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| FourFire | kanzure, which specific reactions do you need confirmation on re:http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/ | 01:53 |
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| FourFire | if you could drop me a message that would be good because I'm going afk now for a bit | 01:53 |
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| abetusk | What bothers me about the open surgery site is that I can't find any of the design files | 04:49 |
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| xtalmath | abetusk: what are you talking about? | 05:46 |
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| abetusk | opensurgery.net | 05:59 |
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| kanzure | ugh, "Currently the files are not online (yet), as I’m looking into the legal side of releasing them. I’m trying to solve some questions regarding liability, already existing intellectual property rights (potential patent infringements) and so on first - however the primary goal now is to kickstart the discussion. " | 06:24 |
| kanzure | i hate him already | 06:24 |
| CaptHindsight | anyone with a robotics and mechanical engineering background can design and build robots | 06:46 |
| abetusk | even if there was a patent for it, sharing files doesn't violate anything | 06:46 |
| abetusk | anyone with a software engineering background can design software, what's your point? | 06:46 |
| CaptHindsight | who is going to use DIY robot designs that link to arduino? | 06:47 |
| abetusk | Why wouldn't you? | 06:47 |
| CaptHindsight | who are DIY robot plans for surgical applications for? | 06:47 |
| abetusk | The target audience is probably hobbyists | 06:48 |
| CaptHindsight | hobby surgery? | 06:48 |
| abetusk | sure, why not | 06:48 |
| gradstudentbot | I am sponsored by Invitrogen. | 06:49 |
| CaptHindsight | that's a problem that should take care of itself | 06:49 |
| abetusk | People do it. There's the circadia. On a more basic level people do DIY tattoos and piercings | 06:50 |
| CaptHindsight | http://www.ebay.com/itm/271659536669 down to $699 | 06:51 |
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| kanzure | .title | 06:52 |
| yoleaux | KUKA Roboter KR150L 150SP 2 Robot Arm No Controller | eBay | 06:52 |
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| CaptHindsight | this Staubli has the accuracy for surgery http://www.ebay.com/itm/Staubli-Unimation-RX60-RX-60-Robot-Robotic-Arm-w-Base-F-02-2000-45-kg/121186667941 | 06:59 |
| CaptHindsight | unfortunately this is what ends up on most DIY sites http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-DOF-Mechanical-Arm-6-Axis-3D-Rotation-Robot-Bracket-Chassis-no-servo-Robotic/371040864054 | 07:01 |
| CaptHindsight | along with complaints about how the Staubli is "overbuilt" | 07:01 |
| xtalmath | it would be more fruitful to start with OpenDiagnosis than with OpenTreatment | 07:02 |
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| xtalmath | especially when there is competition between surgeons to get the "client" convinced of need for surgery | 07:03 |
| xtalmath | still OpenTreatment would be necessary | 07:05 |
| kanzure | why camelcase? | 07:06 |
| xtalmath | open diagnosis is a bit ambiguous as it could just as well mean free as in beer diagnosis, just using CamelCase to denote the phrase as a concept instead of 2 seperate words | 07:08 |
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| gradstudentbot | Perhaps some poor russian machinist concocted it to sell to a collector. | 07:09 |
| xtalmath | also, open treatment would be a better word, as open surgery would insinuate that for every task, for which at some point in time the best solution was surgical, will always be the best solution. It precludes non-surgical treatment | 07:10 |
| xtalmath | i.e. back to a hammer looking for a nail | 07:10 |
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| xtalmath | for example, a boy "suffering" from phimosis may be prescribed surgery instead of a cheap, painless topical steroid. Preventing pain (during intercourse) with pain (after surgery) makes no sense, it just gives a traumatic first experience for the child on the subject of his genitals... | 07:13 |
| xtalmath | an experience where the child does not even freely choose the loved one | 07:13 |
| xtalmath | furthermore there is a substantial complication risk, what will you tell the child if after surgery the boy turns out to be infibulated? force another circumcision? | 07:17 |
| xtalmath | in practice, they will then reveal that there is in fact a non-surgical treatment | 07:19 |
| xtalmath | (which they knew all along) | 07:19 |
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| xtalmath | also very strange that my medical records turn out unlocatable | 07:28 |
| kanzure | this seems to be a repeating topic for you | 07:29 |
| xtalmath | it is | 07:29 |
| xtalmath | it shaped my psyche since I was 11 | 07:29 |
| QuadIngi | . | 07:32 |
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| FourFire | . | 07:32 |
| FourFire | kanzure, do you have that list I asked for? | 07:33 |
| gradstudentbot | That's not really surprising since they did it ex vivo. | 07:34 |
| kanzure | you asked for a list? | 07:40 |
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| FourFire | yes | 07:53 |
| gradstudentbot | That's definitely a Nature paper. | 07:53 |
| FourFire | six hours and six minutes ago | 07:53 |
| FourFire | sorry, T- 6:52 | 07:54 |
| FourFire | kanzure, ^ | 07:54 |
| kanzure | right, so, i want to pay a chemist to work on that project (or if they'll do it for free, that's cool) | 07:54 |
| kanzure | material compatibility, fixing yield errors, etc. are all important tasks for each of the reaction steps | 07:54 |
| kanzure | additionally, a method of gene assembly is still necessary | 07:54 |
| kanzure | otherwise you just end up with a plate of oligos that you can't do much with except microarray assays | 07:55 |
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| FourFire | ok, I offered to help by checking whether certain reactions you were uncertain of could work | 07:55 |
| kanzure | what does that mean? | 07:55 |
