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| xtalmath | "Lick tiny object to discern if fossil/rock. Fossil. Sticks to tongue. Coughing fit from dust. Sharp inhale. Swallow fossil." how does licking determine this? | 03:15 |
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| kanzure | hm | 04:27 |
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| kanzure | "Ageria: Developing foods beneficial to health and longevity; Aranex Biotech: Creating a Peanut without allergens; BioCellection: Creating an ocean-friendly fish-farming feed that provide the nutritional requirements of commercially farmed fish without relying on by-catch or trawler-caught fish produce; Efflorus: Producing high-value fragrance compounds from micro-organisms; GlowDX: Creating a diagnostic DNA computer for neglected ... | 05:15 |
| kanzure | ... tropical disease; PiLi: Developing colours for manufactures from natural sources that won’t hurt the planet or customers’ pockets; Prospective Research Inc: Working on a revolutionary way to discover new medicines from Streptomyces; Saphium: Designing bioplastic-producing algae that eat CO2 and release cheaply-purifiable plastic granules, ready for big or small manufacturing including 3D printing; Sothic Bioscience: Aiming to ... | 05:15 |
| kanzure | ... save the Horseshoe Crab by creating artificial Limulus Blood;" | 05:15 |
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| kanzure | .wik cantor dust | 09:22 |
| yoleaux | "In mathematics, the Cantor set is a set of points lying on a single line segment that has a number of remarkable and deep properties. It was discovered in 1874 by Henry John Stephen Smith and introduced by German mathematician Georg Cantor in 1883." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_dust | 09:22 |
| kanzure | https://sites.google.com/site/xxcantorxdustxx/visual-re | 09:23 |
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| JayDugger | Really... | 09:25 |
| JayDugger | That's pretty looking, at least. | 09:25 |
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| JayDugger | Battelle's real enough, and they've done visualization work in the past. | 09:28 |
| JayDugger | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bM3Gut1hIk | 09:28 |
| JayDugger | .wik starlight visualization system | 09:33 |
| yoleaux | JayDugger: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. | 09:33 |
| JayDugger | .wik starlight information visualization system | 09:33 |
| yoleaux | "Starlight is a software product originally developed at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and now by Future Point Systems. It is an advanced visual analysis environment." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlight_Information_Visualization_System | 09:33 |
| JayDugger | Bad bot. zero snacks. | 09:33 |
| JayDugger | I thought that was Battelle, too. Either my memory's gone to mush, or more likely, the article was wrong. | 09:34 |
| gradstudentbot | Protip: don't trust random pipette tips laying around. | 09:37 |
| kanzure | didn't know about the x86emu plugin for ida | 09:44 |
| JayDugger | Tracked down this: https://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-12/Arsenal/Domas/_cantor.dust_.7z.zip | 09:45 |
| kanzure | good video | 09:58 |
| kanzure | let's dump some dna or amino acid sequences into that | 10:00 |
| JayDugger | Battelle might be doing that. | 10:00 |
| JayDugger | At least their PR flacks hint so. | 10:00 |
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| JayDugger | http://www.battelle.org/our-work/health-analytics/data-analytics | 10:01 |
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| JayDugger | https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/speakers/Christopher-Domas.html | 10:02 |
| JayDugger | What the author did this last week. | 10:03 |
| kanzure | might be https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole | 10:03 |
| JayDugger | https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/speakers/Christopher-Domas.html | 10:06 |
| JayDugger | Shit. | 10:06 |
| JayDugger | https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/..cantor.dust.. | 10:06 |
| JayDugger | Bad human. zero snacks. | 10:07 |
| JayDugger | Empty, though. | 10:07 |
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| chris_99 | Can anyone recommend any big chemical companies out of interest other than http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/ | 13:03 |
| yashgaroth | thermo fisher sells everything, including chemicals | 13:07 |
| chris_99 | cheers i'll have a look (i'm in the UK) | 13:08 |
| chris_99 | seems they have UK brances | 13:09 |
| chris_99 | *branches | 13:09 |
| yashgaroth | yeah they're everywhere, also a lot less assholish than sigma when it comes to ordering chems | 13:10 |
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| chris_99 | ah neat! | 13:10 |
| chris_99 | i noticed alibaba/express have what i want too (iron nanoparticles) | 13:11 |
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| delinquentme | faaaaak | 13:27 |
| delinquentme | when you find a link to a serum free media that will grow your cells... then fucking lose it | 13:28 |
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| archels | .wa is (1/phi) in the Cantor set? | 14:17 |
| yoleaux | archels: Sorry, no result! | 14:17 |
| archels | .wa (1/phi) | 14:17 |
