure | gromacs is a separate dependency | 05:17 |
| kanzure | nanohive/nanodynamics are included i think | 05:17 |
| kanzure | wellll not a dependency, more like a plugin that can be ccalled. but not a plugin. just a third-party tool. another library to use. | 05:19 |
| xtalmath | yeah, like choosing a compiler | 05:29 |
| justanotheruser | xtalmath: did you find this channel through reddit? | 05:32 |
| kanzure | hackaday. | 05:33 |
| xtalmath | is it possible to generate equation of state from a molecule design? | 05:34 |
| justanotheruser | ah. I ask because I found this channel when trying to find out what life nanoengineer had and found out that you were the "maintainer" | 05:34 |
| justanotheruser | linked on reddit | 05:34 |
| xtalmath | justanotheruser: no, I found it through HAD | 05:34 |
| xtalmath | justanotheruser: I am not the maintainer, kanzure is | 05:34 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: pretty sure we met through bitcoin | 05:34 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I guarantee not | 05:35 |
| justanotheruser | I was in this channel before it was #bitcoin cool | 05:36 |
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| justanotheruser | http://www.reddit.com/r/nanotech/comments/153l6g/how_close_or_far_away_are_we_from_reaching_eric_k/c7m0mhw | 05:39 |
| justanotheruser | some time after december 2012 I joined, that's all I know | 05:39 |
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| kanzure | wow someone read the readme wtf | 05:57 |
| xtalmath | ah here it is https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/content/ | 05:59 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: you have a copy of the wiki still? | 06:14 |
| justanotheruser | Seems like something that would be good to host on the diyhpl.us wiki | 06:15 |
| gradstudentbot | I really like him, but some of his work is really problematic. | 06:15 |
| kanzure | yes i have a copy of the wiki somewhere | 06:20 |
| eudoxia | gradstudentbot has caught up with the times :) | 06:31 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's significant. | 06:31 |
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| xtalmath | I wonder if molecular dynamics software can calculate chemical reaction rates? | 07:12 |
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| fenn | wish more hackerspaces were like this: http://www.makeitlabs.com/about/equipment/ | 07:23 |
| kanzure | you mean an inventory | 07:31 |
| kanzure | very high bar there | 07:32 |
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| fenn | "there should be at least one person smearing smalley and drexler's face in that" <- smalley's dead and drexler is saying "proteins are molecular nanotechnology, you fools!" on his blog | 07:55 |
| eudoxia | yeah drexler's already caved | 08:00 |
| eudoxia | rip diamond mnt 1992-2015 | 08:00 |
| fenn | Upon his death, the US Senate passed a resolution to honor Smalley, crediting him as the “Father of Nanotechnology.” | 08:00 |
| fenn | but we've always been at war with mechanosynthesis | 08:01 |
| eudoxia | aaaaa | 08:01 |
| eudoxia | another reason to nuke congress today | 08:01 |
| kanzure | hmm well i'm glad drexler came around i guess | 08:01 |
| kanzure | but why don't we have protein legos yet? | 08:01 |
| kanzure | too expensive to have that many binding pairs custom synthesized? | 08:02 |
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| JayDugger | "fenn: but we've always been at war with mechanosynthesis" awesome. | 08:04 |
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| delinquentme | https://www.flickr.com/photos/59431731@N05/albums Album of really cool peacock spiders | 08:18 |
| delinquentme | If anyone wants to start a synthetic bio startup and engineering these little guys I'm totally down for it. ... Also orchids. | 08:18 |
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| delinquentme | Pursue truly modular genomics. : how to change displayed colors, petal counts other design-level morphology | 08:19 |
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| delinquentme | "A "True" HEPA Filters's efficiency DOES NOT decrease during it's life, it actually increases and its also known as an ABSOLUTE type filter media for particle capturing." | 09:13 |
| delinquentme | this cant be right.. | 09:13 |
| delinquentme | never mind. lol | 09:13 |
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| CaptHindsight | "The fact that two different chemical combinations are able to transform skin cells into neurons suggests that this technique can compete with gene insertions for cellular reprogramming" http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2015/08/chemical-treatment-transforms-skin-cells-neurons | 10:42 |
