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| nmz787_i | my photodetector circuit whined to life for about 3 seconds, the buzzer squealing away, as I saw some smoke lift up and the sound die off | 07:11 |
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| kanzure | cat dreamlog.txt | wc -w | 07:18 |
| kanzure | 4279 | 07:18 |
| kanzure | IT WORKS | 07:18 |
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| nmz787_i | heh | 07:26 |
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| kanzure | "a database backend monitors the database and emits an event whenever anythign g changes. but this doesn't seem to be enough hifhg fidelity pig parties. pig parties, really?" | 07:47 |
| kanzure | "wel ther was this real-time donyx. by chosen by 5080 580 people. 580 people. that's all. ysursj o epmfrt jpe yjru str hpomh yp vp,[rmdsyr gpt yjsy om yjr hs,r" | 07:47 |
| kanzure | "coke, disney brand" "it's just one of those code words" "initially i was confusedand afraid by your claims, then i found yourclaims wereabsolutely awesome." | 07:47 |
| Aurelius_Work | kanzure : I am confused and afraid | 07:48 |
| kanzure | sleep typing | 07:48 |
| Aurelius_Work | wut | 07:48 |
| kanzure | "there'sa lot of ways to feed in and given the unexpected unavoidable kastent technolgoy here. do you see anything? well its got to be somewhere." | 07:48 |
| kanzure | Aurelius_Work: sleep typing :-) | 07:48 |
| Aurelius_Work | you're sleeping with hands on a keyboard? | 07:48 |
| kanzure | yeah i figured i would try that | 07:49 |
| kanzure | wireless keyboard, mind you | 07:49 |
| Aurelius_Work | interesting | 07:49 |
| kanzure | "email from ned tharper about widespread mis propaganda... but maybe if they wanted correct news they should have encoded good skips into their level design." | 07:49 |
| Aurelius_Work | I've been contemplating getting one of those 'use your computer from bed' keyboards | 07:49 |
| nmz787_i | "(3)Short-circuits can cause excessive heating and destructive dissipation. Rth are typical values" | 07:49 |
| kanzure | "nope nothing about a family here. triceracop and i hope to get out of this alive." "detective loden, what an unexpected surprise." | 07:50 |
| nmz787_i | welp, maybe the TSSOP8 package op-amp is not as hardy as the DIP | 07:50 |
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| kanzure | "zerocsh anonymous copy-paste. ugh." "see how that tube goes straight into the object" "yeah i see it" "that's what you're looking for" "nuclear popcorn testing site 1" "gentlemen please put on your really cool goggles" | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "uhand no there is still timelock to take care of that in the city. yes exactly. Timelock isn't going anywhere, plus it's needed for lightning." | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "lrigtnow we need her to keep doing what she's been doing. who else did you talk with? remember we don't want to communicate or contaminate the timeline. hm, well, i was training a basic group in medical procedures. excepty tou cant really prepare curriculum for random thug groups....." | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "evikytuib TGUBJ IY JBIQ GIQ RGUA RGEWS ua nicubf> rgubj FUb''AAAAAAAAA" "VWXYaw owiokw EW UNOEWAAWS VT RGW VUF RGUBFA, JSXX MUDI FC FSTIVAL ISN'Y YHS BSF" "ig syre gere us a dutubct kacj if aby if tgat ub tgus wgriyo" | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "so you built a time machine out of a time machine?" | 07:52 |
| kanzure | "no... what are you even talking about? time travel isn't possible." | 07:52 |
| kanzure | "but sometimes you need random inspiration to get another problem figured out." "even though evena moron can do that, they still have some trouble figuring out which worl od or which ji joe action figures you are given, the chld is still going to be autistic." | 07:52 |
| kanzure | "more thanonce no way, let me through. oh wow that's a great advantage to us..." | 07:52 |
| kanzure | "catillac... no. meh. gjust givem eo ne of those giant 700 pound gorillas in your fields. they are used to have trees and other stuff that make your cows look like fucking reatrards." | 07:52 |
| kanzure | "it just drops a bomb on japan, that's all. that button right there." | 07:53 |
| kanzure | "dontknwo a shortcut for that llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllli can't just.. i can just go through the other rooms here." "the other way works. the one with the flider." | 07:53 |
| kanzure | "didn't come here to watch a bunch of contigency plans failing re: no car, no food, no money." | 07:53 |
| kanzure | "probably not a mechanical question. much software to sort through." "... lemonade ice water. fresh. ice cucumber service. ledger per 1 service.." "ligar is something else" | 07:54 |