| yoleaux | 1/phi: Plots: http://is.gd/c0ISjI; http://is.gd/M3MjD5; Roots: (no roots exist); Property as a function: odd; Derivative: d/dphi(1/phi) = -1/phi²; Indefinite integral: integral 1/phi dphi = log(phi)+constant; Limit: lim_(phi->±infinity) 1/phi = 0; Series representation: 1/phi = sum_(n=0)^infinity (-1)^n (-1+phi)^n for abs(1-phi)<1 | 14:17 |
| archels | grm | 14:18 |
| archels | .wa (1/golden ratio) | 14:18 |
| yoleaux | 1/phi: Decimal approximation: 0.618033988749894848204586834365638117720309179805762862135448...; Alternate forms: 1/2 (sqrt(5)-1); 2/(1+sqrt(5)); sqrt(5)/2-1/2; Number line: http://is.gd/BS0Y6S; Continued fraction: [0; 1^_]; Constant name: golden ratio conjugate; Alternative representations: 1/phi = 1/(2 sin(54°)); 1/phi = -1/(2 cos(216°)); 1/phi = -1/(2 sin(666°)) | 14:18 |
| archels | .wa is (1/golden ratio) in the Cantor set? | 14:18 |
| yoleaux | archels: Sorry, no result! | 14:18 |
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| archels | .wa (1/golden ratio) in ternary | 14:40 |
| yoleaux | convert 1/phi to base3: 0.12120011220212...₃; Other base conversions: 0.10011110001101...₂; 0.21320313132123...₄; 0.47433571562775...₈; 0.9e3779b97f4a7c...₁₆ | 14:40 |
| archels | so, probably not then, if I understand correctly? | 14:41 |
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| xtalmath | delinquentme: you realize you can do ctrl + shift+ t or whatever in most browsers if you lose a tab? | 16:12 |
| delinquentme | xtalmath, yeah i know about it :D thanks ! | 16:12 |
| xtalmath | JayDugger: that memory sinkhole thing is disturbing | 16:12 |
| xtalmath | JayDugger: I don't really see a good way to patch silicon | 16:13 |
| delinquentme | https://www.lifetechnologies.com/order/catalog/product/17504044 | 16:16 |
| delinquentme | anyone know if that (50X) means its at 50x concentration ?? | 16:16 |
| FourFire | xtalmath, memory sinkhole? | 16:19 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: (07:06:28 PM) kanzure: might be https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole | 16:41 |
| FourFire | xtalmath, it's x86 specific rowhammer type exploit in cache? | 16:42 |
| FourFire | no, wait, bus ring | 16:43 |
| xtalmath | yes | 16:43 |
| FourFire | literally everything is broken | 16:43 |
| xtalmath | yes | 16:43 |
| xtalmath | all because some legacy circuit for transition period | 16:43 |
| xtalmath | is still present | 16:43 |
| FourFire | even my new i5 5675C is not safe :( | 16:44 |
| xtalmath | when the wrong float op was discovered, pentium gave everyone new CPU right? | 16:45 |
| xtalmath | shouldn't they give us all new ones again? | 16:45 |
| FourFire | xtalmath, they couldn't afford it | 16:45 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: right, so they go out of business | 16:45 |
| xtalmath | sudden flood of highly skilled engineers => new company hires them, and an example is set for not using formal verification to prove security of the silicon | 16:46 |
| FourFire | this particular exploit is impossible on non x86 arch right? | 16:47 |
| FourFire | and it's not possible to, say, patch antivirus software to recognize the particular pattern of bits which contains a rowhammer-type exploit? | 16:48 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: obviously, but there have been similar exploits (but not as universal ones AFAIK) on ARM, mostly through the GPU or other AMBA devices | 16:48 |
| FourFire | yeah of course someone just needs to invent them, but "yet to be invented" doesn't worsen the real threat | 16:48 |
| FourFire | the real threat being this kind of exploit being given to scriptkiddies | 16:49 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: this wasn't rowhammer, rowhammer is specific to RAM | 16:49 |
| FourFire | yes, but it's using the same physical mechanism or a variant thereof to do the thing, right? | 16:49 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: the real threat, that companies don't formally verify their silicon to check if it meets claimed requirements... | 16:50 |
| FourFire | the threat is attackers breaking stuff which society depends on in order to continue existing | 16:50 |
| FourFire | of course this is permitted by what you said | 16:50 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: no, different mechanism, rowhammer relies on the fact of physical proximity of bits, and how closely packed capacitors couple capacitively | 16:50 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: what is permitted by what I say? | 16:51 |
| xtalmath | yes | 16:51 |
| xtalmath | about AV, yeah in theory, but in practice its a cat and mouse game, AV is just a remedy for fundamentally broken systems | 16:52 |
| xtalmath | its a bandage and not prevention | 16:52 |
| FourFire | if there are no working exploits, then it doesn't matter how many skript kiddies are mad-bro, but if they are working and avoidable then bad things happening is dependent on those script kiddies acting | 16:52 |
| FourFire | xtalmath, of course | 16:52 |
| FourFire | I mean all systems are, in some abstract way just bandaids on the problem of fundamentally broken humans | 16:53 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: and depending on companies using formal verification on the complete system, instead of just slapping Trusted Execution stickers wherever a customer might look | 16:53 |
| FourFire | (and I mean that in the transhumanist sense that it should be possible to reengineer people to work properly together) | 16:54 |
| xtalmath | and among the multiple enablers (company, script kiddie), the company is paid to design a secure system... | 16:54 |