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| kanzure | huh? | 11:02 |
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| kanzure | you can replace queens in a bee hive and everyone's okay with that? alright.. | 11:11 |
| xtalmath | CaptHindsight: what does that even mean? something like transcription factors? | 11:21 |
| kanzure | well it's probably talking about oct8 and such | 11:28 |
| kanzure | "compete with gene insertions" is ambiguous | 11:29 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: also it would be interesting to see if mutant toxoplasma gondii could do anything interesting with whale brain matter (there's a lot of it), or octopus brain matter (not as much but that can be easily fixed with a few generations of octopus egg selection) | 11:34 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: particularly, the greater brain mass means there could be more cysts or at least more bacteria to find weird places to try to pinch or influence. | 11:35 |
| kanzure | s/greater brain mass/greater brain volume | 11:35 |
| kanzure | octopus would be more useful because what are you going to do with a smart whale anyway | 11:39 |
| drethelin | hire them to do mathematics research | 11:47 |
| drethelin | the problem with octopi is lifespan | 11:48 |
| drethelin | hmm | 11:48 |
| drethelin | intelligent whales can be used as deep sea research helpers | 11:48 |
| drethelin | or for military applications | 11:48 |
| drethelin | they live for a long time and have a good memory so they can also remember codes and possible overhear submarines | 11:48 |
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| xtalmath | good memory... perhaps mine maidsafe coins | 12:05 |
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| drethelin | oh, if the oceans survive a meteor impact or nuclear war maybe whales can be a repository of cultural infomration | 12:14 |
| kanzure | drethelin: making a clever nooted-up creature with almost zero communication bandwidth seems like a form of torture | 12:14 |
| xtalmath | heh | 12:15 |
| drethelin | don't whales have nearly as high bandwidth as us? | 12:15 |
| drethelin | they sing and talk to each other | 12:15 |
| kanzure | i guess they can scream | 12:15 |
| kanzure | er, sing | 12:15 |
| drethelin | I guess they can't read/write | 12:15 |
| kanzure | but so far we haven't been able to use talking as a high-bandwidth method of interacting with computers (i mean... except for some proprietary junk) | 12:16 |
| xtalmath | they can modulate water spouting? | 12:16 |
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| xtalmath | perhaps we can use them to spout water back into the mediterranean? | 12:17 |
| kanzure | octopus optical skin modulation seems like a sufficiently high-bandwidth communication method to have available | 12:17 |
| xtalmath | i wonder to what extent it can control individual "pixels" or if it really has just a couple of signals under control. (consider a 2d intensity plot of a*sin(x^2+y^2)+b*cos(x^2+y^2). it could look impressive but only have 2 signals as a function of time a(t) and b(t)... | 12:21 |
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| xtalmath | if they could talk we could ask them to draw specific patterns | 12:23 |
| kanzure | there was a paper about this somewhere.... one sec. | 12:25 |
| kanzure | maybe http://www.mbl.edu/pspb/files/2014/05/sutherland_opt_soc08a.pdf | 12:25 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRv0J4aEoC4 | 12:25 |
| kanzure | also, backyardbrains hooked up some chromatophores and skin to an oscilloscope or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-OVrI9x8Zs | 12:27 |
| kanzure | this might be less annoying http://news.backyardbrains.com/2012/08/insane-in-the-chromatophores/ | 12:27 |
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| kanzure | there was something published about how chromatophore coloration changes were really just the octopus squeezing or clenching in different ways, it was under motor control | 12:31 |
| kanzure | perhaps http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00216498 | 12:31 |
| kanzure | "Cephalopod chromatophores are made of a central pigment cell surrounded by 10 to 20 radially arranged muscle fibres under direct nervous control. Innervation of these muscle fibres was studied with anterograde cobalt fills of peripheral nerve bundles and light and electron microscopy. Individual axons branch repeatedly to innervate the muscles of chromatophores scattered over several millimeters. Axons contained in several dermal nerves ... | 12:32 |