| kanzure | so i would consider that pretty successful | 07:54 |
| Aurelius_Work | no magical hacking or biochemistry though :P | 07:55 |
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| kanzure | give it time | 07:57 |
| kanzure | there was a lot of "apt-get update" | 07:57 |
| kanzure | followed by "sudo apt-get update" -_- | 07:57 |
| Aurelius_Work | ahah | 07:58 |
| Aurelius_Work | I'm just trying to get myself into a pattern of working on my studying/projects every night after all else is said and done | 07:58 |
| kanzure | why not use morning instead? | 07:58 |
| Aurelius_Work | 9-5 | 07:58 |
| kanzure | yeah, so 5 to 9 is your time | 07:58 |
| kanzure | and 5 to midnight is for bullshit like bills | 07:59 |
| Aurelius_Work | oh, I'm miserable in mornings and happy at night | 07:59 |
| Aurelius_Work | I also can't get by on <6.5 hours of sleep | 07:59 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: I went to sleep just after 1, woke up once at 5:40, then for realz at 6:45... and felt better (I figured I'd be tired for going to bed so late, and needing to wake up early)... I wondered if it was due to being interrupted at 5:$0 | 08:01 |
| kanzure | i could wire up an android app to hplusroadmap and then do audio voice synthesis for replies | 08:01 |
| kanzure | and randomly send some of the text | 08:01 |
| kanzure | or just read google search results | 08:07 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: yeah you should try more of that. try waking up more towards half-way through instead, though. | 08:08 |
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| poppingtonic | aah creating a dual-boot setup on an empty hard drive, starting with ubuntu is not easy. | 08:11 |
| kanzure | use vm first, then transition to dual boot | 08:12 |
| nmz787_i | I actually wasn't trying to wake up... I think I was just subcconsciously worried I wouldn't wake up and then miss this meeting | 08:12 |
| nmz787_i | but yeah I will try to do it again | 08:13 |
| nmz787_i | poppingtonic: install windows first | 08:13 |
| nmz787_i | that way ubuntu will find the windows bootloader automatically | 08:13 |
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| fenn | holyshit actual dream typing | 08:16 |
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| kanzure | not sure if any of them were dreams though | 08:17 |
| kanzure | i certainly don't remember dreams, except the one about some dude naming a parking garage after hplusroadmap while i was gone | 08:17 |
| nmz787_i | heh | 08:17 |
| fenn | dreams are made to be forgotten | 08:26 |
| fenn | but that doesn't mean they didn't happen | 08:26 |
| fenn | i fully support this line of research | 08:26 |
| fenn | http://www.thrillingdetective.com/eyes/loden.html | 08:27 |
| fenn | i wonder if it was the same | 08:27 |
| kanzure | never seen that | 08:27 |
| fenn | ah but did time-traveling you see it? | 08:28 |
| kanzure | triceracop was because of kung fury | 08:28 |
| fenn | is there some script that can descramble misaligned typing? | 08:29 |
| kanzure | i asked in swhack and they didn't know of one (wtf?) | 08:29 |
| kanzure | this is the sort of tool that i would expect to be installed on linux by default, but dunno the name | 08:30 |
| fenn | takes forever to do it by eye but it's possible | 08:33 |
| kanzure | "VT RGW" -> "BY THE" | 08:34 |
| poppingtonic | what do you mean descramble? | 08:34 |
| poppingtonic | *by | 08:34 |
| kanzure | "BY THE BIG THINGS" | 08:34 |
| fenn | "evolution THINK IT KNOW THIS THRED is moving?" | 08:35 |
| kanzure | like "VWXYaw owiokw EW UNOEWAAWS VT RGW VUF RGUBFA, JSXX MUDI FC FSTIVAL ISN'Y YHS BSF" | 08:35 |
| fenn | actually easier to just misalign your hands and re-type the scrambled text | 08:35 |
| kanzure | wait what? | 08:35 |
| kanzure | oh you mean apply opposite misalignment | 08:35 |
| Aurelius_Work | Google used to have one | 08:35 |
| kanzure | "becusw oeioke rw unorssed by toe bug trhbufs, kdcc mufi fc gdyibs; odm'y uhs ndg" are you sure fenn? i don't think so.... | 08:37 |
| fenn | becysw people re impressed by the big things... | 08:37 |
| fenn | yeah i can't figure out the second half | 08:40 |
| kanzure | would be easier to just put textured surfaces on keys for finger realignment | 08:44 |
| kanzure | i think sleepbryan would figure that one out | 08:44 |
| kuudes | becuse people re impressed by the big things, ... isn't yga bad | 08:45 |
| kanzure | "isn't yga bad" "isn't that bad" probably... | 08:45 |
| kuudes | yeah, it has drifted 1 to the right on right hand | 08:45 |
| kanzure | surprised that vast majority is legible and not misalignment | 08:50 |
| kanzure | well no i'm not. not much time spent using keyboard when misaligned, so no reason to expect me to do that. | 08:50 |
