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| kanzure | streaming video of scalingbitcoin.org https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O6Jm_KLakk ... | 03:07 |
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| kanzure | technologiclee: welcome back | 04:20 |
| andytoshi | morning kanzure | 04:21 |
| FourFire | kanzure, what feature of bitcoin is most important for the transhumanist agenda? | 04:23 |
| technologiclee | Thank you @Kanzure . Do you know what version of Fedora NE-1 was packaged for? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/nanoengineer-dev/fedora/nanoengineer-dev/HZR3famM48o/joNuzj7cU4kJ I am about to try it on Fedora 22-3 in Virtual Box. | 04:23 |
| andytoshi | FourFire: that ownership and transfer are defined entirely algorithmically | 04:26 |
| FourFire | Yes that is what i expected. | 04:28 |
| kanzure | FourFire: well, all of the bitcoiners are major transhumanists, it's pretty funny | 04:33 |
| kanzure | one of the libsecp256k1 authors is even signed up for cryonics | 04:33 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.bitcoin.kn/2015/09/adam-back-gavin-andresen-block-size-increase | 04:56 |
| yoleaux | Dr Adam Back and Gavin Andresen discuss a block size increaseBitcoin Knowledge Podcast | 04:56 |
| kanzure | (todo i guess) | 04:56 |
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| JayDugger | Your presentation happens at 0800, kanzure? | 05:13 |
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| technologiclee | Kanzue I tried the Fedora package. I can not tell if it worked. I tried to run it using $python main.py and it says "No module named PyQt4.Qt". | 05:47 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure, I just saw the NE-1 Ubuntu 7.04 Chroot. On line 48 should I 'exit' the chroot for the rest of the commands? https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/commit/2a0222063af9b7c24622496898918d74e1a1b2e6 | 05:49 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7e735a3b Bryan Bishop: transcript: relay network >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/relay-network/ | 06:28 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4deca43c Bryan Bishop: transcript: cory fields >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/reworking-bitcoin-core-p2p-code-for-robustness-and-event-driven/ | 06:45 |
| kanzure | technologiclee: i was just giving a talk in montreal, sorry for my delay | 06:47 |
| kanzure | technologiclee: could you pastebin your chroot problems please? | 06:48 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: happened already, probably recorded somewhere | 06:48 |
| kanzure | maybe | 06:48 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=775cc869 Bryan Bishop: transcript: block propagation with rusty >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/bitcoin-block-propagation-iblt-rusty-russell/ | 06:57 |
| kanzure | see #bitcoin-workshops | 06:57 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=143db474 Bryan Bishop: more with rusty >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/bitcoin-block-propagation-iblt-rusty-russell/ | 07:01 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d44a5274 Bryan Bishop: transcript: petertodd, security concerns >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/overview-of-security-concerns/ | 07:42 |
| technologiclee | Here is the Fedora issue. I do not know if the procedure of: rpm2cpio NanoEngineer-1-1.1.1.12-0.3.fc12.src.rpm | cpio -idv takes place of the make, make install commands. http://pastebin.com/ff20kPLr | 07:53 |
| kanzure | i am not going to be available to check that right now, but might be able to check later today | 07:53 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure For the Ubuntu 7.04 I have gotten to: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/commit/2a0222063af9b7c24622496898918d74e1a1b2e6 This file is not available. I am trying to intall it from another source, but I do not understand where the chroot is in the file directory. | 07:55 |
| kanzure | technologiclee: also, what have you been up to man? :-) | 07:56 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure. Thanks. I will be around. | 07:56 |
| kanzure | technologiclee: (i am at a conference in case that's not clear; i noticed my previous messages are not clear about this. http://scalingbitcoin.org/montreal2015/ ) | 07:56 |
| technologiclee | I was kidnapped by trolls. | 07:56 |
| kanzure | oh is that what happened | 07:56 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure. Bring the knowledge to the people. | 07:57 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure. Please look in out communities and see if other people have gone missing. I do not think this was an isolated incident. | 08:00 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=724515bb Bryan Bishop: transcript: off-chain scaling with secure computation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/privacy-preserving-smart-contracts/ | 08:01 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4f83fd1a Bryan Bishop: transcript: bitcoin blockchain testbed >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/blockchain-testbed/ | 08:16 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=668d39d2 Bryan Bishop: transcript: coinscope and andrew miller >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/coinscope-andrew-miller/ | 08:28 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=57cda7f4 Bryan Bishop: add coinscope link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/coinscope-andrew-miller/ | 08:31 |
| JayDugger | From coinscope, "We are launching an academic journal for cryptocurrency research called Ledger. We want to be able to bridge academia and the bitcoin development community. This will be open-access because paywalls are gross." | 08:49 |
| streety | the singing does seem to get everyone in their seats quickly | 08:51 |
| JayDugger | "SNARKs, NIZK (non-interactive zero knowledge proofs), fully homomorphic encryption, obfuscation are all examples of secure computation. They are less efficient than secure computation itself because of the additional restrictions that they each require." | 08:53 |
| JayDugger | Huh? How does an example of secure computation become "less efficient than secure computation itself?" | 08:54 |
| JayDugger | That looks poorly phrased to me, but I know little about the topic. | 08:54 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e7b1648a Bryan Bishop: transcript: load spike simulation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/bitcoin-load-spike-simulation/ | 09:01 |