| kanzure | ... converge to innervate the same chromatophores. Among the chromaophores, axons were found running either singly or in small bundles, often accompanied by sheath cells. Single chromatophore muscles were innervated by at least one axon running across or along its length. Since nerves terminating on chromatophore muscles are very rare, neuromuscular contact seems to be made “en passant”. Varicosities of the axons apposed to the ... | 12:32 |
| kanzure | ... muscles are thought to be presynaptic sites. However, morphological differentiations of the pre-or post-synaptic membranes were not visible. Two types of innervating processes were found containing either electron-clear or a mixture of electron-clear and dark-core synaptic vesicles." | 12:32 |
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| CaptHindsight | xtalmath: looks like it from the actual paper http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1934590915003057 | 12:39 |
| xtalmath | kanzure: that is amazing | 12:39 |
| xtalmath | that second video says "For our friends in Germany, we uploaded to Vimeo as well https://vimeo.com/48183535" in the description. no youtube in germany? | 12:43 |
| kanzure | dpk: ping | 12:47 |
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| nmz787_w | .title http://www.paulvanouse.com/dwpcr.html | 13:02 |
| yoleaux | Deep Woods PCR | 13:02 |
| nmz787_w | "During thermocycling, I attempt to channel Mullis. The fluorescent green raccoon in the adjacent image, played by Rafael Vanouse, repeatedly chants “amplify the source, not the signal.” The phrase refers to the genius of PCR for DNA analysis. Prior to PCR, scientists seeking to visually analyze DNA fragments needed to radioactively label target sequences and typically they sought better imaging apparatus or stronger r | 13:04 |
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| nmz787_w | " on the other hand, realizes that DNA regions could be amplified exponentially by successively initiating the DNA transcription process and thus greatly enhance any imaging or analytical process. In his autobiography, Mullis credits frequent LSD experimentation as central to his own personal and scientific development. He also describes a subsequent, enigmatic, deep-woods abduction by a flourescent, extra-terestrial racco | 13:04 |
| nmz787_w | tor". | 13:04 |
| nmz787_w | I'm not sure that "amplify the source, not the signal" is a very good chant.... the latter noun should be noise, not signal | 13:04 |
| nmz787_w | or something | 13:05 |
| nmz787_w | amplify the signal, not the noise | 13:05 |
| nmz787_w | or... amplify the signal, not the whole | 13:05 |
| nmz787_w | "First, I incubated water from the famed natural hotsprings of the Banff region hoping to discover living Thermus Acquaticus bacteria in its warm, sulfuric waters. " | 13:08 |
| nmz787_w | "My hunch of the bacteria’s presence proved correct, but incubation proved slow at the campsite as the available incubator couldn’t hold the 70 degree Celsius, ideal temperature for incubation, nor could it agitate the samples to facilitate their respiration and colony formation. Thus, the Taq enzyme used in the subsequent experiment wasn’t the same as that which I fished out. (Alas, I think this may be the basis of | 13:08 |
| ParahSailin_ | wow, just get taq from atcc | 13:08 |
| nmz787_w | he was in the canadian rockies | 13:11 |
| ParahSailin_ | "An iPod plays music by converting digital music to a small current that it sends to tiny magnets in the earbuds. The magnets are connected to cones that vibrate and produce sound." wait i thought it was piezos | 13:11 |
| ParahSailin_ | magnets is for speakers significantly larger than the earhole | 13:12 |
| nmz787_w | i've taken apart earbuds and can verify they are sometimes voice coils | 13:12 |
| nmz787_w | they have a LOT of wirelength in those tiny things | 13:12 |
| nmz787_w | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDM0wxuGiEo | 13:12 |
| yoleaux | Paul Vanouse, Deep Woods PCR - YouTube | 13:12 |
| nmz787_w | 30 mins | 13:13 |
| gradstudentbot | I was sponsored by George Church. That is, until I fell through the wormhole at the far end of the lab. | 13:13 |
| ParahSailin_ | wow ok | 13:13 |
| dpk | xtalmath, kanzure: probably to do with the blocking of videos with copyrighted music in Germany | 13:15 |
| dpk | .wik GEMA Youtube dispute | 13:15 |