| FourFire | sorry, when I last said avoidable, I meant available | 16:55 |
| FourFire | xtalmath, isn't formal verification economically infeasible for most systems? | 16:55 |
| FourFire | (but yeah, x86 should surely have been passed through at some point) | 16:56 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: that is a popular illusion | 16:56 |
| FourFire | xtalmath, I'm not sure I understand, but then I'm very much not a programmer type | 16:56 |
| FourFire | you need to try every possible input into a system | 16:58 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: it boils down to this, not so long ago, nobody was wearing seat belts, not just because they didn't feel like it, but because cars did not have them yet. it may seem a bit expensive and inconvenient, but statistically speaking, it is cheaper and more convenient | 16:58 |
| FourFire | and see whether all things which should logically fail, actually do fail, and gracefully | 16:58 |
| FourFire | not popping out something unexpected | 16:58 |
| xtalmath | FourFire: you do not need to try every possible input, you can design the architecture in a way such that you know it will be efficient to formally verify... | 16:59 |
| FourFire | uhh | 16:59 |
| FourFire | the whole point of still using x86 subverts that reasoning neatly | 16:59 |
| juri_ | i'm still learning haskel, then HHDL. do i have to learn idris as well? | 17:00 |
| xtalmath | not sure if I understand your last point? | 17:00 |
| FourFire | Yes I agree, we should make a system which is easy to verify if safe, but the reason we are still using x86 is for legacy reasons, even when serious performance penalties result | 17:00 |
| FourFire | gtg now | 17:01 |
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| kanzure | formal verification is pretty neat black magic. | 17:01 |
| xtalmath | yup | 17:02 |
| juri_ | a language with built in verification is neat. | 17:03 |
| kanzure | on the other hand, just raising (hardware) exceptions and handling them is probably way faster than whatever the architecture would be required to keep all your bits and bytes correct | 17:04 |
| xtalmath | kanzure: formal verification does not preclude exception handling, it just gives a way to check if the resulting circuits satisfy the requirements we choose, so sure, have exception handling, but check if it still meets the requirements | 17:06 |
| kanzure | python-written disassembler with idapython-compatibility https://github.com/pfalcon/ScratchABit | 17:06 |
| xtalmath | an exception should never become a carte blanche to exploit the device | 17:06 |
| yashgaroth | delinquentme: that supplement is at 50x the working concentration, yes, but if you're planning to use it for the rpe-1 cell line, be aware that literature references to using b-27 is just for RPE cells in general, not that cell line | 17:07 |
| delinquentme | right | 17:07 |
| delinquentme | thanks yashgaroth | 17:07 |
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| kanzure | arm serial wire debug protocol implemented in python https://github.com/pfalcon/PySWD | 17:14 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=cf752d13 Bryan Bishop: include link to slides for lightning network presentation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2015-05-26-lightning-network/ | 17:28 |
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| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIOEikWUVA | 19:06 |
| kanzure | .title | 19:06 |
| yoleaux | Galactic Empire Propaganda - Broadcast #1 - YouTube | 19:06 |
| kanzure | come on you wookies, do you want to live forever? </verhoeven> | 19:09 |
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| kanzure | .wik deconcentration of attention | 19:34 |
| yoleaux | "Deconcentration of attention" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconcentration_of_attention | 19:34 |
| kanzure | http://deconcentration-of-attention.com/ | 19:35 |
| kanzure | "It is typically considered that “automatic” or “reflectory” skills, such as driving are acquired via long repetitive training [18]. The research on deconcentration states [3] that this training time could be significantly reduced and that in some cases, a skill could even be acquired without any repetition." | 19:40 |
| kanzure | nah i'm sure the jet is just like the manual described, don't worry about it | 19:40 |
| kanzure | "One way to approach such a skill is to start with code that is only two screens long. Keep scrolling between the first and second screen while looking through the code and notice the sensation that you know what is on the other screen, which is not currently displayed. Then try this task with three screens and so on. Eventually this skill can be evolved to the point when you can browse very large amount of code and still somehow know ... | 19:42 |
| kanzure | ... what to expect from it." | 19:42 |
| kanzure | er somehow i don't think you need that exercise to demonstrate that point | 19:42 |
| kanzure | "Will appears to be related to the pure semantics mental level. Will can be perceived as an active manifestation of pure semantics. Pure semantics is experienced as a mental sensation of some “meaning” or “sense” of something. The pure semantics mental level has a unique “meaning” for everything. This “meaning” sensation turning into active force – this is will." | 19:47 |
| kanzure | er, well ok i guess | 19:47 |
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