2015-11-01.log

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kanzureprobably not04:20
kanzure"We know that eugenics efforts cannot produce any remarkable or decisive selection for increased cognitive abilities. We know this because eugenics is a sort of hobby-horse form of evolution, across handfuls of generations, and because evolution cannot, taken over thousands of generations, select any more strongly for increased cognitive abilities than it already has. If it could, it would; thus we must conclude that it can’t."04:27
kanzurelolwat? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1048503204:27
kanzureselective breeding and the amish https://infotomb.com/0q783.pdf04:31
kanzure"amish quotient" hehe04:31
kanzureperipheral nervous system stimulation for organ healing darpa reasons http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2014-08-2604:41
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kanzurerebellion status: not crushed05:24
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FourFirekanzure, yeah I don't need to elaborate on why that HN post is retarded.06:42
kanzurejust another strange intersection of wat on the internet06:42
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kanzure"ions Cite Save More09:41
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kanzurefahy's "The Future of Aging Pathways to Human Life Extension" http://www.sciencevsaging.org/sites/sciencevsaging/files/library/the-future-of-aging.pdf09:42
fenni've heard the exact same arguments made against "eugenics" (or whatever it is people think eugenics means) being applied against the idea of nootropics, "if it were possible to increase intelligence so easily, nature would have done so"09:43
fenni find this argument strange because it's demonstrably false09:43
fennlike, here are these people who actually perform better on intelligence tests, because {genetics, nootropics, whatever}09:44
fennbut for some reason that doesn't count as a counterargument09:44
kanzure"if it's possible to lift heavier things, then nature would have done so by now"09:46
kanzurealso, there remains a lot of fluff around "genetic potential" or in FourFire's case "cognitive potential"09:46
fenni have no idea what that means09:49
kanzure"genetic potential", like, "that possibility is not within range of the existing potential" or something09:49
kanzuresome sort of dualism of potentiality possessed by objects, i dunno man09:50
fenni'm pretty sure things just are what the are09:50
fennthey*09:50
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kanzure"potential" is often used as scapegoat in bodybuilding circles09:50
fennyea that's what i was thinking09:51
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fennit makes more sense if exercise is involved, but so far we have zero evidence that mental exercise might improve cognition09:51
kanzureso your potential is x, but then someone shows you how protein recombination works, so what the hell is your "potential" now?09:51
kanzureer, recombinant proteins*09:52
kanzurethey should probably just focus on talking about diminishing returns instead of potentials09:55
kanzure"The law of diminishing returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant ("ceteris paribus"), will at some point yield lower incremental per-unit returns.[5] ... Cost can also be measured in terms of opportunity cost. In this case the law also applies to societies – the opportunity cost of producing a single unit of a good generally increases as a society ...09:58
kanzure... attempts to produce more of that good. This explains the bowed-out shape of the production possibilities frontier."09:58
kanzuredidn't know this was an economics concept, but whatever, i'll take it09:58
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kanzurehuh, the nanosystems book has an entire chapter on epistemology14:02
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kanzurethync is spamming me now ("more than a million minutes of [promised result x] delivered!" gah14:36
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kanzuredisappointed by lack of follow-on work to "Searching the Internet for evidence of time travelers"14:59
kanzurehttps://thewinnower.s3.amazonaws.com/discussions/grain/26/what-happened-when-we-tried-to-publish-a-real-paper-investigating-time-travel.pdf15:00
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kanzure"On the money-wasted angle, when doing a Reddit interview about the manuscript, I respond to a question about how this research was funded with the fake answer that we used money left over from our study "Does Tax Payer Money Burn Any Better Than Regular Money?" (Nemiroff & Wilson 2014). In reality, this was an unfunded project."15:09
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fennthey just searched for "pope francis" and "comet ISON" - that's it? i would have rejected the paper too15:24
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kanzure"Fast, Exact, Linear Booleans" http://www.gilbertbernstein.com/resources/booleans2009.pdf16:04
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kanzurehttps://github.com/mkeeter/antimony16:09
kanzurehttps://github.com/mkeeter/kokopelli16:09
kanzuremkeeter says kokopelli is not kokompe16:09
kanzurecad google hangout chat was v. weird; "we're a journal club, we can't assign each other to read source code!"16:11
kanzuremax wat16:11
kanzurethey emailed out chat log, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/cad/cad-discuss-mit.edu.hangout.001.txt16:14
kanzurebut since it was video, i have no idea what was mentioned16:15
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kanzurei was surprised by the relucatance to read existing source code. i mean yes it sucks, but "let's make it parallel and do gpu things" was more prominent concern than basic stuff like source code quality, unit testing, good design and architecture.16:25
kanzureoops i mean "yes the existing source code often sucks"16:25
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kanzure.title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BC9daxWrL816:39
yoleauxDarth Vader & The Emperor in German (Pt. 5) - YouTube16:39
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kanzurehmm i guess i should check who this is http://www.meetup.com/Biohack-Austin/19:31
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justanotheruser>spiritual bodies19:36
kanzure:-/19:38
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abetuskfor some reason MIT alum doing CAD are in love with Lisp and it's descendants.  kanzure, you attended the hangout?  Anything interesting come out of it?21:56
maakuabetusk: you said MIT, so Lisp is to be expected22:05
abetuskseems like an anachronism at this point22:06
maakuabetusk: ... really?22:22
maakuwhat would you prefer?22:22
abetuskA modern language?22:25
maakumeaning?22:25
maakumost 'modern' languages are regressions in terms of expresivity, and I begrudgingly say that as a non-Lisper22:26
abetuskLisp is a language designed to be simple.  It's designed to be easy to implement, not necessarily to be good at expressing ideas22:27
abetusklook, I don't want to get into a language war, who cares22:27
maaku:shrug: just don't knock something 'cause it's old22:28
abetuskok, I'll be sure to give APL, Fortran, COBOL, Ada, ALGOL, Forth and Basic the reverence they deserve22:32
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