| yoleaux | dpk: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. | 13:15 |
| dpk | bah | 13:15 |
| dpk | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_YouTube_videos_in_Germany | 13:15 |
| xtalmath | ParahSailin_: I have never seen earbuds with piezo's inside, except for the old crystal radio sets. normal headphones use coils, i have never seen piezo's in them, although it's been a while since I opened some, so perhaps nowadays they found a way to get bass from piezo? | 13:20 |
| gradstudentbot | That's not really surprising since they did it ex vivo. | 13:21 |
| nmz787_w | chris_99: you're on hackaday again! http://hackaday.com/2015/08/07/hacker-reads-magnetic-stripe-card-with-flatbed-scanner/ | 13:23 |
| nmz787_w | second time in what, 3 months??? | 13:23 |
| xtalmath | lol, scam alert "Conversely, it can be questioned how much of this lost revenue would have actually benefitted GEMA members, given that licencing agreements in other territories are subject to a confidentiality agreement that prevents even the membership of the collecting societies from knowing the royalty rates." | 13:23 |
| chris_99 | :) nmz787 btw, did you ever get your blue spectrometer to work btw? | 13:24 |
| xtalmath | chris_99: you could probably use that to recover data from HDD after head crashes? with microscope? I think people pay much for data back. | 13:29 |
| chris_99 | the iron powder seems far too big, even for a floppy disk i think | 13:30 |
| xtalmath | perhaps theres a nanoparticle version? | 13:31 |
| chris_99 | possibly, it was you who mentioned the kerr effect to me i think? i got the book you mentioned | 13:31 |
| nmz787_w | chris_99: not yet, but I /did/ setup my office shelf and unpack a bunch of boxes onto it last weekend... one of which was that spectrometer. As I recall you wanted me to image something... beer maybe? | 13:32 |
| chris_99 | cool :) yeah even water compared to whisky | 13:32 |
| chris_99 | or something | 13:32 |
| chris_99 | would be great | 13:32 |
| chris_99 | i regret paying for the kickstarter SCiO thing, i should have just got the blue spectrometer | 13:33 |
| xtalmath | ah yes was me | 13:35 |
| chris_99 | in that book theres a diagram of a laser pointer polariser and PIN photodiode | 13:35 |
| chris_99 | might try that | 13:35 |
| chris_99 | (for the kerr effect) | 13:35 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/photos/guinea-vaccines-large2.jpg?ua=1 | 13:36 |
| delinquentme | apparently the use jet fuel to keep these things cold | 13:36 |
| delinquentme | I'm wondering if this is because of thermal load + thermal stability | 13:37 |
| delinquentme | possibly also geographic availability | 13:37 |
| gradstudentbot | Am I going to be first author? | 13:37 |
| delinquentme | but I find it really curious that there aren't more alternatives | 13:37 |
| gradstudentbot | Friends don't let friends go to super school. | 13:38 |
| erasmus | or Walmart. | 13:42 |
| xtalmath | "A common way of viewing blocked videos in Germany is to use browser add-ons that fake a foreign IP address," uh what? how does a browser fake an IP? | 13:43 |
| chris_99 | heh, i guess it just means proxy | 13:43 |
| xtalmath | no because next sentence is "Another way is to go through a foreign proxy or VPN server, such as Hotspot Shield, CyberGhost, or Spotflux. " | 13:43 |
| chris_99 | oh weird | 13:43 |
| xtalmath | totally! | 13:43 |
| kanzure | wikipedia wrong? tell me it isn't so. | 13:44 |
| xtalmath | it is, but I am too lazy to fix it. unless it isn't and I need to relearn computer networks a bit | 13:45 |
| kanzure | plus your change will be reverted anyway, because there's more journalists that have printed the wrong thing than the right thing | 13:46 |
| chris_99 | haha | 13:46 |
| chris_99 | i wonder if the wikpedia xml dumps have all the versions, so you can see how many times things have been reverted | 13:47 |
| xtalmath | if money is protected by copyright, then how is counterfeit illegal in countries that do not recognize copyright? | 13:47 |
| xtalmath | chris_99: I think you can choose which kind of dump | 13:48 |
| * xtalmath has an old copy lying around somewhere in case internet is broken | 13:48 | |
| chris_99 | heh good plan | 13:50 |
| xtalmath | it's just download once kind of effort, without having to turn into some kind of prepper | 13:51 |
| chris_99 | you were right about iron nanoparticles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoscale_iron_particles they dont actually look that hard to make from the formulae | 13:52 |
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| chris_99 | hmm you can get 35-45 nm for £50 for 5g | 13:54 |