| kanzure | "oh well son all i needi s just a couple of slaves is all. thanks for calling, caller. always glad to heara 12 year old wants some slaves of his own. weird shit, man." | 08:51 |
| kanzure | (apparently i was a radio host) | 08:51 |
| kanzure | "you probably can't tell because my mouth moves even less than the mouth of c3po." "no top of your game is fine, just be prepared to show it sometime" "it's great that he can do that instead of lying to himself like the lylax." "well if that's really what you want to be doing" | 08:52 |
| tallakahath | kanzure: arent f and j on most keyboards graced with a tiny nub for this purpose? | 08:52 |
| kanzure | not on my wireless keyboard, apparently | 08:52 |
| kanzure | "ueyeaj th ey kind of baited you too, huh? well everyone was disappointed by that.-" | 08:52 |
| kanzure | "o a, dpme dea;omg wotj a;; pf tjee axes" "ain't nobody got time for all of these axen" | 08:53 |
| tallakahath | kanzure: you can fix this with a dab of superglue | 08:53 |
| kanzure | true! | 08:53 |
| kanzure | hm | 08:53 |
| kanzure | "wekk tgb tiy aww gun qurg kujw `99 twEAI B GUN Bs tiy rgubj,,," | 08:54 |
| kanzure | "TGU SV EGS ARGW YWARUIB, WGT WCWB VIRGWE QURG AINW ID RGUA" | 08:54 |
| kanzure | "KIDY HRY OY S;;; PIY PG YJR DUDYR," | 08:54 |
| fenn | should disable caps lock next time | 08:54 |
| kanzure | "oy trs;;u vsm" "y nr yjsy nsf" "ib tgegrabd sgene if tgubgs tgua us bit tge ruggt eikigucak tunekube" | 08:55 |
| kanzure | "he likes bein g 500+design offcare and this was the lightning used in the car. whlp rou our rhwew" "DWQ Sa od 10 minurw poqwe PA.... ON RH DOUERH Ns dinl Sy,qaN'R XONNWXRINFUAWS EWIWQ E BLOXKCAOMWO D RHWM AHW Ha aowwiqqppppppppppppplno need i know eactly what there iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiienutjobs in nay case." (continues to the "most uninteresting options" one, pasted above) | 08:56 |
| fenn | or really can t be that bad on thehrand shebe if thinks this is not the riggt eological timeline | 09:00 |
| kanzure | "thehrand" -> "the other hand", most likely | 09:00 |
| kanzure | i am not sure how to write a misalignment fixer. hm. | 09:10 |
| kanzure | left/right hand can both be separately misaligned in different ways | 09:10 |
| kanzure | script needs to generate different possibilities based on different misalignments | 09:10 |
| kanzure | sometimes misalignments fix themselves half-way through, though | 09:11 |
| fenn | afew ads of 20 minute power aps.... on eh fourth nad finl ady,wsan't connectingused reirw r blockvaomeo f them ahs sowwiqppppppppppplno | 09:12 |
| fenn | reiew blockvsomeo f them | 09:15 |
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| fenn | i would be worried about alt-tabbing or whatever and typing in the wrong window | 09:19 |
| fenn | who knows what sort of commands might be emitted | 09:19 |
| fenn | i guess you just don't use your main computer for this | 09:19 |
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| fenn | "Is sleep typing dangerous? Yes . . . That's how I wound up married!" | 09:25 |
| kanzure | right, i was actually trying to find an android keylogger that would work with the screen turned off, but found nothing | 09:25 |
| kanzure | instead i had to use connectbot + ssh + vim, which was mostly resistant to most of my stray keypresses | 09:26 |
| fenn | you could use emacs and then it wouldn't respond to vim commands | 09:26 |
| kanzure | plus the keyboard can't transmit "escape" into vim, because "escape" is really "return to home screen".. but didn't seem to press that ever. | 09:26 |
| fenn | oh | 09:26 |
| kanzure | i'll just write a keylogger, no big deal. bleh. | 09:27 |
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| kanzure | interesting to note that originally android had huge security hole where anything typed was actually sent directly into a shell | 09:29 |
| kanzure | so this would have been an interesting way to stumble on that vulnerability | 09:29 |
| nmz787_i | aww, I had a dream that this was wireless: https://www.crowdsupply.com/ugl/ultimate-hacking-keyboard | 09:41 |
| nmz787_i | but I am not convinced now that I want it | 09:42 |
| nmz787_i | I had imagined how comfortable it might have been to type from a lazy-boy armchair | 09:42 |
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| fenn | "because people are impressed by big things, jazz music festival isn't this bad" | 09:57 |
| kanzure | what no way | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | welp, so it begins https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3qgpsc/censorship_at_bitcoindev/cwg22y6?context=1 | 10:12 |
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| kanzure | these sorts of accusations are impossible to reply to | 10:28 |