| FourFire | I work down the hall from a small biochem company, who have promised me that I could pass any molecules I come up with by them for properties a given temps | 07:56 |
| FourFire | (I've been trying to come up with a spatially dense way of storing oxygen inside the human body) | 07:56 |
| kanzure | how about respirocytes | 07:57 |
| FourFire | no I was thinking inside cells | 07:57 |
| FourFire | cold storage | 07:57 |
| FourFire | "cold" | 07:57 |
| kanzure | .wik respirocyte | 07:57 |
| yoleaux | "Respirocytes are hypothetical, microscopic, artificial red blood cells that can emulate the function of its organic counterpart, only with 200 times the efficiency, so as to supplement or replace the function of much of the human body's normal respiratory system. Still entirely theoretical, respirocytes would measure 1 micrometer in diameter." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respirocyte | 07:57 |
| FourFire | I don't want "nanotechnology" I need a molecule, which I can then design the gene for the mechanism for | 07:58 |
| kanzure | well thanks to modern ambiguity in science, i think people have called molecule design something like nanotechnology :-/ | 07:59 |
| FourFire | I'm focusing on upgrading/enhancing existing biology with things inside the possibility volume of existing protein synthesis | 07:59 |
| FourFire | I'm sure plenty of other, much smarter people can work on (artifical) nanotech, but I'm not | 08:00 |
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| maaku | kanzure: I sometimes wonder if I cross the line though | 10:20 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, I'm just looking for a journal that will take that paper. | 10:21 |
| kanzure | maaku: nah, it's like shooting fish in a barrel | 10:23 |
| maaku | hahaha | 10:23 |
| kanzure | maaku: jtimon has been very impressive with his attempt to integrate their arguments into an actual statement. | 10:23 |
| maaku | i guess i feel bad about that afterwards :) | 10:23 |
| kanzure | will you be going to montreal? | 10:24 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to decide whether to go | 10:24 |
| maaku | yes, and presenting hopefully | 10:24 |
| maaku | please do, and give a talk! | 10:24 |
| kanzure | perhaps i'll go just to heckle you in the audience | 10:24 |
| maaku | heh | 10:24 |
| maaku | i'm planning on submitting a paper on resource-use counting -- having a 'resource limit' rather than a 'block size limit' | 10:25 |
| kanzure | also this was a v. good email http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010119.html | 10:25 |
| maaku | i could probably come up with a page long list of topics I would like to see submitted though, maybe that would be useful | 10:25 |
| kanzure | not sure i have anything worthy of presenting; i'm so deep down some other rabbit holes that i'm afraid i will neve rreturn. | 10:27 |
| kanzure | not even elmer fudd dares venture here | 10:28 |
| xtalmath | kanzure: im curious about your rabbit hole | 10:31 |
| kanzure | xtalmath: pm | 10:31 |
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| mgin | mooooo | 14:36 |
| kanzure | agreed | 14:37 |
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| mgin | i just finished HPMOR lol | 15:00 |
| kanzure | check out author's note 119 for a hilarious pile of crap | 15:11 |
| mgin | oh i literally just finished reading it now | 15:17 |
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| Adlai | mgin: roughly how much wallclock did you spend? | 16:32 |
| * Adlai considered but gave up after (perhaps insufficiently skimmingly) reading the first 6 chapters | 16:33 | |
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| mgin | i've read HPMOR 5-10 times | 16:41 |
| mgin | so quite a bit, in total | 16:41 |
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| * Adlai suddenly feels a lot better about having enjoyed dan brown | 16:57 | |
| mgin | i've read a couple of his as well | 17:00 |
| mgin | davinci code, angels and demons | 17:02 |
| * Adlai found Inferno best | 17:02 | |
| Adlai | maybe penult to A&D | 17:03 |
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| abetusk | CaptHindsight, good find. Do you know what it takes to control those arms? | 17:07 |
| Adlai | http://www.kuka-robotics.com/res/sps/94de4d6a-e810-4505-9f90-b2d3865077b6_spez_kr_c2_ed05_en.pdf | 17:09 |
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| kanzure | http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/octopus-sophistication-driven-by-hundreds-of-previously-unknown-genes/ | 17:14 |
| mgin | hmm. is inferno new? | 17:14 |
| mgin | god HPMOR is so amazing | 17:15 |
| mgin | i want to reread it again hahaha | 17:15 |
| CaptHindsight | abetusk: the Kukas use servos with harmonic drives and either rotary encoders or resolvers | 17:16 |
| Adlai | mgin: the inferno that i read is dan brown's latest book | 17:16 |
| CaptHindsight | abetusk: Linuxcnc has all the kinematics for those arms | 17:17 |
| * Adlai skipped "The Lost Symbol" | 17:17 | |
| mgin | oh i see. i don't think i've read either of those | 17:17 |
| mgin | i might pick em up sometime | 17:17 |
| mgin | started rereading The Fountainhead for like the 8th time now | 17:18 |
| abetusk | CaptHindsigh, Adlai, thanks. I'm really impressed. That's pretty amazing that it's so cheap | 17:26 |
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| !barjavel.freenode.net [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 17:56 | |
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| maaku | if you've read one dan brown book you can guess how the rest go by the end of chapter 3 | 18:14 |
| gradstudentbot | My study reveals that people are awesome at memorizing insecure passwords. | 18:17 |
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| CaptHindsight | abetusk: the ebay site with the Kuka arms has the Kuka controllers but he wants about as much as it will cost to convert them the some Linuxcnc hardware | 18:44 |
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| juri_ | kanzure: i'm contacting BUGS to see if there's someone of the chemical persuasion that would like to work on this. | 19:34 |
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