| xtalmath | what is the current Gbpsi of HDD? | 13:57 |
| chris_99 | 'In 2014 Seagate introduced a hard drive at a density of 848 Gbit/in²' | 13:58 |
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| xtalmath | uh, is that like squares of 25.4 nm side ? | 14:02 |
| xtalmath | that seems way beyond diffraction limit | 14:02 |
| chris_99 | you mean squares of 25.4nm for each bit? | 14:06 |
| xtalmath | yes | 14:06 |
| xtalmath | (I used 1000 Gbps for easier calc) | 14:06 |
| chris_99 | i'll try and find out | 14:07 |
| xtalmath | at HDD rpm, the head is detecting the modulation ... how? | 14:07 |
| xtalmath | I must have made mistake somewhere | 14:07 |
| xtalmath | I seem to remember something about heating to expand the area before reading, but I think that was optical media | 14:08 |
| chris_99 | that was with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingled_magnetic_recording i'm not sure what that means yet though | 14:08 |
| xtalmath | ah yeah, its just that reading heads can already read thinner than write heads | 14:10 |
| xtalmath | so with a wide brush you can still make thin lines | 14:11 |
| chris_99 | ah | 14:11 |
| xtalmath | but then it would need to record multiple tracks before writing | 14:11 |
| xtalmath | and rewrite the damaged tracks | 14:12 |
| xtalmath | shingles are like part of the roof | 14:13 |
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| xtalmath | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-assisted_magnetic_recording | 14:14 |
| chris_99 | theres also a mageto-optical version i think | 14:14 |
| xtalmath | Zip? | 14:14 |
| chris_99 | is that what zip was | 14:15 |
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| xtalmath | apparently not, its some kind of "superfloppy" | 14:24 |
| xtalmath | something between floppy and HDD, it had voice coil, but flaccid platter | 14:24 |
| xtalmath | really strange, and the heads would fly over the disk, but without Bernoulli effect | 14:25 |
| chris_99 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto-optical_drive | 14:25 |
| xtalmath | right it was MiniDisk | 14:26 |
| chris_99 | i thought minidisk was a CD | 14:26 |
| chris_99 | i mean purely optical | 14:26 |
| chris_99 | oh apparently not | 14:26 |
| xtalmath | heh seems the needed Kerr effect setup is present in minidisk | 14:33 |
| chris_99 | haha | 14:36 |
| chris_99 | that's a good point... | 14:36 |
| chris_99 | they're going cheap on fleabay too | 14:38 |
| xtalmath | also, when using this to read platters, be careful to read at low power settings, perhaps the platter must spin, as a focused spot may demagnetize the bit unintentionally | 14:39 |
| chris_99 | mmm yeah | 14:39 |
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| nmz787_w | heh, I might still have a minidisk player in a box somewhere | 14:40 |
| xtalmath | you doing this for fun or keeping potential income in mind? | 14:40 |
| nmz787_w | and some minidisks with what I imagine is full of teenage angst | 14:40 |
| nmz787_w | (music) | 14:40 |
| xtalmath | also not sure how good it would work on different kerr effect materials | 14:40 |
| chris_99 | just for fun | 14:40 |
| xtalmath | perhaps try and cross the optics with blu ray laser and lenses, to see if you can read smaller spot size then | 14:42 |
| chris_99 | one thing i was wondering, could you read multiple bits at a time? | 14:42 |
| chris_99 | if you used an image sensor | 14:42 |
| xtalmath | chris_99: yes, in that book there is images of that | 14:43 |
| chris_99 | cool, i haven't read the kerr section completely | 14:43 |
| xtalmath | its also used in mineralogy or metallurgy to inspect materials, in microscopes | 14:43 |
| xtalmath | so dont necessarily need image sensor | 14:43 |
| chris_99 | i've got a metallurgical microscope, maybe i can hack it | 14:43 |
| xtalmath | I know little about metallurgical microscopes, so I don't know what kinds there are | 14:44 |
| xtalmath | if it has a kerr effect mode, then you could try and keep a whole minidisk above it Curie point, and try wave a magnet to see realtime influence of the magnet! | 14:46 |
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| xtalmath | also, how does a modern HDD write head work? can't imagine it is a coil | 14:47 |
| chris_99 | good question | 14:48 |
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| xtalmath | I don't believe they can control magnetic fields at this scale, so I assume they use something similar to the minidisk, heating a thin section, such that the wide field only influences that section above the Curie point | 14:52 |
