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| TMA | FourFire: I have experimented [inadverently] on myself. My headaches seem to be related to insufficient/poor energy intake. Intensive learning is very demanding. It exacerbates any mistakes in feeding. | 06:41 |
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| FourFire | Feeding? | 06:41 |
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| FourFire | TMA energy intake as in metabolic (blood sugar content), or blood flow to the brain, or what? | 06:43 |
| TMA | FourFire: I have not measured it rigorously to the level of blood sugar content. I have observed, that subsisting on certain types and quantities of foodstuffs has strong relation to next-day headache. | 06:47 |
| FourFire | Ok. | 06:47 |
| TMA | FourFire: as a concrete example: fish consumed in quantity just sufficient to feel sated but not full makes the next-day mental performance "feel" better; however the 'just sated' amount is not adequate for sustained mental effort -- I am burning the calories faster than I am acquiring them via eating to the just sated state. | 06:50 |
| FourFire | Ok, I tend to overeat, every time | 06:51 |
| FourFire | trying to become more vegetarian, by way of DIY soylent, not sure to what extent I can succeed. | 06:52 |
| TMA | FourFire: the second observation: mental effort is not reflected in raising apetite, while physical effort is. It is easier for me to get starved while thinking than while exerting myself physically. | 06:58 |
| FourFire | I have noticed the same. | 06:58 |
| FourFire | isn't there a disproprotionate amount of some energy carrier molecules utilized by the brain (glucose?) | 06:59 |
| TMA | FourFire: the composition is important too. fast carbohydrates (sugars, white bread, ...) do not tend to last long enough to sustain mental effort; while the brain's prefference for glucose would suggest otherwise | 07:00 |
| FourFire | so hunger signalling mechanims could depend on all levels of say fat metabolites, protein metabolites, and glucose metabolites going down, whereas mental extertion only exhausts one of them | 07:01 |
| FourFire | well peaks in blood sugar content just get turned into fat right? | 07:01 |
| FourFire | better to have regular, even hills of nourishment? | 07:01 |
| FourFire | soylent isi nteresting because I tend to just munch on it throughout the day while working | 07:02 |
| TMA | dried meat (jerky/biltong) is doing the trick for me (alas it tends to be on the pricey side) | 07:04 |
| TMA | the other component to headaches is insufficient water intake | 07:05 |
| TMA | similarly to hunger, thirst is not stimulated by mental effort as it is by physical effort. | 07:06 |
| streety | hunger is also going to be driven by stomach emptying | 07:07 |
| TMA | it indeed is. that's why constricting the stomach to split it into two parts is helpful in reducing the voracity of some of the morbidly obese | 07:08 |
| streety | your muscles and liver also convert glucose into glycogen | 07:08 |
| streety | part of the reason, there are some weird unexpected effects we still don't really understand | 07:09 |
| streety | perhaps we should be aligning the mental and physical loads and doing air squats and pushups during those breaks we take every 20 minutes without fail | 07:11 |
| FourFire | streety, we take breaks every 20 minutes without fail? | 07:13 |
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| streety | lol, I don't know anyone who does. | 07:13 |
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| streety | FourFire: what's the recipe you're using for the DIY soylent. I hadn't realized there was such a crazy array of options | 07:46 |
| FourFire | streety, it's this one, excpet i use mulkpowder and gelain (for consistency): http://www.cookingfor20.com/2013/11/16/all-natural-soylent-recipe/ | 07:47 |
| FourFire | coconut sugar was odd, and costs way too much | 07:47 |
| FourFire | next batch is going to be normal brown cane sugar | 07:48 |
| streety | I'll take a look | 07:48 |
| FourFire | about a year ago I made a cheap as possible subsituted version of that site's older soylent recipe, I didn't stick with it. this time I wanted to go as high end and see if it was more enjoyable, it is. | 07:49 |
| streety | just been browsing diy.soylent.com | 07:49 |
| FourFire | yeah, warning: recipe I linked is not chocolate milk, if you drink it thinking it is, you'll get a disgusting suprise | 07:49 |
| FourFire | it's food, not dessert. | 07:49 |
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| streety | I'm not sure when the last time I had chocolate milk was, I guess when I was a kid | 08:00 |
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| kanzure | words in http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2015-11-29.log | 18:43 |
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| kanzure | why did everyone die | 22:14 |
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| drethelin | it was fate | 22:23 |
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| fenn | probably thanksgiving | 23:24 |
| maaku | did I miss something? | 23:26 |
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