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| kanzure | "the demolished man"'s summary looks too much like a heist movie | 05:48 |
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| drethelin | it's kind of hesity | 05:50 |
| drethelin | heisty | 05:50 |
| drethelin | Telepathy is a hard power to take seriously in fiction | 05:51 |
| kanzure | " and they claim that multichannel cochlear implants based on flexible μLED arrays are technically feasible. Thompson et al. (2014). Optical stimulation of neurons. Current Molecular Imaging, 2014, 3, 162-177 describe a variety of ways photons can replace electrons to stimulate nerves, including the possibilities to develop “optrode” arrays with microlithic fabrication technologies." | 05:52 |
| kanzure | (a random claim of optogenetics/cochlear implants) | 05:52 |
| kanzure | drethelin: hm, i don't think so- person-to-person communication already happens with other devices, why would it be so hard to think those devices would be in someone's head? | 05:53 |
| drethelin | telepathy as in mindreading | 05:53 |
| drethelin | telepathy as in just mind communication happens all the time | 05:53 |
| kanzure | and "mind reading" is a very simple trick, you just have to know every stimuli the other person has ever been exposed to, problem solved | 05:53 |
| kanzure | "but it's not like people are pervasively recording and surveilling all their data!!" | 05:55 |
| kanzure | what were we complaining about, again? | 05:56 |
| * archels hides his pupil size | 05:57 | |
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| kanzure | fenn: i need some ideas for how to organize my 2000 bitcoin tech bookmarks into a legible form on a wiki page | 06:46 |
| kanzure | i was thinking something like this, http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/#igem-2014 | 06:46 |
| kanzure | with a one-sentence summary per link | 06:46 |
| kanzure | but need ideas | 06:46 |
| kanzure | also, hi tallakahath | 06:46 |
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| c0rw1n | idea : mind-mapping ? | 07:09 |
| c0rw1n | "this is related to that through this" | 07:09 |
| kanzure | here is the raw data http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/bitcoin-selected-bookmarks.2015-09-09.txt | 07:09 |
| c0rw1n | great big graph | 07:09 |
| kanzure | i am not a big fan of mind mapping, my graphs always become over-saturated | 07:10 |
| c0rw1n | mh :( | 07:11 |
| cpopell3 | tagging w faceted search doesn't work on wiki I guess | 07:28 |
| kanzure | well i was thinking something like "even if i keep the tags, i still should write summaries [or something]" and i don't know what the "or something" looks like | 07:28 |
| c0rw1n | maybe just a title for each ? taking a random one, "kuylsknk" is tagged "bitcointalk bitcoin mywallet web-wallets security gmaxwell luke-jr ripper234 ron-gross centralization analysis" and that rings all of zero bells for me without going to read the thread | 07:31 |
| kanzure | web-wallets/security are the operable tags there | 07:33 |
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| kanzure | "The position wobble idea might be based on a misapprehension of what gravity waves do in the space they pass through. The analogy with a 2-d elastic sheet being distorted does not in general carry to 3+1 dimensions in a way that matches our geometric intuitions neatly. It is possible that wavelengths of incident light shift up then down very briefly (like compression and rarefaction of pressure waves for sound) without (the detection ... | 08:09 |
| kanzure | ... of) object position changing." | 08:09 |
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| tallakahath | hi kanzure ! | 08:32 |
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| JayDugger | Do modern browsers have a standard format for bookmarks? | 09:02 |
| c0rw1n | no | 09:02 |
| JayDugger | <!DOCTYPE NETSCAPE-Bookmark-file-1> | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | That looks like an interchangeable format, though I don't know what the browsers might use internally. | 09:08 |
| JayDugger | Anyway, back to the problem. What's wrong with a chronological list, a one sentence summary for each item, and as few "operable tags" as possible? | 09:09 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, that's a lot of work, but I volunteer kanzure for curator of that list. | 09:10 |
| JayDugger | If you import those bookmarks into a mind map, you can organize them with attribute of tag:<tag name>, arrange them in a preferred hierarchy (time?), and then use the mind map program to filter the map by whatever query you like. | 09:12 |
| JayDugger | All nodes (bookmarks) tagged with *wallet* and their parents back to the root node, say, which should give you some idea about the development of the idea of wallets over time. | 09:13 |
| JayDugger | That's even more work than the earlier suggestion, and I again volunteer kanzure. | 09:14 |
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| kanzure | not convinced about the utility of mindmaps | 09:22 |
| JayDugger | Agreed. I think the list would work better. | 09:26 |
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| c0rw1n | depends how one thinks i spose | 09:43 |
| c0rw1n | i'd have a much easier time parsing a graph than a list but that might be just me | 09:43 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/bitcoin-selected-bookmarks.2015-09-09.yaml | 09:45 |
| kanzure | generated by http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/jotmuch_yaml_export_by_url.py | 09:45 |
| c0rw1n | but then i clearly can't contribute to bitcoin tech discussion except by cheerleading so it could be net wasteful to optimize communications for my brain specifically | 09:45 |
| cluckj | lol | 09:46 |
| cluckj | all those data-crunching methods produce different kinds of results from the same material | 09:46 |
| cluckj | kanzure, how do those various links make sense to you? like...what is important about how you tagged them? | 09:51 |