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| maaku | another pre-historic, extinct mind that will unfortunately probably be thawed : http://siberiantimes.com/science/others/news/n0464-meet-this-extinct-cave-lion-at-least-10000-years-old/ | 10:52 |
| archels | well shoot, we need to keep it frozen until we can upload its brain | 10:59 |
| archels | what's the point of thawing it, anyway? get your DNA from a sliver of skin cells if you must | 10:59 |
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| kanzure | "In the Kingdom of Great Britain, witchcraft ceased to be an act punishable by law with the Witchcraft Act of 1735. In Germany, sorcery remained punishable by law into the late 18th century." | 11:20 |
| kanzure | well that's one way to stop witch-hunts.... | 11:20 |
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| Aurelius_Work | http://www.amazon.com/Rii-I8-Wireless-Touchpad-Keyboard/dp/B00B9996LA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1446057375&sr=8-2&keywords=android+keyboard+mouse kanzure, ever used something like this on the go? | 11:42 |
| kanzure | Aurelius_Work: i use this http://www.amazon.com/ZAGG-FOLZKFLEXSLV-Zagg-ZAGGkeys-FLEX/dp/B00695OFE2 | 11:48 |
| Aurelius_Work | sweet, adding to my list | 11:48 |
| kanzure | battery lasts me like 2-3 months on a single charge | 11:50 |
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| Aurelius_Work | kanzure : ever poked at reversible computing? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | nope | 12:24 |
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| kanzure | beep | 13:31 |
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| fenn | womp wompity womp http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/us/cancer-immortality-cryogenics.html?_r=0 http://www.technologyreview.com/view/541311/the-false-science-of-cryonics/ | 13:35 |
| kanzure | natasha vita-more was trying to organize a voting/commenting brigade for that second link -_- | 13:38 |
| fenn | i guess i shouldn't be surprised that there are ignorant people but it's weird to see them writing articles in technology review saying things like "they deserve our anger and contempt" | 13:40 |
| kanzure | politicization is everywhere. really strange cancer. | 13:41 |
| kanzure | btcdrak: see? even happens here | 13:41 |
| * btcdrak is shocked | 13:41 | |
| kanzure | to be fair, technology review was never really good at technology reviews | 13:42 |
| fenn | i like technology review :( | 13:42 |
| maaku | Aurelius_Work: you working on reversible computing? | 13:45 |
| fenn | "the amount of evil we can do is bounded" that sounds like a challenge! | 13:46 |
| maaku | someone needs to be heading that up | 13:46 |
| kanzure | fenn: "information wants to be free" even works against attempts at encryption and privacy | 13:46 |
| kanzure | and security stuff | 13:46 |
| fenn | er, uh, i thought that was a statement of thermodynamics, not a political stance | 13:47 |
| kanzure | used in both ways | 13:47 |
| kanzure | conflation is a serious disease of human discourse | 13:47 |
| kanzure | it's terminal | 13:47 |
| kanzure | here's a robot https://i.imgur.com/HsD19vt.jpg | 13:47 |
| fenn | according to the new york times "scientists have successfully preserved the connectomes of mouse, rabbit, and pig brains" | 13:48 |
| kanzure | more on "information wants to be free" grep http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-bitcoin-selection-cryptography/ | 13:48 |
| kanzure | "preserved" | 13:48 |
| kanzure | plastination probably | 13:48 |
| kanzure | ken hayworth stuff, i'm sure | 13:48 |
| fenn | dunno what the hell they are talking about because human brains have been plastinated as well | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i thought ken hayworth's whole point was that the plastination fidelity was insufficient or something | 13:49 |
| kanzure | i have no idea what his point was | 13:49 |
| kanzure | i should know his point | 13:49 |
| fenn | his point is "electron microscopes!!!" | 13:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.brainpreservation.org/overview/ | 13:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.brainpreservation.org/content-2/overcoming-objections/ | 13:50 |
| kanzure | geeze can't believe he bothered to write this page, wtf | 13:50 |
| kanzure | this effort could have been better spent doing productive things like calibrating his electron microscopes | 13:51 |
| kanzure | wait he probably doesn't have any of his own. because, you know, everything costs twenty arms and twenty legs. | 13:52 |
| fenn | if we estimate the cost of a human arm and leg as a mass fraction of the EPA value per human life of $2.2 million ... | 13:53 |
| maaku | someday I aspire to own 1 human life | 13:54 |
| kanzure | yeah but you have to factor in for inflation | 13:54 |