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| nsh | 'But no - when inserted, it registered itself as an input device (i.e. a keyboard), and did "Windows-R" followed by the URL of an Elsevier web page and Enter, thus opening my browser and producing an error page (as I had no internet connection at the time).' -- https://swaldman.dreamwidth.org/352778.html | 14:43 |
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| streety | "Most fascinatingly, 1 BTC is about equivalent to 7000 tons of water if you are operating a hydrodam." | 14:50 |
| streety | Isn't the equivalence going to be significantly influenced by the distance the water is falling? | 14:51 |
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| merq | livestream? | 15:04 |
| justanotheruser | streety: do most hydrodams collect water all the way down? | 15:07 |
| justanotheruser | *collect energy | 15:07 |
| kanzure | .tell jcluck there is a good anthropology presentation at the end of the scalingbitcoin workshop day 1 | 15:08 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: I'll pass your message to jcluck. | 15:08 |
| kanzure | .tell cluckj there is a good anthropology presentation at the end of the scalingbitcoin workshop day 1 | 15:08 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: I'll pass your message to cluckj. | 15:08 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure, I read about chroot and have moved on to the next part of the install. | 15:10 |
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| jrayhawk | What's the RTP URL? | 15:17 |
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| abetusk | https://twitter.com/kthomaspickard | 15:19 |
| abetusk | $999 WGS for MindEx attendants and PGP participants | 15:19 |
| streety | justanotheruser: my understanding is you're essentially trading gravitational potential energy (any mass high up has more than low down) for electrical energy | 15:19 |
| justanotheruser | yeah, but not much potential energy is used if it only generates at the top | 15:20 |
| streety | But you generally move the water from the top of the dam to the bottom, whatever that height is | 15:21 |
| streety | well, the top of the water level in the dam which will be somewhat lower than the actual top of the dam | 15:21 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: where can I find the 9AM-10:30AM stuff, it's not on youtube | 18:06 |
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| kanzure | justanotheruser: no idea | 18:35 |
| kanzure | also, i met someone who knows ielo | 18:35 |
| kanzure | yeah i guess it's my bad for not checking up on technologiclee and whether he was still existing | 18:44 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure. NE-1 would almost nonexistent without the work and resources you gave years ago. It is my goal to get all the dependencies in one place and finally make an install script or .deb. Is there a backup of the original NE-1 wiki? It is 7 years after NE-1 and out and I have still not seen anything with a better interface. | 18:51 |
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| technologiclee | Kanzure, here is where I am working on the Ubuntu 7.04 chroot method you provided. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17vnWarm2rlz-qG2Ia2UTsQm36MkgfmcdRl1gAnyyIdc/edit?usp=sharing | 18:55 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure, this is the closest I was able to get to an install script: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alXvATQXym_wpUBD4qwLkh-Dj2u8isu1mNAOhFo8wGI/edit?usp=sharing | 18:56 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure, Just having all the dependencies in one folder would be a good start, that is what I will do first. | 18:58 |
| kanzure | yes i have a backup of the ne1 wiki somewhere | 19:03 |
| kanzure | i have the dependencies in one folder on a server somewhere | 19:04 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/dependencies/ | 19:04 |
| kanzure | there you go | 19:04 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure, excellent. Let's make a package. | 19:04 |
| technologiclee | Kanzure, thank you. | 19:04 |
| kanzure | there was a .dmg for macosx that seems to work out-of-the-box | 19:05 |
| technologiclee | Hey, I was expecting the wiki, this is a gold mine! | 19:06 |
| technologiclee | OK, I do not know about Mac. I have a .dmg downloaded. My focus will be making a .deb. | 19:07 |
| technologiclee | My first try was to use alien to convert the Fedora .rpm to a .deb. It says ".src.rpm is for architecture i386 ; the package cannot be built on this system". Now I will read about packaging. I would like to get this submitted as an official package. | 19:39 |
| technologiclee | I used alien --help and man alien then a google search about the architecture. It generated a .deb What is the best way to test this? Last time I would stumble about then reinstall my whole system to try again. I will try Ubuntu 7.04 in virtual box. | 19:48 |
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| dingo | lets see here | 20:53 |
| dingo | ohh shucks i need to bugfix paperbot to use it, huh | 20:53 |
| dingo | we're still at that state | 20:53 |
| dingo | technologiclee: you can use 'rpm2cpio <file> | cpio -id' (i think its -id, check the manual) | 20:54 |
| dingo | which extracts the rpm to its raw bits | 20:54 |
| dingo | you can construct a .deb from those raw bits using fpm maybe | 20:54 |
| dingo | i'm sure such a tool exists, also | 20:54 |
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| technologiclee | Dingo, thanks for the tips. | 20:55 |
| dingo | as far as testing, well, if you're using the package manager, i just do a 'dpkg-query --list' command, save it to "packages.unmodified" | 20:56 |
| dingo | and then you can uninstall the package, and its declared dependencies later, by identifying the difference using command, 'diff <(dpkg-query --list) packages.unmodified' | 20:57 |
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| dingo | until there is no difference, to reset to your original state | 20:57 |
| dingo | but files sloppily installed by 'make install' commands are not handled here | 20:57 |
| dingo | in such cases, you can use the same technique, but by using 'find /usr -type f > /tmp/usr.unmodified' | 20:58 |
| dingo | and then pipe the | grep '^+' or | grep '^-' to an awk and an xargs rm :) | 20:58 |
| dingo | we'll call it dingo's least preferred but always available package installation technique | 20:58 |
| dingo | but i came here for paperbot | 20:59 |
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| technologiclee | Dingo, I will try these. I have have seen some of it mentioned but never needed it or knew what to do with it. | 21:00 |
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