| kanzure | cluckj: i tagged them with relevant names... what do you mean? | 09:53 |
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| kanzure | paperbot needs a new home | 09:56 |
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| cluckj | by the people in them, or by who would be interested in them? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | oh, when there are names of people, it's the people that appear on the page that say relevant things | 10:01 |
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| cluckj | oh | 10:04 |
| cluckj | hmm | 10:04 |
| cluckj | I dunno if a concept map would be good to put them all into a wiki | 10:07 |
| cluckj | assuming that's what y'all mean by mind map? | 10:09 |
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| cluckj | http://cmap.ihmc.us/docs/cmaptools-concept-map | 10:11 |
| cluckj | something like that... | 10:11 |
| cluckj | for me at least, the act of making a concept map is itself a way to figure out how the data should be structured | 10:12 |
| kanzure | "Signatures of correct computation" http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.303.8178&rep=rep1&type=pdf | 10:22 |
| jrayhawk | diyhpl.us wikis have <map>-enabled graphviz generation, if that helps | 11:04 |
| kanzure | i think that people are just trying to get around the whole "put in lots of time and energy into writing summaries thing", which is not going to work | 11:04 |
| kanzure | someone in -wizards proposed cron + email to randomly pester a random person from a list to make *them* do the writing work -_- | 11:05 |
| cluckj | lol | 11:05 |
| kanzure | to be fair, i did propose that we should hire greg egan to do summaries of hplusroadmap logs | 11:06 |
| cluckj | classy | 11:10 |
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| noaptebuna | Hola | 11:39 |
| kanzure | noaptebuna: hi | 11:43 |
| fenn | for bitcoin bookmarks you'd want both the actual title of the page/thread, (assuming there is one) and a summary of what you think it's about. there should be an auto-generated list of bookmarks for each tag, and a list of tags sorted by frequency. clicking on a tag below the bookmark should go to that bookmark in the list of bookmarks with that tag, which is sorted by date or something | 11:44 |
| fenn | so you can surf related tags fairly easily | 11:44 |
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| fenn | also date refers to the date of the referent of the bookmark, not the date the bookmark itself was created | 11:48 |
| kanzure | i think the summaries are the mainly interesting item there | 11:48 |
| kanzure | just.. someone has to write them. | 11:48 |
| fenn | well you already tagged a bunch of things so that's some useful data right there | 11:50 |
| cluckj | ^ | 11:51 |
| kanzure | same should be done for hplusroadmap tech mentions | 11:51 |
| fenn | tag all the things!!! | 11:51 |
| kanzure | no, summaries | 11:52 |
| cluckj | TAGS ARE SUMMARIES!!!!!!!!! | 11:52 |
| kanzure | my slides were pretty okay summaries http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/scalingbitcoin-review.pdf | 11:54 |
| cluckj | suspects? | 11:55 |
| kanzure | people | 11:55 |
| cluckj | :P | 11:57 |
| fenn | the international criminal conspiracy that is bitcoin | 11:59 |
| cluckj | :) | 12:00 |
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| chris_99 | out of interest, what do you guys think about this surgeon who is apparently going to conduct a head transplant of a human in 2017 | 13:56 |
| yoleaux | 14 Sep 2015 22:17Z <nmz787_w> chris_99: I haven't turned it on yet, but I unpacked my blue spectrometer and have it placed on my desk now ;) | 13:56 |
| yoleaux | 04:59Z <nmz787> chris_99: trying one of these now, since that other one never came (this one says it ships from the U.S. and that I should have it within a week) http://www.ebay.com/itm/191680772737 | 13:56 |
| chris_99 | ooh cool nmz787 | 13:57 |
| chris_99 | i saw that neje one recently | 13:57 |
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| nmz787_w | chris_99: cool, see any reviews? or just saw that it existed on some site (ebay/aliexpress/etc)? (in regards to the neje etcher) | 15:15 |
| chris_99 | nah, no reviews i just saw it on fleabay | 15:16 |
| chris_99 | saw http://www.aliexpress.com/item/500M-32-channel-logic-analyzer-compatible-LOGIC-16-accurate-indicator-actual-parameters/32286574687.html?ws_ab_test=201526_1,201527_3_3_2_1_5_4,201409_5 recently | 15:16 |
| chris_99 | too expensive for an impulse purchase though heh | 15:17 |
| chris_99 | got a chance to play with the spectrometer yet? | 15:18 |
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| nmz787_w | chris_99: that is a clone of a good-sounding American device | 15:29 |
| nmz787_w | which i was thinking of buying if I ever have the need | 15:29 |
| chris_99 | indeed it is | 15:29 |
| nmz787_w | http://www.pctestinstruments.com/ | 15:29 |
| chris_99 | it's a https://www.saleae.com/ clone i thought | 15:30 |
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| nmz787_w | oh, maybe, I guess I may have been confusing it with this: http://www.eeelec.com/xla/ | 15:35 |
| chris_99 | hmm that 500Msps one doesn't seem to exist | 15:37 |
| chris_99 | on the shop | 15:37 |
| chris_99 | or thier ebay page | 15:37 |
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| nmz787_w | huh, maybe intronix got pissed and filed some legal stuff | 15:45 |
| chris_99 | heh | 15:46 |
| nmz787_w | and to answer your question, no I haven't tried the spectrometer out yet... maybe tonight though | 15:47 |
| nmz787_w | the software they provide is for windows... and I haven't validated my RS232 sniffer yet... but was actually thinking I might be able to work on that using the spectrometer | 15:48 |
| chris_99 | cool | 15:51 |
| chris_99 | maybe it's an ASCII protocol | 15:51 |
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