| kanzure | so things aren't just an arm and a leg, they now cost many legs | 13:54 |
| fenn | arm is 6% and leg is 18% so i arrive at $11 million per electron microscope which doesn't sound too far off | 13:54 |
| kanzure | with inflation i think the electron microscope will soon cost that much anyway | 13:56 |
| kanzure | delinquentme claims to be assembling a few | 13:56 |
| kanzure | and nmz787 got a broken busted one recently? or was that something else. | 13:56 |
| fenn | well there is a huge range of quality and modern features n stuff | 13:56 |
| kanzure | yeah you really have to splurge for that 512 MB RAM in that windows ME computer attached to the junk | 13:57 |
| fenn | the one halcyon molecular was using was in the $20m range | 13:57 |
| kanzure | oh i was really estimating $1M/machine | 13:57 |
| kanzure | that sucks | 13:58 |
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| fenn | "I want to make a little widget for the top of the page that says IS KIM ALIVE? And it’ll say ‘yes,’ unless I’m dead. Then it will say ‘nope, sorry. I hope this isn’t how you found out.’" | 14:03 |
| fenn | do we have a microformat standard for this yet | 14:03 |
| kanzure | much of death depends on state of mind | 14:04 |
| kanzure | i might have to mark that when i'm sleeping | 14:04 |
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| fenn | sleep is just a state of mind, man | 14:09 |
| kanzure | you're just jealous | 14:13 |
| archels | kanzure: sleeping in a keyboard-prone position seems very uncomfortable to me | 14:16 |
| kanzure | lazy chair | 14:18 |
| fenn | huh that's natasha and max in the pic with kim's body in an ice bath being loaded into the cryo van | 14:20 |
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| fenn | i didn't realize they were still so hands-on | 14:21 |
| fenn | like, literally, wearing gloves and schleppin bodies | 14:21 |
| archels | fenn: url? | 14:24 |
| fenn | archels: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/us/cancer-immortality-cryogenics.html?_r=0 | 14:25 |
| Aurelius_Work | x-post from Lesswrong-- Any of our Seattle folks have a link to Madrona capital or EnvelopVR? | 14:26 |
| fenn | http://www.alcor.org/Library/pdfs/AlcorCaseReportA2643KimSuozzi.pdf | 14:26 |
| fenn | "09:43 Cephalic isolation" "09:51 Cephalon fell out of holding ring" -_- | 14:28 |
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| maaku | fenn: even well-funded Alcor is a shoestring operation | 15:51 |
| maaku | with only ~1k members it's easy to see why | 15:51 |
| kanzure | complex systems that don't work can rarely be made to work without starting from a simpler system that does work | 15:54 |
| kanzure | </nsh> | 15:54 |
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| nsh | recently someone said "designing from start with i18n adds about 20% to costs. retrofitting i18n adds about 100%" | 16:17 |
| nsh | slightly flippant but illustrative of the general observation | 16:17 |
| nsh | but there's a whole heap of caveats and nuance here | 16:18 |
| nsh | to do with pleiotropy and harnessed serendipity and the tao of unplanned planning | 16:18 |
| nsh | i have read good writings or at least one on this matter recently, but i can't remember enough to search for | 16:19 |
| nsh | i think the very rough upshot was that biological systems appear to have evolved to be favourable towards finding out that you accidentally planned to retrofit it that way all along | 16:20 |
| nsh | without intending to | 16:20 |
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| kanzure | huh? | 19:16 |
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| kanzure | there was also this part where three lobsters showed up and told me about this disney/nike sponsorship of an engineered ribosome and engineered polymerase | 20:02 |
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| nmz787 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LM-series_integrated_circuits | 20:34 |
| nmz787 | I should have read that years ago | 20:34 |
| nmz787 | .wik list of lm series integrated circuits | 20:35 |
| yoleaux | "The following is a list of LM-series integrated circuits. Many were among the first analog integrated circuits commercially produced; some were groundbreaking innovations, and many are still being used. The LM series originated with integrated circuits made by National Semiconductor." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LM-series_integrated_circuits | 20:35 |
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| kanzure | rfc 279483 says all computer MUST be replaced by potato | 21:25 |
| kanzure | no way to work around this | 21:25 |
| kanzure | would solve lots of problems | 21:25 |
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