| xtalmath | "Seagate introduced TMR heads featuring integrated microscopic heater coils to control the shape of the transducer region of the head during operation. The heater can be activated prior to the start of a write operation to ensure proximity of the write pole to the disk/medium." | 14:52 |
| xtalmath | hmm, I think heat (in the form of colliding molecules, not radiative heat) is easier to focus than light | 14:54 |
| xtalmath | how how close is the write head to the platter? is that like molecular flow regime? | 14:54 |
| xtalmath | perhaps it heats incoming air stream, then forces it into a thin jet? while draw cool air on the sides? | 14:55 |
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| drewbug | paperbot is totally dead, right? | 16:06 |
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| phillyj | is paperbot no longer active? | 17:48 |
| kanzure | paperbot will return one day, once some bugs are fixed by someone | 17:48 |
| phillyj | cool | 17:49 |
| phillyj | hey, anyone worked with the oxford tech nanopore miniION? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | i don't have one | 17:49 |
| phillyj | lol | 17:50 |
| phillyj | Mega wants to seq a genome | 17:51 |
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| phillyj | I was thinking we could make this a group effort | 17:54 |
| phillyj | a first of its kind? | 17:54 |
| kanzure | afaik it wouldn't be a first | 17:55 |
| kanzure | anyway, genome sequencing is like <$1k why does this need to be a group thing | 17:56 |
| phillyj | a first for DIYbio, i mean | 17:57 |
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| kanzure | phillyj: i think a good project would be something about graverobbing | 18:12 |
| kanzure | check if you have any interesting people in graves nearby | 18:12 |
| kanzure | i might be interested in paying for sequencing of their genomic material | 18:13 |
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| phillyj | sarcasm? | 18:13 |
| kanzure | no | 18:13 |
| kanzure | there's lots of interesting dead people with interesting genomes | 18:14 |
| kanzure | apparently they were foolish enough to bury leibniz | 18:21 |
| kanzure | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neust%C3%A4dter_Kirche,_Hanover | 18:21 |
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| ryankarason | i'll support the project :) | 18:31 |
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| kanzure | yashgaroth: since i hadn't showed you the nootropics thing, i must ask whether i have shown you the cryonics thing? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | *shown you | 19:02 |
| yashgaroth | not that I can recall, no | 19:03 |
| kanzure | are you familiar with cryonics | 19:03 |
| yashgaroth | sure | 19:04 |
| kanzure | instead of iterating on cryopreservation methods, we should also be (selectively) iterating on the organisms that we are attempting to preserve and resuscitate | 19:04 |
| yashgaroth | ahhh yes I remember this | 19:04 |
| kanzure | kk | 19:04 |
| kanzure | probably the two methods could be combined (just not for nootropics) | 19:05 |
| yashgaroth | you mean toxo and cryopreservation? | 19:08 |
| kanzure | well, not necessarily toxo- it's not just brain matter that need shelp | 19:09 |
| yashgaroth | brains are the tough part for cryo though | 19:09 |
| kanzure | mike darwin claims that brains can tolerate up to 60% frozen-as-in-ice and recover | 19:10 |
| yashgaroth | depends how that 60% is distributed, if it's not freeze-lysing the actual neurons and just the interstitial space then sure | 19:11 |
| yashgaroth | also "tolerate" and "recover" are rather vague terms, esp. when speaking about brains | 19:11 |
| kanzure | hm. | 19:12 |
| kanzure | yes i should get a reference out of him about this anyway | 19:12 |
| yashgaroth | what ever happened with alcor and ted williams' frozen head anyway | 19:13 |
| kanzure | i forget | 19:14 |
| yashgaroth | also per your earlier comments, cuttlefish I believe have very large brains, at least relative to other octopodes, also they can change colors and are apparently delicious | 19:16 |
| kanzure | hmm. | 19:17 |
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| delinquentme | TIL we can synthesize glucose from fat | 22:56 |
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| delinquentme | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-t6UiBO6i9b8/TwY9PdVUxgI/AAAAAAAAAYs/jLCJeNdfplo/s320/TCA+Cycle+No+Synthesis.png | 22:56 |
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